C5 Z06 will walk a 360CS in a roll on...
 

... doubt this fact?

A video is worth a thouand excuses.. :P

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=u...gz06&width=800

Finally RC45 has got proof of his point. A Z06 really can beat a CS in a straight line :D. congrats RC45 :D

Don't cry when you see the on-track proof.. ;)

i will need to see that to belive it :roll:

:shock: that sound is to die for.

nice to see the z06 easily murder that prancing horse in acceleration... the CS even got the jump.

is the Z06 C6 for sale already? I cant wait to see this baby on the track..

No - the C6 Z06 isn't on sale yet - the first deliveries are rumoured to be around October. But who knows - there is so much PR crap surrounding this launch it is very irritating... hehe.

is it stock ? :roll:

That Ferrari got owned like it was bought from the store. :D

Sorry but I were did you get the idea that its a CS?


Edit- my bad I saw the stripe.


Oh well :roll:

Who gives a shit? Was like 2 cars length between, make it 3, translate that into time and its .1 of a sec, :roll:

Both cars have after market exhausts. And for the record, I posted the video here just to stir things up... ;) -- Feel free to post a video of a Ferrari whooping up on a Z06 anytime you want (if you can find one ;) heheh :P)

You know I still care hehehe :P

Sod getting a 993, RC, wanna sell? :lol:

I keep telling people - this car is like Gixxer of super performance cars.

Costs nothing & goes like stink.. :)

Sure theres a lot to be said for being able to pull up ina Porsche or Ferrari or Lambo - but not many of us will get the chance to own the top of the line form those marques, so you end up settling for a 348 or a 993 etc... and although they can talk the talk (or strike the pose) - those cars just cannot walk the walk in this day and age... so you sit on the sidelines or just bring up the rear of the group on a cruise.

Or - you just say "Fuck it - Betty Sue I's agonna sell the doublewide and buys me a Z06!! :P" hehe

I have to admit, it's a nice feeling knowing that the only cars you could come across that can seriously whoop your arse are those costing so much you seldom see them and when you do they are on their way to the opera.. ;) --- or modded version of your own kind :)

Of course if you have the cash you get all three - but as I say - for every chief there 1000,000 of us indians.

Sorry Ferrari drivers dont find the need to make a video about beating a Chevy....

Its the Vette drivers that make movies about "I SMOKED A FERRARI"

Quite flattering, you take so much pride in beating a Ferrari you make movies about it lol :lol: :lol:


:wink:

Au contraire mon ami - they video tape themselvs al the time - you just never see the "loser reels" ;)

Prove it :wink:

Ahhahahaha, that Vette sounds badass, a lot better than stock. And who would put an aftermarket exhaust on a CS?! I've heard those at the track and they are freakin loud with the stock exhaust! :P

I've got an article here in this months Muscle Mustang Fast Ford about street racing in your very own Houston and there seems to be alot of VERY impressive cars stomping your streets and not too many imports (anything non-us) that can match them.

Ferrari must STOP F1 gears :oops:

and why is that? if the system works fine, and people want it, why stop it? is it unfair to the others lol :lol: anywayz im wondering how a (c6) z06 would do against a 430...

ok that vette isnt even stock u can tell

99% of the population would still take that Ferrari, as would I.

Why? Because Ferrari is a legend, which the Vette will never be...

Bwaaahahahahaahhaahaha :lol: Keep on trying :roll: :sleeping:

lol ok

what exactly constitutes a legend? its only been around for 50+ years and has a very strong following among american car enthusiasts. its one of the most recognized names in american performance/racing. its a legend in my book.

Bring on the twisties :lol:

The Ferrari brand name is recognised the world over.

It has a strong image, a real racing heritage.

The Vette has none of this (people in Europe and Asia absolutely do not give a poop about the car), exactly the reason why the only place it is seen as a legend, is in the states, where cars were bought for their straight line performance. Pushrod engines can only do so much until you realise that there's more to the car then that.

Granted, the new Z06 is (on paper) a really good car. I will not argue against this, and it may very well beat hundreds of other supercars out there, but there is a very good reason why names such as Ferrari have been engrained in the minds of man. The very reason why a Ferrari will always cost more, will always fetch more, and will always be more sought after then the mass produced Vette's.

Ferrari's may not even be the fastest cars in the world, but this doesn't matter much, because the 'supposedly' fastest street legal car in the world (Koenigsegg) is in exactly the same rut as the Vette. It is not revered after in the same way as a Ferrari is. For most people I know, the Egg is just another car, whilst the F cars are not called cars at all, they just go by the brand name of Ferrari.

Just my two cents, take it with a grain of salt :)

Who cares really, the Ferrari still looks better, sounds better and is probably faster around a track. :D

Oh and its just "CS", not a 360CS from what Ferrari have published. :wink:

you refer to ferrari as if its some kind of automotive god that no other brand can even think to compare to. the vette is much more than a straight line performer and most people are aware of this. its a sports car not just a 1/4 mile dragster and the "old tech" pushrod seems to get the job done so i dont see the problem with it.

so because it costs more that means it must be better? i didnt say the vette was more desireable to anybody than a ferrari, what someone likes is just a matter of taste. but to say that ferrari is legend and the vette wont ever be is a pretty bold statement just because a ferrari cost more and uses DOHC instead of "ancient" pushrods.

yea right the "egg" is just another car. might as well be a kia, or a vette, or some other car that isnt a ferrari right? im sure if one pulled up in your driveway you would be drooling all over it just like most everyone else would. :wink:

but thats fine of you dont like it, i dont really care if you would want one or not. thats a matter of someones taste and im not here to change your taste in cars. but dont disrespect the vette and act like it cant be compared to the likes of an F car just because its another piece of american garbage.

sorry :oops: i didnt mean for my post to sound so angry or anything i guess i need to include more :P and :) and :lol:'s. but i just thought his post sounded like it was downing on the vette because its not F car material and i got a little fired up. :P

The 'vette isn't F-Car material, and that's a fact. The Corvette is a Poor man's Ferrari. It may well be fast and powerful, but that doesn't give it "class".

Why does anyone have to label something a poor man's version of something? Vette is a Vette, 360/430 is a 360/430. I am sure a Vette owner will be as satisfied as a Ferrari owner with his car. It's all about personal preference, taste and turn ons (brand name, sound of engine, performance, value, shape, handling ....etc). Alot of Z06 owners can easily afford a 360/430, and they still buy a Vette, there's gotta be a reason for that rite? So please stop arguing on a topic that we all know will not have a final answer.

Well this is just the nature of the whole thing...

You consider races to be "international" when they are held in Europe, so Ferrari have prestige in Europe. Vette's proved themselves both in Europe and in the States. LeMans anyone?

I may be wrong, but apart from F1, does Ferrari even race in the States?

Imagine if you had a blind fold on, and you didn't know who YOU were. Then two cars were described to you. The major difference's you heard were materials used, and a major price difference. Now, not knowing if you're European or American, who do you choose?

It's hard for people to be objective about this, because Ferrari is much more legendary in Europe, whereas the Vette is more unknown. And when attention is brought to it, it is always something along the lines of Clarkson's simplistic reasoning "oh, its american, that means it's crap, THE END"

You can't dismiss the Vette as a car, nor can you dismiss Ferrari. Is the best reason to buy a car really "oh the manufacturer won some racing titles"

News flash...that's not really going to have any bearing on the car YOU get, unless you like to pose around

Me gusta Z06 & CS :mrgreen: I would buy Z06 if I would have the money and if here was service stations to fix it. Sadly here are no :( For that amount of money killing buy IMHO. In US even cheaper.
CS is a different car in many ways. Love it too :P

Well my intention wasn't to diss Ferrari, just to point out that the Vette isn't totally useless at racing, like everyone here seems to think

Sure if it's down to personal preference, whatever. But to discount the Vette because of a naff gearbox...you could buy the vette, change the gearbox, and still have enough left over to make it serious competition for any sports car out there

Well it should be a double-edged sword. Higher price doesn't make a car superior, nor does lower price make a car inferior. It just means you'll pay less when it breaks....ever seen a Ferrari service bill?

Yeah i half agree...but if the money's just not there, or you have a family to support, why go on dreaming and weeping while reading victorian poetry, when you can go buy a Vette, and have just as much/more fun as you would in a Ferrari

Yes of course it is...but buying a Vette is typically more than a financial decision...there are more pragmatic cars in that sector of the market

Well certainly Ferrari are famous all over the world, but people who give a hoot about cars and can distinguish a Ferrari from a Lambo know what a Vette is...Vette's still turn heads in Europe, just like Ferrari's. Can't speak for Norway, never been there, but in the non-viking parts of Europe :P

[quote="brembo"]this discussion are proof of it too, we talk about the vette wich is one model from a comapny, while when talking about Ferrari we talk about the brand as one....theres a big difference there too..... [quote="brembo"]xactly, a brand that specialized in other vehicles made a sports that is the longest running sports car ever. What was that about heritage? There's something appealing about a sports car that came from someplace no one though it would, and is matching F-cars for performance

I can't see how price wouldn't be important...i'm sure if you had unlimited funds you would be driving a different car...

Just so you know, if i had unlimited funds I'd buy a Ferrari as well...but once again if the money wasn't there why sit around thinking about it, when you can emulate it with a much cheaper version

The crux of it: People don't buy Ferrari's for fit and finish, and fit and finish sure as hell isn't what they're selling over at Maranello. You may not like the vette gearbox...but some people don't like Ferrari's gearbox. I really don't see this argument going anywhere, so if you're willing to lay it to rest, so am i 8)

It's my intention! How many times have Ferrari cheated or used their clout to get an advantage in international racing? Many many many times.

Also, Corvettes have been in international racing for a lot longer than the last few years. They have been at it since the 60's, with good results.

I'm not gonna argue which is better between the Ferrari and Z06, buy what you want with your money. But I do find it entertaining, and somewhat annoying, that people dismiss the Z06 as just another pile of American crap. Anyone who claims to be an enthusiast, yet thinks the Z06 is garbage, is a fool. If you consider yourself a real performace enthusiast, you should give the Z06 the credit it deserves.

I wasn't specifically talking about you. Sorry for the confusion. But it's been said over and over again on this very site, Z06 = trash and that was said for no reason other than it being American.

That's a reasonable opinion

Well I didn't say it was less desirable because it was more expensive, just less accessable.

Sorry I'm sorta new...what car do you have? I searched in the What do you Drive or Ride? forum but didn't find it :oops:

Of course dreams are important, but sometimes it's better to live, not to dream. I was joking about the weeping and poetry btw :P

Well the idea of "sports car" changes every so often. I'm sure 30 years from now people will look at the F430 and be surprised it was considered one of the finest sports cars of its' day

Well not a deciding factor, but still a pretty important part of the decision.

I'm not denying myself a dream, but owning a Vette is part of that massive garage dream. The C5 Z06, because pop-up headlights rock :D Kinda silly I know, but i guess that "wow that's awesome" feeling you get as a kid doesn't really go away, even when the technology is outdated. I also used to love the yellow headlights they put in French cars :lol:

You had to quote that and argue about it didn't you? :P :wink:

is it so repuslive to think that some people prefer a Z06 to a Ferrari???
no, but it still is questionable :roll:
being this grande worldwide forum, so many people are quick to take the quick count on cars that some of us have grown up around, and dreamed about owning for years (real dreams vs. extreame dream) i myself am a huge Ferrari lover...

i go ga ga over these cars, something totally different then a 'vette... due to its exotic looks, unatainable, and almost untouchable way we protray them in our minds. where the car came from, what the company did to get to where its at, its so extreme that its easy to get cought up in the mistique surrounding it. Ferrari hits a 10 on that rictor scale, where a Z may come to a 2, but a 10 when driving it ;) :lol:

far be it from just the 'vette to suffer from such lack of approval from our cross-pond, but it seems that so many auto mfr.'s motorsport heritage... and the heritage besiged upon them by the enthusiasts that improve upon them, and i guarentee, nobody does it more then American enthusiasts :wink:

But many of the older American muscle cars are not exactly known for their handling. Mind you, the Vette is the better of the bunch, and the Z06 supposedly has very, very good handling. So of course things are improving.

But America is the dragster country of the world, and this image is still being pushed to many of their sportier cars being sold today.
No, what I meant was that Ferrari will always be able to ask a premium for their cars, and that their cars will always be able to fetch more money second hand, because it's a Ferrari. The brand name has a lot to do with it.

Of course, you have a lot of Ferrari's which go off quite cheap these days, and many of the older models are nothing to should home about. But it's still a brand well known around the whole world, revered by 'some' as a godlike brand (do note, I didn't say that I consider it a godlike brand. I don't consider cars godlike, although I do love them to bits ;) )
Well, to tell you the truth, I've seen the Egg several times. Both at the Geneva car show, and being driven in the city of Geneva (and according to my contacts, the person who owns it, is someone I knew a few years back. I just haven't seen him since).

But do I spooge over when I see the car? Ummm, no. I don't care much for the Egg at all. Very powerful, very fast, the exterior doesn't look that bad, the doors open up in a cool way, but the interior is not to my taste, and I'm not all that interested in a car which shares an engine all too similar to that found in a Ford (the name Ford, doesn't exactly echo a magical spell in my mind, either. But once again, I'm not saying they make bad cars, the GT for example is supposedly very good, but the name Ford, just doesn't do it for me).

To tell you the truth, having looked at the engine bay of the Egg, I couldn't see anything that really looked all the great. A Zonda with the 7.3 liter AMG engine, or a 430 with a Ferrari engine, or yet a Murcielago or Gallardo with their engine, all look so much more... how to say... finished. Special. Better looking. And here I'm only talking about rear/mid engine cars (I for example absolutely love the look of the SLR engine, especially after I received a 30 minute demonstration of it close up. It just looks so well made, so utterly fit and finished).
whooooa, just hold on a second there will you ;)

I never said I didn't like the Vette. The new Z06 tickles my fancy and I'd love to take one out for a spin. And I didn't say American cars were garbage. There's some very cool cars made by American companies! What I 'DID' say in my previous posts, was that the Vette 'marque' was not a legend in the way that Ferrari was, and still is.

That's a small difference (or big one for some), but the world over, it is the Ferrari brand which is well known and revered, even if the cars are not the most expensive, most fast, most reliable ones ever.

But who knows, times change, maybe one day it will be the other way around *shrug*

Spooge? :P

Dude it's not like they yanked the engine out of a pickup truck in some back alley :wink:
It's a Ford racing block, made in Italy, and then severely breathed on by Koenigsegg

wwwhere is my popcorn!?!? http://arman.xz.cz/smilees/sm286.gif

LOL, 90% has never seen the Z06 IRL, nor saw the Corvette inside. I wonder what everybodies opinion would be if they drove one back-to-back with other cars.

Corvette is not my thing, but most of the arguments posted here against it are BS.

lal, you don't know what spooge means :lol:

Let's just say that it has something to do with men having a bit too good of a time "down there" ;)

This topic has got too quiet :P

Now why you go and post such a common sense message :P

Driving a 996 Porker and Z06 back to back, the only thing I noticed was how much harder the Porker had to work to give you same kick in the pants feel - and besides the fact that once you are rolling, you barley notice any interior apart from the rev counter anyway :)

Change the gearbox? Why would you have to change the gear box? The T56 is OEM on the Viper among other cars - pretty robust, apart from the odd shift fork and synchro issue, but don't even try come say every other hipo car has a 1000% bullet proff gearbox track record :)

I've been wanting to say this and now I will Why the hell is everyone so hung up on the interior if I had a Z06 it wouldn't be for the interior because when I was driving a Z06 it would be for the driving not the looking at the center console and rubbing my hand on the dashboard all that would concern me is the shifter, wheel, pedals gauge cluster and outside all of which are nice on the car but I'm not going to be going 140mph and looking at my interior going damn I wish I payed out that extra $150,000 for that Ferrari so that I didn't have to look at this interior. And personally the American V8 popping the Rev limiter at about 7k sounds better than a Ferrari's at 8k especially with longtubes and straight pipes :wink:

And the T56 is one hell of a tranny used in many cars like the RC45 said the Viper and Corvette but also the Mustang Cobra has it among other highpo american and I'm sure some foreign apps aswell.