I am building a "Replica" Lamborghini Diablo

[middleton7]

Does anyone on here own an exotic or just dreaming for now? Personally, can't afford what I want, so I'm building it. I'm sure all of you know about the Diablo kits. But, no Fiero here. I'm building the exact replica chassis from NAERC. Also, no wimpy 4 banger or V6, going with an LS6 crate with the twin turbo kit. That makes it push around 575 - 600HP. It's going well so far, but it's gonna take awhile. :roll:

[Jabba]

There are some new pictures of my Diablo on the Jabba House thread in "General Chat".

[Anonymous]

Damn you told him i was hoping he would find that suprise all by himself that the cars in the banner are yours!! :lol:

[Jabba]

I thought my avatar might have given it away actually.

[Anonymous]

Forgot you changed it it used to be the mower on its own whenyou first got the beast, I prefer the new one though!! :D 8) 8)

[Jabba]

Yep I have got a few now to choose from inc one with the diablo that you may have seen on the house thread.

[callen]

If u want to see what members, are driving go to the 'rides' section on the forum....ull find a few exotics there :D

[middleton7]

Jabba, you got a nice collection started. Since the cars in the pics of your "New House" weren't yours, I wasn't sure about those in your avatar. But VERY nice!!! I haven't had the opportunity to check out the members rides section yet, but hope to very soon. Jabba, what is the year and model of your Diablo? If it happens to be a 2000+ 6.0, I'd love to talk to you more about it and maybe get some close up pics. I'm sure they would be a tremendous help. I'll check back in this topic for any replys, but then I'll leave this one since it's in the wrong place for such chat. Thanks.........

[TT]

Since the cars in the pics of your "New House" weren't yours


LOL not sure to wich pics you are referring, but in 9/10 of the pics you can only see Jabba's cars LOL.

As for the roadster (sorry Jabba if I answer for you) it isn't a 6.0. It's a 1997 VT Roadster ;)

[middleton7]

Referring to the pics in the "Jabbas New House" topic. Jabba stated that those cars were the prior owners cars. And a 97 VT is an outstanding car. Beautiful!!! Just got done looking through member rides area and didn't see it yet. Gonna check out the Racingflix site and try to see it. I thought a long time about which Diablo to build and came down to a 99 Roadster or a the 01 6.0 ...Just the lines on the newer 6.0.....The non-popup headlights, the different turn signals and marker lights on the front. Just looks much better. BUT, I don't in anyway mean that any of the Diablos are unattractive.

[TT]

Referring to the pics in the "Jabbas New House" topic. Jabba stated that those cars were the prior owners cars


Ok those were in page 1 ;) we reached page 40something now and Jabba posted a shitload of pics of the car with his cars ;)

BTW, not sure what do you mean about "wich Diablo to build".. you can't actually build a Diablo. Are you into replicas?

[middleton7]

Yes, I'm into replicas. I'd obviously much rather own the real thing, but I don't see an extra 280 grand layin around in my future. So, I'll have to deal with the next best thing. As far as which Diablo to build, you can get the body in older VT, SV, Roadster, or the newer 6.0 version. So, to review, I love exotics but cannot afford one. I am in the process of building the exact replica frame on which to place the 6.0 body. In this frame shall sit a crate LS6 (the same engine that's in the Vette Z06 in case anyone didn't know) with the twin turbo kit. This will be bolted to a Porsche 914 transaxle. Once completed, it's hard for most (except those who own one or REAL enthusiast) to tell the difference. The VIN plates and all other plated on the original are available now for the replicas.

[middleton7]

Not everyone has the time or ability to sit in front of the computer most of the day and or night. There is no real need in heckling people over there questions. I'm thinking you could probably make a standard "You have to become a very active member and be liked by certain people"
I don't know how long it took you to type up that paragraph but for me, I just spend 15-30min morning and evening to read the forum and reply to interesting threads. Since you're an "adult" from NY, I suppose your english is much better than "kids" like us from foreign countriers. So, spend a few minutes daily and you'll learn to enjoy the forum.

Enough said, welcome to JW, enjoy your stay!

0X

You sound offended in that reply. Once again, my post wasn't meant to offend anyone. Also, I am not location discriminate. I never said anything about other countries. I spent 4 years in Germany and liked them better than allot of Americans. Very kind and helpful people for the most part. And, my American ( I wouldn't dare to think that I speak proper English) is better than some, worse than some. But, I never claimed it was better than anyones on this site. I sincerely apologize for the offense and thank you for your welcome to JW.

[TT]

Yes, I'm into replicas. I'd obviously much rather own the real thing, but I don't see an extra 280 grand layin around in my future. So, I'll have to deal with the next best thing.


Well the discussion could go on forever, but IMO, the "next best thing" is for sure not a fake car that look like a car but is another.. the next best thing is an affordable sportscar. These years are full of fast and nice cars that can be yours for way less than the price of a Diablo ;)
I know there are some very nice replicas around, but still, I think it's better to keep dreaming about supercars instead of trying to own a wannabe ;)

Of course if you are into replicas you have a complete different idea, but I think most of us would rather own a good sportcar like say a VX220/Speedster (for the Euro ones), an Elise, or even an M3 or something like that.. something that can give you pleasure when you drive it :D not just when you look at it ;)

But well, don't be offended, this world is nice because we are all different :D and good luck on your project :D

[middleton7]

No offense taken. And I agree with the affordable sportscar deal. I owned a 93 M5 while in Germany and loved it. Recently sold a 94 Stealth twin turbo, upgraded and running about 400hp. If you noticed the info I gave on the kit, I'm putting a pressurized LS6 in the car. It's gonna be pushing close to 600HP....I think it'll be about as exciting to drive as to look at. Also, this frame is being built from plans from a complete breakdown of a REAL Diablo. It's going to be an exact replica frame and suspension, so if
I'm able to get the weight ratio close, it will be like driving the real thing.

[TT]

Uhm.. remember that HP alone don't give excitment.. so the most important part is not the engine, but the chassis. And about the chassis beeing based on the real Diablo plans, well, IMO the result will still be leagues from the real thing. If people could really build an exact replica, I'm sure we would see many more replicas around.. a supercar is done by thousands of small details and I'm sure that even a perfect replica with every single small bit exactly replicated, won't come close to the real thing.. not to talk about the "aura" that the replica will enver be able to replicate, but still, if there are people that still loves to spend the money a normal person will spend on a house in their supercars, it's because there is something special in them, not only the status symbol, but well, the thousand of manhours put into them, the passion of all the people involved can't be simply replicated thanks to some sheet of paper IMO :)
And BTW, your project seem to be quite an expensive one. For sure not like a second hand Diablo, but not really "cheap" since you can't really build a chassis from zero for free if you want a good one, not to talk about buying the original suspensions and so on...

[middleton7]

Expensive? Yes. Outrageous? No. I will have in the neighborhood of $45,000 in it when complete. That is including the suspension, the air-ride system up front, the leather interior, the badging, etc....One of the main reasons that you don't see more replicas on the roads is that most people don't have the time or ability to handle such a project. And about the chassis, that's why I'm going with the exact replica, to ensure chassis rigidity. Most of the people that spend the fortunes on an exotic don't need to buy a fake. They can afford that much and most don't even know about the replicas much less anything about their possibilities. The man hours....Oh yeah, I'm looking at allot of those myself. And the pure pleasure of looking at the completed car and knowing I did that....That makes it that much more exciting to me. As for coming close to the real deal, I've unfortunately seen several pics of the factory's foul-ups. Crappy welds in the rear end and other areas not seen by the average person walking around the car. I'll see if I can find those pics and post a link. It really bothered me to see those given my pure awe of Lamborghini as a company. But all in all, I think you'ld be pleasantly surprised if you saw and drove a WELL BUILT replica. There are allot of really shoddy replicas rolling around. I'm ashamed of the replica world for such abominations. Check this guys site out, it'll give ya an idea of what goes into a good build....http://www.lambobuilder.com/edb/
He asks a bit more for one than I think is reasonable, but that's allot of work.

[Jabba]

But all in all, I think you'ld be pleasantly surprised if you saw and drove a WELL BUILT replica.

Surprised ??? More like AMAZED to see any replica that doesn't want to make me burst out laughing....pleasantly ????....to see any car design ripped off kinda makes me feel sad rather than want to admire an attempt to try and copy something.

What will you say to people that ask you about it....will you tell them thats its a fake or try to pass it off as a real Lamborghini ??

I never thought that I would ever own a Lamborghini so I tried to get the closet car that I could afford to it...a Lotus Esprit SE that was slightly similar in looks to the Diablo (with some of Imagination ) and wasn't exactly slow either...but at least it was genuine and I could drive it with pride rather than embarrassment.

I am not sure what its like outside the UK but here replicas have virtually no residual value and you will be pushed to find a dealer that would want to take one off your hands...and as for insurance....I think that would be another dream....

I am flattered that you might want to try and copy my car and it would make a great feature for the jokes and humor section.
My advice...keep on saving and I am sure you will be able to buy a 2WD Diablo soon and that will never be worth much less than what you have paid for it...

[middleton7]

But all in all, I think you'ld be pleasantly surprised if you saw and drove a WELL BUILT replica.

Surprised ??? More like AMAZED to see any replica that doesn't want to make me burst out laughing....pleasantly ????....to see any car design ripped off kinda makes me feel sad rather than want to admire an attempt to try and copy something.

What will you say to people that ask you about it....will you tell them thats its a fake or try to pass it off as a real Lamborghini ??

I never thought that I would ever own a Lamborghini so I tried to get the closet car that I could afford to it...a Lotus Esprit SE that was slightly similar in looks to the Diablo (with some of Imagination ) and wasn't exactly slow either...but at least it was genuine and I could drive it with pride rather than embarrassment.

I am not sure what its like outside the UK but here replicas have virtually no residual value and you will be pushed to find a dealer that would want to take one off your hands...and as for insurance....I think that would be another dream....

I am flattered that you might want to try and copy my car and it would make a great feature for the jokes and humor section.
My advice...keep on saving and I am sure you will be able to buy a 2WD Diablo soon and that will never be worth much less than what you have paid for it...

Wow, that was kinda rude. I had begun to think that wasn't really that common in here. And it's not YOUR car that I'm trying to COPY. If you spend your time on something and then are embarrassed about it, you didn't really need to spend the time on it in the first place. I would proudly say that I DID THAT. How many people build there own car? An exotic LOOKING car at that. As for insurance, from what I've come across, it's not too bad. Trade-in value? I don't think so. I would never trade in something I put that much time and care in anyway. JOKES? That's really sad that you would feel the need to make fun of others to feel better about yourself. In most cases that relates to an inadequacy in your life. Not rude, just facts. If you now feel the need to remove me or block me from your site, I understand, but those are facts.

[Jabba]

I didn't really say that I was laughing at the people with the cars...I said I was laughing at the cars....but your right....how can you not laugh at the assholes that build them as well....

If your talking about inadequacys.....remember I am not the one building fake cars and pretending to own something that I don't.

I will ask the question again.....

When asked about your "car"....will you admit that its a fake Lamborghini or try to pass it off as a real one ?

[TT]

How many people build there own car?


Then build a kit car, not a replica.. rewarding and at least you won't create a "fake"...

If you want to build a Diablo why not a nice and big scale model.. say 1/4 or so.. it would be quite nice too... I know we can sound rude as you said, but I think the replica lovers are very very rare...

[Anonymous]

Very interesting 'discussion' i can't say i have ever seen a good replica i.e one that hasn't made me laugh! :lol: And as a design student i would be very hurt if anyone ever copied one of my designs epeciallly if they did a very poor job, I think its just not right to copy another persons design especially if you then sell a kit based upon it. Generally people don't consider the amount of work which goes into design for isntance i have been working on the design of an MP3 player for some months for the first year of my degree and i wouldn't like to think about the amount of hours i have put into this relatively small project, so would it be right for someone else who has put no creative work in to simply copy it an sell it?

This is my personal opinion and i think the designers of the cars that have been blatently copied would agree.

BTW I agree i think you won't find many (if any) replica enthusiasts on Jworld

[RC45]

I had no idea the "n00b" threads were so much fun... ;)

I have missed out in a lot... :P

BTW, you can pickup a used Diablo in the States for as little as $150,000 - which is "cheap at the price".

A replica Diablo will fall far short of the true performance potential anyway.

Save yourself the trouble and get a used Z06.. ;)

[levensnevel]

Having said all that I have to confess that I greatly enjoyed one of the "Car is (re)born" programs from Mark Evans on Discovery Channel in which he built an AC Cobra replica. And to be quite frank: I sometimes dream away and find myself building a Ford RS200 replica :roll:

[PATo355]

Bah , first congratulates to middleton7 for the longest lasting NOOB "how to dl videos" thread .

Making Replicas of Lambos is really sick , why try to make something to tell ppl that you OWN a Lambo when its a fucking fake !
Here it happens with TM expensive shirts like Lacoste or Polo , ppl with no money to afford that shit buys replicas , that are 10% of the price , then i think , why would you try being or appearing something else that you are not , if i dont have money i prefer to own something cheap and wear it with pride cuz its my work and my money , than building a shitty replica to make other ppl think that i am rich , i think its pretty sad , really sad .

Get yourself a good sports car , maybe an used R32 , An Old impreza WRX , you can get a good perfomance car wich are amazing and gorgeous and you will get what you want , not driving something you are not !!! .

[TT]

Once the deck lid is opened, the V8 is revealed and the illusion is ruined. We have addressed this with an engine cover that sits on top of the LS1. It is an exact representation of a V12


Oh MY!! That's exactly the point!! Illusion... and of course when you will be there with your nice replica parked in front of you, nobody could guess it actually is a fake car :roll:

I have to admit there are some very very nice replicas around, remember the evo article about Ferrari ones? Almost impossible to see they are fake, especially from the outside and of course when the engine isn't turning... but that's simply sick and wrong. No idea why to me too, AC Cobra's replica seem more acceptable.. maybe because I'm not to much into American culture and for a true american car nut also Cobra replicas are not to be done...

Everybody has his tastes of course, but I guess JW won't be the right place to show off your fake Diablo when it will be built...

[Anonymous]

Everybody has his tastes of course, but I guess JW won't be the right place to show off your fake Diablo when it will be built...

LOL we should make a poll about this something to the affect of "would you buy a replica supercar" yes/no and ask them to posts their reasons why. Though I think i already know what the result would be :roll: . Personally i just hate the way other peoples hard work is ripped off and sold but it would be good if we heard from some more people who like replicas so they can try and argue their point, would be interesting IMO :twisted:

[corvette97]

make a lambo replica with a v8 and slam 2 turbos there and i wont be mad at you :wink:

[middleton7]

JABBA
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I didn't really say that I was laughing at the people with the cars...I said I was laughing at the cars....but your right....how can you not laugh at the assholes that build them as well....

If your talking about inadequacys.....remember I am not the one building fake cars and pretending to own something that I don't.

I will ask the question again.....

When asked about your "car"....will you admit that its a fake Lamborghini or try to pass it off as a real one ?
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#1 Assholes? Okay, once again your opinion ( as well as allot of others it seems)
#2 Inadequacys? You have the have those cars to make yourself feel adequate? I'm sorry for that. I would still feel completely adequate if I was driving a Yugo. I provide a good life and home for my children which is the most important thing in my life.
#3 Pretending? No, if you look back at the post right before this one, I said, " I would proudly say that I DID THAT." Meaning, if I met someone who asked me about the car, I would proudly tell them that I had built it and it wasn't the real thing. I'm not doing it to impress anyone. Everyone I need to impress is right here in my house. My wife and my kids. I'm building this for me. I will enjoy building and driving it.




TT
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Then build a kit car, not a replica.. rewarding and at least you won't create a "fake"...

If you want to build a Diablo why not a nice and big scale model.. say 1/4 or so.. it would be quite nice too... I know we can sound rude as you said, but I think the replica lovers are very very rare...
Oh MY!! That's exactly the point!! Illusion... and of course when you will be there with your nice replica parked in front of you, nobody could guess it actually is a fake car

I have to admit there are some very very nice replicas around, remember the evo article about Ferrari ones? Almost impossible to see they are fake, especially from the outside and of course when the engine isn't turning... but that's simply sick and wrong. No idea why to me too, AC Cobra's replica seem more acceptable.. maybe because I'm not to much into American culture and for a true american car nut also Cobra replicas are not to be done...

Everybody has his tastes of course, but I guess JW won't be the right place to show off your fake Diablo when it will be built...
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#1 1/4 scale. Funny....
#2 Illusion. I totally agree. But everyone that has posted has decided to draw conclusions from their own mind. I'm not going with the FAKE engine cover. I think looking down on an LS6 with twin turbos will impressive enough. But once again, I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPRESS ANYONE. Just ME.
#3 Showing off? No, sharing my enjoyment.



AL123
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Very interesting 'discussion' i can't say i have ever seen a good replica i.e one that hasn't made me laugh! And as a design student i would be very hurt if anyone ever copied one of my designs especially if they did a very poor job, I think its just not right to copy another persons design especially if you then sell a kit based upon it. Generally people don't consider the amount of work which goes into design for instance i have been working on the design of an MP3 player for some months for the first year of my degree and i wouldn't like to think about the amount of hours i have put into this relatively small project, so would it be right for someone else who has put no creative work in to simply copy it an sell it?

This is my personal opinion and i think the designers of the cars that have been blatantly copied would agree.

BTW I agree i think you won't find many (if any) replica enthusiasts on Jworld
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#1 "i can't say i have ever seen a good replica" . Have you ever seen a strand of DNA? Does that mean they don't exist?
#2 "especially if they did a very poor job" That's the thing, I said that already. There are allot of poor examples running around that embarrass me. I hate to see people do shoddy work and parade it around as the real thing. ridiculous.




RC45
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I had no idea the "n00b" threads were so much fun...

I have missed out in a lot...

BTW, you can pickup a used Diablo in the States for as little as $150,000 - which is "cheap at the price".

A replica Diablo will fall far short of the true performance potential anyway.

Save yourself the trouble and get a used Z06..
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#1 I have driven several Z06's, but I've never been a fan of Chevrolets body craftsmenship.I do agree that it's an outstanding car for American made, but just not what I want. The active suspension is a very nice touch on the new ones. Responds well. But, if I wanted a Z06, I would buy one. Obviously since I'm putting this amount of time into it, it's something I enjoy.
#2 Used Diablo. Ya know, I could feasibly go and pay cash for a new one right now, but that would kinda leave the kids college funds a bit short. And why would I pay $150,000 for someone elses car that they had very possibly ragged? When I'm done, I will have a new car for less than 1/3 that. And, none of those $20,000 visits to the factory for an overhaul at 20,000 miles. It's a damn Chevrolet engine. It doesn't need to be rebuilt or retightened at 20,000 miles. If anything does go wrong, I can rebuild it with my eyes closed.
#3 "A replica Diablo will fall far short of the true performance potential anyway". Far short? How far is far short? In what way? acceleration? Doubtful. Stock Z06 is about .5 seconds slower to 60MPH. That's not with the twin turbos. Top speed? Yeah, definitely. But, when you get to the mid 100's ( 150, 160, 170,) it's a moot point here in America. Handling? Have you ever driven a Diablo or a replica? What are you basing your statement on?



BREMBO
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Well this is what the site offering the replica kits say:

One of the issues all replica owners have faced is after the observer has commented on the body style and the interior they invariably want to look at the engine. Once the deck lid is opened, the V8 is revealed and the illusion is ruined. We have addressed this with an engine cover that sits on top of the LS1. It is an exact representation of a V12. The side treatments of the engine compartment compliment the engine dressing. The cover is actually bolted to the engine such that as the engine moves, the cover moves enhancing the illusion that what they are seeing is really an authentic Lamborghini.

so I think this answers it self......

On the other hand I respect the work being put in a job building a car,but if you buy a kit isn't really just to assemble a car and not actually building it???

everybody got their own taste and if replicas are your thing thats fine and Im impressed with people building and making stuff by their self, and I know how much work it can be to just do a rebuild of a car as Im in the progress of doing that.

The thing about replicas is that it will be just that and not the real thing of course they can look good as the one on the site you posted do but you cant beat the real thing even if it have 600 hp.

This is just my opinion and Im sure you will have a lot of fun putting it together and finally driving it.....
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#1 "but if you buy a kit isn't really just to assemble a car and not actually building it???" Yes, if you're buying a kit. I'm buying the body. Everything else is being built by me. They are to plans of a sort, but this is not a model car you just bolt together.
#2 The real thing. I completely agree. I think you could look at all my posts and see me saying that in many places.


LEVENSNEVEL
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Having said all that I have to confess that I greatly enjoyed one of the "Car is (re)born" programs from Mark Evans on Discovery Channel in which he built an AC Cobra replica. And to be quite frank: I sometimes dream away and find myself building a Ford RS200 replica
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Despite what most of the people on the site are saying, IT'S OKAY.



PATo355
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Bah , first congratulates to middleton7 for the longest lasting NOOB "how to dl videos" thread .

Making Replicas of Lambos is really sick , why try to make something to tell ppl that you OWN a Lambo when its a fucking fake !
Here it happens with TM expensive shirts like Lacoste or Polo , ppl with no money to afford that shit buys replicas , that are 10% of the price , then i think , why would you try being or appearing something else that you are not , if i don't have money i prefer to own something cheap and wear it with pride cuz its my work and my money , than building a shitty replica to make other ppl think that i am rich , i think its pretty sad , really sad .

Get yourself a good sports car , maybe an used R32 , An Old impreza WRX , you can get a good performance car wich are amazing and gorgeous and you will get what you want , not driving something you are not !!!
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#1 "Making Replicas of Lambos is really sick , why try to make something to tell ppl that you OWN a Lambo when its a fucking fake !". Please refer to all my other post. I don't plan on saying I've got a "Lambo".
#2 " own something cheap and wear it with pride cuz its my work and my money". Your money? Kinda making my point for me. I will build it and drive it with pride because I did it with my skill and my money.
#3 "make other ppl think that i am rich". Is that why you want an exotic car like the Enzo on your sig? To make people think or know your rich? How about everyone else that has a nice car? Jabba? Do you think he bought the cars he has just to make people know he has money? I doubt it. I think it's probably because he enjoys the cars.
#4 "and you will get what you want". That's exactly what I'm doing.




Now, here's my part. I spent time in the US ARMY, and I spent time in the civilian life but in the Middle East working a quite nice job. Made lotsa money, but I quit that. I decided that being with my family was more important than making all that cash. I was able to acquire a very nice savings account due to this. I could very easily go and buy a New Diablo, but that would take away all that I worked for. There goes my kids college tuition, my retirement, my just in case funds. So, in order for me to achieve my dream, I see this as my best bet. My dream isn't to own a nice used WRX STI, Z06, 911, etc...It has always been a Lamborghini. If this is the way I have to go in order to achieve my dream, then so be it. THis is what I'm doing. I'm not a David Koresh trying to recruit people for my evil Replica cult. I was simply chatting about what I'm doing and like to do. ONCE AGAIN, I would definitely rather have the real thing, but situations do not permit such, and as long as I want to stay with my family and watch my kids grow up, I'll never make enough to justify spending that much. If none of you can understand, then I'm sorry. That's not my failure. I've done my best to explain in the easiest to understand terms. :|

[middleton7]

make a lambo replica with a v8 and slam 2 turbos there and i wont be mad at you :wink:

If it's sarcasm, save it. If your being honest, thanks.

[TT]

Dude you can use the "quote" instead of the *** (yes I had to delete a ton of them to make the page again viewable :roll:

[TT]

My dream isn't to own a nice used WRX STI, Z06, 911, etc...It has always been a Lamborghini. If this is the way I have to go in order to achieve my dream, then so be it.


If your dream is Lamborghini, you won't achieve it by building a car yourself..

a Lamborghini is some special that allows you to attend exclusive meetings and similar.
And that of course also include VERY high costs and so on.. but a Lambo is all that, not just a shape IMO...

Lambos and similar car are what they are also thanks to the engine rebuilts you will need, the ultra expensive regular revisions etc etc... ;)

[Anonymous]

Wow that is the longest reply i've ever seen i think even longer than some of our reviews!! i read it all and some of what you have said seems very reasomnable. But you still haven't put your opinion about my main point: do you feel guilty about buying a body that is a copy of someone elses hard work, i would because i understand the amount of work that goes into the design process for even a simple product let alone a car. This is my main problem and is the main reason why i wouldn't even entertain/ buyng or making a replica car :|

[middleton7]

TT,
I was trying to reply to all in one. Sorry for the extra work I caused you. Did it in notepad to make it a bit easier. As for the exclusiveness, I agree. There are allot of things that go into being an owner. For me, it's the sexy styling and the raw power. Not that exclusitivity (is that a word?). Although I won't have that amazing v12, I will still have the power. Although the craftsmen at Lamborghini won't have built it, I'll still have that styling. By the way, it is a bit different than the original. Only a little. Most people wouldn't even know it, but that's not what I'm concerned with anyway. The costs.....Whew....As I said, I could purchase one, but then the high cost routine maintainance and insurance. GEESH...
It's just too much. I completely respect those that own the real thing and those at Lamborghini that build it, but it's just not happening for me.

AL123
Yes, there is a certain amount of regret. However, the exclusiveness (how about this one?) of the exotic car world is just that. It excludes the rest of the world. I'm not one who enjoys being excluded. If I want something and I can find a legal way to get it, then I'm gonna. As of yet, Lamborghini has not filed any lawsuits against the body makers of these replicas. It would be very simple for them to do and I don't really see where it would hurt their wallet a whole lot. Ferrari, however, has done so. They have shut down approx 3 different body kit manufacturers. I completely understand their actions. Now back to the Diablo body. If these cars were hurting Lamborghini's sales, I would be in greater agreement with you. However, the opposite is the fact. It's been noted on many occasions that when the rich guys see the guy down the street ,working a much lower paying job, driving a Diablo, they have occasionally gone and purchased the REAL one themselves. Now, if they would have eventually made this purchase or not, who knows? But, the male ego makes these things happen. "Hey, the guy down the street has a FAKE Diablo, check this shit out. Hey fucker, nice Fake. Check out my real one. Bet you wish yours was real!!!" So to recap, I wish I was the one that designed that body style so others didn't consider it stealing, but I didn't. It's still the sexiest car out to me so I'm gonna have that look in my front yard. For ME to look out at while I'm drinking my first cup of coffee in the morning. For ME to remember the time and craftsmenship that I put into it. Not saying it couldn't have been done better by the originators, but it's still damn nice.

[RC45]

Wow that is the longest reply i've ever seen i think even longer than some of our reviews!! i read it all and some of what you have said seems very reasomnable. But you still haven't put your opinion about my main point: do you feel guilty about buying a body that is a copy of someone elses hard work, i would because i understand the amount of work that goes into the design process for even a simple product let alone a car. This is my main problem and is the main reason why i wouldn't even entertain/ buyng or making a replica car :|

Guilt?

Why - the designer has already been paid and rewarded - and does not receive royalties like an artist does.

What if you put a body-kit on your E46 - that "is a copy of the M3-GTR" - should you fgeel "guilty" for doing so? It is afterall a replica?

Guilt aside - it comes down to the essence of what is being built.

You can build a replica AC Cobra or GT40 and feel fulfilled - because the orginal cars, while unobtainable can still be faithfully represented in replica form - and deliver the same performance with ease.

Why?

Because aside from the original bodywork being aluminum, they were essentially designed and constructed much the same way you construct the replica - using the chassis, suspension and drive train components on hand...

A Diablo however, was never built using a "Ford V8" by the factory... ;)

[Anonymous]

Wow that is the longest reply i've ever seen i think even longer than some of our reviews!! i read it all and some of what you have said seems very reasomnable. But you still haven't put your opinion about my main point: do you feel guilty about buying a body that is a copy of someone elses hard work, i would because i understand the amount of work that goes into the design process for even a simple product let alone a car. This is my main problem and is the main reason why i wouldn't even entertain/ buyng or making a replica car :|

Guilt?

Why - the designer has already been paid and rewarded - and does not receive royalties like an artist does.

What if you put a body-kit on your E46 - that "is a copy of the M3-GTR" - should you fgeel "guilty" for doing so? It is afterall a replica?

Guilt aside - it comes down to the essence of what is being built.

You can build a replica AC Cobra or GT40 and feel fulfilled - because the orginal cars, while unobtainable can still be faithfully represented in replica form - and deliver the same performance with ease.

Why?

Because aside from the original bodywork being aluminum, they were essentially designed and constructed much the same way you construct the replica - using the chassis, suspension and drive train components on hand...

A Diablo however, was never built using a "Ford V8" by the factory... ;)

Perhaps guilt was the wrong word :wink: but i was really talking about some of the companies that basically rip off the design and don't do it justice, that is my problem with such kits/ bodyshells ( i hope this is more clear RC45 :) ) However i do agree that when originals are unobtainable then it may be more justified to build a replica. This has happened for some of the most obscure limited run minis mostly beilt by coach building companies like radford and some of them look fairly well made, that is more acceptable IMO as getting hold of a real one is extremly difficult. When built on a period shell with comptempary parts i consider it more of a tribute than a copy because it is done to the best of the owners ability in the same essence as the original design. Some owners of such minis will go to the extent of searching for a period engine and completely refurbishing it rather than putting a newer version of the A series engine like the one in my car which is actually from a metro!

[RC45]

RC45
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I had no idea the "n00b" threads were so much fun...

I have missed out in a lot...

BTW, you can pickup a used Diablo in the States for as little as $150,000 - which is "cheap at the price".

A replica Diablo will fall far short of the true performance potential anyway.

Save yourself the trouble and get a used Z06..
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#1 I have driven several Z06's, but I've never been a fan of Chevrolets body craftsmenship.I do agree that it's an outstanding car for American made, but just not what I want. The active suspension is a very nice touch on the new ones. Responds well. But, if I wanted a Z06, I would buy one. Obviously since I'm putting this amount of time into it, it's something I enjoy.
#2 Used Diablo. Ya know, I could feasibly go and pay cash for a new one right now, but that would kinda leave the kids college funds a bit short. And why would I pay $150,000 for someone elses car that they had very possibly ragged? When I'm done, I will have a new car for less than 1/3 that. And, none of those $20,000 visits to the factory for an overhaul at 20,000 miles. It's a damn Chevrolet engine. It doesn't need to be rebuilt or retightened at 20,000 miles. If anything does go wrong, I can rebuild it with my eyes closed.
#3 "A replica Diablo will fall far short of the true performance potential anyway". Far short? How far is far short? In what way? acceleration? Doubtful. Stock Z06 is about .5 seconds slower to 60MPH. That's not with the twin turbos. Top speed? Yeah, definitely. But, when you get to the mid 100's ( 150, 160, 170,) it's a moot point here in America. Handling? Have you ever driven a Diablo or a replica? What are you basing your statement on?


First off - I said "used car" because you appear to be caught up in the "price of things".

You claim to "have the cash to buy a Diablo now" but would rather build a replica... <--- this I find hard to believe. At least you could possibly get full return on your purchase of a real Diablo - while the replica will only have value to you - and a marginal residual value on the open market.

I doubt you have ever driven a Mazda Miata - let alone "many Z06's" - the fact that they don't have active suspension would be one of the details - and the other would be that after a trip in a 911 Twin Turbo, or a GT3 or a Viper SRT-10 or a Z06 or a REAL Diablo - the idea of replicar that could not hold it's own would be a great let down. (there is a reason some of us drive 0-60 in 4s cars... performance over posing)

What am I basing my comments about replicar Diablo performance on? There are a couple unfortunate souls in the Houston area with replicar Countach and Diablo "things" running around - and I have come across one of the fakes on the road... my stock Z06 blew it it away so bad, that when we got the the stop light and stopped he wound his window UP when I tried to do the "nice car" routine.

Perhaps my biggest issue about this entire subject is that you are the ULTIMATE RICER.

If you want to pose - go buy a civic - but it is quite clear you are not a "performance enthusiast" by any stretch of the imagination.

Good Luck in your endeavour - maybe we will meet on the road sometime... but I unless I stop and wait for you to catch up, I doubt that will be happening soon... ;)

[Anonymous]

RC45

Good Luck in your endeavour - maybe we will meet on the road sometime... but I unless I stop and wait for you to catch up, I doubt that will be ahppening soon... ;)

LMAO i want to see this race, perhaps you could take a picture of him in your rear view mirror RC45 as i have seen you have done before when in your car :lol:

[middleton7]

Wow that is the longest reply i've ever seen i think even longer than some of our reviews!! i read it all and some of what you have said seems very reasomnable. But you still haven't put your opinion about my main point: do you feel guilty about buying a body that is a copy of someone elses hard work, i would because i understand the amount of work that goes into the design process for even a simple product let alone a car. This is my main problem and is the main reason why i wouldn't even entertain/ buyng or making a replica car :|

Guilt?

Why - the designer has already been paid and rewarded - and does not receive royalties like an artist does.

What if you put a body-kit on your E46 - that "is a copy of the M3-GTR" - should you fgeel "guilty" for doing so? It is afterall a replica?

Guilt aside - it comes down to the essence of what is being built.

You can build a replica AC Cobra or GT40 and feel fulfilled - because the orginal cars, while unobtainable can still be faithfully represented in replica form - and deliver the same performance with ease.

Why?

Because aside from the original bodywork being aluminum, they were essentially designed and constructed much the same way you construct the replica - using the chassis, suspension and drive train components on hand...

A Diablo however, was never built using a "Ford V8" by the factory... ;)

Perhaps guilt was the wrong word :wink: but i was really talking about some of the companies that basically rip off the design and don't do it justice, that is my problem with such kits/ bodyshells ( i hope this is more clear RC45 :) ) However i do agree that when originals are unobtainable then it may be more justified to build a replica. This has happened for some of the most obscure limited run minis mostly beilt by coach building companies like radford and some of them look fairly well made, that is more acceptable IMO as getting hold of a real one is extremly difficult. When built on a period shell with comptempary parts i consider it more of a tribute than a copy because it is done to the best of the owners ability in the same essence as the original design. Some owners of such minis will go to the extent of searching for a period engine and completely refurbishing it rather than putting a newer version of the A series engine like the one in my car which is actually from a metro!

Which is what most builders do. Build it to the best of their ability. I, on the other hand, plan to go above that and build near perfection. The engine from the Diablo is nearly unobtainable. And the maintainence costs. I'd rather go ahead with the engine that has readily available parts and great performance potential.

[middleton7]

First off - I said "used car" because you appear to be caught up in the "price of things".

( Yes, I am. I would prefer not to spend ALL of my money on a car when I have other things even MORE important to use it for.)


You claim to "have the cash to buy a Diablo now" but would rather build a replica... <--- this I find hard to believe. At least you could possibly get full return on your purchase of a real Diablo - while the replica will only have value to you - and a marginal residual value on the open market.


(I'm not trying to make anyone believe anything. When you're working in shitty conditions for several years, you're compensated for it. I was making close to $150,000/year. That's why I have my house paid for and a substantial savings. But 5 kids means 5 people to support in college. In case you're not aware, that's not cheap. If you'll look at my prior posts, I don't want to sell the car, so I'm not looking at the residual value. I'm only interested in the value it holds to me. )


I doubt you have ever driven a Mazda Miata - let alone "many Z06's" - the fact that they don't have active suspension would be one of the details - and the other would be that after a trip in a 911 Twin Turbo, or a GT3 or a Viper SRT-10 or a Z06 or a REAL Diablo - the idea of replicar that could not hold it's own would be a great let down. (there is a reason some of us drive 0-60 in 4s cars... performance over posing)

(You're right, I haven't driven a Miata. As for the Z06's, let me repair my sentence, Active Handling (braking control etc...) and upgraded suspension. They indeed handle very well. You ever been on a trip around Nurnbergring in yours? Did it, not my car, but did it just the same.
Not hold it's own? It's your engine man? Do you realize what engine your car has? The same LS6 that I'm putting in this car. Most people build their replica on a Fiero chassis and use the shitty little 4-banger or the 3.8 V6. That's why your handing them their asses. As for racing you....HHMMMM...Well, very well could be that you'ld hand me my ass as well, but that's not what I'm going for. I enjoy the feeling of all that torque. Not to try and race you or anyone else in this forum, just because I like it. If you've been reading, I haven't mentioned racing anyone once. I'm gonna leave the posing statement alone.)


What am I basing my comments about replicar Diablo performance on? There are a couple unfortunate souls in the Houston area with replicar Countach and Diablo "things" running around - and I have come across one of the fakes on the road... my stock Z06 blew it it away so bad, that when we got the the stop light and stopped he wound his window UP when I tried to do the "nice car" routine.

Perhaps my biggest issue about this entire subject is that you are the ULTIMATE RICER.

If you want to pose - go buy a civic - but it is quite clear you are not a "performance enthusiast" by any stretch of the imagination.

Good Luck in your endeavour - maybe we will meet on the road sometime... but I unless I stop and wait for you to catch up, I doubt that will be happening soon...

(Ricer? How many times have you heard me mention anything about Japanese cars? What are you talking about? Are you grasping at more ways to put me down? What the hell? What are you trying to prove? As for the "performance enthusiast" comment, yeah, that's why I'm putting a plain little stock low output engine in my car. Man, I just don't get where you're coming up with these ideas.

[middleton7]

RC45

Good Luck in your endeavour - maybe we will meet on the road sometime... but I unless I stop and wait for you to catch up, I doubt that will be ahppening soon... ;)

LMAO i want to see this race, perhaps you could take a picture of him in your rear view mirror RC45 as i have seen you have done before when in your car :lol:

Don't count on seeing this race. First, I'm gonna be workin on this car forever. IT's gonna take a long time. Second, why would I drive to Texas to prove a point? Kinda senseless.

[TT]

BTW, this discussion could go on forever between people loving replicas and people hating them... but I fear we are WAY offtopic ;) so if you'd like to discuss your project well, we have "car chat" were you can start with posting pics and such once things will start and also get more "views" that what you are getting in this topic ;)

It's time to come back on track here (and I think the on-topic discussion ended time ago ;))

[corvette97]

make a lambo replica with a v8 and slam 2 turbos there and i wont be mad at you :wink:

If it's sarcasm, save it. If your being honest, thanks.

IS NOT SARCASM, BUT i would have to see a replica looking fucin fast but with a v6 and zero power, soo, if you are gonna make it, make it good, IMO TWIN TURBO is the best option, try to get a s4 audi engine

[middleton7]

TT
Agreed. You gonna move it to car chat or should we just start another topic there?

[RC45]

RC45

Good Luck in your endeavour - maybe we will meet on the road sometime... but I unless I stop and wait for you to catch up, I doubt that will be ahppening soon... ;)

LMAO i want to see this race, perhaps you could take a picture of him in your rear view mirror RC45 as i have seen you have done before when in your car :lol:

Don't count on seeing this race. First, I'm gonna be workin on this car forever. IT's gonna take a long time. Second, why would I drive to Texas to prove a point? Kinda senseless.

Prove what point? You will have a fake Lambo... no point to prove.

If you really do have the money - and still insist on building a fake... how sad - why not take "all your money" and buy an LS6 powered Mosler..??

Anyway - back on topic... what was the question again? How to get at the videos?

I am guessing a fake lambo is not the quickest route...

[middleton7]

make a lambo replica with a v8 and slam 2 turbos there and i wont be mad at you :wink:

If it's sarcasm, save it. If your being honest, thanks.

IS NOT SARCASM, BUT i would have to see a replica looking fucin fast but with a v6 and zero power, soo, if you are gonna make it, make it good, IMO TWIN TURBO is the best option, try to get a s4 audi engine

The S4 is awesome, but I think I'll be able to squeeze more out of the V8 which is the LS6 without winding it up to 6-7k RPM's.

[corvette97]

BTW, i think you are over reacting here, its YOUR dream, not JW members dream , so if you like your project goo ahead, i will search "fair" replicas for you :wink:

[TT]

TT
Agreed. You gonna move it to car chat or should we just start another topic there?

Well up to you if you want to open a new topic there, but this one didn't really started with a replica discussion so better leave it where it is ;)

[corvette97]

ls6 is perfect, but please dont make any crappy replica, if not we are going to killl you for insulting the lambo design :wink: lol

[middleton7]

"Prove what point? You will have a fake Lambo... no point to prove.

If you really do have the money - and still insist on building a fake... how sad - why not take "all your money" and buy an LS6 powered Mosler..??

Anyway - back on topic... what was the question again? How to get at the videos?

I am guessing a fake lambo is not the quickest route..."


Damn, whose stuck on the vids here? And you don't get it. I don't want those car's. Refer to prior post. The style. The Diablo. The power. The LS6. It's very simple. I'm done here. If you wish to discuss this further, please PM me with your phone number. I find it much easier to communicate real time. Thanks............

[middleton7]

Well, we'll just let it ride out. It shouldn't take much more space TT. And no, I won't be building the ShITTy replica that everyone is assuming. I really didn't intent on it turning in to this. I was just stating what I was currently doing as far as my transportation and everyone kinda jumped on the bandwagon of trying to put me down. Don't worry, opinions of others don't really affect me, just get a bit irritable about the repetitiveness I'm having to use about the car I want and intend on completing. Allot of people just don't seem to get that point.

[RC45]

Well - help us out here... point us to web sights with pictures and videos of these finished master pieces.

Besides - if you really didn't care what others say then you would never have brought the subject up...

Remind me again - your point was?

Oh - and call me anytime on 1-800-I-REALLY-GIVE-A-FUCK... ;)

[middleton7]

Well - help us out here... point us to web sights with pictures and videos of these finished master pieces.

Besides - if you really didn't care what others say then you would never have brought the subject up...

Remind me again - your point was?

Oh - and call me anytime on 1-800-I-REALLY-GIVE-A-FUCK... ;)

There was no originating point. The question was if anyone on the site had exotic cars right now or if they were just currently dreaming and waiting till the day when they can. I in turn stated where I am on that subject. That I am working on the kit. It then turned into all you see above. And I'll post some of those links shortly.

[middleton7]

http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/JC/index.asp

Here's one good example. He used to have his own site, but it's currently down.

"Oh - and call me anytime on 1-800-I-REALLY-GIVE-A-FUCK... "

Nice..... :roll:

[RC45]

http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/JC/index.asp

Here's one good example. He used to have his own site, but it's currently down.

That site's down too.. you sure that wasn't just a replica of the real site... ;)

[middleton7]

Wow, non-stop. Good one though. I just checked it again and it's working fine for me.
Try this one:

http://www.lambobuilder.com/edb/Knotts04/index.htm

[RC45]

Wow, non-stop. Good one though. I just checked it again and it's working fine for me.
Try this one:

http://www.lambobuilder.com/edb/Knotts04/index.htm

That fake car has been through JW already.

You "fake car" guys still don't get it - do you?

What is the obsession with making a fake car??? People going to the trouble of sourcing BMW V12 engines, then putting "Lamborghini" valve covers on... and hunting for badges etc etc...


ANd let's be honest - how much did this car cost to make? Let's here how much "money you save" buy building a fake?

http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/JC/jc-01.jpg

[middleton7]

If I'm not mistaken, he has somewhere around $70,000 into his car including the audio/video system. So, savings could be concluded to be in the $150-200,000 range. What do not get? Different people go with different engine. I personally think the BMW V12 is a bad idea unless your talking about the one in the McLaren. It doesn't have the output to justify sourcing it. The badges are readily available. The Lamborghini valve covers is wrong I think. The ones talked about earlier is a complete engine cover replicating the Lamborghini engine. Once again, I'm not going that route. I'm not trying to make anyone believe mines real.

[TT]

To watch at that pictures it's almost impossible for me... not as terrible to wreckedexotics.com but close :(

[RC45]

Once again - good luck in your endevour to make a fake car.

My opinion of fake Diablos and Countach's etc will always be that unlike a Hot Rod that represents unique creativity - these cars are fakes - poor fakes at that.

Anmd instead of getting respect for "the skill and effort" applied - I will always laugh at these fake cars.

Have fun.

p.s. The RICER comment is because what you guys are about is the very definition of RICE... trying to be something you are not.

From now on I will refer to the fake Lambo brigade as PASTRAMI... and if you use a V6 - PASTRAMI on RYE... ;)

[middleton7]

Man, you guys are too much. What makes you feel sick about that picture? Please explain further. I would really like to know.

[TT]

I see Lambo badges and writing everywhere (in the rights spots I mean).. and I know they are just fake cars.. so at least put something like "Mamborghini diablo" or "whatever diablo" on them, but not the official badges...
Because you see all those badges, the body that is 90% identical to the true car, but you know what's underneath... nothing... not even 0.1% Italian supercar... it's completely pointless, but I think it's better for me to back off since I really can't say anything more on the subject...

[middleton7]

I guess it would have just fit better in this forum if I would have said:

" My car is the baddest and it'll kick your cars ass. I'll spank ya and laugh when I'm done. You silly fucks."

But, that's not me. So for those of you that get your kicks from putting other people and their interest down, enjoy and I hope they make a medication for you some day. Untill then, it'll be okay.

[middleton7]

Understood TT. I can empathize with your anguish. But, just for informations sake, the headlights, the taillights, all the other lights, the steering wheel, etc... are the real things. The tail lights are the same as used on another small European car. Can't remember which one. The headlights are from a second generation Nissan 300ZX. Japanese. Check the specs on Lamborghini. That's what they use. Same ones. Really.

[TT]

Just don't try to make us feel guilty... replica lovers are VERY rare, especially among "true" car nuts.. and as we told you, on JW, a website with a true Ferrari and a true Lambo on the banner, we still prefer the real thing.. and I don't mean only the real Lambo but also the real Vette, the real Golf and the real Smart...

And it was you the first that told us that in the end you don't care about people opinions..

For my part I was just honest and I was expressing my personal point of view.. I don't like replicas, don't understand them, I just see them as fake cars, period... I think there are other way to make that experience (building a car) and well, not every dream can come true, so if you prefer to invest in your childrens (perfectly normal obviously) there is nothing wrong if you will keep dreaming as 99.9% of us will always do.

Anyway, maybe there are more replica-friendly forums around the net, but again, replica lovers are rare IMO.

[middleton7]

Oh - and call me anytime on 1-800-I-REALLY-GIVE-A-FUCK...

p.s. The RICER comment is because what you guys are about is the very definition of RICE... trying to be something you are not.


The opinions about the "fake cars"are fine. I have no problem with them.
It's the personnal assaults that I think are ridiculous and immature. See above.....

[middleton7]

By the way, family time. I won't be checking back on this till later tonight probably. Untill then, everyone have a good day/night depending on where you are.

[Anonymous]

Wow i've missed alot of this discussion :oops: But for someone who says they don't care about others opinions you seem to be spending alot of your time trying to do the impossible- i.e. persuading us to like replicas, we don't all have fast cars on Jabbasworld but nobody thinks any less of us for it.I for instance have a mini with 40bhp of pure power, it's not fast or flash but i love it, i passed my test in it and would quite happily keep it for the rest of my life and no matter what i will never be desperate enough to have a replica.

[RC45]

Oh - and call me anytime on 1-800-I-REALLY-GIVE-A-FUCK...

p.s. The RICER comment is because what you guys are about is the very definition of RICE... trying to be something you are not.


The opinions about the "fake cars"are fine. I have no problem with them.
It's the personnal assaults that I think are ridiculous and immature. See above.....

Again... your point?

You bared your belly - and some of us (me for one) did not reach out to scratch it, but rather to give our unabridged thoughts and opinions... one of which is that PASTRAMI's are fakers... ;)

And I don't give a fuck...

[corvette97]

u are like girls fightning in the mud, calm down bitches :fist: :wink:

[Anonymous]

u are like girls fightning in the mud, calm down bitches :fist: :wink:

who asked you? :roll: not really a fight just a discussion, thats got a little bit heated, thats what its about, different views oh and whats with the :fist: ??

*EDIT* I wonder how many pages this will go on for?!!

[RC45]

Heated?

This is about the lamest "Internet conflict" ever... ;)

What we had here was some PASTRAMI trying to convince true car enthusiasts that fake Lamborghinis are anything but "fakes".

We called him out - I have seen people "ooohh" and "ahhhh" when they see fake Lambo's - these onlookers are always non-car people, who would "ooohh" and "aahhhh" for a riced out Hyundai...

Real car enthusiasts are not only offended and riled by "fake" cars - they can spot a mile away...

Which leads to the real issue... PASTRAMI's seem to be all about showing their fake cars to non-car people... otherwise they wouldn't bother with all the "trickery" - because all the "trickery" is lost on real car guys and girls...

So - if they know the cars are fake, and we know they are fake - why all the "trickery"?

The answer - to appear to be what they are not...

[corvette97]

u are like girls fightning in the mud, calm down bitches :fist: :wink:

who asked you? :roll: not really a fight just a discussion, thats got a little bit heated, thats what its about, different views oh and whats with the :fist: ??

can u see the FUCKING!!! :wink: UH?????

[Anonymous]

u are like girls fightning in the mud, calm down bitches :fist: :wink:

who asked you? :roll: not really a fight just a discussion, thats got a little bit heated, thats what its about, different views oh and whats with the :fist: ??

can u see the FUCKING!!! :wink: UH?????

yep just didn't see the point of it, if it was supposed to indicate sarcasm then what was the point of posting at all?!!!

[corvette97]

well thats my problem not yours :wink: , is not afecting you right? :roll:

[RC45]

LOL :lol: - the PASTRAMI has us at each others throats I see... ;)

[Anonymous]

well thats my problem not yours :wink: , is not afecting you right? :roll:

I was only having a laugh with you mate, i wasn't that serious!!! :lol:

[corvette97]

oh sorry :oops: hehehehe, u got me

[Anonymous]

good to see you have a sense of humour i was just trying to provoke ya :lol: as theres nobody to argue with at the moment :lol: (joke)

I didn't actuallly notice the wink until i'd already posted so i thought i'd leave it and see how you reacted- and you bit!! :D :wink:

[corvette97]

oh! so you want to argue :fist: """""""""" :wink: """""""""""

lol, yes i always bite lol :wink:

[TT]

Well I'm sure nobody will mind if we will close the topic now ;) replica discussion if really need to exist, should go in car chat.. flames and spam have no place at all :D

[Jabba]

#2 Inadequacys? You have the have those cars to make yourself feel adequate? I'm sorry for that. I would still feel completely adequate if I was driving a Yugo. I provide a good life and home for my children which is the most important thing in my life.|

I do not understand your point at all and your post doesn't seem to make any sense either.

I do not drive a Yugo but a very modest 3 Series BMW for 98 % of the time. In fact very few non car friends in the "real world" even know I own any exotics and probably wouldn't imagine that I owned any either.

http://www.jabbasworld.net/jpics/50.jpg

[Jabba]

Wow, non-stop. Good one though. I just checked it again and it's working fine for me.
Try this one:

http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/JC/jc-01.jpg


I do not have the sharpest eyes in the world but I could spot that as a fake in a nano second.

Would this "car" honestly fool anyone ?

Please tell me this is one of the poorer attempts as I still want to see a "good" one.

[Jabba]

Well I'm sure nobody will mind if we will close the topic now ;) replica discussion if really need to exist, should go in car chat.. flames and spam have no place at all :D

Changed the original thread title, deleted some of the original posts, unlocked and moved to car chat.

[SFDMALEX]

Guys guys listen up!

I had this thing for Liz Hurley for 3 years now. Everytime I see her picture I get the biggest erection ever. So I decided to buy a kit and build a replica Liz Hurley doll. Its very similar. The mouth is modeled about right...the vagina is a pure replica its all good. Ill post pics when I do her.. :D Ohh and she's better then hte original since she never minds...

Now I'm tottaly against replicas.
Whats the point? First off Supercars are not just about pure speed. Its the soul of the car that matters. Its the feeling that you get just from sitting in a Ferrari knowing that the seat you are sitting in was hand crafted and that the engine in the back is a race car derived peace of art. Its the meaning behind the badge.

Now a replica has none of that. So what if it looks similar? If you like the body design of the diablo so much why not copy it and build it on your own chassis and so on. Why put the diablo badge on it?

You keep saying that 'I will be proud of building this'. What do you really build? Nothing! Nothing. You get the body you get the motor and all you do is assemble it just like they assemble Ford Trucks on an assembly line.

You say its not for show? Then tell me whats the purpose of your project? If its not to show off and make people think something what is it? You didnt make it. All you did was assmable it. If you trully love Lamborghini you dont like it for its looks. you like it for the whole package.

I for one love Ferrari. My goal in life is to own any Ferrari. Its not to far away either. I dont care if its a mondial, I dont care if its not a 550. You know why? Because I love the mark and what it stands for.

I couldnt drive a replica. Doesnt matter how good. Whats so good about a 355 replica that can blow the original cars doors off and out handel it on the track? Is it the same? No. Does it have anything in common? No.

As said previosuly if you want a Lamborgini and you love the mark get the real thing. If you cant then dont get it...a replica wont do anything. I still have 10 ferrari posters in my room like a 12 year old, I buy literiture, I hunt for videos....and I do get some of that feeling that I do own something thats Ferrari.

In conclusion. You didnt build that car, you assembled it. It has nothing to do with Lamborghini and the only people you will be able to impress this thing with are teenage high school girls.

And look at my reference to my doll theory. Its exactly the same as your replica project.

[Jabba]

First off Supercars are not just about pure speed. Its the soul of the car that matters. Its the feeling that you get just from sitting in a Ferrari knowing that the seat you are sitting in was hand crafted and that the engine in the back is a race car derived peace of art. Its the meaning behind the badge.



How true indeed.

[middleton7]

Okay this wouldn't have gone on so long it everyone actually read my posts. Everyone keeps on with the "It's still a fake car", "Who are you gonna impress? NOONE!!", and "I'd rather have the real thing" bit. If you've taken a moment to read any of my posts, I've stated the same thing an infinite amount of times. I AM NOT TRYING TO IMPRESS ANYONE. THIS IS FOR ME. I will enjoy owning and driving it. I will continue to dream of owning the real one. Maybe one day it will actually happen. Till then, this will have to hold back my hunger. And if you had ever built anything yourself, you would realize the pure satisfaction of it. Now, it's definitely not the same as sitting in or driving the original car, but it's still a wonderful feeling. ANd no it's not a testor's model where you get the instructions and all of the pieces to put together. Looking back in my posts, you will see that I am hand cutting, angling, welding, and then yes, assembling(what is assmable?) the entire chassis. And then theres all the hinges, the engine cradle, the tranny cradle......Teenage high school girls? Man o man....There's not a teenage high school girl out there that could take me away from what I have right now. ANd yes, Jabba, the side view mirrors alone give it away. But, I'm STILL not disputing that fact. Never was. I'm just saying it looks very nice (not original) and has a nice powerplant (not a V12). As for RC45, when exactly did you call me out? I don't get it.

[SFDMALEX]

You seem to keep pushing the fact that its for you. Its the satisfaction that you get from building your own...and so on......Ok I agree. Build your own car. YOUR OWN dont rip anyone off. If you like the body like I said previsouly then copy it but dont stick on any Lambo badges...

[Jabba]

Thats true if you were not trying to "IMPRESS ANYONE" then why would you need to add any Lamborghini badges ?

[middleton7]

Still to be decided. I've been thinking of replacing the badges with tiny pics of pastramis.........

[corvette97]

im to lazy to read the entire thread, but... how much $$$ do you plan to invest?

[SPEEDKILLAR]

I'm not into replica's, I would rather dream all my life of a SLR or CLK DTM instead of trying to build something that almost looks and doesn't feel at all like the REAL thing.

But this aside, I do wish you the best of luck with your project. It is still your dream, but did you considerd it really that well, and at the end, will you be satisfied with what you have accomplished?

[Erez]

is there a link with pics? if there is can some onme please let me have it?

and dude.. check - www.lambolounge.com would help you a lot..

and as to what i've read about the mirrors.. you can find once that looks just like OEM.. BTW.. a GOOD replica will no end up cheap.. and make sure you check that site...

best of luck to you..

[Erez]

Thats true if you were not trying to "IMPRESS ANYONE" then why would you need to add any Lamborghini badges ?

i guess cause thats as close as he can get right now.. and he really want to be as close to that as he can.. and that may not be as fun as having a real one for 'the history' or 'quality' or even spec.. but for some people they get lots of joy for feeling near that.. i'm sure you can understand that..

[Jabba]

Thats true if you were not trying to "IMPRESS ANYONE" then why would you need to add any Lamborghini badges ?

i'm sure you can understand that..

Nope not really....I can only hope that Lambo follows Ferrari's example and starts sueing the companys that are producing this shit that is an insult to their cars.

[middleton7]

Around $45000.....Satisfied? Yes.....And yes, have had lambolounge in my favorites list for quite some time. And also, some people do the mirrors correctly, but some just decide to go the easy route. That's why allot of replicas have one piece mirrors. Of course there are going to be some costs that weren't accounted for, but it will be somewhere in that neighborhood.

[middleton7]

Explain exactly how it's an insult when DONE PROPERLY? Because it didn't come from there factory or with there engine? Everything else winds up being the same. Sure, if I could get a 6.0 factory engine, I would....but they are kinda scarce....The chassis is the same and will be built to at least the same quality as they build....Allot of FAKES are shitty and are insults, but not all.....Again, they aren't built at the factory and the materials aren't sourced from the same place, but it's the same materials and put together the same........You're not even talking about the meatings and so forth anymore, just the cars.......

[jon_s]

I can understand the build your own car thing, but why not build something like a Caterham. Or go for a resoration project, you could find yourself a real exotic and get it to showroom standard, now that would be quality!

[SFDMALEX]

Thats true if you were not trying to "IMPRESS ANYONE" then why would you need to add any Lamborghini badges ?

i guess cause thats as close as he can get right now.. and he really want to be as close to that as he can.. and that may not be as fun as having a real one for 'the history' or 'quality' or even spec.. but for some people they get lots of joy for feeling near that.. i'm sure you can understand that..

Thats not getting close. How is that getting close? There is nothing Lambo about a replica. It looks similar, so what? My old Lada looked like a FIAT that I always wanted. Does that mean its as close to a fiat as I could get?

I simply dont see the relation between a replica and the real thing. The fact that it looks similar is only 2% of the whole thing.

[Jabba]

Or go for a resoration project, you could find yourself a real exotic and get it to showroom standard, now that would be quality!

Thats a very good point...my brother does military vehicle restorations and its amazing to see a pile of old rust restored back to its original condition after many years of hard work and many hours tracking down all the original parts for them.

I think there was a post on here about a guy that did the same with an F40....after seeing that...you could only RESPECT and ADMIRE what he had managed to rebuild.

[SPEEDKILLAR]

^^^^Yep, that's true, amazing job on that F40. :shock: :shock: :shock:

[jon_s]

Exactly, and when you have finished, you know you have preserved a peice of history, its re-sale value would be more than a replica (although if one is in the mind set of restoring, that is not an issue). You could employ all the skills you talk of, and perhaps learn some more. You could and should be proud of the car that you have created.

Also IMO if the dimensions on a replica Diablo are out, it just looks ugly. There is something special about the Diablo, it had the potential to be an ugly duck, but the designers got it just right. No replica can come close enough, and if they did, they would have a hefty law suit land on their door step.

[Jabba]

No replica can come close enough, and if they did, they would have a heft law suit land on their door step.

If they become anything more than a joke then I am sure something legally will be done about it.

[corvette97]

i would get a 308 and change it into a 288gto, thats way better

[Anonymous]

I'm not really sure where the real costs would be in restoring an exotic sure the parts would be expensive and hard to find, but the labour costs must be high aswell as its a specialised area if you want it done well so doing it yourself might work out economical. Though i'm not sure i'd buy a ferrari or lambo if it was rebuilt by someone in a shed :lol: :wink:

[Erez]

dude.. some replicas looks VERY real.. and from the outside YOU wouln't know its a fake.. i'm not one that will built a replica.. but if its fun for someone and he doesn't do it in a VERY shitty way and doesn't say 'yeah its a real one' when it not.. why would you care?

but thats just MHO.. i'm out..

[Erez]

BTW- i'm with jon_s.. i would rather getting a kit car to build like the ultima or someting like that..

**BTW- restoring an exotic cost A LOT! and you really shouldn't do it yourself but have a pro shop doing that.. and its really not a cheaper way to get a ture exotic..

[jon_s]

Ahhhh, just thought, I much prefere someone making a replica of a Diablo, if it means that someone does not destroy an original one......I am sure we all know what one I am one about, that browm/gold monstrocity! I'll find a pic....

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/jj.wijnstok/Lamborghini%20diablo%20coatl_1a.jpg
to think that, that used to be perfection:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/miedemaracing/Pictures/Lamborghini/lamborghini_diablo.jpg

[RC45]

Around $45000.....Satisfied? Yes.....And yes, have had lambolounge in my favorites list for quite some time. And also, some people do the mirrors correctly, but some just decide to go the easy route. That's why allot of replicas have one piece mirrors. Of course there are going to be some costs that weren't accounted for, but it will be somewhere in that neighborhood.

$45,000 - puhlease... --- why not come back and show us the result of $45,000 of work.

After seeing $70,000+ replicas that look fake I can only imagine what $45,000 would get you...

[Anonymous]

dude.. some replicas looks VERY real.. and from the outside YOU wouln't know its a fake..

but thats just MHO.. i'm out..

Ahem Pics? :lol: Seriously though i've never seen any pics where i haven't been able to pic fault when compared to the original if you have or can find any pics of a really convincing one i and i'm sure everyone else here would want to see them

[Jabba]

Or why don't we go for pictures of the really bad ones...(all of them)....

Whos gonna be the first to post the worst one I have ever seen of the F50 that was posted a few times on here....although probably not as bad as the yellow 355...but I think that one was really done as a joke.

[sentra_dude]

Explain exactly how it's an insult when DONE PROPERLY? Because it didn't come from there factory or with there engine? Everything else winds up being the same. Sure, if I could get a 6.0 factory engine, I would....but they are kinda scarce....The chassis is the same and will be built to at least the same quality as they build....Allot of FAKES are shitty and are insults, but not all.....Again, they aren't built at the factory and the materials aren't sourced from the same place, but it's the same materials and put together the same........You're not even talking about the meatings and so forth anymore, just the cars.......

It's an insult because it is NOT a Lamborghini; it is a back-yard built, kit car with a Chevy engine in it pretending to be a Lamborghini.

Quit with the bullshit dude, you know you want people to think its a Lamborghini when its really not, you are a poser for building a car to look like something that it is not. Even if you say you won't put the 'Lambo' engine cover, or even the Lambo badges on, you still want people to think it is a Lambo. So what if you freely admit it when asked, you are still hoping people will think you are a badass for having a Lambo, even if its only when they are 50 feet away from your car.

There is no other reason you would build a replicar thing, unless you want people to think you have something you don't have. I want a McLaren F1 so badly I could almost cry, but that doesn't mean I will ever, ever build a fake of one. It is just wrong.

You make no sense to us dude...you came to the wrong crowd to talk your replicar bullshit, we like real cars, not fakes.

Everything else winds up being the same.

This is an insult in itself...to Lamborghini craftsman, designers, and owners. It is not the same! So what if you use the blue prints, it wasn't built in Italy, it wasn't built by Lamboghini people, and it doesn't have the spirit of the original.

And quit with the bullshit about how you are building this car for the 'driving experience'...please. If you were doing that you wouldn't give a flying fuck what it looked like; but on the contrary, the looks seem to be the most important part of this car to you, a clear indicator all you care about is impressing others, the same goes for building the car. You claim you will get all this satisfaction from building it, well you shouldn't care what it looks like, just that you had fun 'building something yourself'. If you were so set on building a car yourself, why don't you make an original car.


Lasty...
Why don't you build yourself something better than a replicar dude? Why not build yourself a Super 7...or maybe build a hotrod...or mod the crap out of something, but don't build a fake. :roll:

[jon_s]

OMG they have attacked the Lamborghini Murcielago :
http://www.kitcar.com/triangle/G24-075r-doorsup-04.jpg
the best bit is the rear brum brakes with disc covers:
http://www.kitcar.com/triangle/G24-rear-wheel-02.jpg

[Anonymous]

UM I've just lost my dinner after seeing that brown/gold one Jon s posted, so i think he's in the lead right now! :lol:

My contribution- just wrong isn't it

http://img43.photobucket.com/albums/v132/alsw123/wrong.jpg

[jon_s]

Yeah, and to think that started out as a real Diablo :shock:

[Jabba]

http://www.kitcar.com/triangle/G24-075r-doorsup-04.jpg


OMFG !!!

What the hell is that supposed to be ????

[corvette97]

this is the best replica ever :roll: LOL

http://www.davewolin.com/images/lambo1.jpg

http://www.davewolin.com/images/lambo2.jpg

http://www.davewolin.com/images/diabl8.jpg

http://www.davewolin.com/images/diabl3.jpg

[Jabba]

Good but still waiting for the F50 !!!

[SPEEDKILLAR]

:x :x :x :x :x That's pretty bad, its fucking out of proportion. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even a blind person would know that it is a fucking bad replica, this is really bad.

How can the gouvernment allow things like that to be built :fist:

[Anonymous]

ok here it is hope the link works or i'll host it

http://img43.photobucket.com/albums/v132/alsw123/img_0041_large.jpg

[corvette97]

http://www.infinetivity.com/~jch/f50/img_0041.jpg

AL123 found it

[jon_s]

Here is the home page of that Brown Diablo:
http://www.e-lamborghini.com/
and here is some info on it:
http://www.lambocars.com/diablo/special.htm

Now I will find that F50

[corvette97]

but anyone remebers that replica that was being sold on ebay of a F40 totally out of proportions?

[SPEEDKILLAR]

^^^^^Believe it or not, I never saw this hideous thing before. Don't know what to do, cry or laugh :?

[jon_s]

ok ok, beat me to it lol

Me thinks we have gone off topic, but it is funny.

[Anonymous]

Me thinks we have gone off topic, but it is funny.

Or why don't we go for pictures of the really bad ones...(all of them).....

But Jabba told me to ( or was it the voices in my head) :lol:

[SPEEDKILLAR]

I think I'm going to throw up, stop posting stuff like this guys, please stop it. :lol:

[corvette97]

"F40" :lol:

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4401-1.jpg

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4401-2.jpg

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4401-4.jpg

[corvette97]

shit!!! is is the best onje!!!

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4358-2.jpg

FERRARI F-40 DONE RIGHT(OVER 40K INVESTED)

WOW 40K!!!!!, THATS UGLY EVEN IF IT WAS 100K MOTHERFUCKER lol

[Anonymous]

"F40" :lol:

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4401-4.jpg

A real F40 doesn't need F40 stamped on the side, i mean what even made the owner think it looks even slightly like a F40? you'd either have to be blind or blind drunk!! :lol:

BTW this is the best and funniest thread hijack ever :lol:

[corvette97]

OKAY, i promise this is the last one for sure!!!

f50 for reel!

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4279-2.jpg

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4279-5.jpg

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4279-9.jpg

http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/Pictures/4279-4.jpg

interior is much nice than it appears, this was a cheap camera , all I had, sorry LOL LOL

This is the Top of the line Ferrari kit out there , untill someone replicates the Enzo.(which I doubt Ferrari will allow ) This car speaks for its self.

[Erez]

Ahem Pics? :lol: Seriously though i've never seen any pics where i haven't been able to pic fault when compared to the original if you have or can find any pics of a really convincing one i and i'm sure everyone else here would want to see them

i'll start with the worse once ;)

this is BY-FAR the worse Diablo replica i have ever seen:
http://www.davewolin.com/images/lambo1.jpg
http://www.davewolin.com/images/lambo2.jpg
http://www.davewolin.com/images/diabl8.jpg
http://www.davewolin.com/images/diabl3.jpg

i think you all agree with me.. that that was SO BAD.. not even a real kit.. :roll: LOL! :lol:

now here are some of the better once..
you have to admit.. from outside they look pretty real..
http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Robert/RobertProulx/images/24.jpg
http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Robert/RobertProulx/images/271.jpg
(only a few small details are wrong in that one right..)

http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Hector/Silver/images/475_1338.jpg
http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Hector/Silver/images/475_1340.jpg
http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Hector/Silver/images/475_1361.jpg
http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Hector/Silver/images/475_1375.jpg
(could be better.. but then again.. could be worse ;) )

http://www.exoticreplicacars.com/images/inventory/05/pic_1_b.jpg
http://www.exoticreplicacars.com/images/inventory/08/pic_1_b.jpg
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/Dcp_0039.jpg
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/Dcp_0042.jpg
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/Dcp_0043.jpg
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/Dcp_0038.jpg
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/jsred7.JPG
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/finished3.JPG
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/finished13.JPG
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/finished12.JPG
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/road2.JPG
http://www.exoticglass1.com/images/wiper1.JPG


i think this is a good amount... now.. some replicas look real.. right?.. i'm not saying i'm into replicas.. cause i'm not.. but i think some people have done a good job.. as you can see..

**hope you can see all the pics..

[Erez]

yes.. F40's F50's.. and even 355 (lol and now even 360) are done VERY VERY badly! fucking ugly.. and wrong!

[Erez]

OMG they have attacked the Lamborghini Murcielago :
http://www.kitcar.com/triangle/G24-075r-doorsup-04.jpg
the best bit is the rear brum brakes with disc covers:
http://www.kitcar.com/triangle/G24-rear-wheel-02.jpg

yeah.. that is VERY bad.. why bother i ask myself...

[coombsie66]

Dear god some people really masacre those cars.
I appreciate (even admire) the skill involved in creating the good replicas, in the same way that i appreciate the skill and time involved in building a kit car to a high standard. However i am with the majority on this matter.

Its like gettin home with that really hot girl, then u whip off the panties, and find a fuckin cock!!
Just like finding that big' ol V8 instead of the glorious italian V12 masterpiece.

If your skilled enough to build something to the same quality that lambourghini can, then why not design your own idea.
At the end of the day its a FAKE, COUNTERFIT, pretending to be something it is not.
Certainly not my cup of tea.

[PATo355]

Hahaha , you can even buy the engine cover too fool other ppl ... LOL

http://www.exoticreplicacars.com/images/gallery/cover_1/pic_001_bg.jpg
http://www.exoticreplicacars.com/images/gallery/cover_1/pic_002_bg.jpg
http://www.exoticreplicacars.com/images/gallery/cover_1/pic_003_bg.jpg

[Erez]

yeah.. but to make a really good replica would cost around 80K.. so i really dont see the point.. cause i can get much nicer things for that $...

[RC45]

:x :x :x :x :x That's pretty bad, its fucking out of proportion. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even a blind person would know that it is a fucking bad replica, this is really bad.

How can the gouvernment allow things like that to be built :fist:

Let's stay focused... what would the "government" have to do with any of this... ;)

[corvette97]

i was wondering, why dont you get a FERRARI 348??? that would be faster than your heavy-"lambo", and more nice to have, and those are really really nice, u can find them for around 55kusd$

[SPEEDKILLAR]

:x :x :x :x :x That's pretty bad, its fucking out of proportion. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even a blind person would know that it is a fucking bad replica, this is really bad.

How can the gouvernment allow things like that to be built :fist:

Let's stay focused... what would the "government" have to do with any of this... ;)

Because the government has the task to educate and more or less control its children(society). :wink:

[HeilSvenska]

Does anyone on here own an exotic or just dreaming for now? Personally, can't afford what I want, so I'm building it. I'm sure all of you know about the Diablo kits. But, no Fiero here. I'm building the exact replica chassis from NAERC. Also, no wimpy 4 banger or V6, going with an LS6 crate with the twin turbo kit. That makes it push around 575 - 600HP. It's going well so far, but it's gonna take awhile. :roll:

I HATE YOU. It's the people like you I despise... Shame on you. It's like you can't get a girlfriend so you sleep with a whore...

[SPEEDKILLAR]

^^^^^^...."can't get a girlfriend do you sleep with a whore" :lol:

good one

[RC45]

Because the government has the task to educate and more or less control its children(society). :wink:

Here in lies the fundamental difference between "us and them".... you believe the government is supposed to control and dictate - we believe the government is supposed to support and assist... ;)

[nthfinity]

Here in lies the fundamental difference between "us and them".... you believe the government is supposed to control and dictate - we believe the government is supposed to support and assist...


right on target!

[kteo2003]

i think that you could buy a real diablo used for 50.000euro...

[kteo2003]

sorry i wanted to say 75.000euro for a diablo..

[TT]

Just edit your posts if you have to correct them after a couple of minutes ;)

[HeilSvenska]

i think that you could buy a real diablo used for 50.000euro...

I think you can. For a early 1990's one with numerous clutches already destroyed. Or buy a Diablo from a Police-seized auction. They usually start from low prices.

[stradale]

Because the government has the task to educate and more or less control its children(society). :wink:

Here in lies the fundamental difference between "us and them".... you believe the government is supposed to control and dictate - we believe the government is supposed to support and assist... ;)

LOL! It might be tempting for you to read confirmation in that, but SPEEDKILLAR was either making a not too serious statement (that would be my guess, considering the :wink: ) or a dumb statement. Cross the pond one day and you'll see... :D

[jon_s]

Thought I would ask this here instead of a new post, but what are peoples opinions of changing a genuine Ferrari 308 into a 288gto?? I was brought by someone wlse in this thread.

The 288gto IMO is one of the best looking Ferrari's about. But is changinf a 308 into a 288 not the same as 'faking'??? :?

[RC45]

Thought I would ask this here instead of a new post, but what are peoples opinions of changing a genuine Ferrari 308 into a 288gto?? I was brought by someone wlse in this thread.

The 288gto IMO is one of the best looking Ferrari's about. But is changinf a 308 into a 288 not the same as 'faking'??? :?

Not if you just modify the car to have the muscular appearance of the GTO and then do the engine up to partly deliver the goods... and then...

most importantly... you do NOT slap GTO badges on it...

That's the thing - having a beefy looking 308 is one thing (and they do exist)... but trying to pass it off as a GTO is another.

[SPEEDKILLAR]

Because the government has the task to educate and more or less control its children(society). :wink:

Here in lies the fundamental difference between "us and them".... you believe the government is supposed to control and dictate - we believe the government is supposed to support and assist... ;)

LOL! It might be tempting for you to read confirmation in that, but SPEEDKILLAR was either making a not too serious statement (that would be my guess, considering the :wink: ) or a dumb statement. Cross the pond one day and you'll see... :D

The " :wink: " was added there for that, but that's how our RC45 is, probably reading to fast :P

[RC45]

Because the government has the task to educate and more or less control its children(society). :wink:

Here in lies the fundamental difference between "us and them".... you believe the government is supposed to control and dictate - we believe the government is supposed to support and assist... ;)

LOL! It might be tempting for you to read confirmation in that, but SPEEDKILLAR was either making a not too serious statement (that would be my guess, considering the :wink: ) or a dumb statement. Cross the pond one day and you'll see... :D

The " :wink: " was added there for that, but that's how our RC45 is, probably reading to fast :P

Oh - I read your :wink: - but you know you like it when your government treats you rough... :P

[sentra_dude]

Thought I would ask this here instead of a new post, but what are peoples opinions of changing a genuine Ferrari 308 into a 288gto?? I was brought by someone wlse in this thread.

The 288gto IMO is one of the best looking Ferrari's about. But is changinf a 308 into a 288 not the same as 'faking'??? :?

Not if you just modify the car to have the muscular appearance of the GTO and then do the engine up to partly deliver the goods... and then...

most importantly... you do NOT slap GTO badges on it...

That's the thing - having a beefy looking 308 is one thing (and they do exist)... but trying to pass it off as a GTO is another.

I agree with RC45 on this one...it's fine to make your 308 look a bit more 'mean' and upgrade the power and such, just as long as you don't try to pass it off as an original 288 GTO.

[jon_s]

Here is a fair effort, he has also kept the 308 badge:
http://home.tiscali.nl/308gto/

edit: top marks! He built the 288 'kit' himself out of sheets of metal! (there are more pics in the 'first pics' section)

[sentra_dude]

That's pretty cool, especially considering he built that kit himself, and I'm glad he left the 308 badge on the back. It looks really badass, and its nice to have a removable top. 8)

Although I think I might be a little pissed when I first found out it wasn't a 288 GTO...I would be all excited that I was seeing an extremely rare 288, only to find out it was really just a 308, but hey. ;)

[jon_s]

well, this is a one off, so technically, more rare than a 288 lol :lol:

[RC45]

And just like the custom coachwork Ferraris of yore... that is an awesome piece of craftsmanship....

Beats a piece of shit Diablo kit (no offense to Diablo's everywhere - just the fake kit ones) by a Nardo mile...

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: 8)

[SPAD]

I would rather have a replica lambo than an M3.even though it may not handle as well as a real diablo it will be close.
but personally i would not put the real lambo badging on it.i would make my own
saymbol because i think it would be cooler the drive "my own creation".