You do realize that this entire thread you've just been saying it isnt that difficult, and that you basicly have the solution for world hunger :P

You gonna catch my leg?

Ok Im gonna catch your throw :roll:

Kinda like you say you are trained to see body movement.

Well Im trained to hit any shit that is coming at me from any angle and any direction :P

Wrestlers catch legs all the time. Thats part of the training.. If it comes towards you or away, we are trained to catch the leg either way. YOu dont catch throws.

Theres no arguement there.. If a wrestler can only strike you hes screwed.. But he has more weapons and more defenses that are ingrained then you think.

Oh hold-fucking-on there buddy.

I never once under estimated your ass.

You've been underestimating me and alikes the whole thread, thats kinda the whole argument.

Kinda like you cant fight any man on earth and beat anyone who hasnt practiced formal wrestling.


Oh so you didint actually have a bare knuckle fight with a man 3x your size...

Why did you even bring it up then?

I never said formal wrestling.. I said wrestling grappling training. And I didnt say me.. I said Im old and retired.. I said an inshape top of his game top wrestler.

You said you could get up and off the ground. A man 3x my size tried that and failed.. He was allowed to punch, kick, bite.. whatever.. He didnt manage to get off a single one.. I had his hands behind his back as quick as you can punch.

I also told you a few of my experiences against strikers.. Including one against the Jiujitsu roomate.. AS I said, i have a low opinion of it.. But he didnt do to well at striking me with gloves on either.. and my striking knowledge is limited to fights when I was 10.

You dont kick in wrestling, you catch legs, but I dont think you are trained to catch legs that are above the waist line.

Sometimes I want a man to catch my leg, I know plenty of ways to take advantage of that.

You catch my leg I fall on the ground whilst sticking the other leg out and use that in a number of ways to kick you.

I dont catch throws because I am trained to stay up and not go down. Regardles if the action that you mifht take against me.

Just like you are trained to catch any movement, Im trained to hit anything that moves regardles of how they are moving.

Ok, but by the man lying on the floor he is in your domain, one that you are a pro at, I woudlnt expect him to win that fight....but if I biting and puching and kicking is allowed then I wouldnt honestly know till I tried my self.

By you standing and not having me on the ground with my arms pinned behind my back you are in my domain.

Actually.. All the time we do.

To which your trained to catch the other leg. In wrestling what you are describing, sans the actual kick is one of the most common ways to try to escape from a take down (in one form of wrestling where facing your back to the ground loses it, rather then escaping entirely being the key, there are at least 3 different styles with different points and rules). Wrestlers are trained to catch the second one as the man twists and drive to the ground.

The man didnt have his arms pinned to start.. and your arguement was you could get up from that.

As for take down.. Theres tricks to that too.. I use to have a heavyweight in my practice.. So under 300 lbs.. He was not all that great at wrestling.. I could take him down and pin his ass. Its all about leverage and angles, not muscle.

I have failed to see any olympic wrestling match were I saw any from of kicks...

Neither have I seen it in highschool.


If you catch both my legs both your arms are occupied, and I am lying on my back with my fists free to do whatever I wish.


To me the key is what I can do during the take down, not when Im lying on my stomach.

No.. By standing middle distance Im in your domain.. Closer in the pendulum swings back to a wrestler. Furtherout it depends on who has the greater speed.

And you think Im not trained on inside fighting?

How does me throwing an arm punch uppercut aid you in some takedown I dunno....

When you do a shot the feet can go either way.. Your trained to gain control of them. A kick hurts if your hit, but theres not much difference in catching a fast moving leg, comming to you or away.. And since throws sometimes often involve legs they can and do get caught at head height.

Even you have to admit your not going to get very far in that situation... No power behind your punches from that angle.

Then of course theres the upper body throws.. You swing with your fist, the wrestler ducks (definitly possible as thats the setup for 90 percent of shots, though its a fast reach not a fist.. he takes your momentum.. hips in.. and your flinging through 5 feet of air.. At that point you cant hit.. or at least not hard enough to make a difference.. your in the air).

If Im in close you dont have an arm to hit with. ITs too late. Even Crokroc shows that pretty well.. Man isnt no fool.. he keeps his distance to mid to far. Tactical advantage swings to the wrestler the minute he actually has his hands on you. Your tactical advantage is to keep his hands off you. It really comes down to if you can knock him out before he gets ahold of you. At the MWA level its proven thats not what happens.

See this clip

http://www.is-mad.com/upload/userfil...lvin-brock.gif

This is a slowed down gif, on live TV everyone missed that punch. :P