Ruf R Turbo
 

Hi guys!!!!
There are lots of Porsche tuners but Ruf For me is the best!!
That model reachs a top speed of 330 Km/h and only 3.8 seconds are necessary to reach 100 Km/h!
Can you tell me, if you know, the official site of Ruf ?
Please answer the topic!!
Now I hope you'll like that photo!!
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have you try google.com??? and yes RUF is by far the best porsche tuner. they main website dont' have much though lol. and shouldn't this be in porsche central?

*BUZZ* Wrong answer, please try again (ask St-Anger).

Here is the site for Ruf http://www.ruf-automobile.de/ . In the future I think that this post should have been made either in "Q&A Porsche discussion" section or if you were interested in sharing the photo inside "Multimedia". Thanks for sharing though :wink: . You might also be interested in cars made by RS Tuning. Some say they make a better engine than Ruf.

X-ale that's IMO so you can't say i'm wrong.

That's the st-anger opinion :wink: RS Tuning use Porsche competition pieces as well as custom stuffs.

I think RUF is a little over priced if you ask me...

you get what you pay for, 215mph+ 0 to 60 in 3.3 sec.

yeah, but you could get the same thing, as far as the engine is concerned..and with better parts, if you went with RS tuning...

where did you see that a RUF R Turbo goes 0-60 in 3.3 seconds...b/c I'm pretty sure thats not right..

my bad it's 3.7 not 3.3

didn't the yellowbird ctr do it in under 3.5?

not sure, but that car is just something else ;). it was the first TESTED 215mph road car.

the F40 was only "claimed" 200mph :D

first, thx for posting Porsche related material pilone, BUT as mentioned b4, plz try to post in the right section, see details here:

:arrow: http://www.motorworld.net/forum/show...=182252#182252
THX :wink:

to join the discussion a bit ( even if it should be moved :wink: ) here´s my opinion...

i know that there´re many fans from RUF here on the forum, for some maybe interesting, most of them´ll come from US…
That Mr.Ruf is a real enthusiast is undoubted, he is very much concerned about his customers and it´s quite common that customer and Alois get an amicable relationship…
Alois Ruf is especially well know in US and there #1 Porsche tuner, he almost gets all his business from over there, also including Asian and Arabic regions, here in germany or gernerally in west europe he´s probably on 3rd position and i´m sure only some will know him, so why´s Alois and his products so popular in US and not in his home country??? well, although he has the his principal office in germany, he´s all the time in US where he get´s his customers from there but more and more, as I said, from Arabic/Asian region…
all this is very much appreciated by the American customers and this message is spread all over the country and also to the regions mentioned above, ever talked to a Asian Porsche guy and asked what´s the main tuner there for Porsche…i´m sure answer´ll be RUF…
I think we have some members from that regions, would be nice if someone could post a comment on this…
here in germany, home of all the major Porsche tuners, it´s more or less a two men show, Gemballa and TechArt, Ruf coming in 3rd and as mentioned in previous posts, “my” favourite, RS-Tuning ( RS for “Reinhold Schmirler“ ) only 4th …
so, why´s that…???
I mean I can´t say that ppl have too less knowledge on Porsche tuning, 85% of the ppl can only say what the hear from the media, and media and marketing made the top three big…and IMO that´s it…
an example here as well, starting again with RUF, here they´re only popular because the US hype is getting over a bit, sure it´s a german tuner and Porsche is the germans beloved brand, and a tuned Porsche is “even better” so regardeless if they know very little about a tuner, it´s good, can hit 215mph, can do 0-60 in under 4 … reliability??? what´s that ???
Gemballa and TechArt – here it´s all about competition and performance, 500hp, 600hp, 700hp up to 850hp in Gemballas top product for the (...see :wink: ) merican market…
this tuning is IMO more that silly as i´ve posted somewhere b4 IMO tuning up to 550 to 600hp is absolutely the maximum, everything beyond this can´t be either good and/or true, ever tested a 700hp engine on a test rig??? I bet it won´t deliver all that power, this can´t be done only with some mods like exhaust, ECU, turbos and IC, such tuning is not only very very expensive it´ll be extremely expensive, nevertheless ppl buy it just for showing off, “i´ve a 700hp Cayenne ” yeah…..boohoooo m8…. :wink:
i´ve good friends at 9ff and TechArt, and once had the chance to take a ride with Jan Fatthauer in a 704hp GT2, definitely and impressive car, 0-60 in something around 3.5 sec to 200kmh ( ~125mph ) just some seconds more, but when it comes down to reliability…well, that´s another topic…
who needs a 600+ hp car, who is able to drive 340kmh, where??? With what tyres??? Sure now there´re 360kmh road tyres, but are they just for fast driving or for track use too – probably not, and buying a 300k € car just for driving 300+ - ok, good luck, only place where you can do that is german autobahn…
so I don’t see any sense of such performance, after some laps on a track the owner will have to replace nearly the whole car due to wear…
but back to the Tuners, so TechArt and Gemballa both have records on the NS, both take part in competitions like “Tuner GP” – where´s RUF….???
Their only real “joker” had been their 215mph record – now beaten by TechArt and by far by 9ff… so hopefully they´ll face the competition in 2005 at Tuner GP…
to come back to RUF, they´re not officially supported by PAG, which means like normal customers he has to buy his parts from Porsche dealers and don´t get them from Weissach directly…
in the end I haven´t heared too much good things about RUF but definitely not only bad things, e.g. i´m definitely looking forward to his “R50” project, and here´s the answer to the “from where…?” question some might come up with…
Reinhold Schmirler, owner of RS-Tuning, worked for RUF years ago, and from him we know how things are running inside RUF. As you know we know RS quite good, again IMO the one and only Porsche tuner, supported by PAG, he officially supports racing teams mainly with engine tuning and anyone who´s looking for a “real” tuning for his Porsche engine definitely talks with Reinhold, he´s one of the few remaining serious tuners, not only fast business and that´s it…
just look at the results of the hardest endurance race – the 24h at the NS – when a Porsche ranks among the best, be sure the engine of the car is a RS tuned one…

so, don´t get me wrong, i´m not a critic of tuning and of RUF in general, but it should be done in a good an appropriate way, not only business, more technical focused when it comes down to reliability, and all the performance claims should be more transparent for the customers…but all this is just my opinion…

/\/\ AMEN

Really interesting post st-anger :D . Car fans on this side of the pond aren’t exposed to Porsche tuners like Germans are. So it is nice to get that prospective :wink: .

I think that I can provide a little insight into why Ruf is so popular in America. I think more than anything it is a historical thing. Anyone who was a true “believer” in Porsche in the early 1980s wanted to own an air-cooled 911 :wink: . The ultimate 911, especially in that era of lower horsepower fuel efficient cars, was the turbo charged versions of the car. Back in the late 1970s the management at Porsche wanted to kill off the 911 and focus on developing newer more modern car designs like the 928 :x . Combined with that desire to move ahead with other models Porsche decided to discontinue the sale of the 911 Turbo (930) in the U.S. They claimed that the reasons were the cars inability to pass increasingly tougher U.S. car regulations, specifically smog. As a result, after 1979 the 911 Turbo was no longer available in the U.S. which was and still is Porsche’s most lucrative market. Alois saw the opportunity and increased his marketing and distribution system in the U.S. (as st-anger mentioned) and brought to the U.S. market a street legal smog certified version of the 930 when no one else did. As far as I know if you wanted a 930 you could either import a “black market” version from Europe and get it certified or buy a Ruf. The “black market” versions were known to have questionable reliability depending on which mechanic shop did the conversion. The choice was made easier because the Ruf came with 365 hp verses 300 hp in Europe from Porsche which fell to 250-60 range after attaching smog regulation equipment. Porsche solved the problem back in 1986 when it decided the 911 wasn’t going to die and their most lucrative market needed their most potent car and began selling the 911 Turbo again in the U.S.

One other factor has increased Ruf’s appeal here. R&T magazine developed a strong relationship with Ruf and use to go to Germany every couple of years in the 1980’s and do a top speed contest. AMG and Ruf were the cars most featured from tuners and Ruf usually won the contests. That was especially true in 1987 when the Ruf CTR “Yellow Bird” (211 mph) beat a impressive list of competitors including Ferrari’s 288 GTO (179 mph) and Porsches 959 (198 mph) by the way Koenig/RS had a car that broke after hitting 201 mph. I think the CTR “Yellow Bird”s performance elevated it to supercar status here in the U.S. and Paul Frere, R&T’s European editor highly endorsed Ruf.

So that is my opinion as to why Ruf is so popular in the U.S. St-anger I found what you said really interesting. Logically, it doesn’t make sense that turners could build a better car than Porsche :P . I mean who has more racing knowledge and R&D expenditures on 911 models than Porsche? Andial an “American” tuner of sorts. Actually they have a similar story as RS Tuning they were a mechanical repair shop that became evolved in building racing engines for 911 derivatives and gained recognition for their successful racing program. Porsche then designated them as the official repair shop for the 959. Anways Andial has a pretty interesting take on the horsepower relabilitiy issue that basically says the same things as st-anger did. If you are interested go to the FAQ section at http://www.andial.com

The only thing that makes logical sense when comparing a tuner to Porsche is that Porsche targets their cars to broader based customer and that tuners are able to focus on the wealthy enthusiast that is willing to make some trade offs and pay more to receive some performance benefits. Certainly, Porsche could put together a faster better performing car than the tuners if money and broad based appeal weren’t much of an issue. Back in the 1980s and early 1990s I think that this argument was stronger than it is today because of Porsche’s financial struggles. At the time, I think Porsche didn’t put out the best product that they could have just because they didn’t have the development budgets to do so. Reliability has always been a major issue with Porsche. So if they didn’t have the R&D budget to develop a new product right they felt it was best to stay with the current product that they knew worked well, IMO.

As a fan of 1980s model 911s I appreciate the effort of Ruf to build what Porsche couldn’t at the time :roll: . Personally, I was under the impression that Ruf built a quality product that was the equal as far as quality and build standards to Porsche but it sounds like that was wrong. Ruf makes a great deal of effort in marketing materials to emphasize their relationship with Porsche and they make it sound like they are tighter with Porsche than st-anger indicated. In fact listening to Ruf it sounds like they are a division of Porsche. Heck, they were the ones that offered to buy the rights to the 911 and continue production when Porsche was thinking of discontinuing the 911 model in the 1970s or at least that is how the legend goes. But I have heard st-anger allude several times now to problems with Ruf’s.

I’m curious now st-anger as to what you have heard. Are you able to discuss in greater detail the Ruf’s negatives? I know you might feel constrained because of your close ties and relationships working at PAG. I have heard of problems with their older 3.4L pistons but little else. More specifics if possible would be nice :wink: .

The problem is that there are a lot of tuners for Porsches and it is hard to figure out who is the best. Here in the US, we have RUF, Racer's Group, Rook to name a few.

Most car mags tend to focus on power outputs and speeds. They do not subject these cars to a long term tests to figure out the reliability of these cars. I remember reading a road test of a Rook tuned version of the Porsche 996 Turbo in R&T. From memory it faced some cold starting problems and clutch issues inside a day or so. So much for reliability.

I agree with lakatu wrt the relationship between Ruf and Road & Track. They are the ones that made me lust for the yellowbird and other cars back in the 80s.

R&T praised the new Ruf that is a take on the GT3 - but the cost difference from the GT3 is phenomenal.

I liked the Ruf approach back then when they focussed on lightening the car, making the suspension stiffer yet comfortable on the road, and getting more power from the engine. It was certainly a Porsche but more so.

...again, THX a lot lakatu for a very detailed reply - as you know i´m not that much into tuning, sure i find it quite interesting, but as you pointed out 101% right: what should a tuner improve on a Porsche...???
so that´s why i never really cared about tuned Porsches, so i´m afraid i can´t tell you any details on this, and to be honest, if i knew something i definitely wouldn´t post it in here, i just posted my opinion, based on facts as a guy who´s into automotive engineering for quite some time, but i don´t want to say bad things about RUF, because as you pointed out Alois did quite a job back in the 80s for you guys over there...
so, basically i´m ok with any tuning, but it´s definitely nothing for me if it´s getting too extreme...

Perfectly understandable st-anger :wink: .

If Ruf isn’t talented in any other area they are at least a great marketing company. Can’t even image how many new people have been exposed to the brand through the CTR :shock: and Fazination 8) (Ruf CTR driven by Stefan Roser on the Ring).

Porsche should take a page out of Ruf’s marketing book and make video of WR driving the CGT & the GT3 RS on the NS. I’m sure with his rally experience WR could drift those cars as well if not better then “Sideways Stefan” :lol: . If they did I would like to see two different runs for each car. One running the fastest lap possible and a second with fun for show drifting action. What do think the changes of that happening are st-anger :wink: ?

Do you guys need a room :wink:

lol, no i don´t think that i´ll give up my wife, but thx for the kind offer :x

:lol:

...to answer your question, there is a video with WR in a GT3, it´s not to buy, it´s been shown as a presentation video in showrooms and at car shows, kinda like the SLR vid with Klaus Ludwig shown at all the motor shows at the SLR stand...

don´t know about a CGT ( or any other ) vid with WR - you know.....marketing.... :roll: :wink:

I think that reason that RUF is so popular in North America is due to the video of Stefan Roser doing his sideways drifting around the NS. But in any test you will never hear of a RUF breaking down, unlike all of the American tuners on Corvettes, Vipers and the such, something always goes wrong with them.

I know a guy who know Alois personally, as this guy was a DOT inspector for all cars coming to Canada and he knows everyone, I don't have any pictures but Alois gave him a RUF for a couple of days fitted with the EKS clutch. He has a bad limp so this is easier on him. He couldn't believe how much better the RUF was than the factory Porsche, he said everything was just that much better on the RUF.

RUF does get their bodies from Porsche as they are just regular Carrera body shells and then RUF puts on the flared fenders by hand. They just to do that anyway. As well, in my opinion, RUF is a very classy and not showy car company such as Gemballa or Techart are. To top it all off, RUF have actual VIN numbers, how many other Porsche tuners or any other tuners have that. Yes, I love RUF and cannot wait to own one someday.

Good point I personally am turned off by the other makes of tuners. I prefer Ruf's understated look. BTW does anybody who speaks German know how to pronounce Ruf. I have read it is pronounced "roof" but then I heard Derek Bell pronounce it "rough". Go figure tomato, tomahto :roll: :wink: .

That's also the opinion of Paul Frere which has a very close relationship with PAG and tested RUFs on several occasions for high speed tests. He already said that they never broke while tested on more than 300 km/h.
RUF also don't concentrate on numbers and don't claim extremes power like some tuners and is finally quite discreet IMO (as is RS Tuning BTW :wink: ) , all of that made me think he was a good tuner but , of course, i am not an expert like st-anger or lakatu :wink:

well, it´s kinda hard for a german speaking to explain a US guy how to say a german word, ´cause "Ruf" is a german name, just like "Röhrl" so it´s like [ruf] with a short "u" but not like you US guys say "u" it´s a german "u" ask someone who knows german :wink:

Gotcha :wink: . Now if only my German relatives would come for a visit :roll: :lol: .

That's kinda confusing. . .

simple answer? record a small wav file and post it somewhere :D

^^^ It´s almost the same as if you would say the english "Roof", but with a German "R"... Dang it´s truly hard to explain to English speaking guys :|

ich meine is jetzt eine auslegungssache, aber "wir" sprechen "RUF" eher kurz, also nicht so mit zwei "oo" respektive "uu" von der betonung her, eher ein kuzes "u"...!???

ah...scheiß an... :lol:

A friend of mine is buying one of these, or another Ruf possibly. He wanted Ruf to make him a 997 Turbo but the cost was too high. Shame, as i think the 997 is much better looking than the 996...

Ist aber meiner Meinung nach die beste Möglichkeit es den anderen hier zu erklären... :wink:

there was a tuner featured in Car n Driver a while ago called Roost. they supposedly tuned a Turbo to get to 0-60 in 2.9 sec...enzo speed..cool thing too look at except the price

2.9 seconds omg that is fuckin amazing...would blow all the cars away...but the price would be amazingly high im presuming

Done. He's put a deposit down with Porsche for a 911 Turbo and a deposit with RUF for the R Turbo conversion... He's getting a special paint job at an absolutely eye-watering cost... :shock:

It's 630bhp, (same spec as Alois' own car) but i forgot if it's RWD orAWD. Can get more details tomorrow if people are interested...

I dont know any german, but my rough guess at a translation: 'ah fuck it' ?? :wink:

From the 'Faszination On The Nurburgring' video by RUF, the narrator definately pernounces RUF as 'Roof' (bit like Kanga-ROO) :D

im kind of at a loss here ..i think in england porsche is called RUF but in germany and in europe all as whole do they call it RUF, or just porsche...