Hey, where did u learned the Heel-and-Toe maneuver?

[veilsidebr]

hey..i would like to know where did u learned the heel-and-toe or who teached you.

I learned myself, just seeing some videos(when i was 13-14 years old), and also for the videogames, because i always listened to that "vroomm..vrooooooom..." while i down the gears and i started thinking how could i make that on a real car...so i learned this way, practicing alot(alone).

Here in brazil the driving-schools(not pro-race-driving schools) don´t teach u how to do it. Just on the pro-race-driving schools, that´s why i would like to know where did u guys learned it, if it was on a driving school or just as me, alone. :D a

[oscargarza88]

well i havent tried it but i got a very good idea of how to do it thanks to the drift bible :D

[veilsidebr]

ahahah yeah...this vid also helps on the "understanding" of the thing. hehe best motoring videos are so nice to u have an ideia of what´s it and how make it :D

[oscargarza88]

ahahah yeah...this vid also helps on the "understanding" of the thing. hehe best motoring videos are so nice to u have an ideia of what´s it and how make it :D
yea, specially when translated to english... :wink:
but i guess its a whole different story when ur actually in the car

[Vansquish]

Steve Sutcliffe from Autocar Magazine.

[number77]

i saw a diagram of it. its really wierd and awakward at first, but after that, its easy as pie. (a bit harder to do it as with the precission of the better scca drivers) there are also a few more driving techniques, but i don't want anyone out there to wreck their cars trying.

[SFDMALEX]

I read about it. And it kind of came naturaly to me. I knew that I would achive a smooth downshift by matching the revs...then I read about heel toe then saw vids and stuff.

[veilsidebr]

well to get in used with it just practicing alot is the solution. When i learned it, about 2 or 3 years ago, (alone) i stayed practicing many and many times on my mom´s car, when i was driving alone(without her know).

After a time, after some tries, u get the maneuver......it´s a thing that when u get in used with it u make it as u change the gears, on an automatic movement... :D

[veilsidebr]

a good place to practice some heel and toe , without spending money with gas, it´s the arcade game Ferrari F355 Chalenge. It´s quite real, u can practice some downshifting, upshifting, heel and toe...it´s so nice

i have i video i made myself about it on the video vault session....Ferrary F355 chalenge arcade game...

For those who played it, they know what i am saying about this game... :D

[astonmartinandy]

I learned it just through practice and more practice, and a few interesting turns where I overshot the braking slightly.. They did a little lesson on it in Evo magazine a few months ago as well which helped to explain some of it.

[Tomerville]

a good place to practice some heel and toe , without spending money with gas, it´s the arcade game Ferrari F355 Chalenge. It´s quite real, u can practice some downshifting, upshifting, heel and toe...it´s so nice

Does it have a clutch?

[SFDMALEX]

a good place to practice some heel and toe , without spending money with gas, it´s the arcade game Ferrari F355 Chalenge. It´s quite real, u can practice some downshifting, upshifting, heel and toe...it´s so nice

Does it have a clutch?

Yes. But an unrealistic one. You can shift without engaging the clutch or matching revs in neutral. You can go from 2nd to 5th while going at 8000rpm. But once you engage it its like a normal clutch.

[veilsidebr]

yeah..it´s not so realistic as in real life, but for heel and toeing it´s just perfect...u can rev the same as u would do in the real life...remember, i sad that is good for practice...just to practice... 8)

[Chingachgook]

I read a lot of it, but it's thank to Best Motoring that now I've understood how to do it

[adamrotor]

I honestly have no idea how to do this, i tried just for practice standing still in my car and it feels weird.

[stracing]

i just found out tiff does it the same way as i do it!

[pakos007]

you mean you do it just like tiff does it :D

[stracing]

ack...same shit

[rob_e1]

What you need to be able to perfect this skill = someone elses car.. lol.

When i was a student i drove a delivery van as a part time job. The van was a beaten up pile of crap with no power, so no fun to drive BUT the ideal vehicle for me to learn heel and toe.

Anyone following and listening would have thought i was mad - heel and toe in to every bend.. :lol:

Also spent a lot if time learning how to match revs on the gearchanges - i could go up and down the box all day without using the clutch - with no clashing. Very satisfying when you get it right (and good practice for a broken clutch cable) but HORRIBLE noises when you get it wrong..

so, don't try it in your pride and joy.. :shock:

[adlinyusman]

i learnt how to do heel and toe gearchanges when i first drove my E46 M3 coupe. It was SMG so i watched and listened on how the engine and the smart computer clutch system managed to (without fail) match the revs on every down change. Then i started practicing on one of my cheaper cars, unfortunately when i tried it on the 355, a friend told me if i don't match the revs correctly, i might over rev the engine and cause a misfire. So now, unfortunately, i don't do it anymore. Let the F1 tranny do all the job i say. But until the paddle shift system gets the 'upshift' right, i guess i'll keep on practicing on my daily commuter. One question, do you hold the clutch and blip the throttle or do you clutch-downshift-depress clutch-brake-blip or do you keep the clutch held the whole time?

[stracing]

clutch is in all the time

this is how i do it
1. brake and clutch
2. shift while blipping the throttle
3. let the clutch out while foot still on brakes

[Ziploc]

i learned from games like Netkar and LFS wich in ways force you to

but then again im missing a pedal but meh i still need to revmatch when braking, and i do it traditionally with one foot :D

and the first movies i saw heel and toe was initial D

[skituner]

i pretty much have no clue how to do this but then again im not driving yet
what exactly is "matchin the revs"?

[oscargarza88]

i pretty much have no clue how to do this but then again im not driving yet
what exactly is "matchin the revs"?
u have to watch some of that chinese/jap racing, the name just blew my mind right now csue im supposed to b studding, well ill let another person explain better.
btw i tries to do this on the ferrari 355 arcade game and its much much harder that it looks cause u r steering, braking, ans shifting and then also acc! i remembered to do that after i was braking!!
but i think its caus emy car is not manual.

[adlinyusman]

oscar, nice avatar. i honestly thought you uploaded an avatar which didn't pan out. until i read the fine print. :mrgreen:

[oscargarza88]

oscar, nice avatar. i honestly thought you uploaded an avatar which didn't pan out. until i read the fine print. :mrgreen:
what do u mean pan out :oops:

[hemi_fan]

I think he meant He thought the error was an actual error... As for the heel-toe goes... If you let off of the clutch in the middle of the shift, its no longer a heel-toe, it is now known as a "double-clutch". This style was used a lot in the past, but now is pretty much obsolete... Also, matching the Revs is when you hit the gas in between downshifts in order to match the speed of the input shaft and output shaft in your transmission for a smoother shift, and also to keep the RPMs higher for corner exiting and prevent the engine from bogging out. If done correctly, as previously mentioned, you do not even need to use the clutch to shift, because the gears in the tranny will all be spinning at the same speed already. I have not tried in my mustang to double clutch yet (but apparently the pedals are perfectly set up for it), but I tried in my dads 92' accord a few times and failed misserably... lol, I always use way too much braking power than I want to, and it was on public roads so I stopped trying.