Why many LP640s crascheds in small times
 

:cry: ???????? :cry:

too much money in wrong hands :|

jk :mrgreen:

too much power in wrong hands you say :roll: :wink:

Sometime events happen where there is just no way to avoid an accident no matter how good the driver, but many cases it is an issue where the people purchasing these types of cars are realizing they’re not as easy to drive as a 4 door econo-box.

Or just because the car is an exotic it atracts too much attention and you start to think that this happens only with this car :idea:

Hey, if Schumi can do it so can I, right? :lol:

^ :hmm:

the LP640 is for sure not easy to handle :wink:

Its the fast lambo ever made 8)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=lamborghini

teh video of the LP640 crashed in London......hope its not a STAN!

This level of power is certainly not easy to handle for "normal" drivers, some Mercedes are overpowered but have all the safety kits (ESP etc ...) the Lambo like the Enzo has no ESP ...

/\/\ True

You can make a car with a million HP but if you can't control it, whats the point? :bah:

When people who are used to driving, "normal" cars get into a "fast" car, they don't seem to remember that because they're moving faster, it's going to take more distance and less time to do things...chump got what he deserved, and unfortunately an LP640 was lost...

Please :lol:
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http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45149

WTF have this tard expected? totally deserved :roll: good for him he didnt run over anyone

HAHAHAHA ROFLMYRTFO HAHAHAHAHA MUHAHAHAHA

Bloody fantastic :twisted: :twisted:

I have seldom laughed so loud in my life :)

A couple things come to mind... like WTF was that stupid idiot thinking?

ANYONE with half a brain should know that the stopping distance of any car is diminished on slick/greasy/grimy urban roads and cold tyres... now couple that with a half arsed 1/2/3 (maybe 4th) runup the gears and the fact the driver was not familiar with such speeds and that (and possibly any) car because they never left anywhere enough distance to stop....

...and this on a T-junction street? ROFL

You can bet from just past the camera man the driver was SHITTING himself because the car was already skipping over the tarmac and not slowing as he foolishly expected.

One can hope he loses his license for that bit of STUPID hooliganism.. there is a time and place to show off and be boystrous with your (or anyone's) car - and that was not the place.

Anyone might have stepped off the side walk.. or more scarily he could have T-Boned a bus full of nuns and orphans as he skidded through the intersection.

Lets hope the drivers station wealth doesn't ket him egt away from this onhe.

After the laughter EVERYONE should be as mad as they can be because this idiot is displayignt he type of behaviour that will eventually bring back the 120bhp super car.

I mean he cold dont a quick 1, short shift to 2, short shift to 3..a md then off throttle slowed down before the camera man and been as dangerous and spectacular but no where near as reckless.

The outcome was 100% deserved.

Well Said :good:


This link shows exactly why so many fine exotics have been crashed.

http://www.expressandstar.co.uk/wp-c...s/smashbig.jpg

Just saw this now, and its definit that the LP640 is CRAP!

Put a damn WING on that car Audi, thats the only way youll gain some control over it......I saw one at Nurburgring with a BIG wing on the back....I think thats the only LP640 left in one piece.....

^^

How can you say that "LP640 is CRAP" when YOU yourself posted a video link showing an imbecile behind the wheel of the LP640 that doesn’t quite know how to handle such a car?


I'm not saying there is nothing wrong with the LP640, but before you become an engineering expert and start making conclusions realize that there is more then one idiot who can afford to buy cars like the LP640!

if you remember.... romanians have this wierd holy-car-owner syndrom; and.... if the car crashes, it must be the car's fault if it isn't a ferrari

~ I am basing that soley on Rammius' postings ;)

as an asside, i have no love of the LP640 :(

no hate of it either... i do think its too heavy.

Well - we don't know if the bus ran into the Lambo or not ... ;)

BUt lest assume it was the Lambos fault...

The car doesn't need a wing - the drivers need to get some brains.

My car only produces about 490bhp - which is about 430rwhp.. and weighs 3080lbs... it will do 0-60 in 4s.. and a 1/4mile in about 12s at about 118mph.. That means you are going 70mph just after you cross the other side of a traffic light/intersection - leave your foot in it for another 4 seconds and you are going over 100mph.. all before you are the next cross walk. These are deadly and frighteningly quick speeds in and of themselves - not to mention in traffic when you are showing off.

The speed numbers are so academic and easy to achieve these days, people don't realize just how quick modern sports cars are.

The LP640 has over 600bhp - thats over 500whp.. so things happen even quicker.

When you are driving such a rocket ship in traffic, unless you are prepared for it, the velocity with with the car makes forward progress is awe-inspiring and almost mesmerizing... so if you are a) showing off, b) drunk or just plain dimwitted and slow to respond you can easily go quicker that you thought you were going.

Now couple this with other traffic and the fact you may try change lanes and then stay on the gas you end up like the New York CGT - embedded in a pole.

The slick/slippery city streets can also have you fish tailing before you anticipate it - or worse still you try slam ont he brakes and have little to no braking force as you are on the limit of tyre adhesion (and ABS would just lengthen the stopping distance in that situation anyway).

So we get back to the issue - if someone ese did not run into the Lambo, then the driver is 100% to blame - not the car.

^^
Yet again, well said!


to LEXION: read and learn for future refrence :wink: :)

Does Lamborghini at least offer drivers training like Porsche? I can't even comprehend the reason for anyone blaming the car. The driver was speeding down a small residential street, and being in a supercar he should actually be safer in terms of having superior brakes and handling. But if he's able to go beyond the abilities of what a Lambo has, then he is without a doubt to blame.

Think of it this way, if you're going beyond the criteria of the law and you crash, no matter if the car broke or driver error, it is the drivers fault. The law does not abide to the abilites of your vehicle.

On the other hand, if you're on a racetrack and something with the car goes wrong, then there is a serious manufacturing problem but how many of you have heard of Lambos (LP640) having problems on the track?

How can you say that?

The car is a street car.

F*** that, have you ever thought that there is a point in the power war where that these "street cars" are getting too powerful for the average rich guy that just wants a lambo. I'm positive you're seeing a rise in street supercar accidents because it's gotten to a point where the power might just be too much without the mandation from companies to give driving lessons. I would totally respect a company for giving manditory driving lessons, reason being, if they don't i have a feeling the government would eventually step in. The LP640 is a rare car and we've already seen a significant amount crash. I think the Enzo's aren't crashing like the LP640 (although we've seen a few) because it's even a rarer car which leaves most owners to not driving them.

Point is, these street cars are getting beyond the point of being a street car. The manufacturers of these cars did not design them to be driven down narrow urban roads, yes they are street cars, but that was not what they were intended for (possibly an empty highway) :wink: .

hey hey, dont blame everything on the drivers capabilities, remember , Balboni, the Lambo test driver crashed one, now who has more experience with Lambo's than him?????

But what supercar you know, has been in a crash in almost every month since its release?

And yes , the drivers do need some preparing , as we all know, people who afford these cars, dont have time for schools on how to drive them, they only think on how to make MORE money....


I assume that the problem, is with the manevrability, just like the CCX, and thats why I said it needs a WING, to keep somehow control over the back of the car....but beeing a 4WD car...I dont think what else could be done, without the car beeing re-inspected by Lamborghini...

My opinion stays the same, for a car that has a price over 300 000$, it shouldnt be so damn dangerous to drive!!!! Look at the Veyron or the FXX, how many have crashed? thinking that the power of those its way more than on the LP640!

Oh, I never really liked the Lamorghini in general, because they started from tractors and tryed to rrival Ferrari, just for beeing flashy , not for the history or the name they created in motoring!


Cheers :D

I think there's a limit to which we can blame the car. I mean, many supercars are not easy to manage at high speeds. Drivers are ultimately responsible for the safe and lawful operation of their automobiles.

The LP640 is a street car - period.

Any car, even an F1 can be driven at 30mph in a 30mph zone.. witness how F1 cars are able to drive down pitlane at the speed limit.

Every driver has the choice to "take it easy" on urban streets - some choose not to. This is THEIR problem not the cars.

If he crashed the car in a street zone into other traffic while speeding like a crazy fucker then he is to blame - period.

I heard that BMW 3 series and VW Golf's crash every day - bad drivers or bad cars?

And this somehow excuses them from obeying basic traffic laws in urban areas?

You assume wrong - in the situations pictured the wing would have made no difference.. you need to be travelling close to 100mph for a wing to produce down force.. and uhm exactly what part of you don't drive 100mph in traffic on closed urban streets is so hard to understand

The car is not dangerous - the drivers are irresponsible.. the cars pictured are on narrow busy urban streets.. what part of this can't you understand?

Have you ever been in a 500hp car? Have you ever experienced how quickly you go if you do not use common sense in traffic?

I guess you ave just defined yourself as a fanboy :)

Your right, it is common sense which a lot of these drivers lack. But it's obvious that these drivers aren't trained to respect the car, training that Lambo can provide. Training people to respect a car is very much possible, and i would mind it being a criteria from manufacturers that produce cars that make more power then 3 Golf GTI's put together. THe onyl thing that makes these street cars is that they come with an interior and air bags. These are race cars made legal for the street. If an LP640 can lap around a track faster then some race cars of 10 years ago, what takes it out of the league of being a race car? Is it amenities like windows that roll up and down? The performance standard of cars are getting higher whereas i don't think the capabilities of drivers are keeping up with it.

Again, these are not race cars they are street cars with street car parts.

Legal behaviour is legal behaviour. period. You don't need to be "trained" to respect the car - you either travel 30mph in a 30mph zone, or you don't.

You are the driver - you choose to push the gas pedal and go fast - not the car.

An accident at a track day or at 160mph on the freeway could be bcause of lack of ability - but then again as a free willed human you chooe to go faster than you are able to manage.

No one is forcing yu to go 180mph on the open road - you take the chance and lose control and have a wreck.

But n traffic if you choose the mash the gas pedal it is YOUR fault not the car.

No amount of training will prevent you from being irresponsible - the proof/ When a pro-race driver gets in a wreck on the street whole speeding etc.

These are the best trained people - and that doesn't prevent them from behaving in the wrong way on the street. That is their choice.

No need to say more!! That is the fact! The car doesn't drive itself, can't blame the car..

Balboni crashed the car on the track, while posing for car and driver photographs.....

Well yeah, the Golf, the most selled car of the years 96, 97, 99, 00" , its an every day car, sold in thousands, and its clearly it crashes daily, because there more of them on the roads, and there driven daily, not only on weekends, or track days, but when I gave that line , I ment SUPERCARS that crash monthly!

Well, thats there problem , I have nothing to comment on that one, because its there time and money and lifes.

So Lp640 drivers are the only ones that drive the cars falt out on urban streets? Hard to believe that...but as I see, there the only ones that crash on a constant base.....


First wreck was on a track, second on a road in Monte Carlo, straight road as I saw in the pictures, there rest in dense urban areas....so it doesent matter really......

And I saw McLaren LM, Enzo, F40, Veyron, beeing driven on narrow urban streets , just watch Martin Brundle's Supercars or fifth gear and top gear specials.....off course there specialists, and know what there doing, but I want to see that beeing done with an LP640 :)

yeah, I have nothing to loose or gain from this , its only my point of view as a Lambo ''lover'' :D

You're not understanding my concept of these no being street cars. Example from Top Gear when they tested race cars of the past verses street cars of today, and the street cars of today were faster. You can say they're street cars all you want because they pass the regulations to be driven on the street, but by no means do they perform in the same arena as a street car. There is the reason for the term super car. Now the average driver (rich or poor) has a certain ability to drive automobiles that 99% of the rest world has naturally (mind you, there are a lot of shitty drivers out there). I now think that that naturally ability to drive automobiles is not good enough for the supercars we have today. The people that buy these cars aren't race drivers (vast majority) and the fact that you said that even race drivers make mistakes makes it even worse for the average driver to make a mistake.
I truly do beleive that driver education from manufactuers will create a safer super car driver, or else they just learn about their car on their own on the same street i drive on. Luckily these cars are rare, and that most of them are like motorcyclist and they just buy it for looks and won't take it above 80.

I understand perfectly - you are sayign because they are as fast as past race cars they are race cars.

That's plain wrong.

They are street cars with powerful engines.

In that test - but in a race would not win.. ;)

Does not make a difference.

These cars only go fast is you make them go fast - they dont go fast on their own.

The term super car denotes "potential preformance" - not "default performance".

Why not?

You just need to display self control.

Does your stereo have a volume control? If you listen to a 500W steroe at 10% can you hear it? If you turn it up to 100% and go deaf, is that the stereo fault or YOUR fault? :P

So only soldiers should have guns? And DJ's big stereos?

Wrong.

On 1,045 levels.. but I will just approach 2.

First - what about someone who buys a car used? They wont get the "training" - so the idea wont work.

Second - just because you are "trained" does nto mean you will put the training into practice.

Again - you choose to hit the gas... no one else.

hehe - thats a bizarre statement in and of itself.

I just get angry when i see bikers without helmets and a hoochie on the back. :lol:

Anyways... I'm just trying to say the natural ability of humans to handle super cars is not keeping up with manufacturers ability to make them go faster. Most people couldn't handle race cars of the past (power wise) so what makes you think that people can handle "street" cars of today that are faster then the race cars of the past. Of course its all the drivers fault, i'm not denying that, but education has always helped humans prevent mistakes from being made, but of course it is a matter of how ignorant the individual is in the first place. This is why i'm saying mandatory drivers education, it will make an imapct on every super car buyer whether the impact be big or small.

The problem with this car is its weight. It's too heavy, when a car with this much power starts to spin, it's unstoppable. You can have the best brakes in the world, but you also need to know how to slow 2000 kg down.

The other problem is (not only with this car) are all the high tech stuff. TC, ABS, ESP etc. The drivers think that their car has ultimate grip, because it has ESP and TC. they think their car will be able to stop extremely fast because they have ABS. It meight help, but there is a limit to everything. For example, when I was driving in Austria in the winter last year on a snowy, slippery road. I was in some traffic jam because 2 accidents happened. 1 was a new 4WD landrover whish drove into a wall that and the other was a new BMW 5 series which landed on it's roof, they crashed. The drivers of these cars think they are invulnerable and have ultimate grip because of all their TC stuff...

I'm not saying these technological improvements are bad, but the drivers handle with it incorrectly...

But thats my opinion

:shock:

I'm amazed at some of the responses here so far!

...it's like trying to explain basic driving skills to little kids :roll:

So you are saying that people in Lambo's can't drive and that is why they crash... And people who drive ferrari's and porsches are good drivers because they dont crash...

OK :?

no no no, only when you get in a Lp640 you forget all the driving skills :|

Haha ok

I had to bring this topic back.

Ha ha, oh man after a whole page of explanation to why such crashes happen, your still are clueless on everything that was said.

One thing I can tell you that I'm glad I have learned over the years, try to learn as much as you can from people around you. This way you can be certain on the opinion you believe in.



:shock: I'm not even going to bother on this one

You are quite correct sir.. ;)

Good idea, but what about the guys who buy the car used from "Fast Freddies Ferrari Plot"? ;)

Yep very true!

What about what they do with bikes, in Europe you can only ride a bike with 25kw till your 21, after that you can have a busa :twisted: :wink:

Still I think its due to the individual driver not the age, though experience does help :P

very stupid & reckless driver .... speeding on that very narrow street and in the end couldn't calculated the breaking distance.

Its not about the speed! its about the idiots behind the wheel!!! :?

"speeding on that very narrow street" + 1 cross section = idiots!
"couldn't calculated the breaking distance" = Amazingly totally idiots!
To be more soft, then I type "very stupid & reckless driver" ...
:P :twisted: :shock: :( :D