SRT/10 vs. GT
 

ok so i was on this other board last week and there was a topic about a new ford 2-seaters to follow the 2005 Ford GT, so i said the ideas was great, and somehow the discussion got carried away and I start arguing wit this other dude who thinks the viper SRT - 10 was a better car then the ford GT. being a HUGE fan of the GT, i gave him some pretty good slapping wit my points: better looking, better interior, faster acceleration, higher top speed, history, midengined blah blah blah.

Then i mentioned that the viper is heavy, unbalanced becuz of that huge engine in front and the RWD at the back. and some other guy comes in and slap me wit this:

Lateral G's:
ford GT -1.0
Dodge viper SRT - 10 - 1.05

now i don't really noe how and where did he get those stats from, i have never seen the lateral G's for the GT ever before, and i still haven't found it yet. But is it possible that a MR ford GT is a worse handler then a FR viper that weight more??? i've try to prove him wrong in the braking department and so far i have not luck finding the 60 - 0 mph for the GT. I still think i'm right about the GT being a better car round the track though. plz tell me your opinion on this

don't worry too much, you can't find the stats coz nobody is sad enough to time themselves braking from 60 in a Ford GT cos they are having so much fun driving it!! GT kicks SRT's ass anyday man!

Skidpad does not define handling just as grip alone does not define skidpad. Skidpad measurements do not determine how well a car handles, rather it gives an indication as to how well the car can 'hold onto the road.' That's it. Shitty balance or manouvrability doesn't affect these figures...

So those figures definately do not prove the Viper is a better handler.

Also check if that 1.05 is a motortrend figure. That difference is not big enough to be significant, but MT has a history of getting excepetional performance often through use of high grip surfaces.

They are normal testing locations, but usually in much more ideal conditions than other magazines. A CGT doesn't normally pull a full G in a test like that and it can handle with the best of them.

I've seen hopped up SUV's pull over 0.85 g's on the skidpad. No way it outhandles a McLaren F1 (which merely scored 0.87g on the skidpad).

Skidpad is not so valuable...

but did any sources test the lateral G of the GT?

I do believe I've read some skidpad numbers for the GT, but I can't remember where...I'll see if I can find them...as for the fact that the Viper develops more grip around a circular skidpad, it has always had exceptional grip levels at constant throttle application...it's got very stiff suspension and extremely wide rear tires...335/35 ZR19's if I'm not mistaken, and that outdoes the GT...however, put the two on a racecourse and I'd be surprised if the SRT-10 could keep up for very long...it's less powerful, less comfortable and much less aerodynamic than the GT.

they have the skidpad in the infamous Carand Driver article here:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=7565

the Ford GT made a .98 skidpad you have to remeber that the Ford GT uses the same tires as the older GT-40. Goodyear racing tires.

dude, think about what you say sometimes...a road car would not be using 40 year old racing tires....
if you do a quick search online you'll see the GT uses Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires. While they're certainly high performance, they're not even remotely the same tires as the older GT-40...

I have about 5 magazine articles on the Ford GT (also my favorite new car). Anyway in one of the Motortrend's I have (Jan 2004) they compare the the GT with the SRT-10. Well here ya go:

The SRT-10 stats are first then the GT's
0-60............3.9...........................3.6
1/4 mile......11.77 at 123.63...........11.78 at 124.31
60-0............97............................111
600Ft slalom.70.4.........................71.5
they didn't test the g's
I was a bit disappointed in the 1/4 and braking.

But i have yet another MT article on the GT (Nov 2003), yes its old but they got a better 1/4 time 11.70@122 and better braking 60-0=100Ft.
Also they did a skidpad test came out to 1.05g's that number seems to be popping up again.

well the 1/4 is barely a different, the srt does have more torque then the GT, but look at that slalom different :D :D :D i guess a viper is still a viper afterall.

I still can't understand how the Viper only needed 97 feet to stop from 60 mph. I read the article with that test in it, and they said it is one of 2 cars they have tested that can stop from 60 under 100 feet. But even if the GT can't do better in that department, it is still a lot better than the SRT-10.

yes that braking test is a huge shocker for me too.

you gotta remeber when you start getting this thing going its hard to stop it. V-8 supercharge

http://www.goodyear.com/media/pr/22602ti.html


The Ford GT-40 in the 60 Lemans did use Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires.

/\/\ :shock: :o :lol:

I know but you have to remeber back in the 60's performance was high as hell.

Did you know the Trans Am (the car) is the father of drag racing? The Trans Am named after the first American racing League was to fast for the league so they made up Drag Racing so the Trans Am could race in atleast one league.

Of course this is a summary you may want to research this for the details.

And 30's hi boys are the granpa's, the 50's street rods god fathers. The Vette is the mother of 'em all, Ford is the cheap whore and Honda is evry1 little bitch. Even RC's daughter knows that... well she's the 1 who told me. Thanks for this hystoerical piece of information. You still haven't cleared how they got todays tires in the 60's. Did they dial up M.J. Fox and the mad doc and got 'em back from the present.

k u cant read into stats, jus cause somethin has more g's through a skidpad doesnt mean its faster around a track or even faster in a corner, only that particualr corner, manyt hinks effect cornering speeds, maybe at speeds over 100 mph the ford gt will be way faster then the srt-10 through corners, like F1 cars they can make 5 g's and supposesdly this year have hit 6 throught corners and braking, but they cant hit 6 g's of cornering when there goin 80, they would have to be goin like 200 or so pobably even more

Jesus man, can you read at all? The article says that the company that Ford is using for tires for the GT is Goodyear, not that the GT40 from the sixties used Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires... the technology for those tires was still 40 years away when the GT40 ran at LeMans. Here, read a direct quotation from the article:

"Goodyear tires carried the original Ford GT racing machines of the 1960s to victory at Le Mans, Daytona and Sebring. And, today, Ford is announcing that Goodyear, with its Eagle F1 Supercar tires, once again is supplying the exclusive rubber for the return version of America’s raciest sports car, the 2005 Ford GT."

well thank all of you for reaffirming my faith in the ford GT. i love it even more now.

No one has the correct numbers. The magazine test were with the older mules, and are about a year old or so.. Top Gear tested a new one not to far back and JC loved it, i think he had sex with it or something.

yeah by the video he was either about to piss his pants or fuck the exhaust pipe

Maybe both.

great article

lol more like a debate then article ;)

i know for sure that the viper does out brake. It is one of the cars with the best brakes. It even out brakes the enzo.

from fords site.
2004 Dodge SRT-10 Viper 2005 Ford GT
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
Drivetrain layout Front engine, RWD Mid-engine, RWD
Engine type 90° V-10, aluminum block/heads Supercharged 90° V-8,
aluminum block/heads
Valve gear OHV, 2 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Bore x stroke, in/mm 4.03x3.96 / 102.4x100.6 3.55x4.16 / 90.2x105.8
Displacement, ci/cc 505.1/8277 330.1/5409
Compression ratio 9.6:1 8.4:1
Max horsepower @ rpm 500 @ 5600 500 @ 6000
Max torque @ rpm 525 @ 4200 500 @ 4500
Redline, rpm 6000 6500
Engine rpm @ 60 mph 1200 1515
Transmission 6-speed manual 6-speed manual
Axle/final-drive ratio:1 3.07 / 1.54 3.36 / 2.12
Suspension, front; rear Upper and lower control arms, Upper and lower control arms,
coil springs, anti-roll bar; upper coil springs, anti-roll bar; upper
and lower control arms, coil and lower control arms, coil
springs, anti-roll bar springs, anti-roll bar
Brakes, f;r 14.0-in vented disc; 14.0-in vented disc;
14.0-in vented disc, ABS 13.2-in vented disc, ABS
Wheels, f;r 10.0x18; 13.0x19 9.0x18; 11.5x19
forged aluminum forged aluminum
Tires, f;r 275/35ZR18; 345/30ZR19 235/45ZR18; 315/40ZR19
Michelin Pilot Sport Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar
DIMENSIONS
Seating capacity 2 2
Wheelbase, in 98.8 106.7
Track, f/r, in 61.6/60.9 63.0/63.7
Length, in 175.6 182.8
Width, in 75.2 76.9
Height, in 47.6 44.3
Turning circle, ft 40.5 40.0
Headroom, in 36.5 35.4
Legroom, in 42.4 44.6
Shoulder room, in 54.1 57.7
Curb weight, lb 3410 3400 (est)
Weight, f/r, % 48/52 43/57
Cargo capacity, cu ft 8.4 n/a
Fuel capacity, gal 18.5 17.5
TEST DATA
Acceleration, sec
0-30 mph 1.7 1.7
0-40 mph 2.4 2.3
0-50 mph 3.0 2.9
0-60 mph 3.9 3.6
0-70 mph 4.8 4.7
0-80 mph 5.8 5.6
0-90 mph 7.0 6.5
0-100 mph 8.4 8.1
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 11.77 @ 123.63 11.78 @ 124.31
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 97 111
600-ft slalom, mph 70.4 71.5
CONSUMER INFO
On sale in U.S. Currently May 2004
Base price $80,995 $149,995 (est)
Price as tested $84,795 $153,000 (est)
Airbags Dual front Dual front
Basic warranty 3 yrs/36,000 miles 3 yrs/36,000 miles
Powertrain warranty 7 yrs/70,000 miles 3 yrs/36,000 miles
EPA mpg, city/hwy 12/20 14/21 (est)
Range, miles, city/hwy 222/370 245/368
Recommended fuel Unleaded premium Unleaded premium

You guys are quoting old GT numbers...The latest MT mag has updated numbers....The only one that jumped out at me was the 1/4 numbers.....

You may want to sit down for this......You may faint..

11.2 @ 131mph....faint

Lutz has now officially turned the Viper into a Garter Snake as he had promised....

BTW, yes the SRT10 does out brake the GT and every other production car from 60-0.....The only car that beat it in a braking test was the Enzo but that a 70-0 test....The Enzo took 153 ft to the Vipers 156 ft.....Not bad for the Viper...No fancy ceramics like Ferrari or Porsche but can brake with the best of em.....

On a roadcourse the GT would no doubt spank the SRT10 with ease...But it ought to at more than double the price....No need to bash the SRT10..Its an incredible car....Imagine if all those cubes were blown like the GT.....Quite a few street Vipers with SC's that are in the 800-1000RWHP range for much less than the GT so dont be too hard on the Vipers.......Somehow I think they'll get by lol....

holy shit you have to be kidding me.......11.2@131 thats amazing if its true, are they using MT slicks or something lol.

Bob lutz runs GM, not Ford. Bill Ford is the CEO of Ford.

Doh....Got my quotes mixed up..Lutz is in charge of the Vette...Forgot who said what now....But Im pretty sure somebody at Ford said that the GT is going to turn the Viper into a Garter Snake...Was it Neil Henmann...Some ex Chrysler guy said that.... Used to be on the team that brought the Viper to life...

Skidpads vary, one to the other. So if u want a proper reading, then test them on the same skidpad, one after the other, multiple times. Then the GT would own the SRT-10. I WANT A GT!!!!!

and you name is viperASR LOL ;)

Hehe...Afaik its the stock Goodyear F1 tires it will come with from the factory....its incredible and a steal at 150k msrp....Good luck finding one under 200k with dealers price gouging...

at first i thought the ceramaic brakes were for shortening braking distances, but i think they dont really affect it, what there for is for way less heat, and they can take way more abuse and theres virtually no fade, if they do shorten distances by a but then i think thats just a bonus but they werent really made for that, oh ya and there much lighter too

and the brakes being lighter might make a difference to distance cause less weight to stop but i dont think its big enough to have a big impact like i said there more made for abusing and being able to take it unlike regular brakes

i would rather have a viper.. then send it to hennessey and have that bitch twin turbo charged making 1200whp..


But the GT is a simply gorgeous car.
But so is the Viper, to me at least

and do what with it?
1200 whp isnt useable on the street... smoking tires all the way through third, sure those guys with 600 hp are going to be faster to 100mph.

oh, by the way... hennessey is a crook... ;)