Fastest stock 'sedan'?

[tforth]

If the accel. figures don't get you, check out the skidpad :ohmy::

2011 Porsche Panamera Turbo - First Test - YouTube

[enzoferrari]

fuck motortrend

[pitfield]

fuck Cadillac.

[RC45]

fuck Jaguar.. oh wait, thats right, there hasn't been a meaninful British sedan since Jaguar was sold to Bangladesh Motors...

[enzoferrari]

fuck jaguar.. Oh wait, thats right, there hasn't been a meaninful british sedan since jaguar was sold to bangladesh motors...
+10 :)

[5vz-fe]

Lol!

[nthfinity]

I just watched the video, and I must have missed something??

[enzoferrari]

much better
► 2011 CLS 63 AMG - YouTube

[tforth]

much better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSYEgG8wuo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Yes, you're right in that it's 'much better' when it is not moving ;-).

On the other hand, this is and example of a fast Mercedes :ohmy::

Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG runs 10.2 @ 137 MPH vs Ford GT - YouTube

[tforth]

fuck Cadillac.

I think that they just did ;-):

Drag Race! 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Wagon vs 2011 Porsche Panamera Turbo vs 2011 BMW X6 M - YouTube

[pitfield]

fuck Jaguar.. oh wait, thats right, there hasn't been a meaninful British sedan since Jaguar was sold to Bangladesh Motors...

Yeah, other than the Xf and Xj

[RC45]

Yeah, other than the Xf and Xj

Are those 2 cars not produced by Bangladesh Motors and just happened to be badged as Jaguar?

[RC45]

I think that they just did ;-):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwjWJmQnEaU

LOL - they went up against a STATION WAGON ;)

[pitfield]

Are those 2 cars not produced by Bangladesh Motors and just happened to be badged as Jaguar?

They're made and developed by Jaguar which is owned by TATA which is an Indian company, thanks to their release from Ford they seem to be under a new lease of life rather than being constrained by debt-friendly Ford. Land Rover included. :-)

Go Raj!

[RC45]

They're made and developed by Jaguar which is owned by TATA which is an Indian company, thanks to their release from Ford they seem to be under a new lease of life rather than being constrained by debt-friendly Ford. Land Rover included. :-)

Go Raj!

So the bottomline is then that there hasn't been a meaningful BRITISH sedan since Leyland collapsed... thanks for clearing that up.

[nthfinity]

They're made and developed by Jaguar which is owned by TATA which is an Indian company, thanks to their release from Ford they seem to be under a new lease of life rather than being constrained by debt-friendly Ford. Land Rover included. :-)

Go Raj!
Didn't Ford just post their largest quarterly profit since 1998 last week? .... after dumping Jaguar. Ford had brought them to being able to be a modern competitive brand... yet still losing?

[pitfield]

So they've paid all their debts off? And Jaguar make better or worse cars without Ford's ownership. Oh and Aston Martin seems to be flourishing too.

[pitfield]

So the bottomline is then that there hasn't been a meaningful BRITISH sedan since Leyland collapsed... thanks for clearing that up.

How isn't British? Designed and built in Britain??

India is part of the Commonwealth anyway.

[RC45]

How isn't British? Designed and built in Britain??

India is part of the Commonwealth anyway.

Sony designs and assembles some interesting devices outside of Japan, does that make those devices "not Japanese"?

Britain has no auto industry - the last "great hoorah" was Leyland.

Yep, sad that the lasting legacy of the British auto industry is the Austin 1800 :lol:

Didnt the Dutch gobble up the trucks and the Swedes the bus divisions of Leyland?

Typed slowly so the socialists can understand:

T h e r e i s n o B r i t i s h c a r i n d u s t r y a n y m o r e.

[pitfield]

So does this mean that Lamborghini is not Italian?

[RC45]

So does this mean that Lamborghini is not Italian?

Lamborghini hasn't been Italian since Chrysler owned it. Probably explains why the Countach was the last truely Italian lambo as well. Hell even the 25th Anniversary Countach looked like some Detroit-refugee bodykit special.

No co-incidence it was debuted a year after Chrysler moved in :P

[pitfield]

Surely Budweiser is quintessentially American, or at least it's from the United States. Yet is owned by the Belgians.

[RC45]

Surely Budweiser is quintessentially American, or at least it's from the United States. Yet is owned by the Belgians.

I dont drink piss so I really wouldnt know or care - and I though it was a Brazillian/Belgian conglomerate actually.

[pitfield]

I dont drink piss so I really wouldnt know or care - and I though it was a Brazillian/Belgian conglomerate actually.

Funny, they seem to be doing a roaring trade.

Also, this idea of America, while in New York loads of people described themselves to me as Italian or Irish, I think they meant of Itallian or Irish decent. Does this mean they feel more Italian than American.

I suppose if you're a country of people who are essentially 2nd/3rd generation immigrants this is how it'd be.

[tforth]

Sony designs and assembles some interesting devices outside of Japan, does that make those devices "not Japanese"?

Britain has no auto industry - the last "great hoorah" was Leyland.

Yep, sad that the lasting legacy of the British auto industry is the Austin 1800 :lol:

Didnt the Dutch gobble up the trucks and the Swedes the bus divisions of Leyland?

Typed slowly so the socialists can understand:

T h e r e i s n o B r i t i s h c a r i n d u s t r y a n y m o r e.

In all fairness, what would you call McLaren then?

[pitfield]

Or Ricardo.

[RC45]

In all fairness, what would you call McLaren then?

Post 2000 McLaren? A clusterfuck.

:)

[pitfield]

Yes obviously, rubbish, a world championship and the MP4, which it sounds a bit like is going to be the best sports car in the world.

[RC45]

Yes obviously, rubbish, a world championship and the MP4, which it sounds a bit like is going to be the best sports car in the world.

Under discussion was sports sedans, not race teams.

2 totally different business models.

The MP4 is a car without a class.

The F1 at least created a class.

Back to the fact that Jaguar is a diluted has-been of a brand that has no more unique sedan style than a Hyndai Elantra is a luxury limo.

Looked at, seen and dismissed the new XF - what a bland Volvo looking heap.

The latest crop of Jaguar designers need to be introduced to the XJ and other classic and beautiful Jaguar designs. This new tripe is just that - tripe.

[pitfield]

Well the press disagree, and I think they look great.