why doesnt socitey like Eminem?

[Anonymous]

Eminem real name marshall mathers aka Slim Shady
why does society hate him. why does he love controversy?
he says it himself in songs that he love controversy and that if nobody said anything he couldn't rap. tells people that they are feeding the fire.

he is a very talented rapper. lot of people think that rapping is easy. if you do try that shit. its not.

its sad to say but he gets off on pissing people off. look at all his songs
"if you said i never did drugs that would mean a lie and get fucked more that the president does"

"what would it take to push a man far enough to put something material over a human life..........what would drive someone complete over the edge to do some shit like that.... i done filed my lungs of with so much of this crack smoke my necks blooded, my techs loaded, i'm flat broke and i'm pissed off, mad at the world, had it with girls and frusrated..."

"if i hurt yourself asteam and you get dis'd to bad, you know i just be saying that to get you mad, when i rap about stuff you wish you had(background "a big DICK") you know i just being be saying that to get you mad' I cant listen to that song its just to sad"

so why do people fuel his fire.

[nchs09]

why do i hate him.. i hate rap... i find it offensive..... dont aprecoate a grown man yelling and bitching about everything, he thinks he is black, he talks like an idiot..

[DR.GONZO]

I don't really like eminem either! I mean he does has some good ryhmes (some) But I don't like that style of rap!

[Anonymous]

POST YOUR OPINION I KNOW YOU HATE HIM OR LOVE HIM

how could you say he thinks he's black he's always talking about being white. wouldnt you act like the people you grew up around you. if you grew up in asia wouldnt you act like an asian.

he loves people like you people that get offend. people that make a big deal about what he says. fuel his fire , i like the music.

so of his songs are to piss people off. some are feeling expressed with anger. all songs about that (bitch kim). if you listen to the "eminem show" 6,7,8,tracks are all real real true life about him when he hit the bouncer with a gun in a club.

well DOC what kind of rap do you like?

[No.1]

Eminem is an amazing lyricist. The critics agree. Controversy is who he is. You can't rap about the "American Dream", you gotta talk about the hard times.

And the swearing: "Fuck Off" to be replaced with "please would you mind vacating the area". I think not :roll:

Some of you Americans are too idealistic, life is real, Shit does go down.

"I like Jessica Simpson because she sings about beauty and love" - :lol: Bulls@#t. Eminem is amazing, even if you do not like his music i am sure you can appreciate his modern relevance to society?

[DR.GONZO]

more gangsta shit, for rap, But Im a ROCKER! I'm just saying I dont care for his music, That's why I will never buy his album, he is a good lyricist, people hate him cause of what he says I don't hate him I just don't like it. I dunno. That's just me Real instuments in music is what I like better!

[Fleischmann]

Eminem pisses me off, just like everything that ya can see more than 5 times a day on MTV. His lyrics are lame and I just quiet simply hate hip-hop.

[Anonymous]

i feal u on the instuments. i listen to all types of music.

but why gangsta shit. thats fake. i big part of all music is lyrics. meaningful and real. gangsta rap "rob shoot people all the time bitchs" lies lies for the most part/ some truth. they all say they are the hardest. very few gansta rappers are real hard ganstas. 2pac, Nas, biggie, 50 cent(not so much anymore but still will handle business). Jay-z was. he talks about the past.

[Anonymous]

i like eminem, he's a great lyricist and is one of the best rappers in the game now.

i also like many types of music which helps me understand diff ppl's point of view.

usually ppl that dont like rap or gangta rap are turned off by the materialism or jealous of the fact that some, SOME not all, of these rappers have cars and woman that they wished they could have.

i understand how some would prefer rock over rap as there are times i listen to NIN or Deftones to rock out and at the same time i might feel like listening to rap or something to bop my head to like 50 Cent or Jay-Z.

all in all eminem is great and ppl will keep hating on him cuz they dont like the fact that he is better than some black rappers, or that he is white or rich or anything.

[rossc83]

rap = crap.
No relevence to the society I live in.

[Anonymous]

rap = crap.
No relevence to the society I live in.

nice intellignet opinion as im sure not a single ausey listens to rap. :wink: :wink:

[Anonymous]

rap = crap.
No relevence to the society I live in.

nice intellignet opinion as im sure not a single ausey listens to rap. :wink: :wink:

what would they rap about kangaroo's and crocidiles

"i was chillin with my crew when i got in a fight why a kangaroo, i fucked them up it was one on two" :lol:

[Fleischmann]

As Korny_kid71 once wrote: RAP=Retards Attempting Poetry

Well said m8, well said.

[Anonymous]

smart ass what about people that are not rappers
but hip hop artist

do u have one for that

[jasc]

You have to respect Eminem for what he is; the most succesful rapper in history. Does anyone here actually believe that Eminem is the asshole that he is in his songs. I feel sorry for anyone who is so naive. I mean he has you buying his CDs to listen to the next series of controversial lyrics. Eminem is one of the smartest businessmen who has ever lived.

[Anonymous]

You have to respect Eminem for what he is; the most succesful rapper in history. Does anyone here actually believe that Eminem is the asshole that he is in his songs. I feel sorry for anyone who is so naive. I mean he has you buying his CDs to listen to the next series of controversial lyrics. Eminem is one of the smartest businessmen who has ever lived.

true but
when is an asshole its because of stupid people pushing him to far. hes just like everbody else. if you push someone they will push back.

just like all celebs. they dont like to be followed around everywhere.

have you listen to any underground eminem. thats the real real stuff.
if you listen to both then you can see how he was on "both sides of the track" poor and rich

and how he dealed with being poor and how he deals with being rich

[666fast]

The controversy is because he is gonna say what he wants to say and he isn't going to let anyone stop him. Afterall, he has the right to say whatever he wants.

The comment that he wants to be black is just stupid. Just because rap is dominated by black people doesn't mean he wants to be black. By that arguement, Elvis wanted to be black too. :roll:

I listen to some of his music, but not a whole lot. He is very talented though. I'm willing to bet not a single person on this board could do what he does.


You have to respect Eminem for what he is; the most succesful rapper in history


He has done very well, but he isn't the most successful rapper. Tupac and the Beastie Boys still outsell him. Although, it won't be long, soon Eminem will be the top selling rapper ever.

[DeMoN]

I dont like music that much, however, there are plenty of Eminem songs I like. What I llike the most is how he acts about it. He doesnt feel supperior to the rest. The way he takes life and the lyrics of his songs dont show superiority to others. He raps what he thinks and that must be respected. I dont know why you guys bitch about an adult yelling and then say you like Rock. That is plainly dumb. At least you can decifer what Eminem says when he raps unlike any Rock singer with his songs. It is amazing how he basically gives a shit about money and spends it without bitching and showing off.

[Anonymous]

I dont like music that much, however, there are plenty of Eminem songs I like. What I llike the most is how he acts about it. He doesnt feel supperior to the rest. The way he takes life and the lyrics of his songs dont show superiority to others. He raps what he thinks and that must be respected. I dont know why you guys bitch about an adult yelling and then say you like Rock. That is plainly dumb. At least you can decifer what Eminem says when he raps unlike any Rock singer with his songs. It is amazing how he basically gives a shit about money and spends it without bitching and showing off.

ONE very wise man

you never here eminem showing off the things he has. not like other rappers

[BADMIHAI]

aggrivated man wrote:
rossc83 wrote:
rap = crap.
No relevence to the society I live in.


nice intellignet opinion as im sure not a single ausey listens to rap.


what would they rap about kangaroo's and crocidiles


And you are just proving his point. BTW: Learn how to spell, you dumb piece of shit!

I, on the other hand, can relate to rap! Canada is such a tough place to live in! All these mad "ballerz", "everyone's strapped with a nine".....BULLSIT ! I can't relate to rap, and I wouldn't want to. Eminem can suck my dick. I am not a wigger, and I don't "feel" this "rap culture, yo". It's quite funny how all these wiggers want to live in the ghetto, while all the people in the "projects" only dream of moving to the suburbs. And some people have the nerve to say life is fair! :fist: :fist: :fist:

[DeMoN]

Another thing I forgot to point about Eminem is the videos he makes for his songs. They do not aim, like the rest of the rap singers, to show off. He does not appear in the middle of 30 semi-naked girls. He doesnt give a fuck about women. In fact, he always shows how dumb most of the "groopies" can be and include his sentiments toward women in his songs. He is always showing how fake these women are in liking guys for the amount of money they have in their pockets. The rest of the rap singers dance, well actually semi-jump, between semi-naked women to show off to the world that they can afford paying for dumb asses and those dumb asses (women in the vids) accept to be used as objects just to appear in a vid and pray to god that some model manager watches the video and have some interest in them. Those women are worth dirt. I could go on, but I gotta go shower lol I just came back from the gim.

[Anonymous]

do you hate rap or just the things that rap about

check out underground hip hop its not about ballers and killing people. its about feeling, girls, music, drugs addictions, things other people can relate to eminem used to be underground. i you have and open mind to music check out slug, sage francis, murs, all rappers from minnesota, wisconsin
http://feltep.com/

its not gangsta rap

[Junk2006]

I, on the other hand, can relate to rap! Canada is such a tough place to live in! All these mad "ballerz", "everyone's strapped with a nine".....BULLSIT ! I can't relate to rap
You don't have to relate to something to be able to enjoy it. Its not like I am not going to listen to Led Zeppelin because he sung about death and I can't relate to what he is talking about. And you can relate to something in a remote way, you don't have to relate to something directly. Not everybody has experienced death but some people have experienced a friend moving away which is also a loss

BTW: Learn how to spell, you dumb piece of shit!...BULLSIT !
Nice contradiction :D

[Anonymous]

junk i agree with what you wrote but i still think
you're a smelly piece of shit :mrgreen:

[Junk2006]

Fuck you shithead no joke intended

[TT]

Guys, stop your usual insulting rampage or I will have to close this topic.. can't you really get along politely?

[Junk2006]

O K sorry

[BADMIHAI]

BTW: Learn how to spell, you dumb piece of shit!...BULLSIT !

Nice contradiction



"BULLSIT" is used around here. No contradiction there.

[deth]

I dont think the reason his music has become popular is related to whether is true or not. if u like it or hate it, either way he's a good story teller. IMO thats all it boils down to.

[Anonymous]

ok TT

i Think that good music is, let it be rap, rock, or country, is music that is true, not lies, it talks about real life things that happen to that person other other people. not everybody can relate directly(like junk said) to everything some says.

unless you live in the mountains by yourself and never ever come out or talk to anyone .

if you dont then i'm sure there is a song that eminen wrote that you can relate to.

and if not then i'm really sure that there is a hip hop artist that u can relate to

[deth]

i Think that good music is, let it be rap, rock, or country, is music that is true, not lies, it talks about real life things that happen to that person other other people.

i dont agree.....i think music is more of an escape. it doesnt have to be true, not saying that it cant be. remember above all music is ENTERTAINMENT. IMO thats the reason why eminem is so angry. he's annoyed that ppl dont understand that his music is entertaiment, something ot be enjoyed and used to pass the time. just because he raps about killing somebody doesnt mean he's done it or condones it.

[Anonymous]

You dont see music as a form of expression for the artist.

Artist: Atmosphere
Song Title: A Girl Named Hope
Album Lyrics:
[Buy " " CD]

She abandoned me left out in the cold
no suprises i guess that's how it goes
sits across from me in a booth in this dive
i contemplate how much more i can survive
but-how i'm alive so i should be content
then tell why the hell my whole world is bent
i was sento make and frustrate the population
inbetween the alcohol and the copulation
what you callin' it
if you build it i will break it
wait, what's wrong, how you doin'
naa, save it
gave a fraction of all i had to give
i guess i hold a grudge becuase you still got my rib with ya
beautiful eyes, scrupulous lies
now watch this circus clown run around in circles and try
seems like all i get to eat is Hope
girl if we got along better we'd be dope

oh walls, they surround me
lonliness has found me

i've heard as much as i complain
i'm lovin' it
and i only mention it so that i can rub it in
wake up to the sunlike shake off lastn ight
check what's left and try to get the rest right
decision spklitting headache lifting
symptoms matching
mamma was afraid of it
knowledge of self ain't as evil as they made it
call it what you want
if you bild it they will break it
the plain truth, there's no substitute
but sometimes she wears a disguise-yes you fo
a story teller deals with life not Hope
girl if we got along better we'd be dope

And that's the sound that a dog will make
when he's just been hit with a car
that's the tone that hits close to home
when the cocaine outlives the star
that the noise that disrupts the boys
when the q-ball packs the bowl
and these are the words that disturb the earth
when i walk away with your Hope

[deth]

You dont see music as a form of expression for the artist.

nono..i agree completely its a form of expression, not intention

[Anonymous]

check this out
Slug from atmosphere
Slug is one of the biggest underground stars

Artist: Atmosphere
Song Title: Clay
Album Lyrics:

When I first landed the damage was outlandish
anguish, anxiousness, and taking it for granted
but when I first landed I was so relieved I lost my focus
so we exceeded recommended dosages
now I hold the crib? that holds the soul that holds the poet skills
exlcusive it leaves illusions of unfocused flows
I don't suppose you're taking too much time
breaking too much mind trying to unravel the parable?
that dismantled and left the lines in need of some assembly
so I can find the secret key and free all the emcees
this planet spins on a thin axis
all axis passes won't help you to grasp the atmos'
I mean, what did you think
my agenda was to freestyle, smile, get paid to smoke weed,
and grab the mic and spoonfeed?
there's more to this than just paying the rent
if you're riding on this song you need to ride it to the end

[Chorus]
what could you say as the Earth gets further and further away?
planets as small as balls of clay (x4)

some shells get broke
some keep their wigs closed
some get exposed as little man big pose
some make moves and some stay daydreamers
but everbody seems to want some loot, food amd a beemer
well make mine hunter green with camel insides,
10 percent tips, Mr. Pibb and some french fries
inch by inch I take it closer to the shoulder
but day by day it's getting harder to stay sober
once again on the edge, head's inebriated
movement needs motive, it's easier to be sedated

what makes me mighty and another tiny?
why does my psyche give a damn about whether or not you like me?
if this crime's right I might be wrong
I grip this mic tight because it's all I really have a grip on
so let the losers lose and let the players play
the difference is the day to the dust some clay, what

[Chorus - 4X]

who's world is that? it ain't mine, and I'm grateful
already got a plate full of clay on my table
I'm capable of handling fate, I know this
so do the people that get pissed when this microphonist spits
too many get caught up in the lines that emcees thought up
but it's clear to me the ones that fear me are the one's that outta
I spot a blemish on your planet's existence
I deliver subtle terror submerged in clever sentences
instantly pissin? away the misfits
the only residue that came of the hypothecially spew they sprayed
when they swayed I'd have em
half of 'em can't fathom
where the 'Mats? from
I may be on those
you can ask 'em
at last, when we get down to it
there's more than sand and fluid
in how I revolve and evolve
can we solve the secrets? No.
can we take trinkets? No.
so when the ink hits it's more than just a sequenced flow
I can't bring you with me so I'm a leave me here
centuries from now they're gonna study Atmosphere
carefully I steer, I'm aware life is fatal
when I go, I wanna go like Ho, taken by the play-dough

[Chorus - 4X]

that is not anything close to gangsta rap.

[BADMIHAI]

Do you really want to know why most of society doesn't like Eminem? They don't like him because he's not for the "American dream", and he presents the dark side of the American society. People in the suburbs (adults, not their wigger, spoiled brats they call "kids") don't want to hear about "niggaz'" geting shot in Detroit, or about raped women, or anything like that. Since the country is basically controlled by these people living in the suburbs, it's easy to defame people like Eminem, and make them look bad. It's not like he's really a good guy, after all.

[Anonymous]

yea i know

shady view for a reason

[MAE]

I dont like him beacuse of his style and nasal voice and joker video´s.
And i dont get ppl that say that rap is crap.
Go and listen to One more chance with Notorious BIG and then tell me if this offended you or if you didnt feel the flow of his rap.
IF u dont admit it your a bit bilnd and dont want to admit it.

[Anonymous]

biggie is not as great as every loves to say. there are so many more rappers that are better than he was(RIP)

ones that people dont even know about. I think slug, Murs, Grouch, and may be sage francis are all better lyrical rappers. they put words together that most rappers dont even know exist.

[666fast]

I'd liek to point out that both Atmosphere and Sage Francis rock.

[rossc83]

rap = crap.
No relevence to the society I live in.

nice intellignet opinion as im sure not a single ausey listens to rap. :wink: :wink:

what would they rap about kangaroo's and crocidiles

"i was chillin with my crew when i got in a fight why a kangaroo, i fucked them up it was one on two" :lol:

Sure some Aussies listen to rap, my youngest daughter for one, (though she seems to have grown out of it). That doesn't make it relevent to our society.
As for fighting a 'roo, they carry quite a kick (pun intended) try it sometime, you might just have to pick your guts up off the floor.

[geekdiggy]

this whole thread is wrong to hell. what makes anyone think society hates eminem? the man has sold some double-digit millions of records, made one of the most successful movies of all time, every child in every household is buying his cd's, full grown fuckin adults bump his shit on their way to work at their workplace on lunch break, so how exactly does that indicate that society hates him? in the contrary, society LOVES him. be it buying his music, or plastering his name/face all over tabloids and news articles, Em is VERY important to most people in this (and every) country in one way or another. without him, what would everyone be talking about or listening to? exactly.

for those of you insulting his music, i have a hefty amount of pity for you. music isn't just "instruments". who said it is? you have to be playing a guitar or a real piano to be considered a "musician"? idunno if you illiterate fucks know this but, music is SOUND, be it a trumpet riff, violin solo, squawking noises with your mouth, or rythmic banging on a fuckin table, music is SOUND, authentic or synthetic. so your days of discounting him as a musician are over.

for those of you insulting his lyrics, i have an even GREATER amount of pity for you, for you are the ignorant ones who don't have the slightest smidgen of understanding for lyricism. eminem has quite simply the greatest lyrics/flow/breath-control of any rapper that ever lived and yes, i'd say that to tupac's FACE if i had the chance. and if you don't agree, you're either supremely ignorant or too closed-minded to realize it. take it from someone who's been doing lyrical rap from the age of 7, i've heard it ALL and eminem easily eclipses just about anyone who ever spoke a word into a microphone.

it all boils down to this: the reason any of you regard him negatively is that you're either anti-honesty or you don't know the whole story, which technically means you're IGNORANT. ignorance goes a long way in making yourself look stupid.

geekdiggy = laughing at you all right now

[SFDMALEX]

idunno if you illiterate fucks know this but, music is SOUND, be it a trumpet riff, violin solo, squawking noises with your mouth, or rythmic banging on a fuckin table, music is SOUND,


Dude. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! I gotta save this one. :o :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Junk2006]

eminem has quite simply the greatest lyrics/flow/breath-control of any rapper that ever lived and yes, i'd say that to tupac's FACE if i had the chance.
To say that Eminem is better than Tupac is a huge stretch of the truth Tupac spoke the truth. He rapped about what was most important what was happening in society. Unlike Eminem who raps about hating his parents

[nchs09]

rap = crap.
No relevence to the society I live in.its all over there in atlanta, unfortuannly :roll:


but i agree with the first part

[BADMIHAI]

idunno


Spelling...


idunno if you illiterate fucks know this but, music is SOUND, be it a trumpet riff, violin solo, squawking noises with your mouth, or rythmic banging on a fuckin table, music is SOUND, authentic or synthetic.


Run-on sentences...

Yet we're the illiterate ones.

I don't hate Eminem, and I have nothing against him. I can't say I love his music, because I can't relate to it. I have a certain amount of respect for what he does, but I can't relate to it.

[Anonymous]

I don't like everthing eminem has done but i must say i think its him promotes his bad public image. Controversy sells and he is smart enough to recognise that is why people percieve that 'nobody likes him' in fact he has the power to launch careers (50 cent) ad while i'm not really into rap you have to respect what he has achieved so far

[DR.GONZO]

I really don't conider m&m rap, or hip hop he is in the middle whatever they start to call that. He was just a white trash dude that made it big!

July 1988
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/eminem.jpg
alf rocks though!

June 26 1992
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/eminem3.jpg

[rossc83]

it all boils down to this: the reason any of you regard him negatively is that you're either anti-honesty or you don't know the whole story, which technically means you're IGNORANT. ignorance goes a long way in making yourself look stupid.

geekdiggy = laughing at you all right now

Let me get this right, if I don't agree with you, I'm ignorant......now there is some deep thinking!
Maybe I just don't like his "music"

geekdiggy = being laughed at right now

[RC45]

He was just a white trash dude that made it big!


Truth always comes in one-liners....

[Kangaroo Boy]

I just reckon Eminem is just another product of MTV trying to sell an image just like Limp Bizkit.I never been a fan of Comerical Pop music,but MTV was going down the drain(in the mid 90s),Untill Eminem came along with Limp Bizkit etc MTV did alot of research on "My Generation"(proably the most depressed generation so far) views on things,found a product they can sell back to us,and now we have Comerical Rap(and its growing).
I'm into hard Rock,Thrash Metal and Industrial Metal and I don't like rap.

[Fleischmann]

I just reckon Eminem is just another product of MTV trying to sell an image just like Limp Bizkit.I never been a fan of Comerical Pop music,but MTV was going down the drain(in the mid 90s),Untill Eminem came along with Limp Bizkit etc MTV did alot of research on "My Generation"(proably the most depressed generation so far) views on things,found a product they can sell back to us,and now we have Comerical Rap(and its growing).
I'm into hard Rock,Thrash Metal and Industrial Metal and I don't like rap.

I agree with ya totally.

IMO Eminem is rapping just for the money. How else can ya explain the fact that he makes at least 4 music videos for every CD he releases. ANSWER: Coz he wants TV stations like VIVA and MTV to play his music all the time. Lyrics in music should express someones feelings, so I don't understand why he makes musicvideos ilustrating him diggin' a grave for his mother. A weirdo, that's who he is.
And this guy has had bad influence on Polish hip hop. The lyrics in the songs are BS, and the guys claim that they "sing about life". LMAO !!

Before anyone jumps at me, I just wanna remind ya guys that this is a forum and I'm entitled to my own opinion :)

P.S. Metal rules!! :)

[Kangaroo Boy]

I agree with you brother^^

[geekdiggy]

To say that Eminem is better than Tupac is a huge stretch of the truth Tupac spoke the truth. He rapped about what was most important what was happening in society. Unlike Eminem who raps about hating his parents

and eminem's lyrics aren't truth? his mom and dad were shady as fuck, the media treats him like shit and he hates his wife, what, you think that's not truth? what, just because his lifetime was composed of something different than a supposed "gangsta rapper" it means he's not speaking about what happens in life? get outta here


idunno


Spelling...


idunno if you illiterate fucks know this but, music is SOUND, be it a trumpet riff, violin solo, squawking noises with your mouth, or rythmic banging on a fuckin table, music is SOUND, authentic or synthetic.


Run-on sentences...

Yet we're the illiterate ones.

^^absolutely nothing to say so he's pulling the wise-ass technicality card. go you!

I really don't conider m&m rap, or hip hop he is in the middle whatever they start to call that. He was just a white trash dude that made it big!


so tell me, what do YOU consider hip hop? how can YOU judge what's rap or hip-hop if you don't even listen to it? you're a self-proclaimed rock fan and you're judging rap. wow. and so what's wrong with where he started? most rappers started from nothing and then made it big, why do you regard eminem differently when he came from the same low roots? oh it's because he's white, right? :roll:



Let me get this right, if I don't agree with you, I'm ignorant...

no. if you pass unfounded judgemetn, you're ignorant.

I just reckon Eminem is just another product of MTV trying to sell an image just like Limp Bizkit.
IMO Eminem is rapping just for the money.

^^see these are two examples of what i was talking about "ignorance". why is it so hard for you people to accept the fact that eminem is just a genuine artist who has talent and works hard? please, give me a logical explanation as to why you guys think he's just in it for the money.

here's something to think about: if eminem is just a part of an "image", like limp bizkit (whom you folks liken him to), then how is it that he was able to sell so much or survive a career of 7+ years and counting? i'll tell you how, TALENT, DEVOTION. i don't know why i'm expecting you folks to understand, closed mindedness is really hard to get through. people like you are the people he makes fun of so often in his records; people who judge him by his skin color or his childhood and make judgements on his career/success yet know not a damn thing about him.

thanks for the workout everyone :wink:

[Kangaroo Boy]

What happend with Marshall Mathers when he was growing up etc is a sad story,I have nothing against that,I didn't say,Eminem is their for the money.But I said is that MTV has expoilt him,made an image from him to sell to you and me.

[geekdiggy]

MTV exploits EVERYONE. if anything, THEY'RE the ones that are in it for the money. that's not eminem's fault.

[Kangaroo Boy]

And geekdiggy-Are you black?(not being racist of anything,Just a general question)

[geekdiggy]

no. what's the importance of that question?

[Fleischmann]

^^see these are two examples of what i was talking about "ignorance". why is it so hard for you people to accept the fact that eminem is just a genuine artist who has talent and works hard? please, give me a logical explanation as to why you guys think he's just in it for the money.


ok...give me one good reason (just one and I'll drop the case) why he makes so many musicvideos ?? There are 13 of them...that's quite a lot, don't ya thnk??


here's something to think about: if eminem is just a part of an "image", like limp bizkit (whom you folks liken him to), then how is it that he was able to sell so much or survive a career of 7+ years and counting?


Coz of MTV and Viva. He became popular because of "I'm the real shady" (I think that's what it's called). From then on it went downhill. I bet anyone $100 that it was the first Eminem song ya ever heard.

BTW - I checked on some fan site, here are the proportions:

BEFORE:
5CD's - 3 musicvideos

AFTER:
2CD's - 10 musicvidoes

[Kangaroo Boy]

Nothing,Just a general question...

[Fleischmann]

MTV exploits EVERYONE. if anything, THEY'RE the ones that are in it for the money. that's not eminem's fault.

Then wtf is the point of making musicvidz for fucks sake??

[possessed_beaver]

eminem is a product of media companys trying 2 make money, look at all the other poofters that have spawned since this whole eminem crazy thing, all singing about the same bulshit!!
"i fucked my whife.. dawg.. then i killed them all.. dawg"
and then it gets played on the radio, about 100 times a week.
and the average length of his songs is 3:30.
i think it's not a case of society hating eminem so much, it's all the little wankers that it has spawned, that hang around shopping cntr's thinking they are cool, and girls wearing baggy cloaths, with sporting numbers written on them, smoking cigerets, and having evrey second word that comes out of there mouth been "dawg" "bitch" or "hoe"

think rap.. then think of all the morons that like it that you see shoplifting, and acting like total wankers.

thanks eminem.. you have made a generation think wearing cloths 2 big for you and speaking like a dickhead makes you cool...

[Kangaroo Boy]

^^ SO TRUE,SO TRUE^^^

[possessed_beaver]

MTV exploits EVERYONE. if anything, THEY'RE the ones that are in it for the money. that's not eminem's fault.

Then wtf is the point of making musicvidz for fucks sake??

it can also be used for portraying a music artests, perceptions, belief's
look at music video's from bands like tool, they aren't trying to make money by having deep disturbing, and oftern banned from TV music video's.

[Fleischmann]

MTV exploits EVERYONE. if anything, THEY'RE the ones that are in it for the money. that's not eminem's fault.

Then wtf is the point of making musicvidz for fucks sake??

it can also be used for portraying a music artests, perceptions, belief's
look at music video's from bands like tool, they aren't trying to make money by having deep disturbing, and oftern banned from TV music video's.

Yes, if those are their beliefs, than it's good that they make them. But Eminem makes 5 of them per CD and I find that a bit strange. They make 1 video per album, just to promote their fantastic work.

[geekdiggy]

ok...give me one good reason (just one and I'll drop the case) why he makes so many musicvideos ??

BECAUSE HE CAN. period. and no, 13 is NOT a lot of videos, considering his career has spanned the better part of 3/4 of a decade

He became popular because of "I'm the real shady" (I think that's what it's called). From then on it went downhill. I bet anyone $100 that it was the first Eminem song ya ever heard.

fyi it was "my name is" and yes it's the first song most people have heard BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS DEBUT SONG. i bet "oops i did it again" was the first brittney spears song you've ever heard. :roll:


Then wtf is the point of making musicvidz for fucks sake??

WHY NOT?

eminem is a product of media companys trying 2 make money, look at all the other poofters that have spawned since this whole eminem crazy thing, all singing about the same bulshit!!
"i fucked my whife.. dawg.. then i killed them all.. dawg"
and then it gets played on the radio, about 100 times a week.
and the average length of his songs is 3:30.
i think it's not a case of society hating eminem so much, it's all the little wankers that it has spawned, that hang around shopping cntr's thinking they are cool, and girls wearing baggy cloaths, with sporting numbers written on them, smoking cigerets, and having evrey second word that comes out of there mouth been "dawg" "bitch" or "hoe"

think rap.. then think of all the morons that like it that you see shoplifting, and acting like total wankers.

thanks eminem.. you have made a generation think wearing cloths 2 big for you and speaking like a dickhead makes you cool...

it's really disappointing to see you say something THAT uneducated and DUMB. everything you described has been there LOOOOOONG before eminem ever came onto the scene. i think you just find it convenient to blame it on him since he jestfully addresses/encourages those kinds of things in his songs. "yeah let's all blame the screaming white boy" :roll:

if those are their beliefs, than it's good that they make them. But Eminem makes 5 of them per CD and I find that a bit strange.

why is it strange? if he's got the staff, resources and funding to do five videos for one album why SHOULDN'T he?

it's really frustrating to hear you people say this and that about eminem only doing it for the money, being the product of exploitation and marketability blah blah blah when it's obvious you guys know absolutely NOTHING about it. what a shame

[Kangaroo Boy]

it's really frustrating to hear you people say this and that about eminem only doing it for the money, being the product of exploitation and marketability blah blah blah when it's obvious you guys know absolutely NOTHING about it. what a shame

How do you know he isn't there for the money?Do you know him personally?How do you know?Where do you get your information?

[geekdiggy]

Do you know him personally?How do you know?Where do you get your information?

FROM HIM. he's not some closet goblin, he actually informs his fans on who he is and what the music industry is to him, etc etc, it's not like anybody has to know him personally to know these things. what, you think i'm bullshitting? :roll: you could learn more about him from his Eminem Show bonus dvd than you could ever learn from a thousand news articles or MTV reports. pm me and we'll discuss me ripping the bonus dvd and sending it to you

on a side not i appreciate you putting "my mate" but i can assure you there's absolutely no need to get worried or kiss my ass, i believe this is still an intelligent (yet tense) adult discussion

[possessed_beaver]

it's really disappointing to see you say something THAT uneducated and DUMB. everything you described has been there LOOOOOONG before eminem ever came onto the scene. i think you just find it convenient to blame it on him since he jestfully addresses/encourages those kinds of things in his songs. "yeah let's all blame the screaming white boy" :roll:


i wasen't saying eminem invented thoes actions or currnelty holds patants on them was i!!

but what lifestyle does he encourage, to very young, stupid surgestiable kids!

im not blaming a screaming white boy, but look whats going to of happened once the dust settles on eminem and all thoes other rappers, they will come to the realisation they are well.. crap

lets analise one of there mannnyyy video's
we have hummers, with bling
chicks, with bling
and 25 year old guys (black or white) who probley hold criminal records, thinking they are hot shit.

there is nothing origional in what him and the rest of the rappers do, they all look the same, they all dress the same, they all sound the same,
they all have connections, it's just a very pathetic culcture to be in and associated with IMO

[geekdiggy]

see there you go again man. you're likening eminem to those other supposed hip hop artists, but if you knew ANYTHING about eminem, you'd know that he's NOT that kind of rapper. you'll never hear him mention ANYTHING about what he drives, how much money or jewelry he's got, how big his house is or how many women surround him. he does NOT put that garbage in his song. and the fact that you even made that analogy shows that you DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING, period. and that's what i've been saying all along, judgement based on ignorance. do i really need to explain that any further.?

[yg60m]

I don't really try to understand what he says when i hear his songs so no problem with the texts :wink:
I like his music and all the texts are not to blame. In France we have a band call NTM (nique ta mère) that mean : fuck your mother. :lol:

[possessed_beaver]

see there you go again man. you're likening eminem to those other supposed hip hop artists, but if you knew ANYTHING about eminem, you'd know that he's NOT that kind of rapper. you'll never hear him mention ANYTHING about what he drives, how much money or jewelry he's got, how big his house is or how many women surround him. he does NOT put that garbage in his song. and the fact that you even made that analogy shows that you DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING, period. and that's what i've been saying all along, judgement based on ignorance. do i really need to explain that any further.?

to my knowlage he drives a 300zx, and a ferrari 360/355, ohhh and proibley about 50 hummers, and other assorted SUV's

for someone who try's 2 act rough and tough.. he acts like a girl,
as in that "without me" video clip, lets look at that, he dresses like a total tool, but yet at the same time, trys to maintain himself as a rough gangster...
kinda of a oximoron, of you ask me.

i don't see metallica dressing up like childrens characters, then try and act rough..

[geekdiggy]

to my knowlage he drives a 300zx, and a ferrari 360/355, ohhh and proibley about 50 hummers, and other assorted SUV's

for someone who try's 2 act rough and tough.. he acts like a girl,
as in that "without me" video clip, lets look at that, he dresses like a total tool, but yet at the same time, trys to maintain himself as a rough gangster...
kinda of a oximoron, of you ask me.


yay for more ignorance. he drives those things? yes. he raps about them? NO. will he ever? NO. just get off that already cuz it's taking you nowhere. and i don't know WHERE you picked up the indication that he's trying to be a "rough gangster". that was so stupid it's funny :lol:

and you know damn well that his costumes in "without me" were intended to be humorous, and if you don't know that then you're either too closed minded or just DUMB. if you ask me, i'd say you're just nitpicking in desperation, looking for any tiny little reason not to like him because you don't WANT to understand. now why's that? :roll:

[Kangaroo Boy]

on a side not i appreciate you putting "my mate" but i can assure you there's absolutely no need to get worried or kiss my ass, i believe this is still an intelligent (yet tense) adult discussion
I knew you wouldn't like it ..lol..I don't kiss peoples arses.I'm not gay.

[nejcdolinsek]

Eminem is the only rapper I like. His lyrics make sense, and his beats and melodies are much better than other rappers.

[Fleischmann]

Do you know him personally?How do you know?Where do you get your information?

FROM HIM. he's not some closet goblin, he actually informs his fans on who he is and what the music industry is to him, etc etc, it's not like anybody has to know him personally to know these things. what, you think i'm bullshitting?


OMG!! Is that the evidence you have ?? HAHAHA. But seriously... c'mon dude...just like Michael jackson a few years ago...wherever he had his concerts he always claimed that it is the most beuatiful country he had ever been to, he loves the people there etc. Did ya believe him ??

Where does all your trust in him come from??

[possessed_beaver]

geekdiggy
mate i say we should just agree to disagree on this matter, i don't want eminem out of all people interfearing with our friendship - ok mate

[SFDMALEX]

The guy got talent period. If he did not have talent he would not sell millions of albums...Is he doing it for the money? Well hell yea. What do you think? He is making money of his hobby. Rapping! Thats what all people in life want, making money of doing things you love.

Why does he have so many music videos? What a dumb question...cause he can?

Whats wrong with MTV exploiting him? Let them do it.

I really dont see were all these haters are coming from.

I seriously dont get this thread. Do you people think he got no talent? If you say "NO" well thats your opinion, but its still stupid. If you say he got talent, then were's all the hatred coming from?


P.S I dont listen to much rap, once in a while a little bit, but Im no rap fan. But if you are a real music fan then you can tell when something is good or bad, no matter what kind of music it is. He is good at what he is doing. Period.

[Fleischmann]

geekdiggy
mate i say we should just agree to disagree on this matter, i don't want eminem out of all people interfearing with our friendship - ok mate

Yeah...I respect your opinions, Geekdiggy.

But I find these kinds of arguments positive as they just make me feel stronger one way or another. I can't say that Eminem has no talent, as I am totally not into hip hop.

[Overmind]

wtf are you guys arguing about??!

he is a good singer, or at least, I like some of his songs, maybe you don't, and it's all that have to matter. You can't thing about anything else.

Cotroversy, "real life lyrics", "hated by the society" ??? OMG! That's all a marketing bullshit, that some dickheads at the studio think will attract more stupid fucktards to buy his CDs. You have to understand that if you choose to listen/not to listen to his music, by only what his current image in media (MTV or whatever) is (I say media, because while there's this kind of money around him, you have absolutely NO CHANCE to get to know, who he in reality is, no matter how hard you try), then they've made right calculations on how to target the certain part of the population to buy his music.

[SFDMALEX]

The guy got talent period. If he did not have talent he would not sell millions of albums...


I am sorry, but selling millions of albums have nothing to do with talent bro.....
Take a look at the spice girls they sold millions of albums and NOBODY in that group had anything close to talent, and that goes for many boybands and other put together bands.....
Selling albums is all about PR these days, just once in a while the real deal comes thru and blows it all away.
In rap Eminem is one of the best and have been for a long time....

I am not saying that Eminem aint talented, cuz he is in my opinion.
I got some mp3`s of his work, and got no problem when somebody put it on either,its just not my cup of tea..... :wink:

But think about it, things have changed the last years.....

The best golfer is black (tiger woods) the best rapper is white (Eminem) and the Americas cup trophy is in Switzerland (The most exclusive sailing trophy in a country without a coast line)

I agree. But Spice Girls sold millions because they were great at what they were doing. BUBBLE POP lol. It was great(I assume) music for kids 9-11.
Eminem sold millions because he is great at rap.
Eminem got "enough" talent to shine in the HIP HOP scene.
Spice girls had "all the talent needed" to succed in the bubble pop scene.

I hope I you understand what Im trying to say.

All of the ones mentioned have their respective talents in their music.

I just think you can not compare talent in different areas of the music genres.

You can compare Steve Ray Vaughn to Hendrix, but you cannot compare BB Kings talent with Eminems...And this is what I saw happening in thread when the talent arguments started.

In conclusion I could not care less about Eminem. I really dont care. But from reading his lyrics and hearing him rap all I got to say is that "The boy got talent".

[Overmind]

Selling albums is all about PR these days

that's my words :)

OFF TOPIC: do you guys buy music CDs?

[HeilSvenska]

Do you actually need a reason to hate EMinem? His very existence should have never been accepted

[SFDMALEX]

Do you actually need a reason to hate EMinem? His very existence should have never been accepted

Care to explain why?

[SFDMALEX]

OFF TOPIC: do you guys buy music CDs?

yes.

[rossc83]

Lets face it, a lot of people don't like his "music".
Get over it.

[DTM8]

Eminem is just one of those instances where he was at the right place at the right time. Dr. Dre with a combination of luck and talent is the reason why he became this big.

Personally, I don't like his music. Obviously, many would disagree with me probably because they find talent in him. His rhymes are simple, most of his music is simple, and lastly, he is WHITE! Believe me, I heard most of his songs from other people blasting there eminem music thinking that they themselves will someday be rappers.

Ok, fine, I understand his struggle when he was younger and yes, the guy has talent, but he is still just a wigger to me.

[BADMIHAI]

OFF TOPIC: do you guys buy music CDs?

yes.

yes.


Hell no! I've never bought a genuine CD in my life, and I never will. Kazaa rules!

[Anonymous]

Hell no! I've never bought a genuine CD in my life, and I never will. Kazaa rules!

Yeah so do mates with huge cd colections also blockbuster and makes my dvd writer pay back its cost many times over!!

[BADMIHAI]

I donate all my possessions to Mihai, because he rules!


Thank you, brembo! :twisted: :wink:

[BADMIHAI]

LOL, nice try......you got to come and get it.......



Could I get your girlfriend too, if I'm gonna come all the way to Norway? Norwegian girls are HOT! Of course, your Audi is a must!

[SFDMALEX]

but he is still just a wigger to me.

No offence but, fuck all this stereotyping bullshit.

A white guy wears of pair of baggy pants and he's a wigger. Fuck off I wear what I want.

I wear a tight shirt and Im a fucking gino(gino in Toronto is a guy born in Canada trying to act all European and getting it all wrong)

Whata fuck am I supposed to wear? Cause Im white I have to dress up like an innocent church boy? Fuck off.

I get this shit all the time. You wigger you gino, you rocker....WTF? Im fucking Alex the Ukrainian guy.

I do rap and Im white and Im a thug?

Eminem is a wigger? Hes not acting like one so how is he? What are you trying to say that he is supposed to wear armani?

You guys in Europe may not get this post, but in north america fucking tards try to put a label on you all the fucking time. Your either as skater, a rocker, a thug gino here.

[geekdiggy]

this thread is fuckin hopeless.

[SFDMALEX]

this thread is fuckin hopeless.

I agree.

[BADMIHAI]

You guys in Europe may not get this post, but in north america fucking tards try to put a label on you all the fucking time. Your either as skater, a rocker, a thug gino here.


It's mostly because Canadians are ignorant.

[BADMIHAI]

/\/\/\ Aint we all in one way or another?.............


That's only you, brembo :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: .

[Junk2006]

why do i hate him.. i hate rap... i find it offensive..... dont aprecoate a grown man yelling and bitching about everything, he thinks he is black, he talks like an idiot..
No he doesn't

[DTM8]

but he is still just a wigger to me.

No offence but, fuck all this stereotyping bullshit.

A white guy wears of pair of baggy pants and he's a wigger. Fuck off I wear what I want.

I wear a tight shirt and Im a fucking gino(gino in Toronto is a guy born in Canada trying to act all European and getting it all wrong)

Whata fuck am I supposed to wear? Cause Im white I have to dress up like an innocent church boy? Fuck off.

I get this shit all the time. You wigger you gino, you rocker....WTF? Im fucking Alex the Ukrainian guy.

I do rap and Im white and Im a thug?

Eminem is a wigger? Hes not acting like one so how is he? What are you trying to say that he is supposed to wear armani?

You guys in Europe may not get this post, but in north america fucking tards try to put a label on you all the fucking time. Your either as skater, a rocker, a thug gino here.

Ok, you are missing the point.

I do not classify people, especially by the way they dress.

Ok, yes, I am white, and I do listen to some of the old school hip hop songs, but Eminem is just aiding in making a negative impact in teenagers today.

No matter what anyone says, he is still white, and will always be a white rapper. Eminem is kind of like a 1991 Vanilla Ice + the canadian rap sensation "snow" to the extreme fourth power.

Ok fine, we all understand his struggle. When his girlfriend dumped him, it was huge news, wow! The guy is making an excess of 30 million dollars a year, he should be happy.

What you may not understand is that his impact is turning white kids, especially rich suburban kids, into wannabe gangsters that think they survived the hood. I just find that funny, so I call them wiggers.

You should know SFDMALEX, half the teens in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, NY, worship, idolize, and copy eminem.

[Tomerville]

Seriously way too much stereotyping. Why does one think that just because he is white and sings rap he is a "Wigger"? how can one try to be black? That is so stupid. One tries to be what they are, identity. Everyone has an Identity. Before you stereotypical big mouths start running off on what someone should be, step back and look who YOU are. Stop worring about Eminem; he is where he wants to be, and im sure a whole lot farther than where you are (not anyone specifically). There are too many idle people in the US, and thats why gossip thrives. read a fucking book, do some good to yourself.

[monabonejakon2002]

To the first question on this thread. Why does society hate him?
Well, who cares about "society?"
The publice love him, that's why he is a millionaire.

To whoever has posted comments like "he is trying to be black"
Let me fill you in on something....those are racist comments!
What you are doing, is stereotyping black people. You assert that his style of music, lyrics, and behavior is "black"
Well, there is more to black culture than that.

Peace

[Anonymous]

Coz of MTV and Viva. He became popular because of "I'm the real shady" (I think that's what it's called). From then on it went downhill. I bet anyone $100 that it was the first Eminem song ya ever heard.


no the first Eminem song on MTV was not "I'm the real SLIM shady"

It was "My name is"

wheres my 100 dollars because i was listening to Eminem when he was underground making songs with kid rock. when kid rock used to rap

i was gone for a few days sorry on the late response

[SPEEDKILLAR]

Are you guys still talking about that moron :?

Somebody likes his "music" others don't, not hard to understands is it...

[Fleischmann]

It was "My name is"

wheres my 100 dollars because i was listening to Eminem when he was underground making songs with kid rock. when kid rock used to rap

i was gone for a few days sorry on the late response


Maybe this has nothin to do wid da topic, but Kid Rock has to be the biggest pose in the world, with his gay lyrics "I'm an American badass".

[SPEEDKILLAR]

It was "My name is"

wheres my 100 dollars because i was listening to Eminem when he was underground making songs with kid rock. when kid rock used to rap

i was gone for a few days sorry on the late response


Maybe this has nothin to do wid da topic, but Kid Rock has to be the biggest pose in the world, with his gay lyrics "I'm an American badass".


Hahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Anonymous]

please send a check or money order to

dennis rosales
146501 larkwood
chino, ca 91710


It was "My name is"

wheres my 100 dollars because i was listening to Eminem when he was underground making songs with kid rock. when kid rock used to rap

i was gone for a few days sorry on the late response



you did lose the bet

[Anonymous]

Well I can’t speak for society but as for me, I simply don't like the guy cause he thinks he’s this bad ass who can kick anyone’s ass


Tell me when he said he could kick everybody’s ass.

Never happen did it. I thought not.

When he got caught with a gun it was because he attacked a bouncer who is twice his size. And he pleaded to possession of a fire arm instead of possession and assault with a deadly weapon.

Don’t talk shit on people who care guns. You live in Hartford CT what do you need one for. You have no idea how it is to have somebody looking for you, or to go out in public and have that thought in your head that there might been somebody waiting for you when you leave your house, or the store, or you just might run in to someone that you don’t like or someone that doesn’t like you. When eminem assaulted the bouncer he was already famous. He could have had his "group" beat up the bouncer. He starts a fight and they finish it. NO it didn’t go like that. He didn’t what he needed to do by himself. I not saying he was alone, but he was the only one doing anything

[Fleischmann]

please send a check or money order to

dennis rosales
146501 larkwood
chino, ca 91710


It was "My name is"

wheres my 100 dollars because i was listening to Eminem when he was underground making songs with kid rock. when kid rock used to rap

i was gone for a few days sorry on the late response



you did lose the bet

We didn't shake on it :)

[Junk2006]

I thought eminems first big song he sung in was that one I think it was called y'all forgot about Dre

[SFDMALEX]

Well I can’t speak for society but as for me, I simply don't like the guy cause he thinks he’s this bad ass who can kick anyone’s ass


Tell me when he said he could kick everybody’s ass.

Never happen did it. I thought not.

When he got caught with a gun it was because he attacked a bouncer who is twice his size. And he pleaded to possession of a fire arm instead of possession and assault with a deadly weapon.

Don’t talk shit on people who care guns. You live in Hartford CT what do you need one for. You have no idea how it is to have somebody looking for you, or to go out in public and have that thought in your head that there might been somebody waiting for you when you leave your house, or the store, or you just might run in to someone that you don’t like or someone that doesn’t like you. When eminem assaulted the bouncer he was already famous. He could have had his "group" beat up the bouncer. He starts a fight and they finish it. NO it didn’t go like that. He didn’t what he needed to do by himself. I not saying he was alone, but he was the only one doing anything

he doesn't have to say anything, actiuons speak louder then words. and the way he acts says it all. and yeah i live in Hartford, CT and who said i had a gun?? i don't need one. now you just proved my point hes a punk ass, he needed a gun to go kick someones ass uhh. if you cant defend your self with your bare hands then you need to keep you mouth shut, its just that simple.

"He starts a fight and they finish it" you say he starts the fight and they finish it? why cant he finish what he started, like i said hes a punk ass. i guarantee you put him in a room with me and no weapons he wont last 10 mins, hell give him a bat and he still wont last 10 mins.

and if he wasn't always talking trash about people he wouldn't have to worry about people trying to get at him. and the only reason he assaulted that bouncer was cause he had a gun on him, again proving my point that hes a punk ass sucker.

Is it really late there? Or you just didnt read the post? Read it again. Where did this gun thing come from? Please people read.

[Anonymous]

Don’t talk shit on people who care guns. You live in Hartford CT what do you need one for. You have no idea how it is to have somebody looking for you,


read it better dumb fuck


the way he acts says it all. and yeah i live in Hartford, CT and who said i had a gun?? i don't need one


nobody said you had a gun stupid.
read real good then post :wink:

if you lived in a nieghborhood where people carry guns then you might carry one to.

IF someone with a gun was looking for you for any reason. when they found you do you think they're going to fist fight you? Hell NO you're going to get shot. but if you had a gun then you could shoot back and maybe you wouldnt get shot. are all people in CT as stupid as you i hope not.

and the reason he assaulted the bouncer was because he's baby's moma was kissing the bouncer.

i'll go in the room with you and beat your ass in 1 min. we can meet half way.

[Anonymous]

Now im don’t with this thread, your hopeless



What does that mean? ha ha

Who carries guns in you small? Town the cops. In BIG cities people look for other people for many reasons. drugs deals gone bad, they like your car, you looked at them "wrong"(that’s stupid y people get mad at that), you fucked there girl, sister, drove by there house to fast, to loud, for all stupid reasons. If you ever been shoot at then you would know why people carry guns.

If there shooting at you and you dont have a gun then youre defenseless. what are you going to say "lets fist fight"

People like you are ignorant to Big city problems who it is to live in a "BAD" neighborhood. how it feels to see friends get shot, here the cops @ night, gun shots @ night. how it is to try to keep your life on a "GOOD" track when the nieghbor is selling drugs and has everything but a future. Its had to do the "GOOD" things (go to school, and stay out of trouble) and have nothing when they dont go to school and have everything.

The only time you have to worry about being shot is during hunting season

[Junk2006]

He is not going to answer you he said he was done

[TT]

I think this topic said all the needed.. now there is no need to discuss about ppl having to own guns and act as cops to defend themselves or others...