i don't think you should ever expect to be hit in the head with anything even if you are the away side or not. i also do work at the brisbane bullets and am there on the game nights and i can tell you no one would ever do what that fan (if you can call him a fan) did it is just wrong. i think jackson was way to fired up and was just looking for a fight as he was trying to go some of the pistons players so he got what he deserved.

^ agree i have seen much worse fouls then the one artest did and i have seen ben commit some fouls worse then that so he needed to get more then just 6 games that is crap.

i'll take you up on that one gray

By the way, everyone seems to be neglecting the fact that the whole brawl was started by wallace. Wallace had fouled Artest a bit too enthusiastically before the flagrant by Artest. And the flagrant wasn't even that bad. Then that bitch Wallace went after Artest. And then he started throwing shit at Artest, which obviously was a sign of encouragement to the drunks at courtside. Anyways, for some reason, he only got 6 games. I don't really know what was the whole deal with Artest going intot he crowd. Yeah, he got the wrong guy, which he should be punished for, but those two fat fucks who came onto the court deserved to get their asses kicked, o'neal is just lucky that he didn't connect.

Why? Cause its illegal to fight in this country. Especially when it deseminates a brawl.

Fighting among players.. ok.. bad but not end of the world.

Hitting fans who pay your bills on national tv and insiting a riot.. Criminal. At least that jackass artest wont be a millionare after this.

Wallace should have got the same as Artest got as that would show that it is not exceptable to do what he did and start the whole thing. couldn't agree more stikz Wallace acted like the biggest bitch out there.

biggest bitch out there? should have got the same as artest? why?

yes he pushed artest first but i never saw wallace throw anythin at him,wallace didnt go into the crowd,wallace didnt hit a fan who wasnt the one to blame for throwing sumthin,wallace didnt repeatidly go after fans for no reason,yeah ok those 2 fat guys who came onto the court shoudlnt have been there but at the same time if artest wasnt a retard he woudld have known that he shoudl have just walked away,not punch the guy in the face and then o'neal doin the same....WHY.....

wallace shouldnt have got the same as artest,yes he made the first move of the push which he has got banned for but liek i said he never went intot he crowd and never hit fans for no reason.

Wallace actually through stuff at Artest and still chased him down even when Artest had walked away. Wallaces actions where what made the situation as bad as it was if you seperate the two parts of the fight then yes his ban is fine and should get the six for fighting on the court but it was his actions that made it worse then it should have been and so to send a message he should have got more or the same as what Artest got as he played a bigger part in it then most people think. i have talked to some refs and they say both Artest and Wallace should be gone for life and most agree that what ever the max was for a pacer then the same should have been give to Wallace as a sign that this is not going to be put up with and is not exceptable.

/\/\/\ You're absolutely right about Wallace, he threw a gauntlet and a towel at Artest. And the stupid fuck would not walk away, Artest didn't do anything. And gray as for the two fans who walked onto the court you could see that they were ready for trouble. The first fat ass even had a little bounce going like he was ready to throw down. And the first guy was never actually punched by Artest, he just grabbed him and asked was it you. You can see Artest couldn't throw a punch because the guy in the blue shirt had a hold of him.

I gotta admit, i'm more than a little biased because the pacers used to be my favourite team until the raptors arrived in toronto, but i still feel that wallace got off way too lightly because it was his actions that actually incited the brawl.

what your forgetting to add to it is the pacers players got the longest bans because of the crowd incident.if wallace had gone into the crowd and punched a pacers fan im quite sure he would have been banned like artest,the reasons artest,jackson and o'neal got longer bans,no less than 25 games is because they DID hit the fans,thats why they got the bans.yes wallace initiated the brawl from the push,i didnt see but if he threw sumthin at artest then ok he got the ban for that but he kept it within the court/players not the crowd.artest and his pacer buddys didnt,they hit one fan after the other thats why they got the longer bans

the guy that held Artest back was the guy that throw the cup at him they identified him as he used to live beside the da that was investigating the whole thing then he started to hit Artest in the back of the head so Artest didn't hit anyone till they came on the court and shaped up to him. agree they got he bans for actually hitting the fans but the length was done to make a point so if you are going to do that Wallace should have had more done to him to make a point also.

lol no not really.artest still went into the crowd and put his hands on a fan.hit him or not,from what it looked liek at first he grabbed the guy and whacked his head ont he seat a few times,what im saying is they got the lenghy bans because they went into the crowd and made physical contact with them,thats why they got the bans,im sure if the pushing and shoving and possible hitting was on the court between just the players the ban for artest wouldnt be a season ban,maybe the same as wallace,but the lengh was because of the physical contact with fans

yeah the ban is because of the contact with the fans and he wouldn't have got anywhere near as long if it was just on the court and if the fan hadded thrown the cup nothing more would have happened and Artest wouldn't have got anything as he backed away but i just think 6 for Wallace is a bit soft for the whole thing.

hmmm,6 games isnt a lot i know compared to artest and the other pacer guys,but then again wallace didnt do half the stuff the others did,only start it with the push so he got the ban for 6 games.

as i said earlier in the thread artest did that to get time off for his music CD album thingy,lol thats why he did it IMO

geez, africanmojo you should learn to use some commas and full stops in your posts, its just one long string of words atm. :shock:
The Pacers are going ok since the suspensions, have won 2 of 3 including a win over Minnesota today. :D

yeah they are doing VERY well.i watched them play against the celtics on tuesday and they beat them by quite a few points.these players are showing that they are actually pretty good

i don't understand why wallace would have thrown punches, it was a detroit home crowd. His actions fired up the crowd and basically encouraged them. Like hockey has an instigator penalty, he should have also got a similar type punishment. Without Wallace flipping out none of this happens. Why is this never mentioned?

i think i mentioned at one point that if wallace didnt do the push it woudlnt have happened,i know that but at the same time if artest wasnt such a rough player wallace also wouldnt have done it,if the fans were foolish enough to join in....so be it,thats there fault but as i also mentioned if artest,o'neal and jackson had wits about them at all they would have known not to hit the certain fans whether they were pissing them off or not.

i have decided to go for the pacers for the rest of the season as they have had all the top players suspended and they are still winning so i like the character of the team. Not my normal team but you got to give the rest of the guys credit for not lying done and saying well we lost because of the suspensions. also a bit of info you may not have known but jackson got 30 games and his first game back from the suspension is against the pistons at home so that should be one to watch. don't think stern thought about that one.

.....no u don't know the whole story......Wallace had his goons in the crowd....F. Jones got punched in the back of the head by this huge black guy......and then later that same guy was calming Wallace's kids down....so Wallace didn't need to do anything, his goons filled in.... :D

.....no u don't know the whole story......Wallace had his goons in the crowd....F. Jones got punched in the back of the head by this huge black guy......and then later that same guy was calming Wallace's kids down....so Wallace didn't need to do anything, his goons filled in.... :D[/quote]

they asked Shaq if he would do the same thing that Artest did and he said i would handle it corporately. which means he would get the big 6 foot 11 body guard he has to go and take care of it for him and the body guard is about as wide as shaq too. that just goes to show Wallace should have got a lot more but just was a bit smarter about his involvement.

that big 6 foot black guy who punched fred jones was wallace's brother. He got media credentials which is supposedly not allowed. Fucking prick. Now the pacer players are being charged, but nobody else is.

fans are getting charged as well but so far haven't heard more then that just sucks that all this just seems to focus on the pacers and no one else. hope that the fans get some sort of punishment out of this as so far they have gotten away with it.

WHO watches the GAYFL in australia :twisted: lol its so shit and dam man y u a ford man lol holdens all the way
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^ thats a sensational first post man...welcome to JW, I'm betting you'll be here for along time. :twisted:
Whats wrong with the AFL, better then tugby, I mean rugby. :lol:
I do agree Holdens rule though. :)

well just saw that two fans have been banned from the palace for life. So that is good and they are still waiting on the filing of charges against everyone. At least something has finally been done to send a message to fans that the behavour that was displayed is unexceptable.