I love this vid, thanks! 8)

The racing regulations allowed for a max of 600hp I believe, so the restrictor brought the power down from 627hp+ to 600hp, so almost 30hp drop.

but isn't it upto the factory to restore as much power as possible given the restrictor which is placed... All race teams do this... it's never an "even" playing field in GT1 cars, GT2 cars, Prototypes etc. etc. ... not just different chassis...

one possiblity is that Macca added tons of torque, but were able to keep it at a "legal 600 hp" or so... torque wins races ;)

You are absolutely right Sentra! :)

F1 road car:
Power: 627 bhp @7500 rpm
Torque: 480 lb-ft @5600 rpm
Weight: 1140 kg

1995/6 F1 GTR
Power: 600 bhp @7500 rpm
Torque: 527 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Weight: 1050 kg which dropped to 1012kg in 1996 and 915kg in 1997

1995 F40 LM GTE
Power: 630 bhp @ 7300 rpm
Torque: 520 ft lbs @ 5000 rpm
Weight: 1100 kg



F1 LM
Power: 680 bhp @7500 rpm
Torque: 519 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Weight: 1062 kg

so it looks like I was right as well? ;)

The veyron is overpowered rowing boat that is only fast in straightline.
The mclaren f1 a is f1 racing boat fast and nimble.
And it thougt that flemke re engineerd the suspension on his mclaren and fitted better brakes?
:D :?:

^^ Indeed, nice to see you understand Pagani! 8)

I think not
The mclaren f1 still faster than the ferrari enzo round a track even if it's weaker chassis and weaker brakes than a modern supercar.
90's technologic and still beats all current supercars round a track.
So it's still the king.
:D :wink:

what track, what form of F1 (how many F1's do we have to have to get a fast one around a track?) Is the suspension as the factory set it Originally

Any trackday king with a F1 can have the geomoetires re-set... but... lets look at the video originally posted, and tell me that is somehow faster around a track then an Enzo. It just isn't.

It doesn't beat the new supercars, and it didn't beat the old supercars either.

Jag XJ220 = superior cornering, steering feel
Vector W8 = superior cornering, power, tire tech, safety, steering feel
EB110 = superior in almost every way as well, particularly if you opt for one of the 9 real EB110 SS models with over 700 hp.
F40 = superior handling, steering feel

The F1 is a loose can of tuna with an a mazing engine.

And, pagani, I guess you didn't read my previous post when I was responding to Sameer regarding the F1 LM Long short tail GTR's engine prowes (only 600 hp... but I suggested it must be way up in torque over 'factory' 480 ft. lbs... which it is)

Anyway if want to have a buggati why not for go the eb 110 supersport.
That is the ulimate bugatti.

Anyway the ruf ctr2 sport owns them all.

:D :wink:

Until you get all these cars on a track at the same place and time, your speculation as to the best on the track is as good/as bad as anyone else's. You have your own third party sources and negative opinions, we have our sources and positive opinions :roll:

Sadly, there isnt a road test with a F40, VEctor, XJ220 and EB110. Maybe you can organize one for the 0-100?

Got facts to back up your info?

Your "superior" this and that is subjective.
Who the heck talks about the Vector?!

What's the Power to Weight Ratio of both the Enzo and the F1?

Pagani, He did mention the EB 110 SS "SUPER SPORT" :wink:

At the end of the day it's al up to the driver.
:D 8)

First off, by now, I'd think that everybody on JW knows im a performance fanboy of the Vector W8 (not the M12!) :P The vector in fact out corners a F40 via Road and Track figures; and had the highest skidpad ever tested at that time for a production car with ajusted suspension gemoetry (1.25 G skidpad... not just on a road course where that will likely happen at some point)

I did say EB110 SS ;)

And, there is another older ruf which is faster then the CTR... a special slantnose BTR that Alois holds close to his heart :)

and my facts and figures to back up the claims? The videos have been evidence for one, as well as the reviews in them. Laptimes have helped as well, people I know who have driven the cars in question at length, and have even owned/ or do own them currently.

Am I bias? Well, i think the F1 is ugly as sin... but thats subjective ;)

with some of those, that may be possible... EB110's are harder to come by still...

I agree with some others here in that the Vector does not belong in this discussion, since we're are talking about the F1, considered by many to be one of the best engineered performance (from a mechanical engineering standpoint at least) cars in history.

I always find it amazing how people can compare the quality of design (technically, that is, and not just visually) of a car between things like the F1, current Ferrari's, Porsches, etc. with things like modified turbocharged Vipers, Vettes, Supras, Camaros, LTDs, Vectors, etc. They simply aren't in the same ballpark.

If you have had a look at the definitive book on the creation of the F1 'Driving Ambition' by Doug Nye, you begin to understand what I mean...