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st-anger
02-12-2004, 05:51 PM
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS1.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS2.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS3.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS4.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS5.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS6.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS7.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/503/206SA_CS8.JPG


here´re some translations....

Nurburgring:
the 425 HP strong and 1387 kilograms heavy "Lightweight" construction Ferrari plays an improtant role in the circle of the super sports cars. From its basis, the 360 Modena, nevertheless removes it on the North Loop 13 seconds and moves thereby for instance in the time window of the Porsche 996 GT3 and Lamborghini Gallardo. Its racing course fitness is thus proven thereby.

Hockenheim:
Its tremendous handlingt, which it has to owe also to the standard sport tires, brings it very far forward on the small course. It measures also here with the best ones. Reached, like the measured values, in the delay achievement no peak values occupy the high-performance brake assembly with disks from carbon ceramic(s) composite material. Probably however in the everyday life fitness (brake comfort) and in fading behavior.

Acceleration and Braking:
The CS misses acceleration and brakes into magic time border of 20 seconds (to accelerate form 0 to 200 kph and to break from 200 kph to stand) only completely scarcely. The standard semi-automated F1-gear box fits outstanding into the sporty surrounding field and shows also, what concerns the switching comfort, very acceptable achievements. The shortest switching time amounts to 15 milliseconds in the "Race"-mode then gets a bit hard. A braking control a very few competitors still do somewhat better, although the achievements shown do not give a cause for a complaint.

Maximum transverse acceleration:
The CS runs in series on Pirelli sports ytres of the type P Zero Corsa, in front in the quite small size of 225/35 ZR 19. On the rear axle the comparatively sumptuous format 295/35 ZR 19 is used. The guess: wider tyres in front would have entailed tendentious a much harder handling in the frontier.

Aerodynamics:
The extension of the front apron underneath the air ducts and the optimization of the air circulation at the under floor brings light drift at the front axle. At the rear axle the drift is reduced by aerodynamic fine cross section, among other things by the higher outline edge, easily. Also by the modified side spoilers the airflow within the tail range was improved. The absolute values do not cover themselves with the optimisticFerrari data, probably however indicated the tendency is confirmed.

Handling:
The close 18-meters handlöing track is still completely problem-free, therewhile the fast 36-meters handling track becomes a fastidious exercise:
The correct line to meet falls uncommonly heavily because of the jagged giving in behavior. Even small guidance corrections entail strong reactions in the handling. To approach the side inclination of the body driving along curves is hardly registered in the cockpit, why it falls in the CS every now and then heavily to reach the limit without doubts - about like that as it is possible with the BMW M3 CSL, which plays trumps here so impressively.
With the simulated, fast track switching the Ferrari does actually somewhat heavily, or the drivers. Which was said for the fast handling track, applies also here: the meeting of the correct point of giving in is completely simple nich and requires a lot of training. For rehabilitation is said:
The results look only compared with the brilliant CSL in such a way on the chassis sector somewhat weak.

Verdict:

"The meta-physical forces of the Ferrari are a component of its taking nature"

The subjective effect on outstanding ones as well as on that, which drives it, give it hardly an increase on the upward open sympathy scale. The uncommonly charismatic appearance of the Competitione Stradale is the one side, its hardcore program in things of driving dynamics the other one. The fascinating drive unit finds now also in an appropriate brake its countering part. The enthusiasm for the Competitione Stradale does not however only justify itself in the visible subject.

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again, sorry for being that late....

noosee
02-12-2004, 06:02 PM
WoW
Thanks st .
I can't beleave that M3 is that fast. 6 secs faster on NS.
Faster on the slalom :)

yg60m
02-12-2004, 06:31 PM
Thank you St-anger, I begun a translation of my own french article :wink: I will post it (much) later :?

moguai
02-12-2004, 06:38 PM
just for info: the bmw csl has been driven on slicks - the stradale with pzero corsa's.....

thats probably the reason why it's 6 s quicker on the NS.

st-anger
02-12-2004, 06:46 PM
just for info: the bmw csl has been driven on slicks -


...Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, so nearly slicks :wink:

moguai
02-12-2004, 06:49 PM
not in this test. normally yes - but the car has been prepared for sportauto ...

st-anger
02-12-2004, 06:50 PM
not in this test. normally yes - but the car has been prepared for sportauto ...

what´s your source on that....

moguai
02-12-2004, 06:51 PM
i'll try to find the article i read.

st-anger
02-12-2004, 06:54 PM
i don´t think that this true, to be honest, i´m 99.9% sure that it has been equipped with the Pilot Sport Cup´s...

moguai
02-12-2004, 07:00 PM
it's in german - but check this: http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m3cslst2003-1.htm

it's not the article i read, but it says that the time has only been reached because of "street-admitted" (? i'm not sure if this is the meaning of strassenzugelassen) racing tyres, whose are not driveable in wet conditions...

i'm still search for THE article with pics etc..

st-anger
02-12-2004, 07:13 PM
it's in german - but check this: http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m3cslst2003-1.htm

it's not the article i read, but it says that the time has only been reached because of "street-admitted" (? i'm not sure if this is the meaning of strassenzugelassen) racing tyres, whose are not driveable in wet conditions...

i'm still search for THE article with pics etc..

well, i´m from Austria, so i can read german quite well :wink:
first, i know this site and it´s not really that informative, they´ve no experts, and just post some statements...
second, they´re talking about the Pilot Sport Cup´s,

Bemerkungen:
Bereifung: 235/35-19 - 265/35-19 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup).

Konsequenter Leichtbau (abgespeckte Innenaustattung, keine Rückbank, Leichtbautüren, -kotflügel und -hauben, Kohlefaserdach), ein optimierter M3-Motor und ein renntaugliches Fahrwerk machen aus dem Sportcoupé eine Waffe. 7.50 min. auf der Nordschleife schafft kein straßentaugliches Motorrad und 157 km/h im ISO Ausweichtest sind sport auto Rekord. Diese Wunderwerte schaffte der Testwagen allerdings nur unter Zuhilfenahme von straßenzugelassenen Rennreifen mit sehr weicher Gummimischung, die schon bei Nässe nicht mehr richtig fahrbar sind. Die Aufhebung der VMax-Begrenzung von 250 km/h nimmt die BMW Motorsport GmbH auf Wunsch vor.
Link: bmw.de


...as i said, they´re nearly slicks, but they handle very good even in wet conditions, so again, they are wrong....

again, i´m definitely sure that SA tested the CSL with the Michelins, and some guys just mixed that up, because they look like ( and slightley act like ) slicks, but with real racing slicks it´d have been WAY faster....

dropot2
02-12-2004, 07:17 PM
Thank you a lot st-anger! Mainly for the translation :wink:
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sentra_dude
02-12-2004, 08:13 PM
Thanx st-anger...I would have been lost w/o your translation...

Surprising about the CSL being faster & wining...but maybe not considering those tires on the CSL.

dutchmasterflex
02-12-2004, 08:55 PM
I didn't even think of comparing the M3 CSL with the 360 CS... it's a damn nice comparison though... wouldn't mind having either one of them...

levensnevel
02-12-2004, 09:09 PM
Thanks st-anger,

a very interesting test :!:
Always very entertaining to read the reactions, explanations, excuses afterwards.
Basically I don't care at all which car is quicker on which tyres and what track. Can't afford either of these two cracking cars ers but if I could I would go for the Prancing Horse any time, any were , any track, any tyre :fadein:

noosee
02-12-2004, 09:21 PM
For shure thats not only tires.
Stradale have 150 Kg weight advantage and 60 more HP. It just can't be that all this difference is only because of tires.

st-anger
02-12-2004, 09:26 PM
Stradale have 150 Kg weight advantage...

...are you dead sure about this...??? :?

i´m definitely NOT...

SFDMALEX
02-12-2004, 09:28 PM
The funny thing is that the CSL ran faster at the Ring then the GT3 also. Now St-Anger do you bealive that the CSL is faster then the GT3?

st-anger
02-12-2004, 09:34 PM
ok, 4 sec isn´t that much, so IMO they are quite equally fast round the NS, but plz don´t underestimate the CSL, even when it´s compared with true sports cars like the CS or GT3, we know that the CSL had been tested on race-tracks A LOT, way more than the std. M3, and in combination with the Pilot Sport Cup´s it´s freaking fast, IMO even the GT3 RS´ll only be some seconds faster than the CSL...

SFDMALEX
02-12-2004, 09:49 PM
I'm in no way underestimate the CSL. Its a great car. Lovely sounds, lovely looks and it goes fast. But I just find those ring numbers irelavent since I do beleave that both CS and GT3(RS) are faster then the CSL.

You made a valid point about it beaing very fast on Pilot Sport Cup, but Im sure you know what both the GT3 and the CS can do on those tires.

st-anger
02-12-2004, 10:10 PM
You made a valid point about it beaing very fast on Pilot Sport Cup, but Im sure you know what both the GT3 and the CS can do on those tires.

that´s definitely the point, i think we´d all love to see such a comparison, all three cars equipped with the same tyres...

another thing about the tyres, we´ve heared from a very reliable source with very good ties to Ferrari that the CS would be quite faster with other front tyres...
i mean everybody´s been a bit worried, wtf 225 at the front and not the std 235, some might say "just 10mm more..." but it´d be definitely faster with the 235 tyres, BUT our source told us that they decided to stick to the 225 due to some serious handling problems for "non pros" when driving at the limit, the 235 had been just too tricky to handle....

robruf
02-12-2004, 10:23 PM
the only time the CS was faster than the CSL on both tracks was on the long straights, so this would mean to me that on a highway race, the Cs would win, but in the corners it would be left behind. Why was this CS so slow to 100km/h, as 4.8 is alot different than the 4.0 that is quoted by Ferrari? Thanks alot for this scan, it is too bad that I cannot understand German, but the translation was much appreciated.

ice
02-13-2004, 02:45 AM
If it did do 0-60 in 4.8. then somethign mustave been wrong witht he car, as every other source ive read has gotten as low as 4.0.

yugo
02-13-2004, 09:50 AM
The BMW CLS win to Ferrari 360 Stralade? I don´t beleive.

nejcdolinsek
02-14-2004, 06:35 PM
Thanx for the article st-anger.

But for some reason, I think this entire article is BS... Never trust Germans with Italian cars... and vice versa.

RS6.com
02-22-2004, 10:08 PM
Hmmm...

The P Zero Corsa is not made in 19"...
http://www.pirellicompetizioni.com/en_41/products/catalogue_circuit.jhtml

And the Corsa System (which ii is supposed to be supplied in)
exists in two 19" dimensions: 225/35 & 285/35...

But sport auto says it ran on 295/35...

VERY STRANGE!

HoboPie
02-23-2004, 05:27 AM
It occurs to me the 360CS isn't much of a dissappointment, the CSL is just a surprise. The 360 CS is on par with the standard 911 GT3 which I think is a fine achievement.

I mean it scored almost identically throughout the auto test and even finished with the same final score. With some crazier tires it might be a contender for anything in that category, but I think where it is right now is pretty impressive.

I mean Evo is flopping around with it and the GT3 being the best current drivers car of that class. The RS does have both beat yes, but it is in a slightly different class I think.