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stracing 11-27-2003 07:59 AM

Just bought some Ferraris
 
I really did..F1 cars in fact!!!
These are BBR Models, built by the best. Fully hand made. 1:43 Scale. So they are like $300AUD a car. Too bad these resize don't show the true quality. Have a look with your own eyes when you come across one. You'll love the quality. Some of their road cars are even better.

links to hi-res ones just to give you a glimpse of their quality
F2002 French GP
F2003-GA Launch Version

F2002 of the French GP
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...f_DSC02927.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...f_DSC02928.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...f_DSC02929.JPG

F2003-GA Launch Version
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...f_DSC02924.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...f_DSC02925.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...f_DSC02922.JPG

stradale 11-27-2003 08:28 AM

Cool, BBR builds very good models! My dad builds a lot of kits himself (mostly road cars/classic Ferrari's) including BBR kits, which are very well engineered and detailed. The quality of the paint and spraying on their ready-mades is extraordinary.

Do you have BBR road car models as well?

TT 11-27-2003 08:31 AM

It is very very nice!!

And BTW, some day ago I bought a De Loren.. and a special one LOL

http://www.flytrap.it/public/ttsib/delorean4.jpg

Made by Vitesse and for less than 40 USD, the quality is superb IMO.

Chingachgook 11-27-2003 08:46 AM

GREAT! the De Lorean from Back to the Future! :wink:

stradale 11-27-2003 08:57 AM

Budget models such as Vitesse, Minichamps, AutoArt, Ixo etc. have improved considerably in recent years as you can see from the picture of the Delorean. BBR, MR etc. have to improve as well IMO to justify their higher prices.

TT 11-27-2003 09:04 AM

Indeed, I usually buy IXO, Vitesse or Autoart (as for 1:43 I mean), and the quality is really great. But when I noticed the opening door on the DeLorean and the detail inside, I was amazed, and happy I choosed it instead of the nice old Mercedes S-Class limo that tempted me the same day LOL

To bad we don't have BBR models around here :( afaik...
That Ferrari is amazing :D

stracing 11-27-2003 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stradale
Cool, BBR builds very good models! My dad builds a lot of kits himself (mostly road cars/classic Ferrari's) including BBR kits, which are very well engineered and detailed. The quality of the paint and spraying on their ready-mades is extraordinary.

Do you have BBR road car models as well?

i have F2000 BBR kit sitting here. i really don't how to go about it because of the size. i normally build 1:24 scale tamiya kits and sometimes its hard enough to get to exact detail.

no i don't have any road cars. i'm a schumacher fanatic so i only collect anything schumacher. when i get my glass cabinet i'll show off my collection. if i was to collect roads cars i'd go broke. BBR ain't cheap. however if there is a challenge stradale coming out i'll buy that. i've seen a 1:24 scale of of the 360 spider, i almost fainted. it was just so god damn good. anyways, for road cars i like to build them myself. current car i'm building is a toyota celica for my friend, but i'll be building the supra as well.

TT, does vitesse have a website? to be honest i've never heard of them.

also another reason why they are so good (and why its so expensive) is their rarity. the models i've shown, only 300 were built. the 360 spider i mentioned only 70 were built. i have another schumacher which in a safe box, only 50 were made. i spent more than a $1000 on it.

TT 11-27-2003 09:11 AM

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TT, does vitesse have a website? to be honest i've never heard of them
I had no idea, so I did a search and look what I found LOL: Vitesse is no longer producing any models. They are out of business and now, another company in China is making models from their molds

In effect the logo on the DeLorean case is different from the previous one.. so I wonder if it's already a "chinese" one...

stracing 11-27-2003 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stradale
Budget models such as Vitesse, Minichamps, AutoArt, Ixo etc. have improved considerably in recent years as you can see from the picture of the Delorean. BBR, MR etc. have to improve as well IMO to justify their higher prices.

you got to remember those budget models are made by machines, off a production line. BBR and others like Model World are made by hands. So a margin of error is forgiveable. but really, you have to look very very very closely for any errors. so i think those high prices are justified. plus, which i mentioned earlier, they are rare. extremely rare.

stracing 11-27-2003 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TT
To bad we don't have BBR models around here :( afaik...
That Ferrari is amazing :D

you are so wrong dude!!! hehe
22 places that stock BBR models

http://www.bbrmodels.it/pages_uk/dis...p/svizzera.cfm

TT 11-27-2003 09:18 AM

Rarity is very cool :D

The most rare models I have are not as rare as yours... I have a 80s Merc 200 T that is one of 1824, a 206 WRC (2001) over 5000 made and an EVO VI Tommy Makkinen edition that is one of 3000..

Still pretty low compared to the world, but not as good as 50 :D

And thanks for the BBR list for Svitzerland :D There is one in Lausanne too, and I never heard about that shop LOL

stracing 11-27-2003 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TT
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TT, does vitesse have a website? to be honest i've never heard of them
I had no idea, so I did a search and look what I found LOL: Vitesse is no longer producing any models. They are out of business and now, another company in China is making models from their molds

In effect the logo on the DeLorean case is different from the previous one.. so I wonder if it's already a "chinese" one...

well the model should come with a serial number or similar. if the number still works give them a call. thats how i check with my schumacher cars from Hot Wheels. There are some fake hot wheels around. :x

TT 11-27-2003 09:25 AM

Don't worry, I'm not really that implicated :D And if Vitesse was simply "bought" by that Chinese maker, no problem at all... I just collect 1:43 models because I like them :D

stracing 11-27-2003 09:38 AM

thats cool.
i'm picky with mine. i always find the best one in the shop. if the decal is slightly off i won't be happy with it.

i suggest you keep collecting die-casts. don't ever go building plastic kits. like me i thought i'll just build the Ferrari 310B, but now i'm hooked on them. i just can't stop building them now. i have more cars in my cupboard than i could build. :| i've just spent too much on models, die-casts and plastic kits.

stradale 11-27-2003 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stracing
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Originally Posted by stradale
Budget models such as Vitesse, Minichamps, AutoArt, Ixo etc. have improved considerably in recent years as you can see from the picture of the Delorean. BBR, MR etc. have to improve as well IMO to justify their higher prices.

you got to remember those budget models are made by machines, off a production line. BBR and others like Model World are made by hands. So a margin of error is forgiveable. but really, you have to look very very very closely for any errors. so i think those high prices are justified. plus, which i mentioned earlier, they are rare. extremely rare.

That's not really true. The parts are mostly made by machines, but they're put together by hand. Also painted details, such as the rubber window linings, are usually handpainted. Pretty much all manufacturers like Ixo and AutoArt have factories in China, which explains why they can build these models by hand for the prices they charge. BBRs are higher quality, but they are built in Italy. That's also a huge factor in their price.

gis 11-27-2003 10:04 AM

wow those are some nice models stracing,i dont collect the F1 cars,but everytime i see one i look at it,in the shop near me they have a david coulthard one in right now.looks awesome

TT the de lorien is cool,ive never seen it b4 till u showed a couple weeks back,lol and u only figured out the doors open a few hours after you bought it,LOL

i collect road cars really,from a few manufacturers.not really any rare ones,but a couple nice ones IMO,includin my pretty rare black toyota supra :mrgreen:

my list :

New mini cooper
Audi TT roadster
Ford escort RS cosworth
Volkswagen W12
Porsche carrera
Aston martin DB7
Aston martin vanquish
Pontiac trans am firebird
Ferrari 360
Ferrari enzo
Dodge viper SRT-10
Lambourghini murcialago
Lambourghini diablo GTR
Chevrolet corvette Z06
Ford mustang SVT cobra R
2003 Ford mustang cobra
Fast and furious toyota supra
Fast and furious mitsubishi eclipse
Fast and furious Mazda RX7
2 Fast 2 Furious toyota supra
Volkswagen beetle RSI
Mitsubishi lancer evo 6
Mitsubishi lancer evo 7
Subaru impreza WRX STI
Nissan skyline R34 GT-R
Honda S2000
BMW M3 coupe
BMW M3 GTR (street version)
MKIV toyota supra (drooool :P )

TT 11-27-2003 10:08 AM

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and u only figured out the doors open a few hours after you bought it,LOL
And by mistake LOL. I was just putting it back in the box and a door moved LOL :D

stradale 11-27-2003 10:17 AM

What scale are they gis?

I have too much to make a list of. Lots of different scales, ranging from 1:18 to 1:87 (tiny, I know, but I have an F40 from Herpa in that scale of which both the hood and the engine bay can be opened and it even has engine detail!)

Nowadays I stick to 1:43, which doesn't take a lot of space and has detailing to match larger scales. I used to go to this bourse which is held four times a year near Utrecht with my dad. I think it's the largest in Europe. It's huge. Lots of people from the UK, Belgium, Germany, France and even Italy go there to buy or trade models. You can find anything there and (can't hide the fact I'm dutch, lol) for good prices as well. Too bad I don't go there as often anymore. So if you guys are interested in models I can recommend it to you!

EDIT: The NAMAC bourses attract about 4000 visitors and have over a kilometre of table length. http://www.namac.nl/pagina_beurzen_data.htm

stracing 11-27-2003 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stradale
That's not really true. The parts are mostly made by machines, but they're put together by hand. Also painted details, such as the rubber window linings, are usually handpainted. Pretty much all manufacturers like Ixo and AutoArt have factories in China, which explains why they can build these models by hand for the prices they charge. BBRs are higher quality, but they are built in Italy. That's also a huge factor in their price.

i thought they were just like hot wheels. i know hot wheels just come straight from machines. the decals are probably done by hand though. otherwise if everything else is done hand i don't know how they spit out 25,000 models in a short period of time.

one thing i don't ilke about those low budget ones is the paint. they always come out dull. everytime my friend buys one, i just have to polish it up for him, otherwise i don't feel comfortable even tho its not mine.

stracing 11-27-2003 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stradale
I used to go to this bourse which is held four times a year near Utrecht with my dad. I think it's the largest in Europe. It's huge. Lots of people from the UK, Belgium, Germany, France and even Italy go there to buy or trade models. You can find anything there and (can't hide the fact I'm dutch, lol) for good prices as well. Too bad I don't go there as often anymore. So if you guys are interested in models I can recommend it to you!

gis, maybe you should go if you haven't found your supra yet :)

i'll be building the tamiya kit of the supra, so watch that. it'll be in telefonica blue. if you don't know the colour, search for the telefonica gp bikes. thats the blue i'm putting down.

gis 11-27-2003 10:25 AM

LOL,stracing,look at my list right at the bottom,the black toyota supra :P

stradale,all the models i have are 1:18 scale.there is one model that i have been searching for since early this year but unfortunately not bein made any more and thats the 1:18 scale subaru impreza 22b.

stradale 11-27-2003 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stracing

i thought they were just like hot wheels. i know hot wheels just come straight from machines. the decals are probably done by hand though. otherwise if everything else is done hand i don't know how they spit out 25,000 models in a short period of time.

one thing i don't ilke about those low budget ones is the paint. they always come out dull. everytime my friend buys one, i just have to polish it up for him, otherwise i don't feel comfortable even tho its not mine.

Like I said, the paint on the BBRs is top notch! Cheaper models can't match it.

About the factories in China: I suspect they're big and have lots of employees. Besides, every worker is trained to do just one bit and not to assemble an entire model. They can do their job really fast. Just think of those little umbrella's for ice cream and cocktail drinks. They're handmade as well. They hardly cost any money and the output is enormous.

TT 11-27-2003 10:28 AM

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1:18 scale subaru impreza 22b
At least I managed to have an 1:43 Autoart of it :D

stradale 11-27-2003 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gis
LOL,stracing,look at my list right at the bottom,the black toyota supra :P

stradale,all the models i have are 1:18 scale.there is one model that i have been searching for since early this year but unfortunately not bein made any more and thats the 1:18 scale subaru impreza 22b.

What manufacturer made this 22B?

stracing 11-27-2003 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gis
LOL,stracing,look at my list right at the bottom,the black toyota supra :P

:oops:
i saw the drool, so i thought you still needed it. and i missed your 3rd paragraph.

gis 11-27-2003 10:43 AM

lol,the 22b i want is 1:18 scale by auto art,ie wanted this one ever since i started collecting.

stracing 11-27-2003 10:54 AM

when did you start collecting?
don't you just hate the feeling that you started late?
i followed schumacher's career since 1992 and now i wished i've started buying his models then. they used to sell $50AUD and now they're all at least a couple hundred for the minichamps.

i also wish i knew they would go up in value, i would of bought a few senna, prost or mansell cars as well

gis 11-27-2003 11:13 AM

i started about a year ago,and yeah i wish i had started earlier,i had the idea of gettin them for a while and saw them and i just droooled.and my mum and dad said u would never have room to put them anywere,well,i started and they let me put up shelves around,but they were right,i aint got much room left,but ill find sumwere.LOL

im goin to the shop this saturday and im gonna get another 3-4 models i think.

i have a minichamps model,the M3 GTR street,its awesome

gis 11-27-2003 01:53 PM

check this out for a 1:12 size model (lambourghini fans)

http://www.autoartmodels.com/pages/o...borghini_1.htm

stracing 11-27-2003 03:31 PM

man you made me drool. but i think i can live without them :?

nothing can beat these tho, without counting the 1:12 working replica hehe
http://www.amalgam-models.co.uk/Page...rterscale.html

gis 11-27-2003 03:34 PM

god dam those are nice,i love the 360 modena one,its awesome.the price is a lot though,lol.

lol,stracing u mean u can live without the street car models?

stracing 11-27-2003 03:45 PM

yep!!! i don't want to go broke haha maybe when life settles i'll get a few.
i haven't got one for myself yet. the only road car die cast i have is the honda s2000 which i got for my b'day.

gis 11-27-2003 04:08 PM

nice,the s2000 is a very nice car in the model

how many other models have you got altogether?

cho_888 11-27-2003 04:44 PM

nice photos what sort of camera was it, it used a low f-stop

SFDMALEX 11-27-2003 04:53 PM

Guys what do you think of Burago? Are they considered to be cheap(bufget) models?

TT 11-27-2003 05:22 PM

Burago are not really that good IMO.. for cheap 1:18 IMO Maisto is better than Burago as for details compared to price.
Sure an Autoart is way better :D

gis 11-27-2003 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Guys what do you think of Burago? Are they considered to be cheap(bufget) models?

i have one Burago medel,and its the only one im goin to buy,was pretty disapointed with the detail.so yes to me they are one of the budget models.

if i see a cheaper model that i like il make sure its Maisto one as for the budget models they are one of the best IMO.
but TT is right,you cant beat the quality of an auto art model,and fro owning 2 kyosho ones aswell,they are just as sweet.

Chaos in 1983! 11-27-2003 07:38 PM

How about How Wheels, now they are the only ones that can make Ferrari replica...are they good?

SFDMALEX 11-27-2003 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaos in 1983!
How about How Wheels, now they are the only ones that can make Ferrari replica...are they good?

I got a hot wheels ferrari F2001 and I gotta say it's not bad considering that I payed 30CDN for it.

gis 11-27-2003 07:56 PM

yeah hot wheels arent bad.i think i paid £24 each for the 360 and enzo and they arent bad

666fast 11-27-2003 08:07 PM

I've only got three 1/43 scale models.
Impreza WRC car by Ixo
Nismo Skyline GTR by Ixo
Tommy Makinen Evo by Vitesse.
It's the 3000 edition one TT is talking about. Which number is yours TT? Mine is #0926

I've got one 1/18 scale car
1953 Corvette by The Franklin Mint

TT 11-27-2003 08:13 PM

mine is #2745 :D cool!

SFDMALEX 11-27-2003 08:17 PM

Guys, anybody know the name of the company that speed chanell advertises some times? Their models look amazing. I think its something like "moto".....


Edit I found out. Its EXOTO.

Look at this

http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...rontOnFlag.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...50_Cockpit.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...0_TopOpen2.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...ontQuarter.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...0_Interior.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/..._Headlight.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...ontQuarter.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...G18182_Top.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/...ccessories.JPG

gis 11-27-2003 08:43 PM

wow,that is a GT40 right

there was a 1:12 scale ford GT40 in the shop i go to and was for sale at £539,i drooled everytime i saw it,the detail was fantastic.

there is also a rare rally one there for £90,a richard burns subaru impreza,its a stage he won that is a memory to it,its number 795 of 1750 if i remember correctly

TT 11-27-2003 08:46 PM

What scale are those models SFD?

alondahan 11-27-2003 09:10 PM

312 T nice 8)

I have a 312 T4 1:18 :wink:

stracing 11-27-2003 10:15 PM

gis: i have about 25 die-cast on schumacher. the honda s2000 is from maisto which i don't think its that good. there wasn't even a photoetched part of the brake caliper. but i following the old adage "what you pay is what you get". as i said before i like to build my own road cars.

cho: its just a sony 3.2MP. whats f-stop? as you can see i'm not an expert photographer, hence i got a point and shoot camera. maybe i'll go up a bit and get a cannon g4 or get a SLR.

chaos: hot wheels are alright. i've got all of schumacher cars since 2000 and one
or two from previous years.

sfd: yeah those exoto are mad. they pay so much attention to detail.

gis 11-27-2003 10:21 PM

wow,i didnt know maisto made the s2000,my s2000 is from auto art and is pretty well detailed.kinda light in weight aswell compared to all the other auto art ones i have.

i wish i could take pics,i mean i could,but i suck at using a digital camera.lol

666fast 11-28-2003 12:58 AM

I want those models from Exoto that SFD posted. those are nice!
Have any of you ever seen the resin models? They are pretty cool, but super expensive.

stradale 11-28-2003 12:15 PM

Those EXOTO models have great detailing, but I know of a man who gives his models the same level of detailing... in 1:43! He's a Frenchman named Jacques Brauer and he uses white metal kits like AMRs (which are very good kits with already lots of detail) as his starting point. He builds chassis', suspensions and makes sure that all doors, hoods, bonnets and everything can open. I'll say it again, this is in 1:43!!

Here are some pictures from his website (http://jacques.brauer.free.fr)
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/anim4.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/anim5.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/anim.gif
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/f11.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/b7.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/f16.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/b14.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/dayt3.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/AMDB6-4.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images...oncapsheme.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/AMDB6-5.jpg



On a whole different level, Burago's aren't that well detailed, but usually the shape of the body is pretty good. So they can be used for upgrading. There are even kits available for that.


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