What is the Nurburgring record for Enzo?
 

Hey dudes :)
Recently read that Porsche Carrera GT has set a new production car record in Nurburgring, at 7min 32.44sec Does anyone know Enzo's time?

I really doubt that the Carrera could beat Enzo :?



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Re: Nurburgring record for Enzo
 

Why?

Ferrari wont let the enzo be officially timed around any circuit except fiorano

the enzo did go to the nordschielefe but it got DNF cuz of engine problems ;)

"engine problems" or a slower lap time ;)

I dont think it takes a genius to figure out that CGT will lap there faster. It was build for around that track :wink:

When AMS tested the SLR, Enzo, CGT, Murcielago, AM GT, etc. around Nardo, they also reported road course times around a track that was nearby. As I remember it, the CGT came out ahead, by approx. 1s over the Enzo. I believe the Murcielago came in 3rd, only 0.5-1s slower than the Enzo. The CGT smoked the cars in braking from high speeds as well.

Steve Sutcliffe at Autocar has also stated that the CGT would be faster around a road course. The Enzo fast in a straight line though...

pffffffft straight line speed isn't needed.

I think Enzo's the current slalom record holder of production cars add that to its superior straight line performance => So strange that it was beaten by the CGT (Well maybe the CGT was tuned on the 'Ring but, how about Nardo?)

I've read a few times, that the Carrera GT is just a bit faster on track.
Better downforce.

even better braking then the SLR?

far better.

I'll try to dig up the mag.

Lambo Murcielago: 212 m(from 250km/hr to standstill)
Ferrari Enzo: 215 m
Porsche Carrera GT: 191 m
Mercedes SLR McLaren: 221 m

Friggin amazin' :shock:

that is a big difference! the CGT would be lighter too which would also work towards its advantage

im sure considering that porsche have their own test track that more of their testing would have been done there :P

^they do^ just like ferrari ;)

Blech even if the CGT is a hair fater than the Enzo I'm sure the Enzo on steroids aka MC12 can smoke the CGT to bring back the victory.

nardo is a high speed huuuuuge oval... not a normal track

The Carrera GT was pretty awesome in that test, but how the hell does a Murcielago outbrake an Enzo from high speed?

Yeah, right Nardo's an oval, so straight line performance should've made Enzo the winner of that test :?:

Yeah, right Nardo's an oval, so straight line performance should've made Enzo the winner of that test :?:

i personally think that on tracks like the autocar show test (the show that did the nardo test) and tracks like on top gear like tight lil stupid courses the cgt might win, but on a real circuit like most f1 circuits i think enzo would win,

:roll: everybody seems to forget that fact that it lapt nurburgring faster then the CGT. And so did the 360CS...in that case faster then the GT3.

the enzo won in top speed doing 355 km/h if i remember well, the CGt did 334... this at nardo...

Thumbsup to you guys, I really wish a head on battle be arranged between the Kraut and the Tifosi on a real track and I'm damn sure the prancing horse will fry the kraut's ass ;)

ehh what?

Challenge Stradale: 7.56 min
911 GT3 : 7.54 min
GT3 RS: 7.47 min

both GT3 versions are faster than Stradale. Since Enzo havent been tested so yes, CGT is faster than enzo too.

There's no way the murcielago could outbreak the enzo. Not only is it heavier, but it also doesn't have CC brakes. The numbers are a bit fishy...

The CGT could beat the Enzo around slower, more curvey tracks, because its a smaller car. But on "real" race tracks, which have more high speed corners, the Enzo would win. The nardo track is very curvey...

On the other hand, I don't think that times aroung the 'ring are of much use, because its just too long. I think there are very few drivers that are able to perfectly go round it.

speculations are fun, right? 8)
I believe CGt is faster than enzo on most of the tracks but just like you this only speculations.
Will we ever get an answer? Nope, I dont think so :D :(

More laptimes for you, this time on Hockenheim.

GT3: 1.13,2 min
GT3 RS: 1.11,8 min
CGT: 1.08,6 min
Stradale: 1.13 min

No times for Enzo but I think 1.08,6 min is hard to beat.

Maybe this will help just a bit.

I'm a huuuuge ferrari fan (I love everything except the f1 team),
but these times are a bit worrying:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...r/PICT0120.jpg

enzo only about 2-3 sec faster than the 360cs...

Fiorano is a short track with many tight turns... the Enzo's power isn't fully used here...

"Just_Me" are those numbers done with the same driver facing the same weather conditions? Because if not they are almost meaningless.

Lets not forget that in the same day with the same driver the GT3 RS had an identical time with the 360CS on the Top Gear track

What did the Enzo lap Nurburgring in?

From st-anger's thread, I think the CGT's best is 7:34 or 7:32...

360CS certainly didn't lap it faster than the CGT!

From the Sport Auto Supertest:
360CS: 7:56
911 GT3: 7:54

I still find it quite hard to belive that a GT3 laps faster than a 360CS... More power, lighter and stickier Pirelli's!

Considering that Ferrari is very likely over-rating the 360CS's hp, and under-rating it's weight, the power to weight ratio difference probably isn't as big as you think...

Combine that with Porsche's experience at the Ring, and rear-engine layout giving very good grip out of corners, its not a shock. Who knows, the time for the 360CS might come down if it had more laps there.

yes they are, with horst von saurma from SportAuto

um, lol ferrari enzo got DNF cause of engine problems on the nurburgring. i've told you that haven't i?

Well that takes out one variable but teh weather still remains. And that can affect a car tremendously. Hot and humid will murder the engine while overly cold weather will reduce the summer-tire traction.

If you look at that list again a GT3 posted in 8/99 a time of 8.03 and in 6/03 a 7.54. So unless porsche changed a bunch of stuff on the car since, that difference is most likelly atributed to weather conditions.

Hockenhm, thats the times I meant.

Dont confuse nordschliefe and nurburgring :wink:

lol, sorry...:lol:


Umm, talking to me?

So...you're saying they've only made one try with the Enzo there? What is that crap?

well if they did make an outstandigly fast lap, surely they would have made a big deal about it and officially published it.....

Theres no reason why the CGT cant be faster than the Enzo around some tracks

i totally agree with u... maybe the enzo is faster maybe the cgt is... maybe we wont ever get to know it officialy... but if one is faster than the other. it wont be by a great distance

well if they manage a lap that's faster then the CGT then it woulda been a record now wouldn't it?

does everybody here know that the FIA declared that the MC12 was not allowed to race, just said it cause it was mentioned earlier.

of course several factors are involved. But how easy do you think it is to collect all this great cars and test them at the same day?
Anyway, its better to use the same driver than use John from Egypt and then compare the times with Madonna from the states.
I say, same driver is better than nothing when comparing.

Also, you cant compare with a GT3 from -99 with a GT3 from year 2003. Those two are not the same cars, the one from -99 is the last generation GT3. The old one only had 360hp , the new one got 381hp and handling is also improved compared to last generation GT3.

New Ferrari F430 is 3 sec faster than 360 Modena on the testtrack

ok u cant look at these times, the only times i will look at is if there compared back to back and the driver does around 20 - 30 laps in each car then its a fai comparison, what if one knows the other car better or is more suited to it, or that car is more suited to that particular track, or the driver jus sucks in one car cause its harder to bring to the limit but its ultimate pace is faster though harder to reach. We need F1 drivers doing this cause jus the driver alone can be the differcne of 2 - 3 seconds on a regular track, on a huge track like nurbergring like more then 10 probably

The guy who does the Sport Auto tests is skilled enough, especially considering how well he knows the ring.

I still think they need more time in the car though. The Enzo is apparently a difficult car to get used to for example. It doesn't provide the best feedback and on top of that it goes at a pace quicker than pretty much any other road car they test there except the Carrera GT.

I think with only a couple laps the Carrera GT would definitely get a better time than the Enzo. If they were both taken out for say 15 laps I think the Enzo would begin to creep a lot closer.

its taking part in the last 3 races of the FIA GT and has one its first two (i think). FIA are still considering it running next year last time i checked and it probably will

They came 2nd and 3rd in the first race, behind a Saleen S7R I think, but that might have been a ploy of some sort.

Then one of the MC12s won the second race.