"You're fired"..the South African way

[BADMIHAI]

South African farm worker in dispute with employer believed thrown to lions
CAPE TOWN, South Africa (AP) - Four men were charged with murder and the Labour Ministry began an investigation Wednesday into allegations a farm worker was beaten and then killed by being thrown into a lion enclosure.

Nelson Shisane was allegedly assaulted and then tossed over a fence, into a park where lions are bred after a dispute with his employer at a nearby farm, said ministry spokesman Snuki Zikalala.

Police found bones, torn clothes and a skull in the lion enclosure.

Shisane's employer, Mark Scott Crossley, and three co-workers, Simon Mathebula, Richard Mathebula and Robert Mnisi, have been arrested and charged with murder. They were denied bail and are scheduled to appear in court Feb. 19.

Zikalala said investigators believe Shisane was fired last year.

Shisane's family reported him missing Sunday.



© The Canadian Press, 2003

[racer_f50]

damn, good thing i don't live there :shock:

actually, better thing that my friend doesn't live there, he's been fired a couple times from jobs :lol:

[Zonda11]

That's a tough way to go-

[monabonejakon2002]

I used to live there.

Sounds about right :lol:

[scubywrxr]

Hey u bastards.. there`s only a few crazies around here that make life tough for the rest of us in SA. The majority of us here are allright...

And by the way thats not as bad as being tossed into a bathtub of acid - as happened to a poor fucker in Italy last week. police are querying mafia involvement.... :shock:

[yg60m]

I saw a report on South Africa, it seems pretty unsecure for the less !!!
Some expensive cars buyers used to let a snake in their car to avoid car jacking.
:shock:

[RC45]

Ah -- home sweet home... :)

[nchs09]

hey my parents my be moving there in 3 months, UR SCARYING ME!!!!

[scubywrxr]

I saw a report on South Africa, it seems pretty unsecure for the less !!!
Some expensive cars buyers used to let a snake in their car to avoid car jacking.
:shock:

Yes its true . we used to keep a pitbull in the car before, but it gets kinda hectic cleaning the shit and piss of the upholstery after a while... :lol:

Alternatively most of us who can, carry a 9mm with plus p hollow points or a 45 ACP if possible(its kinda heavy u know - makes a nice big boom though :wink: )

Hey at least our weather is nice and the babes are hot :P

[scubywrxr]

hey my parents my be moving there in 3 months, UR SCARYING ME!!!!

Its much safer than u would expect. ur chances of being a crime victim are more or less the same as anywhere in the world - u just have to be smart about ur safety.

People who have lived in the states and moved back say its more dangerous in New York and Chicago than in Cape town or Durban... thats their opinion remember.

I have never been a victim of serious crime yet.. touch Sig 220.. :wink:

[FoxFour]

Why such heavy crime there? Organized crime? Or some other situation that the rest of the world may be unaware of?

[scubywrxr]

unemployment and hunger are tha main reasons for petty crime... Serious crimes are committed by local fall guys for foreign crime organisations (these include british,greek,italian, chinese, russian,north and south american, nigerian and other african crime lords)

White collar crime is growing rapidly, the biggest sector in dollar and rand terms and its the type least reported on - committed by the previous privileged and the new elite...

[draak666]

This may sound pretty controversial, but I believe Afrika has skipped some steps in the process of civilisation... :?

[RC45]

This may sound pretty controversial, but I believe Afrika has skipped some steps in the process of civilisation... :?

This coming from a resident of Belgium - the epicentre for liberal nonsense... ;)

[BADMIHAI]

This may sound pretty controversial, but I believe Afrika has skipped some steps in the process of civilisation... :?

Well....trying not to sound racist....I must agree with you on that one. The problem in S.A. (from what I know) is the percentage of people living under the poverty line (which are mostly black). These are the people that are now free, but can't get a proper job (because racism still exists in S.A., and because most of them have little to no formal education), so they have to do what they can to survive. It's a sad situation. I'm glad I don't live there.


BTW: The title of the topic was not put there to stereotype South Africans. It could have happened in any other country on the planet, in a similar way...and more grewsome stuff has happened in other countries (recall the guy that "slipped into the barrel of sulfuric acid).

[draak666]

I didn't mean that in a racist way either. Of course western countries are also to blame because they have been imposing their culture on Africa for years.

RC45, just out of curiosity: What's the image of Belgium you have? Don't hold back. I'm just curious, that's all.

[scubywrxr]

^ITs nice to see u and rc45 have a rather in depth understanding of each other brembo :mrgreen:

[draak666]

LOL, as long as we understand each other... :mrgreen:

[RC45]

These are the people that are now free, but can't get a proper job (because racism still exists in S.A., .

If by this statement you mean "reverse discrimination" - i.e. whites don't qualify for anything anymore, then you are correct.

You are poorly informed if you think otherwise.

The worst demographic to be (as in having the most oportunities denied you, or having the most legislation not in your favour) is a white male - while the best demographic (in terms of having work and other opportunities made available) is to be female and black.

[BADMIHAI]

These are the people that are now free, but can't get a proper job (because racism still exists in S.A., .

If by this statement you mean "reverse discrimination" - i.e. whites don't qualify for anything anymore, then you are correct.

You are poorly informed if you think otherwise.

The worst demographic to be (as in having the most oportunities denied you, or having the most legislation not in your favour) is a white male - while the best demographic (in terms of having work and other opportunities made available) is to be female and black.



I never knew that. Thanks for the info. It seems S.A. has changed alot in the last 20 years.

[RC45]

I never knew that. Thanks for the info. It seems S.A. has changed alot in the last 20 years.

More than you know - I have learned in the last 9 years, that the good 'ol USA is far more racist than South Africa is - and this is the worst kind - the unlegislated, social racism.

As an example, last I remember, your race (within the South African context) was a non-issue... in otherwords, on an application form, there would probably not even be a reference to your race or ethnic origin - and if there were - answering would be optional.

hen I got married in the good 'ol US of A - I was oliged to, on the marriage license, fill out my race - as did my wife have to... I specifically asked if I could opt out of answering the question (as I feel it is unneeded racist gathering demographic info) and was told it was a LEGAL REQUIREMENT - Interesing... a legal requirement to classify oneself on an official document?

That, my friends, by definition is racism. (apartheid).

But that is not the part that offended me the most - the part where I, as a white person only had to check off White on the list was pretty offensive... BUT

Where my wife, not only had to select Hispanic - she also had to indicate her percentage of Hispanicness, if applicable?

WTF is up with that.... she has 2 children from a previous marriage - and there dad was a pure white - there for she had to indicate on the form the percentage Hispanicness/whiteness of her kids...

It gets better - because their father was white, and their mother was Hispanic, they are considered 3/4 White and 1/4 Hispanic - had there father been Hispanic and mother White - the percenatges would have been reversed...

And it gets YET better - you then reduce your Whiteness or Hispanicness in the 1/8ths - so if you intermarry the right - or wrong way, depending on your views - you, according to the US Governement, change your race...


My quesiton is and always was very simple... at what point do you simply become simply an AMERICAN.... and the answer - when you are 100% White.

[monabonejakon2002]

There is no such thing as reverse discrimination.

All the wealth (in SA or the USA) is held by white males. When there is a power or wealth shift, then talk about discrimination.


and south africa is a dump (to be more specific, JHB). I hated living there. Most of the people were cool though.
Racism is very prevelant. I will agree with one of the other posts which claimed that the USA is the more racist. Might not show it, but sure feel it.

[BADMIHAI]

My quesiton is and always was very simple... at what point do you simply become simply an AMERICAN.... and the answer - when you are 100% White.


Move to Canada. Here you are first South African (or Spanish or Italian or Polish or whatever the fuck you want to be) and then Canadian. And nobody gives a fuck about it! It's the most tolerant place I've ever been in.

[RC45]

There is no such thing as reverse discrimination.


Pretty ignorant statement.

There very much is reverse discrimination.

If there wasnt then my sister would have had no need to spend 2 years working as an english teacher in Taiwan - because although a very degreed and qualified teacher - the job offers in and around Cape Town were not for her demographic.

[monabonejakon2002]

Don't forget it was the opposite way for a very long time. One can't simply level the playing field when it was slanted for so long.

[RC45]

Don't forget it was the opposite way for a very long time. One can't simply level the playing field when it was slanted for so long.

This debate is for another day - during which time a lot would need to be discussed.... the next thing you will say is for cash to be paid to peoples for land stolen 500 years previously.... :roll:

[monabonejakon2002]

No. But money should be poured into creating better facilities (like schools) in certain areas.

[RC45]

No. But money should be poured into creating better facilities (like schools) in certain areas.

You need to let the various local, provincial and nationwide government officials know that - the same ones awarding themselves fat contracts and pay raises for managing the redistribution of what little is left.

Yes my friend - corruption is rife in the "new improved" government as well - so let's not get too carried away with waving the finger at the common folks.

[Chaos in 1983!]

More than you know - I have learned in the last 9 years, that the good 'ol USA is far more racist than South Africa is - and this is the worst kind - the unlegislated, social racism.

As an example, last I remember, your race (within the South African context) was a non-issue... in otherwords, on an application form, there would probably not even be a reference to your race or ethnic origin - and if there were - answering would be optional.

hen I got married in the good 'ol US of A - I was oliged to, on the marriage license, fill out my race - as did my wife have to... I specifically asked if I could opt out of answering the question (as I feel it is unneeded racist gathering demographic info) and was told it was a LEGAL REQUIREMENT - Interesing... a legal requirement to classify oneself on an official document?

That, my friends, by definition is racism. (apartheid).

But that is not the part that offended me the most - the part where I, as a white person only had to check off White on the list was pretty offensive... BUT

Where my wife, not only had to select Hispanic - she also had to indicate her percentage of Hispanicness, if applicable?

WTF is up with that.... she has 2 children from a previous marriage - and there dad was a pure white - there for she had to indicate on the form the percentage Hispanicness/whiteness of her kids...

It gets better - because their father was white, and their mother was Hispanic, they are considered 3/4 White and 1/4 Hispanic - had there father been Hispanic and mother White - the percenatges would have been reversed...

And it gets YET better - you then reduce your Whiteness or Hispanicness in the 1/8ths - so if you intermarry the right - or wrong way, depending on your views - you, according to the US Governement, change your race...


My quesiton is and always was very simple... at what point do you simply become simply an AMERICAN.... and the answer - when you are 100% White.


wow...this was pretty interesting...I agree with RC all the way..why should race be a factor when getting a job ap?

[scubywrxr]

^ITs amazing the way they specify the fractions of ethnicity and it reverses depending on wether the white folk is ur mum or dad :shock: I thought that we had it bad in SA.. the best one being used at the mo is affirmative action, were previously disadvantaged who lack the proper training or technical skills are given positions that they can be very dangerous in! I agree with increasing the opportunities, but the education must start from the begininning at 5-6 years of age and then excel through the ranks. Not to be spoon fed authority and wealth... its the same old story again.. only problem is its the other end of the coin :roll:

Its shocking how every conflict or problem that arises, the race card is thrown down, as if its trump and will explain all the problems - its jsut too sad and unfortunately, with man and his inherent clannish mentality and self preservation this will take for ever to sort out. I am just lucky that I work in an environment were people are highly tolerant of each other... for now...