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New Manaro/GTO sucks! (story)
Went with my brother today to the dealership. He’s into muscle cars and me
rally type cars. So we went to the dealership today to have a look since he wants a new car later this year. Got to say, God were we unimpressed and my brother loves the Manaro. I couldn’t believe it, how crappy the build quality was. This was after we went to the Subaru dealership and I recommend the Liberty(legacy) 3.0-R B Spec and GT. He doesn't get excited by Subarus, fair enough since he likes muscle cars. After being molested by Holden car salesman, only left us alone when I said we wanted to turn it into a track car so he can have a chance to beat my stock WRX. lol Immediate faults we saw, in the show room! -Roof way too low, we aren’t that that tall but we only had 2’’ of headspace, anyone over 6 feet can’t fit into the car. -Door rail/roof, way to close to your head, it was 1’’ away from my head, a sharp turn and you’ll get a nasty smack to the head. -Boot, to meet American safety requirements the put the fuel tank in the boot! Less than 50cm depth. And the fuel tank has some REALLY cheap covering that was coming off, it looked like a really badly built 12’’ sub box was put in there, not flat, just a cheap stick on covering in a weird shape?! The Liberty wagon space is like a flat bed ute of space in comparison + a luxary cabin! -Speaker wiring in the boot, because of the weird shape tank you can see exposed cable. -Boot hinge, come off, so that the boot closes off axis and squeaks. -Accelerator pedal, it swivels up and down, so when you tap the gas a little at the bottom or top of the pedal all you do is move the pedal. -Intierior quality, the seats are ok but compared the Subaru Liberty premium, like comparing the Holden to a new BMW or Benz! Now we didn’t even turn on the car and drive it yet, I shudder to think what is badly designed mechanically! At least with the Liberty 3.0R or GT premium, all up $60K, you can see where the money went, you know you will not be disappointed in any aspect and like my rexy, it will keep surprising you because of how well its built and clever design. Small things but for total cost around $70,000 all up for the Manaro, geeeze I so apprecite my car that much more after this experience! Proud owner of a Subaru MY03 WRX wagon! |
First of all its spelt 'Monaro' and not 'Manaro'......and as far as I know they cost about $60K not $70K :?
I guess the obvious thing to do is not buy one if you and your brother were not impressed - get a Ford :P |
Monaro is a great car with great looks and if you look at the number of them on the road their must be somthing good about them 8)
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If he is prepared to spend $70k on a Monaro - maybe he would consider a late M3, a late S4, or even the Ford Typhoon? Also, i know how you feel about the pedal feel. I have a VZ calais, and the pedal is mounted into a bolt in the center of the pedal and unless your foot is pressing in the very center the only thing that moves is the plastic. That means no go. I always thought i was the only one to notice - glad you pointed that one out. :) |
If I had $70K to spend I would be looking at an STi, Evo VIII or a 350Z - among either new or nearly new cars :D
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@sads-Plenty of Kia, Proton, Hyundai on the roads too and Britney Spears is popular too.... As styla21 said its really a two door commadore that expensive.
@dingo-$70 all up b/c, $61K base price + $5K on-roads, insurance, some options, and holden have some stupid paint protection and rustproofing as a option that $2k, its fken stupid. A car should have clear coat and rust proofing from factory not some rip off AFTER you agreed to buy the car, another reason why I turn against Holden, its soo scummy like their salesman, so damn cheap. The F-6 Typhoon last I heard had its production halted, yeah the clutch. Appraently Ford are going to Germany to the same company that do the transmission for Jag and Astin Martin to get it right. Ford simply never, appart from the GT-40 i think they're junk. @styla21, yeah the peddal i though that was such a stupid idea to the point of being dangerous. How the F*** you suppose to heel-toe with a flimsy plastic pedals?! "Holden-wise" enginnering right there. Yeah Dingo, 350Z might be the next car we look at close up, personally i like the from what I've seen of it. Yeah i suggested a second hand M3, he isn't into EVO's or STi's :( |
well, i have sat in a Monaro/GTO.... not driven it
but, i'm 6' 2" and i have plenty of headroom. pedals in it felt fairly firm, and the rest i cant argue :P with |
HA!!.......u see my point...remember that long argument we had a while ago...POS holden!!!
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Cars are pretty expensive in Australia, aren't they? 70 K AUS means some 50 K US dollars, and with that money in america I think one can buy better cars
Is there any australian site similar to edmunds.com that shows prices of cars there? seems like my host family in adelaide will have a civic at best... oh boy, and I thought that I had the chance to see a V8 in the garage of my australian family :( |
lol i love my japanese cars.. my 1991 model nissan 180sx has better interior and better engine and driving and techonology and everythign else u can throw at it then the damn titanics(monaro) !!!!!
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I'm not saying the GTO is a completely aweful car, it isn't (I like teh 03-04 models) but for what their asking is too much. To be fair however, their asking $40K all up for a Toyota camery, so an extra $20K for something that isn't the worlds most boring car IMO its getting reasonable from that point of view. Still the RX8 is $4K less, 350Z $5K more, STi $4K less. To be honest, I'm coming from the view that I said $30K for my 1 year old WRX, so everything seems that much more expensive. However thats not the point, its what gets you excited isn't it? and what makes you happy. My brother is still set on the Monaro, probally an 03-04, he said simply that the Liberty is the smart choice by far but it doesn't excite him :lol: Quote:
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I do agree with you guys that the Monaro is to pricey for what your getting like most Aus cars but in reality like alot of coupes out there they always have and always will cost more then cars in the regular line up.
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mmmm...Being a Ford man i agree with you, but having been in one, i actually think its pretty good. Yes the build quality is poor, and yes it has afew faults, but what car doesn't?
I love my V8's and all, but i wouldn't go passed a Xr6 Turbo, goes good, looks good (imo!!) and is well equiped and priced well. If his budget streches a little further go the new STI Wrexx, unbelivable car for the dosh... :P , better then anything built in Australia for that price....look its all a matter of interest at the end of the day... Ohh and don't bagg the Typhoon it has been fixed... :oops: ...and im glad to state its Australias best sports/family car... 8) according to some stooge that writes for some magazine... :lol: |
@sads, your right every coupe is more expensive vs its four door counterpart.
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I hated the Au Fords looks but the new Ford does look good, kinda BMW front light with a GTR type hood/paneling IMO. But mechcanically I stand by comment (though I should be less harsh). I saw an ad for the Typhoon lately, yeah appreantly they have a AP racing clutch now. Motor magazine tested the FPV Typhoon vs the XR6 turbo, both the 1/4mile and 0-100 the FPV was only 0.1sec ahead :? Stock WRX now is $40 base, seriuosly thats more performance than most people can handle really, they just mod for striaght line speed and wank factor. |
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Every guy has the above in Sydney, the typical WankRX I call it,for wankers who can't fken drive and use it to circle shopping malls. Tell you why not. -Black, swirl marks, it is THE most annoying paint, no matter how hard you take care of it, it still mark VERY easily. It will always look dirty except of your one of those wankers that always cleans his car rather than learning how to drive it! Its also the most expensive WRX too just because its black, also everyone who buys their first car wants a black one so there's a good chance it be thrashed too by a n00b. It will be in a constant state of decay, don't belive me, go to a second hand car dealship and look at any black car close up even one 1 year old if not taken car of, will look beat up. Also a black WRX is a super strong Pig-magnet and dickhead magnet, be prepared for trouble and not the fun kind either. -Lowring, its more wank really, on a day to day basis you'll forget about it and smash off your nose or smash off your tail pipe reverse parking over a gutter, have $3K in the bank just in case. -Rims, the stock rims look awesome and are rumored to be partically design with Rays enginnering, therefore they're light weight and better handling/cornering speed than most AFM rims. -red paint calipers, your choice but be warned that "tire polish" will fade the colur quickly, mine are supposed to be black but are in light grey! Fine by me it match the paint! -Exhaust more wank- extra ~3KW ATW and loss of some torque, $3K for a fart cannon, a 3'' cat back exhaust will also hang underneath the car, so a speed bump taken at speed and you'll smash it. I can understand the "boxer rumble", if your going that way look long and hard first. A fart cannon will attract cops and D***heads and hang down, so you'll get defected. Just look long and hard, but be aware that everything has some drawbacks. Id still go for a bugeye but one unmodified of course and any colour except black! I love silver because it always looks clean even when flithy (ie its lazy), it reflects heat, doesn't attract attention, scrates dont show up as bad as any other colour and persoanlly I think it looks classy. Mods you should do, take off the "WRX" badge, people will hassle you less. Also the stero is cheap, go for Clarion head unit and speaker swap. |
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The info on the paint itself is news to me, but good to know and I will keep it in mind :wink: I would say the majority of WRX's are lowered without problems, and I wouldn't go over the top - just a little to enhance the looks :D What exactly do you mean about the 'tire polish' for the calipers? If I get them painted whats the problem? :? From what I have read most exhaust systems will gain you more than 3kW (ATW), but in any case I wouldn't want a 'fart cannon' - just something that sounds deep and mean :wink: Thanks for your opinions though, could be helpful down the track :wink: |
BUT how debatable is it ?
seriously. the way my car rides and handles compared to a monaro so different.. and teh price tag they carry.. and teh technology they have ??? seriously Holden and ford are still using SOHC rather then DOHC .....ok teh seats are leather in a monaro.. but they arnt comfortable... Only new car i like that aussie as put on the market is the xr6 turbo the seats are very very comfortable everything is easy to accesss and use in the car... but still... its a whale on the road .. and thre is many other factors to that favor the jap cars.. thats why there is alot of jap performance cars in australia ..... Pok |
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