If your fave car brand asked you to suggest something...

[Sir_GT]

What would you say? :)

I'd tell BMW to add more torque, at a lower RPM range. If the upcoming M5 could shove 700Nm at 2500rpm, I would kill for one. :)

[stracing]

i would tell nissan to bring back Siliva & GTR back to life asap

[WhiteP]

I would tell Honda to make cheaper RWD cars with Vtec!! :D

Integra RWD
Civic RWD

WOW!!

[TT]

I would tell BMW to give me an M3 CSL for a longterm test (let's say a couple of years ;))

[stradale]

^^^ LOL. That's far too easy, TT. I could go on like that for a long time....

I have multiple favourite marques, but I would really like to give Alfa Romeo the advice to start building RWD cars again. Their cars and heritage deserve it.

[SamuraiGti]

Tell nissan to start doing again the Skyline R34, but now for more countries including Portugal.

[HeilSvenska]

Force Porsche to stop making Cayennes, ask Alfa/Fiat/Lancia to build cars with decent reliability and quality, make Honda cars impossible to tune & stop making Element...and on and on...


cheaper RWD cars with Vtec!!


Hell no! RWD should be restrained to only REAL performance cars, not cheapo Asian cars. how would you feel if Hyundai Accent came with RWD?


I would tell Ferrari to produce a cheaper Ferrari, V6


Blasphemy! It's like asking Ferrari to be whored out like Porsche with its Cayenne.

Is VW the only good company? the only company that thinks upward? not downward?

[MAE]

I would tell mercedes to RULE like they RULE now

[astonmartinandy]

I don't think Ferrari should make cheap cars, or mass produce them for profit (i.e. Cayenne) but my recommendation would be for Aston Martin to tell the Euro parliament w*nkers to f*ck right off and re-build the Vantage V600 le-mans, with an updated interior. (mine's in British Racing Green by the way..)

[SPEEDKILLAR]

I would tell mercedes to RULE like they RULE now

No further comments.

[schnell318]

I would ask BMW to build a supercar with the aid of Williams. Maybe with a biger version of the E60 M5 V10, 650bhp so that it could compete (and beat) with the Enzo and the CGT. :D

[astonmartinandy]

That idea's not too bad actually, if Ferrari and McLaren do it, why shouldn't they?? Maybe the brand wouldn't be ideal for supercar racing pedigree and heritage etc.

[Garretts_turbo]

ask chrysler/dodge to re-shape the crossfire's ass, give me the SRT4 in all wheel drive, and get the new viper coupe into production for street use.

[stradale]

(...) the Vantage V600 le-mans, with an updated interior. (mine's in British Racing Green by the way..)

:?: Did I misunderstood or do you have a Vantage?

[DMbaseball1604]

schnell, I agree with you BMW is capable of build much better cars than they do right now...but Porsche being my favorite manufacturer...I think a four-seater is a good idea and they are already developing that car now...other than that I have no suggestions for them...their cars are perfect IMO

[ahmedgiyab]

I would tell mercedes to RULE like they RULE now

No further comments.

No Comment.... :D

[Jabba]

Ferrari to make me chairman of the company :lol: or just to make the fastest car in the world faster than Koenigsegg

[stradale]

I would tell mercedes to RULE like they RULE now

No further comments.

No Comment.... :D

Since when does Mercedes rule? :wink:

Seriously though, if Mercedes is your favourite marque there is quite something to improve on. As everyone, including Mercedes' own bosses, knows, build quality is not up to spec. In recent years the customer satisfaction rate has dropped 20%. That is more than with any other marque. If I were you guys I'd ask them to screw them together a bit more solid.

[Balls]

this is a great post.... really made me think. I'm not sure who my favorite manufacturer is, but if i could be a bit general in my response, I'd have to say that I wish manufacturers installed a wider variety of more accurate gauges. (ie- temp, oil psi, mixture, volts, fuel...)

[Schwalbe]

If your fave car brand asked you to suggest something...

I will say to Audi: "put in application the two recommendations of Brembo". :D


I would ask Audi to start putting turbos on their S versions again not only the RS ones......

Other than that I would also ask them to make the Audi LeMans with the engine it was meant to have, so it would really tear it up, and prove what a great car it really are.....


Hey Brembo, it would be necessary also to recall Audi that RS line should stay turbocharged. :wink:

[Garretts_turbo]

this is a great post.... really made me think. I'm not sure who my favorite manufacturer is, but if i could be a bit general in my response, I'd have to say that I wish manufacturers installed a wider variety of more accurate gauges. (ie- temp, oil psi, mixture, volts, fuel...)

yes, i totally agree!!!! im installing new guages in my car because i dont trust mine at all!!

[antonioledesma]

not my fave' car makers, but the ones I don't like some things:

-Chrysler:stop making cheap'o plastics and improve the built quality (in a city like mine, everything stars to squeeeek, crank, crush and more at 10000 kms)

- VW: the insurance is too high. for a $18k us jetta, the year insurance is $8k us, and a ford mondeo with the same price tag, the insurace goes for $4-6k. So...lower the insurance rates

-BMW,MB,Audi, etc. find a way so I don't have to pay so much money for the taxes

- ALL car manufacturers: convince the goverment to dissapear the "Tenencia" (yearly tax,is for owning a motor vehicle)

[skituner]

bmw- needs to build a supercar; put some of thier older styling back into their cars

porsche- stop the cayanne!!! bring back a front engine car like the old 968, or maybe even a super sedan

audi- needs to make a coupe, and a supercar

mercedes- stop makin cars just for pussies. put a manual transmissoin in a car and take all the damn computers out.

all eurpean car makers- go into the us market!!!!!!!!!!!!

by the way awsome topic idea

[HeilSvenska]

bmw- needs to build a supercar; put some of thier older styling back into their cars

porsche- stop the cayanne!!! bring back a front engine car like the old 968, or maybe even a super sedan

audi- needs to make a coupe, and a supercar

mercedes- stop makin cars just for pussies. put a manual transmissoin in a car and take all the damn computers out.

all eurpean car makers- go into the us market!!!!!!!!!!!!

by the way awsome topic idea


yes
yes
yes they already are
yes, but no
no, we don't want rovers and renaults here besides, Alfa Romeo is returning to US

[oldsnail]

fav car brand? i like all cars and each company has their goods and bads

Toyota: bring back 4wd turbo cars ! ie. celica GT4, SUPRA , RWD corolla (trueno, levin)

Nissan: where is the legendary Red badge emblem!

VW: stop wasting money on buying other compaies and work on your own.

Lotus: just sell yourself again, most of your new parts will be /are japanese. ie
elise vvtiL, and future esprit

BMW: the cheap LED alarm lights found on the rear view mirrors are not pleasant.

Mitsu: gotta work on your line-up, you are only selling lancers.

[levensnevel]

Go back to basics
> max car weight of 1,100 kg
> limit yourself to powersteering and ABS
> throw out all the remaining (electronic) aids, airco and electronic windows included
> enable the driver to change the lightbulbs on his own again

[Sir_GT]

If mercs would rule like they rule now, then they would always be second to BMW. :)

Oh yeah, I visited the local BMW dealer yesterday with my fiance (I wanted her to think about getting a Z4 for herself) and the sales rep brought us downstairs to the garage and I was a little surprised to see a brand new S-class parked there. So I asked the sales rep what was it doing there, and he said: "Somebody traded it in for a 5-series. Now we don't know how we're going to dispose of it because nobody wants to buy one."

[MAE]

HAHHAH oksorry abtthe absence..
I wrote merdes should rule like they do now...
Welli think they should beacuse they do in almost every market they have a car in. And the thing about the quality improovement idont write abt that beacuse we all know that they improove all the time so its given thats why they rule.
And abt that s-class at the bmw dealership. Of course the bimmer salesman would say something like that its called sales strategy so that he cantrickyou into buying a bimmer.hahaha
And if someone traded it for a 5 series i say poor guy to him.hihi

PS:
It wouldnt suprise me if the car is owned by the manager of the Bmw center you went to.
:D :D :D

[stradale]

^^^ Actually, Mercedes didn't improve quality in the last decade or so. It was deteriorating. Even Mercedes itself admits that and has appointed new people to deal with the problems.

Whether Merc rules is debatable, it depends on what you expect from a car, but the quality issues are there to see for everyone. BMW undeniably is ahead on that one.

[oldsnail]

fav car brand? i like all cars and each company has their goods and bads

Toyota: bring back 4wd turbo cars and rwd cars to the lineup! ie. celica GT4, SUPRA , RWD corolla (trueno, levin)

Nissan: where is the legendary Red badge emblem!

VW: stop wasting money on buying other compaies and work on your own.

Lotus: just sell yourself again, most of your new parts will be /are japanese. ie
elise vvtiL, and future esprit

BMW: the cheap LED alarm lights found on the rear view mirrors are not pleasant.

Mitsu: gotta work on your line-up, you are only selling lancers.

[jpatino03]

Force Porsche to stop making Cayennes, ask Alfa/Fiat/Lancia to build cars with decent reliability and quality, make Honda cars impossible to tune & stop making Element...and on and on...


cheaper RWD cars with Vtec!!


Hell no! RWD should be restrained to only REAL performance cars, not cheapo Asian cars. how would you feel if Hyundai Accent came with RWD?



Just because a car originates on different continent doesn't make it any better or worse. Anyway, there's a HUGE difference between Hyundai and Honda. I would call the S2000 and NSX REAL performance cars, and despite its drivetrain the Integra is lots of fun to drive. The trouble is that Honda's RWD cars are both pretty expensive and that needs to change.

[corvette97]

to the corvette manufacturer to change that crap interior

[jpatino03]

I think that the C6 has that taken care of :D

[Sir_GT]

HAHHAH oksorry abtthe absence..
I wrote merdes should rule like they do now...
Welli think they should beacuse they do in almost every market they have a car in. And the thing about the quality improovement idont write abt that beacuse we all know that they improove all the time so its given thats why they rule.
And abt that s-class at the bmw dealership. Of course the bimmer salesman would say something like that its called sales strategy so that he cantrickyou into buying a bimmer.hahaha
And if someone traded it for a 5 series i say poor guy to him.hihi

PS:
It wouldnt suprise me if the car is owned by the manager of the Bmw center you went to.
:D :D :D

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but no. Mercedes has been dogged by quality and reliability issues, something they have failed to address. Who the hell builds a 300,000+ pound supercar and gives it a plastic dash?

Only mercedes mate.

Been inside an A-class recently? or a C-class? or even a low-end E-class? The interior is appaling to say the least, especially at the prices they are charging. Even the new SLK has a shoddy interior. Why not try going into a CLK and take a whiff... PLASTIC!!!

Hell, if mercedes was doing so well, then why were they ranked number 29th out of 36 car manufacturers on Top Gear's recent customer satisfaction survey? Whereas BMW was ranked 9th? That's 20 spaces below chap.

Still believe they rule?

Even the Mclaren-Mercedes F1 team has been dogged by *gasp* engine reliability issues. Something that Mclaren has expected Mercedes to deliver on, but has not. and that's with a $200M++ budget. Tsk tsk.

Oh yeah, about the dealership: Nope, he's just the sales rep, and that wasn't sales talk. That wasn't the showroom garage he brought us to, it was the owner's garage. (for trade-in's and units already bought) There was a brand new S-class, a brand new C-class, a circa-1981 SL, and an E-class wagon among other things. (There were also older range rovers, montero's, etc.) The reason he brought us there was because there wasn't a Z4 on display at the showroom - because they're out of Z4's, seriously.

Oh well, believe what you will. Just keep in mind that BMW is still the brand that will give you what you paid for, while Mercedes will only give you the brand name. :)

[sentra_dude]

Message to all auto-makers: Forget about FWD and automatics, they are retarted, go back to RWD and manual transmissions. Get rid of all the computers already, and lower the weight, it improves everything.

Here's my list:

Nissan - quit with the ugly cars, but keep up the good work with RWD cars

Toyota - bring back turbo cars, esp GT4, MR2 turbo, Supra turbo

Honda - learn what torque is, and convert all cars in line-up to RWD

Mercedes - ahhh, there's almost too much to list...but get rid of Chrylser

BMW - fire Chris Bangle already, I don't care if he got transferred, fire him!

Porsche - kill the Cayenne

VW - RWD GTI!

Audi - forget about quattro, RWD is better!

Ford - discontinue all cars except Cobra, SVT Focus, and GT

Chrysler - Viper SRT-10 GTS time!

GM - kill all non-LS1/2/6/etc powered vehicles, never offer automatic transmission again

Ferrari - about time for that 360 replacement, you're being outclassed by the competition right now

Lamborghini - break away from Audi now that you have learned how to make reliable cars with decent interiors

[Schwalbe]

Wow long list sentra_dude :lol: You are really not satisfied of the automobile industry of today.

[Sm@ck]

I will stick with the original question, and only list one wish from my favorite car brand (even though I do not really have a favortie car brand, I tend to pick the best cars too my liking from each brand)

OK, TVR

I would like you too build the Typhoon with the Nissan skyline engine (RB26DETT) with Mine`s tuning on it!.
Thats my dream car. woohoo!

So ther I have said it. That would be my wish!

[MAE]

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but no. Mercedes has been dogged by quality and reliability issues, something they have failed to address. Who the hell builds a 300,000+ pound supercar and gives it a plastic dash?

Answer: someone who can build a 300000 pound supercar (meaning bmw can not=)

Been inside an A-class recently? or a C-class? or even a low-end E-class? The interior is appealing to say the least, especially at the prices they are charging. Even the new SLK has a shoddy interior. Why not try going into a CLK and take a whiff... PLASTIC!!!

A class is old, C class face lift is really nice, and low end e class is a bit cheap but have you seen the interior of BMW 520i stock it looks like shit and for that matter the interior of a fully loaded 545i looks like shit compared to a fully loaded E500 Avantgarde..

Hell, if mercedes was doing so well, then why were they ranked number 29th out of 36 car manufacturers on Top Gear's recent customer satisfaction survey? Whereas BMW was ranked 9th? That's 20 spaces below chap.

Yeah its a survey but the numbers talk for themselves and mercedes sells more cars the bmw in every segment those both are in ex 7 vs S 5 vs E
Z4 vs SLK and a lot moore.....

Still believe they rule?

Answer: HELL YEAH

Even the Mclaren-Mercedes F1 team has been dogged by *gasp* engine reliability issues. Something that Mclaren has expected Mercedes to deliver on, but has not. and that's with a $200M++ budget. Tsk tsk.

im not gonna discuss thath because i don't understand complexed f1 technology and i believe you dont understand it either

:lol:

Oh yeah, about the dealership: Nope, he's just the sales rep, and that wasn't sales talk. That wasn't the showroom garage he brought us to, it was the owner's garage. (for trade-in's and units already bought) There was a brand new S-class, a brand new C-class, a circa-1981 SL, and an E-class wagon among other things. (There were also older range rovers, montero's, etc.) The reason he brought us there was because there wasn't a Z4 on display at the showroom - because they're out of Z4's, seriously.

The thing with the showroom the cars standing there doenst say anything i saw a guy trading his X5 for a Volvo XC90 here in sweden so??????

Oh well, believe what you will. Just keep in mind that BMW is still the brand that will give you what you paid for, while Mercedes will only give you the brand name.

Yeah Bmw will give you what you pay for if u pay top dollar for a ugly car

:D.
If there is anybrand that is selling on their name nowdays its BMW ppl buy those ugly ass cars just because they are bimmers. In my eyes they aren't bimmers any more BMW always stood for Grate aggressive design and top noch performing cars but NOT ANYMORE. hahaha[/b]

[jon_s]

I would ask Audi not to build their cars in Sapin :?

[Evo]

-I would ask BMW to get back to the drawing board and redesign the mini and make it smaller as it should be..

-I would ask BMW again to redesign the X3 coz it looks ridicules.

-Would ask like to ask BMW to get back in shape to kick MB ass.. :mrgreen: :fist: .

finally
- I would like Mclaren to give me their Mclaren F1 for a test drive. :mrgreen:

[corvette97]

I think that the C6 has that taken care of :D

ye ye, still the interior is not that good looking, i would go less plastic tough

[Sir_GT]

Answer: someone who can build a 300000 pound supercar (meaning bmw can not=)


Have not you mean. BMW does not need to build an expensive supercar just to say to the world: "HEY! LOOK AT US! WE ARE A SPORTY BRAND NOW!!! BUT WE STILL WANT ALL YOU RICH, LAZY, FAT, OLD MEN TO BUY OUR AUTOMATIC CARS AND PICK UP MATERIALISTIC CHICKS AT YOUR COUNTRY CLUB!!! YAR YAR YAR!"

Why?

Because BMW is the STANDARD when it comes to performance regarding passenger cars.

You forget that the legendary mclaren f1 carried a bmw engine, not a Mercedes/amg one.

Besides, that still isn't an excuse to include plastic on a 300,000 pound super...ct.

Like the chap from top gear said: "Next time mercedes, just write mclaren a cheque, and see what they come up with."

So true.

I mean, when they do a GT test, who are always the one's at each other's throats? It's bmw and porsche. Porsche for f*ck's sake. Sure, porsche's 911's will always trounce BMW's offering, (at the moment, the 6 series) but where is Mercedes? NOWHERE mate. BMW's 6 is reputedly/arguably better than a Maseratti, and that's not according to me, that's according to automotive journalists.

I guess that's enough to enlighten you on where Mercedes's performance level stands.

Now about the interior...


A class is old, C class face lift is really nice, and low end e class is a bit cheap but have you seen the interior of BMW 520i stock it looks like shit and for that matter the interior of a fully loaded 545i looks like shit compared to a fully loaded E500 Avantgarde..


You still failed to address the issues I pointed out. The A-class isn't old by any standard, and a face life does not change how poorly the C-class was made. A stock BMW 520i's only problem is that the standard seats are cloth, but those are easily remedied. Then again, its rather obvious that you still cannot seem to properly discern the difference between basic build quality, and pricey add-on's. I will be the first to admit that a fully loaded E500 avantgarde has a nicely designed interior, and expensive leather, but that still does not excuse the amount of plastic present, especially at the price they charge for such a car.

A price which does not give you a good enough engine, or a proper form of transmission control over it, I might add. At least BMW gives you a couple of options, Mercedes does not.

Besides, the 545i's interior is shit compared to the E500's? Lol. Have you been in either, side by side? Please do make a bullet point comparison and prove your point. :) Because at the moment, the survey still stands: consumer's have been UNSATISFIED with what they paid for when they purchased a Mercedes recently.


Yeah its a survey but the numbers talk for themselves and mercedes sells more cars the bmw in every segment those both are in ex 7 vs S 5 vs E
Z4 vs SLK and a lot moore.....


It's a brand thing, and we all know that. Generally speaking, people who can afford Mercs are older, well-off gents who are normally not educated along the lines of vehicle improvement and whatnot. My fiance's dad is a classic case: he will always choose a Mercedes over a BMW, based on his past experiences, for which I cannot blame him. I mean, he never buys car magazines, never reads reviews, never watches shows, and never visits the other brand's showrooms. To him, Mercedes's quality has never changed ever since 1970-something - something which WE (those who are aware of the industry) know for a fact, is no longer true.

Mercedes themselves have admitted to quality and reliability problems. Isn't that enough proof?


im not gonna discuss thath because i don't understand complexed f1 technology and i believe you dont understand it either


Oh I do mate. Believe me I do. But I will simplify it for your sake: It simply means that, even with a stratospheric budget, Mercedes's F1 arm can't seem to push the envelope as much as its other rivals can.


The thing with the showroom the cars standing there doenst say anything i saw a guy trading his X5 for a Volvo XC90 here in sweden so??????


The XC90 is a good SUV. It is in fac't, Volvo's best. In some respects it is better than the X5. As you said: so?

The S-class is Merc's top model though. It is simply just more significant that Merc's top model was traded in for BMW's middle-model.


Yeah Bmw will give you what you pay for if u pay top dollar for a ugly car


That's a matter of opinion. I like the new look. In fact, so do many others. It's already been publicly stated that the new 7 series is selling more units than it ever has since it's creation in the 70's. The 5 is selling more than the last model during that same period. The X5 is the biggest selling German SUV ever. And the BMW is having difficulty keeping up with the Z4's demand.

Mind you, I'm not saying Mercedes makes ugly cars, in fact, they are arguably the most gorgeously designed cars in the market today, (something that I'm sure is helping them maintain the current sales volume) but that still doesn't excuse that fact that they have been shortchanging their clients with shoddy build quality, and an over abundance of plastic in their interiors, especially at such a premium price.


If there is anybrand that is selling on their name nowdays its BMW ppl buy those ugly ass cars just because they are bimmers. In my eyes they aren't bimmers any more BMW always stood for Grate aggressive design and top noch performing cars but NOT ANYMORE. hahaha

Although the exterior designs are subjective to taste, BMW's performance is not. You will not find one article in which the reviewer found a BMW model's performance as "not up to snuff." If anything, BMW has always pushed the envelope with every new model. The new 5 performs better than the old 5; something that every motoring journalist has agreed on. The new 7 completely outperforms the old 7, again something everybody agrees on. The Z4 is obviously much better than the Z3, and so on and so forth.

Oh and please, argue like somebody who's voice has already broken, alright? I can't be bothered to write another argument that has to deal with comments so devoid of intelligence such as: "because they can!" or "NOT ANYMORE. hahaha." :roll:

Sooooo... BMWs outperform Mercs, and BMW's build quality is, as proven by CONSUMERS, much better than Mercedes.

Where does that leave Mercedes-Benz then? Look at the consumer survey mate: twenty spaces below BMW.

Toodles now.

[skituner]

^^^^^AMEN TO THAT

[MAE]

Have not you mean. BMW does not need to build an expensive supercar just to say to the world: "HEY! LOOK AT US! WE ARE A SPORTY BRAND NOW!!! BUT WE STILL WANT ALL YOU RICH, LAZY, FAT, OLD MEN TO BUY OUR AUTOMATIC CARS AND PICK UP MATERIALISTIC CHICKS AT YOUR COUNTRY CLUB!!! YAR YAR YAR!"

Why?

Because BMW is the STANDARD when it comes to performance regarding passenger cars.

You forget that the legendary mclaren f1 carried a bmw engine, not a Mercedes/amg one.

Besides, that still isn't an excuse to include plastic on a 300,000 pound super...ct.

Like the chap from top gear said: "Next time mercedes, just write mclaren a cheque, and see what they come up with."

So true.

I mean, when they do a GT test, who are always the one's at each other's throats? It's bmw and porsche. Porsche for f*ck's sake. Sure, porsche's 911's will always trounce BMW's offering, (at the moment, the 6 series) but where is Mercedes? NOWHERE mate. BMW's 6 is reputedly/arguably better than a Maseratti, and that's not according to me, that's according to automotive journalists.

I guess that's enough to enlighten you on where Mercedes's performance level stands.

Now about the interior...

Well look at this here we have a guy defending a sinking ship...
I promise you that if BMW could made a car in the SLR terrotory they would. You are talking liek this is the firs sporty car mercedes has built you need to check up some history beacuse there have been many...
And then on top of all you say that BMw is the standard when it comes to performence regarding passenger cars. I have to make a correction They WHERE the standard not anymore.Its the same situation when you say that merc built good cars but dont anymore.I didnt forget that the mclaren F1 hand a bmw engine but notice i have never said that Bmw made bad engines they make in my opinion one of the best in the world but dont forget that in the mclarens performance the construction has a grater part then the engine..By the way there are many crazy fast cars with Merc ingenes like the Zonda..And by the way The CLS will eat the Ugly 6 and u know it and you are afraid i know it. hahahhah.And thats like the only place where Mb dont have a competitor at the moment have you ever counted all the other segments where MB has a car and BMW doesnt there are alot.

You still failed to address the issues I pointed out. The A-class isn't old by any standard, and a face life does not change how poorly the C-class was made. A stock BMW 520i's only problem is that the standard seats are cloth, but those are easily remedied. Then again, its rather obvious that you still cannot seem to properly discern the difference between basic build quality, and pricey add-on's. I will be the first to admit that a fully loaded E500 avantgarde has a nicely designed interior, and expensive leather, but that still does not excuse the amount of plastic present, especially at the price they charge for such a car.

A price which does not give you a good enough engine, or a proper form of transmission control over it, I might add. At least BMW gives you a couple of options, Mercedes does not.

Besides, the 545i's interior is shit compared to the E500's? Lol. Have you been in either, side by side? Please do make a bullet point comparison and prove your point. Smile Because at the moment, the survey still stands: consumer's have been UNSATISFIED with what they paid for when they purchased a Mercedes recently.

I dont know what means you are talking about but all the means i know says that the A is old thats ehy a new one is comin. The face lift changes alot and who told u that the C class was poorly made do you want to se something poorly made go take a look at the X3.
Once again i have to say that the 5´s interior is poorly designed and SUCKS alot its really really bad with its stupd looking lnes and large compartments for sunglasses and god knows what.I have driven a 530d and my cousin has a E and i can promise that the e looks better. I HATE THE 5.And im not the only one including old bimmer owners.I dont know about the survey´s but i can tell you that i had alot of probs with my 320i and now i have the S500 and its better then anything BMW pffers belive me i have checked them out.

It's a brand thing, and we all know that. Generally speaking, people who can afford Mercs are older, well-off gents who are normally not educated along the lines of vehicle improvement and whatnot. My fiance's dad is a classic case: he will always choose a Mercedes over a BMW, based on his past experiences, for which I cannot blame him. I mean, he never buys car magazines, never reads reviews, never watches shows, and never visits the other brand's showrooms. To him, Mercedes's quality has never changed ever since 1970-something - something which WE (those who are aware of the industry) know for a fact, is no longer true.
Mercedes themselves have admitted to quality and reliability problems. Isn't that enough proof?
I have one question for u do you think you will be young all your life????
Lets say you get old (i know its hard fo u to belive it) i dont think you will loose your interest in cars. So do you get the point ppl who like cars dont loose with the age OK. so maybe they knows more then you.
By the way Kudos to your fiance´s dad for having a good taste.
At least MB admits if they have a problem BMW just ignore it and makes Slower and uglier Cars.


Oh I do mate. Believe me I do. But I will simplify it for your sake: It simply means that, even with a stratospheric budget, Mercedes's F1 arm can't seem to push the envelope as much as its other rivals can.

No i dont Belive you. By the way tell me when did BMW win a F1 championship????. So all ppl and brands have bad times and days u should know being a BMW (regular cars not f1) supporter...


The XC90 is a good SUV. It is in fac't, Volvo's best. In some respects it is better than the X5. As you said: so?

The S-class is Merc's top model though. It is simply just more significant that Merc's top model was traded in for BMW's middle-model.

Im not gonna discuss this beacuse what do i or you know about why someone trades a S for a 5 maybe they needed a smaller car so its no point in this beacuse both you and i know that there are many Bmw´s at a merc dealer and vice versa...

That's a matter of opinion. I like the new look. In fact, so do many others. It's already been publicly stated that the new 7 series is selling more units than it ever has since it's creation in the 70's. The 5 is selling more than the last model during that same period. The X5 is the biggest selling German SUV ever. And the BMW is having difficulty keeping up with the Z4's demand.

Mind you, I'm not saying Mercedes makes ugly cars, in fact, they are arguably the most gorgeously designed cars in the market today, (something that I'm sure is helping them maintain the current sales volume) but that still doesn't excuse that fact that they have been shortchanging their clients with shoddy build quality, and an over abundance of plastic in their interiors, especially at such a premium price.

What do you meen by many are you talkin about the ppl you have threatned to like BMW or u will kill them??
Well seriously u know that Bmw lost alot of costumers with their new look.
And idont know why u are nagging about the mercedes ripping of their costumers i dont know why ppl by more mercs if they are like u say poorly built and has a lot of plastic and cost more then a bimmer???
By the way Bmw uses a lot of plastic and a UGly type of plastic to.


So where does this leave BMW behing mercedes as always and will always be im sorry thats just the way life goes hahah.
And by the way if u don like my way to discuss then
SHUT YOUR TRAP......

[sentra_dude]

^^^Damn dude...chill out. I don't understand where all this love for Mercedes is coming from...yes they are fast cars, but they sure as hell aren't sports-cars, not a single one. I would venture to say that even your 'oh great SLR' isn't a sports-car, it is just a GT with a shit-load of power.

First off I don't consider something with a torque converter a sports-car, and except for a few of MB's lower models all of the AMGs have autos; I also don't consider something as over-weight as a MB a sports-car...its not the out-right weight that bothers me, its the excess, all this extra shit just to impress people that adds hundreds of pounds on a so-called sporty-car.

I would have thought if you are a member of this site you would enjoy a manual transmission, tight suspension, sports-car over a softly sprung family sedan with an automatic...but I guess you prefer over boosted steering, soft suspension, poor handling & excessive weight...ugh. :roll:

Let's quit the talk about quality for a second here...and which looks better...and which you think attracts more chics. Which one is a driving machine and which is transportation? I don't think there is any contest in this department. Just by that point, that BMW makes cars suited to the person who will go drive their car for no other reason than to just drive, you should all be BMW fans...or at least quit all this gay talk of how BMW sucks...

[MAE]

I love BMW after mercedes they would be my choice i love the old 5 and the 7 and the current 3 and X5 but the way the brand is going now is not the way to go.And im not the only one saying this BMW will never in their life make a car that you can even call a BAD car. Bu they arent at top anymore and thats a shame. you say that merc dont build cars with hard suspension and so on what abt the CLK GTR the CLK DTM AMG i know that theese are limited but you have to understand what the brand stands for and that is luxury and comfort. And now they are making faster cars faster then ever and by the way faster them bimmer around and not just strait forward but also in curves and bends.And u got me right on lving soft fast cars i admit I DOOOO but i also love hard fast cars but not in the loong term. And by the way automatics dont bother me so much and especially not when they are as good as MB automatics but i agree with you that they should have manual trans for those who want it.

So the point is I like BMW htey are cool but for the moment they are behind MB for a while they where in front especially with the old 5 but not anymore and if u dont want to admit it dont but thats the way the story goes....

[Fleischmann]

Aston Martin - please get the weight of your cars down. I understand that they are GT cars, but it has bad influence on the specs.

[Sir_GT]

Good lord...your poor spelling is giving me a headache...

but that's not the point...anyway, here we go...


Well look at this here we have a guy defending a sinking ship...


Whoops. Look who's talking. :roll:

Last time I checked on any public survey, BMW trounced MB. I've even seen surveys where the respondents preferred Audi's...


I promise you that if BMW could made a car in the SLR terrotory they would. You are talking liek this is the firs sporty car mercedes has built you need to check up some history beacuse there have been many...


Yes, I'm aware of them. My late grandfather had an orignal 300SL, and a 250SL. Including the original CL. I'm not saying the SLR is the first, I'm saying it was a poor attempt at regaining lost ground.


And then on top of all you say that BMw is the standard when it comes to performence regarding passenger cars. I have to make a correction They WHERE the standard not anymore.


Really? Mind showing ALL OF US an article where a stock MB outperformed a stock BMW? :) You won't find any mate.


Its the same situation when you say that merc built good cars but dont anymore.I didnt forget that the mclaren F1 hand a bmw engine but notice i have never said that Bmw made bad engines they make in my opinion one of the best in the world but dont forget that in the mclarens performance the construction has a grater part then the engine..By the way there are many crazy fast cars with Merc ingenes like the Zonda..


Just like you pointed out that the McLaren was just as much construction as it was the engine, the same goes for the Zonda. I never said MB doesn't build good engines either.

Mind you, the Zonda has an AMG-tuned V12MB engine. While the Mclaren uses a regular BMW one. It's not M-tuned. :)


And by the way The CLS will eat the Ugly 6 and u know it and you are afraid i know it. hahahhah.


hahahhah. The CLS is a sporty four-door luxury saloon, not a two-door GT. It is therefore much heavier, less agile, and runs on an automatic. I am afraid you're wrong again. hahahha.


And thats like the only place where Mb dont have a competitor at the moment have you ever counted all the other segments where MB has a car and BMW doesnt there are alot.


And? That's a different topic altogether. Toyota beats the hell out of MB if that's the topic that you want to stress. Hell, if you're basis of supremacy and overall quality is based on the amount of market segments covered, then that would mean that Suzuki is a better marque than Rolls-Royce, since Sir Henry Roll's company only has one offering. hahahhah.


I dont know what means you are talking about but all the means i know says that the A is old thats ehy a new one is comin. The face lift changes alot and who told u that the C class was poorly made do you want to se something poorly made go take a look at the X3.


Again, please point out the areas where the X3 is poorly made. Plastic bumbers maybe? So are the Merc's mate. Plastic bumbers are pretty much standard since they comply to worldwide safety requirements for pedestrians. Last time I checked, the "cheap" X3 outperformed MB's M-class. Hmmm...I wonder which SUV buyer got what he paid for? :)


Once again i have to say that the 5´s interior is poorly designed and SUCKS alot its really really bad with its stupd looking lnes and large compartments for sunglasses and god knows what.I have driven a 530d and my cousin has a E and i can promise that the e looks better.


I hope you know that the attractiveness of a car's design is based entirely on one's opinion. You might find the lines of the 5's interior stupid looking, but that's your opinion, and you have every right to have one. That still doesn't change the fact that there is still more plastic in the E-class, and the assembly isn't as well done, even though it charges a higher price.

Simply put; given that a consumer finds the "design" of both interiors equally appealing, (such as myself) I would check for the quality of assembly, and the materials used. Unfortunately for MB, I get better build quality and more premium materials with the cheaper 5-series.


I HATE THE 5.And im not the only one including old bimmer owners.


Again, I will repeat for your sake: BMW's current design is a matter of opinion. Recent surveys (such as mine at the public polls section) show that consumer acceptace is split nearly 50-50. What we are talking about here is overall performance, build quality, and value for money; and at the moment, BMW is ahead on all three.


I dont know about the survey´s but i can tell you that i had alot of probs with my 320i and now i have the S500 and its better then anything BMW pffers belive me i have checked them out.


Sorry to hear about your 320i problems. Sounds similar to those A,C,and E-class woes I've read about. I hope BMW sweden treated you well. :)

Likewise, your age, inability to spell, and lack of any punctuation knowledge highly raises the level of doubt concerning your S-class ownership. :) It may be your father's, and if you're impressed with it, that's great. It's MB's best car. In fact, at the moment, it is arguably their ONLY good car. ;)


I have one question for u do you think you will be young all your life????
Lets say you get old (i know its hard fo u to belive it) i dont think you will loose your interest in cars. So do you get the point ppl who like cars dont loose with the age OK. so maybe they knows more then you.


I didn't fully understand what you were trying to say there, but if you meant that maybe he lost interest with cars which therefore excuses from not knowing the current shoddy state of MB's products, well, let me put it this way...

HE, was never into cars. He bought MB's because during the 1970's, MB's were reputed to be the best cars money could buy. He bought an S-class then, and the one after that, and he's got the current one. I can't blame him for never changing his opinion of Mercedes - he's bought their best car for the last four decades. He's never bought anything else... and he doesn't know any better either. WE (that includes you) are supposed to know better, simply because we are made constantly aware of all the inside information regarding anything related to motoring.


By the way Kudos to your fiance´s dad for having a good taste.
At least MB admits if they have a problem BMW just ignore it and makes Slower and uglier Cars.


Which one is slower? :) Are you aware that ALL German marques except Porsche agreed to a 155mph limit for their products? Even then, stock BMW's regularly destroy stock (sometimes even modified) Merc's regularly on the track.


No i dont Belive you. By the way tell me when did BMW win a F1 championship????. So all ppl and brands have bad times and days u should know being a BMW (regular cars not f1) supporter...


I'm quite aware of their standing. Regardless, BMW has currenly only been in formula 1 for a few years, yet their cars are destroying whatever MB has had to offer. Hell, BAR-Honda and Renault are destroying Mclaren-Mercedes at the moment, and their budgets are smaller.

I'm not saying that Mercedes was never good. I'm saying that they are CURRENTLY not performing like they are expected to. I know that everybody has their day, but it certainly seems like Mercedes is going from bad to worse at the moment.


Im not gonna discuss this beacuse what do i or you know about why someone trades a S for a 5 maybe they needed a smaller car so its no point in this beacuse both you and i know that there are many Bmw´s at a merc dealer and vice versa...


Well, the thing is I'm from the Philippines, a third-world country. The only people who could afford an S-class are the VERY rich. Those who have about 2-4 chauffeurs for each member of the family. 1 for the father of the house, 1 for the mother, and 1-2 for the children. In elementary speak: those that can afford an S-class here, never drive them, so they have no reason to hassle themselves with the size of the car. That's their chauffeur's problem, something which they don't really have any right to complain about.


What do you meen by many are you talkin about the ppl you have threatned to like BMW or u will kill them??


Lol. I'm simply stressing my point.


Well seriously u know that Bmw lost alot of costumers with their new look.
And idont know why u are nagging about the mercedes ripping of their costumers i dont know why ppl by more mercs if they are like u say poorly built and has a lot of plastic and cost more then a bimmer???
By the way Bmw uses a lot of plastic and a UGly type of plastic to.


I'm sure BMW's new look has turned off a lot of traditional buyers. The direction they took was never meant to please everybody anyway. They wanted to start the ball rolling towards a more definitive, and forward-thinking look for the brand, which is exactly what they got.

But, I will repeat, the design is entirely subjected to taste.

More people will buy Mercs because of the brand. It is a well known, and widely accepted fact. If I told some regular joe on the street that an Audi A4 is a better deal for the money than a Mercedes C-class, he would think that I'm mad, but that TRULY is the case. I'm not saying BMW's, Audi, VW, or any other brand is devoid of plastics, I'm simply saying that Mercedes uses MORE plastic than some of the other brands, (which includes BMW and Audi) and STILL charges a price higher than the others.

Basically, when you purchase a Merc, you generally get everything you should get with it: respect from your peers and colleagues, a good looking and luxurious german car, comfortable suspension, and some quirky amenities.

What you DIDN'T get was your money's worth. You could have had all of the above, AND MORE, with less money. That is what the survey represents, regardless of sales. Somebody out there may have finally been able to afford a Merc, but when he realizes that he could've gotten better value with some other car, it may seriously affect his repurchasing decision in the future.


So where does this leave BMW behing mercedes as always and will always be im sorry thats just the way life goes hahah.
And by the way if u don like my way to discuss then
SHUT YOUR TRAP......

Well, unlike you, I'm NOT the one WITHOUT any real evidence or data to disprove that my ship is not sinking.

All I know is that countless surveys, magazine reviews, video comparison, road tests, and intelligent discussions have proven that Mercedes needs to do some serious manueouvers to regain the ground that they have lost to BMW...and to a lot of other German marque's for that matter. ;)

Again, toodles.

[Sir_GT]

Hmmm... I thought I was going to let you breathe, but unfortunately you for you, I'm in a chatty mood. :)

So here we go again...

I love BMW after mercedes they would be my choice i love the old 5 and the 7 and the current 3 and X5 but the way the brand is going now is not the way to go.


So... you're against them destroying Mercedes? lol. You might as well spank Audi and VW for that mate.


And im not the only one saying this BMW will never in their life make a car that you can even call a BAD car. Bu they arent at top anymore and thats a shame.


When were they at the top? It's toyota/lexus that offers the best YGWYPDF* deal. (*You Get What You Paid For) The point being stressed here is that BMW is currently way ahead of Mercedes.


you say that merc dont build cars with hard suspension and so on what abt the CLK GTR the CLK DTM AMG i know that theese are limited but you have to understand what the brand stands for and that is luxury and comfort.


Errr... WHY are you bringing in Le Man's cars? We are talking about their REGULAR consumer products as a whole. We know that they stand for luxury and comfort, we are NOT the ones saying that MB is a performance brand, it is YOU who seems hell bent on convincing yourself (since you won't convince any of us) that they are. (a performance brand)


And now they are making faster cars faster then ever


So is honda. So what?


and by the way faster them bimmer around and not just strait forward but also in curves and bends.


Really? When? Where? Lol. As you said yourself, they are NOT a performance brand, but you still believe they are. :)

At the moment, Mercedes is TRYING IT'S VERY VERY BEST to present itself as a sporty brand, but contradicts it's attempt entirely by offering only an automatic transmission. Although I am happy that the new SLK has a manual offering, (FINALLY!!!) it is rather unfortunate that you can only get the manual WITH THE SLOWEST BLOODY SLK YOU CAN BUY!!! Lol. It is so unfortunate that the AMG V8 version comes with a 7-speed automatic. You can give it a 14-speed auto, and I will STILL outperform you with a manual on the track, every knowledgable bloke knows that.


And u got me right on lving soft fast cars i admit I DOOOO but i also love hard fast cars but not in the loong term.


Then stop trying to convince us that a Mercedes is a "hard fast car."

Because it simply isn't.


And by the way automatics dont bother me so much and especially not when they are as good as MB automatics but i agree with you that they should have manual trans for those who want it.


MB automatics are poor. Audi and BMW make better auto boxes. That is a fact, not an opinion.


So the point is I like BMW htey are cool but for the moment they are behind MB for a while they where in front especially with the old 5 but not anymore and if u dont want to admit it dont but thats the way the story goes....

Mate, it isn't me who has a problem admitting anything. ;)

[MAE]

First of all dont write about your self in we form beacuse as i see it its only you and me in this discussion. I dont have the time to answer question by question.So im gonna lay it out for u to play it out. I and many more will pay alot more Just to se the star on the hood when im driving beacuse i feel good and i didnt in my BMW wich was in my eyes one of the better bmw designs. Im not trying to make mercedes a hard fast car. I belive that you are very very boherd by he fact that Mercedes is moving into a terrotory wich BMW controled and the terretory im talking about is fast every day cars.
And i belive that every car brand in the world wants to sell more cars am i wrong?
At this moment MB is selling alot i know toyota is selling more but thats another league. Right now im talkin about BMW,MB and audi wich cost almost the same well MB a bit more but they are closest. And if u check those brands MB is selling very very many cars and if it is like u say that mb doesnt have value for the money then i dont understand why ppl by them. And i already know ure explenation and that is thath they live on their brand. Why doesnt BMW has a brand that strong ??? i think its beacuse they where behind from the start and they are now to.
And it just happens to be so that right now mb are building very beautiful,comfortable,award winning and fast cars so i think that has a hand in their popularity theese days.....

You say that the S is the only good merc (by the way thnx i know that u dont belive its mine but like a said before in other threads i dont give fuck beacuse i know its mine and i drive it everyday=) have you then forgot about the
SL (where is bmw in this very important and prestigious market)
CL ( where is bmw here and if u say the 6 then u are making fun of bmwbeacuse cl destroys many cars ex aston,ferrari and so on with this car)
CLS ( I just love this car and once again no bimmer here either)
E ( the E is better in every aspect despite what u say)
CLK (just beautiful)
SLR (gr8 performance with my measurements and im sure that the performance of this car will make all car enthusiast smile for days including you. But if u want to count fraction of seconds sitting infront of ure PC the be my guest. By the way this cars is beatiful and dont say anything else i have never seen a bmw and i doubt ii will that has a beauty near the one of SLR)

PS
MERCEDES RULES
:lol:

[sentra_dude]

First of all dont write about your self in we form beacuse as i see it its only you and me in this discussion. I dont have the time to answer question by question.So im gonna lay it out for u to play it out. I and many more will pay alot more Just to se the star on the hood when im driving beacuse i feel good and i didnt in my BMW wich was in my eyes one of the better bmw designs. Im not trying to make mercedes a hard fast car. I belive that you are very very boherd by he fact that Mercedes is moving into a terrotory wich BMW controled and the terretory im talking about is fast every day cars.
And i belive that every car brand in the world wants to sell more cars am i wrong?
At this moment MB is selling alot i know toyota is selling more but thats another league. Right now im talkin about BMW,MB and audi wich cost almost the same well MB a bit more but they are closest. And if u check those brands MB is selling very very many cars and if it is like u say that mb doesnt have value for the money then i dont understand why ppl by them. And i already know ure explenation and that is thath they live on their brand. Why doesnt BMW has a brand that strong ??? i think its beacuse they where behind from the start and they are now to.
And it just happens to be so that right now mb are building very beautiful,comfortable,award winning and fast cars so i think that has a hand in their popularity theese days.....

You say that the S is the only good merc (by the way thnx i know that u dont belive its mine but like a said before in other threads i dont give fuck beacuse i know its mine and i drive it everyday=) have you then forgot about the
SL (where is bmw in this very important and prestigious market)
CL ( where is bmw here and if u say the 6 then u are making fun of bmwbeacuse cl destroys many cars ex aston,ferrari and so on with this car)
CLS ( I just love this car and once again no bimmer here either)
E ( the E is better in every aspect despite what u say)
CLK (just beautiful)
SLR (gr8 performance with my measurements and im sure that the performance of this car will make all car enthusiast smile for days including you. But if u want to count fraction of seconds sitting infront of ure PC the be my guest. By the way this cars is beatiful and dont say anything else i have never seen a bmw and i doubt ii will that has a beauty near the one of SLR)

PS
MERCEDES RULES
:lol:

God damn, you support MB so blindly its silly. Is English your first language?

If so, your grammar is atrocious, and there is no way you own an S-Class, and if you still claim to own one, I'm gona hit you with the classic Jabbasworld's=> PICS OR STFU.

I belive that you are very very boherd by he fact that Mercedes is moving into a terrotory wich BMW controled and the terretory im talking about is fast every day cars.

I know this wasn't aimed at me, but I'll answer anyways. I am bothered that all of these people like you believe Mercedes is in some way sporty...they are not. IMO Mercedes is not moving into that BMW 'territory'. Sure, they are both building fast everyday cars, but they are completely different in approach...BMWs are designed for driving...Mercedes...are not. :roll: That means they have different buyers...///M is preferred by driving enthusiast and AMG is for old men or wives who know nothing about cars...

I am really doubting that you even have your license...much less own a car. Mercedes are for old, rich business men who want comfort above all else, and some nice, easy straight-line speed as an option. I would hope if you are a member of jabbasworld you would be the opposite of that...you would enjoy a sports-car, you would be the one who stares at the Lotus Elise while everyone else looks at the Bentley parked next to it...

I just don't know how you can find a Mercedes a better drive than a BMW...why do you care that it has the MB emblem on the hood dude? You should like a car because its fun and involving to drive, two things which you can hardly say about a MB.

SLR (gr8 performance with my measurements and im sure that the performance of this car will make all car enthusiast smile for days including you. But if u want to count fraction of seconds sitting infront of ure PC the be my guest. By the way this cars is beatiful and dont say anything else i have never seen a bmw and i doubt ii will that has a beauty near the one of SLR)

Will you MB fan-boys get over the SLR already! :roll: Yes, it has 600+hp...but so what, its a an automatic transmission GT, I think most people could get more driving pleasure out of a 200hp Super 7...:x

[Sir_GT]

Lol. Looks like this chap's pupils have been replaced by 3-pointed stars... :)

Anyway, here I go again... (I'm starting to enjoy this)

First of all dont write about your self in we form beacuse as i see it its only you and me in this discussion.


So far, 2 other people have bothered to post simply to agree with me. Zero for you. :) I think its safe for me to use the word "we."


I dont have the time to answer question by question.So im gonna lay it out for u to play it out.


Fo shizzle dizzle? lol.


I and many more will pay alot more Just to se the star on the hood when im driving beacuse i feel good


Aha. You've just proven what I posted. It's a brand thing.


and i didnt in my BMW wich was in my eyes one of the better bmw designs.


I'm sorry to hear that. I guess your grandparents asked why you didn't buy a Mercedes and it got to you? :) lol.


Im not trying to make mercedes a hard fast car. I belive that you are very very boherd by he fact that Mercedes is moving into a terrotory wich BMW controled and the terretory im talking about is fast every day cars.


Why in the world would I be bothered? I own an Audi and a Honda for christ's sake. I also inherited my grandfather's 280SL. That's a Mercedes if I recall correctly. :) I'm merely pointing out the facts which you refuse to inhale.


And i belive that every car brand in the world wants to sell more cars am i wrong?


What does this have to do with anything?


At this moment MB is selling alot i know toyota is selling more but thats another league. Right now im talkin about BMW,MB and audi wich cost almost the same well MB a bit more but they are closest. And if u check those brands MB is selling very very many cars and if it is like u say that mb doesnt have value for the money then i dont understand why ppl by them. And i already know ure explenation and that is thath they live on their brand.


You answered your own question already. Look up a few quotations.


Why doesnt BMW has a brand that strong ???


No they don't. It is only recently when they've started to make great strides. Mercedes was the standard since the beginning all the way up to the early 80's. Nobody is denying that. It is simply a FACT that BMW have done more to overtake Mercedes's standing than Mercedes has in defending it.


i think its beacuse they where behind from the start and they are now to.


Every car manufacturer was behind MB from the beginning up until the early 80's. Now that is no longer the case.


And it just happens to be so that right now mb are building very beautiful,comfortable,award winning and fast cars so i think that has a hand in their popularity theese days.....


Yes it does, and yes they are building what you have described. A Bentley Arnage is pretty damn quick as well, so is the new Rolls-Royce Phantom, that still doesn't make them performance cars now does it?


You say that the S is the only good merc (by the way thnx i know that u dont belive its mine but like a said before in other threads i dont give fuck beacuse i know its mine and i drive it everyday=)


Like the man said: pics please :)


have you then forgot about the
SL (where is bmw in this very important and prestigious market)


What market? The "I have money and I'll drive with the top down to show off" market? :) A stock M3 will destroy the SL on the track mate. If you bust out the touring car M3, it may well destroy the SL55...or the 65 for that matter. You simply cannot RACE with an automatic. That is a FACT.


CL ( where is bmw here and if u say the 6 then u are making fun of bmwbeacuse cl destroys many cars ex aston,ferrari and so on with this car)


Errr...the 6 series is in the same league as the CLK, not the CL. And besides, the CL can never be considered a track car. Please find me the videos where the CL took on a Modena, or a Maranello, or a Vanquish, on a track, and won. Until then, you are merely talking turd.


CLS ( I just love this car and once again no bimmer here either)


Do they need to be here? BMW's are drivers cars, not luxury cars.


E ( the E is better in every aspect despite what u say)


Lol. You sound like my kid sister... "Kim Possible is tops! No matter what! Period! No erasure! Shaddap! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!"

lol.


CLK (just beautiful)


Destroyed completely by the Carrera 911, the Maranello, the 6-series, (Stock too!) and by the Maseratti.


SLR (gr8 performance with my measurements and im sure that the performance of this car will make all car enthusiast smile for days including you. But if u want to count fraction of seconds sitting infront of ure PC the be my guest. By the way this cars is beatiful and dont say anything else i have never seen a bmw and i doubt ii will that has a beauty near the one of SLR)


You're damn right the SLR is beautiful. Thing is, I haven't seen a single journalist enjoy its performance as of yet. As of the moment, they all have unanimously agreed that the top supercar (300,000++ pounds above) dogfight is between the Enzo and the Carrera GT. The SLR is never even mentioned. It isn't a performance car at all. It is simply, a very fucking fast 2 door Mercedes. Replete with automatic transmission, plastic dashboard, and a boot big enough for 2 golf bags. (something which Mercedes proudly claim)

WHO in their right mind would CARE about a PERFORMANCE SUPERCAR's ability to carry GOLF FREAKIN' BAGS?!?!?!

If that's your concern, go buy an A-class. It can double as your golf cart as well. The arabs are doing it, so why not you? :) lol.


PS
MERCEDES RULES
:lol:

In your small, narrow, make-believe world? It seems like it. :) Although WE (performance enthusiasts) are currently living in reality, and know better.

Toodles.

[MAE]

DAMN b why are you bitching about me not owning the car havent you seen this thread:
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8323&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Take a look :lol:

[he7lius]

I would tell them to be democratic.
Give POWER to the people. :D :D :D

All cars with at least 100 bhp.

And supercars would have to have 550 bhp min to qualify for the supercar word. :D :D

[Sir_GT]

MAE

I have to join to view? Nevermind. :) At least you posted the pics. Congratulations then. Even though I didn't see the pics, I'll pretend its your car and not your dad's. :) Pardon my doubt, but I don't know you, and its very easy to post pics anyway. Regardless, its a nice car. Just don't be convincing us that its a performance car, and it'll beat a BMW around a track, because we all know it won't. :)

[MAE]

Hahha no no my S wont beat bimmers around the track it wasent ment to but some mercedeses are ment to i think they do it good and you dont and lets leave it at that..

By the way for all you complainin on my english its not my first language i try my best if u dont like it too bad....

PS
have you seen the other pages i have posted pics there so u dont have to join image station.
and you can check this one to where i showed other ppl that had the same boubts as you
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6787&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=lamborghini&start=40

[Sir_GT]

I have nothing against your english mate. I sort of guessed that it wasnt your first language anyway. :)

[5.7 V10]

Hmm, Pagani. I would ask him to bump the Horse power on the Zonda to 650 and the torque to 620. That would be awesome.