Zonda F the fastest car around Nordschleife
 

We would like to announce very honoured that our homologated version of the Pagani Zonda F (602hp) has achieved the RECORD OF NÜRBURGRING 2005. Although the bad weather conditions (it was rather cold), the cold asphalt and the late hour ( 08.00 pm) the homologated version of the Zonda F achieved the record.
We are very happy and very satisfacted, because the conditions of the circuit were not so favourable.
You can find the incredible time in the German magazine "Sport Auto".

http://www.vonbraun.se/index.taf?_fu...ureNoCache=787


No times but the rumour says 7.32,5 min but if its true CGT is still faster.

hmmm sounds intresting, maybe theyre saying the record just for 2005, but if its as fast as the CGT then its impressive

This is not really the fastest then because, the Donkervoort made something like 7:19 ... But impressive performance anyway :D I love this car !! and the sound it made .... :shock:

^ for a production car (25 units a year I think)
I would love to see the time/driver vs. the time/driver of the CGT

Even though, it's a fast lap for a non German car 8)

What was the M3 CSL time ??? :EDIT: I remember reading somewhere that an M3 CSL ( from AC Schnitzer I think ) did a faster lap than the Carrera GT. Maybe I was wrong :roll:




7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:18.1-- Donkervoort D8 RS (12/2004)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> Link
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001) >>> Link
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)

"We would like to announce very honoured that our homologated version of the Pagani Zonda F (602hp) has achieved the RECORD OF NÜRBURGRING 2005."

Sweet! I hope they can do even better with more favorable conditions. 8)

Since edo competotion posted a 7.15,9x about a week ago and these news were presented today, I'm going to be disappointed with anything slower than 7.15. Not that I can believe the improvement in time - 30s at this level is beyond substantial, its absolutely amazing. And to think they have an optional "Club Racing Kit" on top of this...

NO ferraris in that chart?

Thats not the only car conveniently left off the list ;)

You are of course refering to the lack of Audis :P

Doesn't ferrari only gives times to the press for 2 tracks?

and they don't (ferrari) need to prove anything on the track anyways, if you tell a Yuppie that a Z06 is faster on a track they will still buy the ferrari :P

track times are for real men, and real men don't wear pink shirts to meetings :P :lol:

Hey i wear pink shirts.. :P

Well, Ferrari mightn not go there to test their cars or pose a lap time, but how about some experienced ferrari driver?

i dont mean to burst the party... but to me 7:32.5 is pretty Damn impressive for a time around the nordschlife!!!!!!!!!!!

first, is got less power then the CGT... ok only slightly neglagably less power, but still less power.

second, aero is re-thought, and is quite more potent then previous Zonda's, which aids in somewhere around 15 turns... and people who know much often say that that cars are faster because of aided speed in the faster turns vs. speed in slower turns.


i STILL think the car is Ugly as sin, but i definately have some respect for it similarly to my respect to the Bugatti Veryon as an engineering FEAT.

also, i think its one of the best sounding engines in existance, even though its still a Mercedes :shock: :shock: 8)

602hp is the same as 604bhp. They have equal power. The Zonda however has considerably more torque, and is considerably lighter than the CGT.

And it's still slower :wink:

vs.

the Zonda may have less power then the CGT, but never forget that the Zonda is a torquey car! and btw.. the Zonda F can smoke the CGT any time any where from 0-60, quartermile and top speed!! and lets all not forget that Pagani is a company that came out of no where while Porsche is a much much much older company that used to make beetles with 24 hp and now they started to make cars based on the beetle!!

i think the Zonda F will be faster then the CGT, and i really want to know whats the time of the Enzo on that track.. oh and btw Koenigsegg were able to record a 7:39 mintues with there Koenigsegg CCR using racing settings..

lets just all hope best luck for every car..

^^^^^^
im glad i dont get my information from you, and take it as fact...

the Zonda F has 45 more BHP than the CGT, has 125 more lb.-ft. of torque then the CGT, has a larger displacement engine (for all the fan boys complaining about hp/liter of cars like the Z06) and has a carbon fiber monicoque chassis like the CGT, and the Zonda is over 300 lbs lighter... and should have the advantage

... however, its Porsche's experience that allows them to build a superior track car which is also used on the road quite compfortably.

the CCR's suspension is adjustable from the factory, however thier 800 hp car could only manage a 7:39; where they claimed they can set the production car record... but we have yet to see this. dont get me wrong, 7:39 is amazing, but Porsche is in a league of thier own at the NS.

Forget that i cocked up the Zonda F's hp figure. I'm confused. You originally said it had less power than the CGT?! :?: :?

unfortunately, i did say that... since i hadnt done the research to find the figures myself, i just trusted Just_me 's interpolation in the first post/thread topic.

since you likely had the same info i had; you said the same thing i originally did http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/443/spaz4gk.gif

and when you posted, i realized how goofy it sounded...so i looked them both up.

no offence really :mrgreen:

thank god i don't take my information from u!! the Zonda is 45 bhp more then the CGT?? so the CGT is only 557 bhp?? ha? the CGT has officaly 605 bhp which means its 3 bhp more then the Zonda F ( the zonda f has 602 bhp and 650 for the club edition )

please.. don't talk about porsche as they are god of cars, ferdenand porsche first made the beetle then wanted to make a sport car out of it how brilliant!!

notice one thing.. the Hp\liter of the Zonda is 82.4 while the CGTs hp\liter is 106 which means the CGTs engine is much more compressed then the Zonda and if the Zonda's 7.3 engine was compressed like the CGTs engine it will reach 773 bhp.. and yes the Zonda is lighter its very light Pagani done a great job, a company that came out of no where no expereience first car to build and on top of that they done somthing very proper.. its even a mile better then the Murcielago while Lambo spent years and years making those famous bulls..

EVO drove CGT vs Zonda F and they prefered the CGT.

Is Pagani actually distinguishing between the Zonda F and the F Clubsport? I had heard it was simply an options package. If so is it possible this is a Clubsport?

the club sport edition has few changed things on the normal edition, like it has a full Titanium exhaust and some other simple stuff, which makes the car 650 bhp..

Evo magazine drove both cars, they did prefer the CGT but they couldn't deni that the Zonda is one hell of a car, they said who ever sees the cars parked he just looks at the porsche, then keeps staring at the Zonda.. the thing is Porsche isn't just a company that makes fast cars.. its much more then that so you can't just rubbish there car " and its totaly not rubbish " many ppl prefer the CGT on the Zonda F and i do know why.. but what am saying is, wait for more few years and lets see where do Pagani reach.. and how will they compete with other supercars..

lets not forget that the Zonda has the best sound between all supercars.. if not best then 2nd couse the SLR has a one hell of a sound too..

I happen to think the CGT is the best sounding of the lot...

Pagani´s numbers are impressive. Zonda´s chassis and arquitecture is at least 4 or 5 years older than CGT, that´s a lot in supercars (look at F1)

What does torque got to do in a racetrack?

Give Pagani the 1/4 of Porsche´s budget for developing a supercar and you´ll have to give those germans a set of diapers...

hp/liter is about as gay as a volvo designed by women :lol: :roll:

the real question in my mind is was the Zonda F, or the Zonda F Clubsport that was timed on the Nordschlife??

and styling is a moot point as it comes to personal preferance. also... is it that impressive engine wise since its built/tuned by AMG??? even Koenigsegg has costom fabrication for thier ford racing sourced engine.

like styling, sound is a moot point, but i will give it to you that it does sound good in F-tune, whereas before, i didnt like the sound of the v12...

Hmm so ur not accepting the fact of Hp\liter.. the fact that the CGTs engine is much more compressed then the Zonda ha? its a strong point that u can't deni..

ok pagani "as i said before!!" isn't as big as prosche or ferrari, and building an engine from 0 is somthing not easy (though pagani had some profesional engineers from Lambo).. and who said they don't have there own stuff? the exhaust isn't a Merc exhaust, not even the ECU, nor the air intake or the wiring!!

u didn't like the sound of the V12? all paganis have V12 engine none come with a an inline 4 cylinder enigne.. beside the F sounds good couse the company whom made the exhaust "MHG" is a company that makes F1 exhaust systems..

as i said; HP/Liter is a gay indicator of engine potential; if one wants to compare engines of similar power... it should be comparing weight, dimensions, rotational mass, durability/reliability, consumption/efficiancy.

eventually, i would hope that people stop with the whole hp/liter argument as it doesnt actually mean anything... its the engine as a whole that produces power... not just a section of it. its the other indicators that are important for design purposes... less angular momentum, less drivetrain loss, more reliability, better comfort in the cabin... better handling, more accelleration/stopping.
the engine is built by AMG, which means several things, including its going to be reliable... and its going to be German (not that its a bad thing :) )

i said i like the Zonda F's exahust sound... but not as much as the CGT it imitates, and the Enzo's mad scream. any exhaust can be specifically tuned as its just a measure of pipe lenght/width. simple sound physics. i dont think i mentioned anything about a 4 cylinder engine?

i have tremendous respect for Pagani... and i would be lying if i said i wouldnt be excited to see it in person. its very fast; and there are no doubts about that. but... its not as good of a car compared with the porsche, but it is good.

If u see there is no use from Hp\liter then don’t include every one Hp\liter is a very important indicator (not 2 u at least) which tells how compressed the engine is! I guess that’s enough to say.. I do agree there are many other things u gotta keep in ur mind but hp\liter is something important.. I dunno why Ferrari put a limit for there racing cars if u if u check u will find that all engine have nearly the same compression rate(Enzo=108 hp, F430=111, 360M=109 etc..)

And just to apply the Hp\liter indicator on the things u mentioned, if the Hp\liter was normal that means the reliability of the engine will be most likely good! If it wasn’t that much (80s) that means the engine will be very smooth while performing... of course I don’t mean always but most likely..

U said: (is it that impressive engine wise since its built/tuned by AMG??? even Koenigsegg has costom fabrication for thier ford racing sourced engine.)

And I think its obvious that u meant pagani get the engine on a golden pl8 and throw it in the car as simple as that, and Koenigsegg has there own costum fabrications for there engine, well I wanted to tell u Pagani have there own stuff too! Only the block is built by AMG and Merc used the block in 2 cars only the SL73 (which wasn’t a hit as Merc expected and the CLK-GTR) and Pagani have there own stuff..

well I can’t say much here what ur talking about is a personally opinion which I can’t change or can’t blame.. its about the exhaust length or width but trust me an exhaust is similar to a painting, u can tell and see a lot in, just like the exhaust the Zonda C12 sounds like an old Russian riffle and I guess its all because of the mount of torque the engine spits!!

Btw its nice talking to u.. keep it up :wink: