How good is the Veyron?

[5vz-fe]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109081221021/jenson-buttons-bugatti-veyron-for-sale

It is this good


Jenson Button's Bugatti Veyron is up for sale at a Suffolk, UK dealership.
The Formula One driver, who is currently leading the driver's championship, is the second owner of this 2008 monotone black Bugatti Veyron. Priced at £899,995 ($1,482,620 USD / €1,045,993), the supercar has 1,500 miles on the odometer.
While Button is selling his 1,001bhp Veyron, he still has an impressive collection of high performance vehicles including a Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, a Ferrari Enzo, an Audi RS6 Avant, a BMW M5 and a Mercedes C63 AMG. In the past, he has owned a Ferrari F430 Spider, a Ferrari 360, a Ferrari 550 Maranello, a Ford GT and a Porsche Carrera GT.
Button will return to his normal Brawn GP racing duties at the European Grand Prix on August 23, so stay tuned to our enhanced F1 section (http://www.worldcarfans.com/category/f1) for full race results.

[nthfinity]

Veyrons are generally priced around 1.4-1.5mm lately. It may just be "passively" for sale like Kaufman's cars have been listed for the last 2-3 years. He's not really interested in selling. Then again, maybe not. Where would one drive a 1000 hp car in the UK?

[5vz-fe]

^Yeah....there's really no place.....but that said, it pretty much apply to most of his cars.

The Veyron is probably to electronic for him much like the GT-R. Interestingly, he's still keeping a 360 around.

[turpija]

1500miles and he is a second owner?

[pitfield]

A Veywon makes 987bhp on paper, not 1,001. I'm sure this varies with air temperature though.

[turpija]

A Veywon makes 987bhp on paper, not 1,001. I'm sure this varies with air temperature though.

actually it makes over 1001hp(about 1050) but 1001 was used as a marketing tool, but many people started saying it has 987hp so I'm guessing their marketing department kinda screw that up.

[pitfield]

actually it makes over 1001hp(about 1050) but 1001 was used as a marketing tool, but many people started saying it has 987hp so I'm guessing their marketing department kinda screw that up.

I think you'll find that the 1,001 refers not to bhp but to PS, metric horsepower basically which equals 987bhp.

Bearing in mind that all the engines are built by hand and the effects of ambient temperature on engines (especially those with forced induction) the quoted power outputs are often subject to change.

None the less, you are wrong.

[turpija]

I'm not wrong

When I ask Bugatti development boss Wolfgang Schreiber to explain how the same engine can be rated at 1001 SAE net horsepower at 6000 rpm for the U.S. but only 987 horsepower (1001 PS) for Europe, he laughs, saying, "The production engines are all putting out between 1020 and 1040 PS, enough to cover both promises."

[pitfield]

I'm not wrong

Right, but it is rated at 987bhp, end of.

As I said I thought there would be a chance of them making more than quoted

[turpija]

so you are aware that every engine in Veyron has over 1000 hp but yet you are stating it "has" 987?

as I said it was a marketing trick that kinda backfired at them, it's their fault, when I'm talking about Veyron I never say it has 1001 hp I say it has 1000hp

[Barkingeddie]

It's the difference between DIN PS (Pferdestärke or horsepower) and imperial bhp (brake horsepower). You will find that in British roadtests and German roadtests there generally is a small discrepancy which can be attributed to this. For instance: BMW M5; 507PS and 500bhp, M3; 420PS and 414bhp. Thus 1001PS and 987bhp.

Etc, etc, etc.

What Wolfgang Schreiber said has no bearing on the matter and anyway, the Veyron IS rated at 1001PS in Continental Europe since they do not use the bhp and never have done.

[nthfinity]

Each car is guaranteed to have no less than 1001 PS. No car has been delivered with less than 1050, many are up to 1080-90 even.

[RC45]

Interestingly Bugatti's websit quote their power output as 1001hp or 736kW rather than 1001PS.

736kW is 987bhp - 746kW would be 1001bhp.

Seems they just prefer the moniker "hp" vs PS ;)

[pitfield]

so you are aware that every engine in Veyron has over 1000 hp but yet you are stating it "has" 987?

as I said it was a marketing trick that kinda backfired at them, it's their fault, when I'm talking about Veyron I never say it has 1001 hp I say it has 1000hp

Just because an engine may under certain conditions make more or less power than quoted does not mean that the quoted power output for the Veyron, as far as magazines in the UK are concerned, is 987bhp.

Also, marketing trick, it's not the M-Sport package for the 318d they're trying to sell, the people who have 1 squillion euros to spend on a car probably aren't that stupid

[turpija]

you don't get it, and I'm done trying to explain what I'm trying to say

have a nice day:-)

[Barkingeddie]

Interestingly Bugatti's websit quote their power output as 1001hp or 736kW rather than 1001PS.

736kW is 987bhp - 746kW would be 1001bhp.

Seems they just prefer the moniker "hp" vs PS ;)

hp ≠ bhp.

[RC45]

hp ≠ bhp.

Uhm - I am well aware of that - seriously - I am - which is why if you read my post again, you will see I indicate as such by way of mathematiocal calculation.

Even offering up examples of each power rating in kW, PS, hp and bhp.

[nthfinity]

Can we have Gross hp again?

[Barkingeddie]

Uhm - I am well aware of that - seriously - I am - which is why if you read my post again, you will see I indicate as such by way of mathematiocal calculation.

Even offering up examples of each power rating in kW, PS, hp and bhp.

And what I mean is that although bhp ≠ hp, hp = PS. In a direct translation, that is.

So "Seems they just prefer the moniker "hp" vs PS" would depend on the language in which the power rating is given. The Germans will always use PS, or the SI unit kW, other languages may vary but generally the term hp is merely generic and not a specifically defined unit or is used a tax rating as in French and early British designations like the Citroën 2CV or the Rolls Royce 20HP.

[RC45]

And what I mean is that although bhp ≠ hp, hp = PS. In a direct translation, that is.

So "Seems they just prefer the moniker "hp" vs PS" would depend on the language in which the power rating is given. The Germans will always use PS, or the SI unit kW, other languages may vary but generally the term hp is merely generic and not a specifically defined unit or is used a tax rating as in French and early British designations like the Citroën 2CV or the Rolls Royce 20HP.

****whooooosh****

The sound of my point whizzing by unseen.

MY point was that the BUGATTI website chose to advertise the rating as 1001hp/736kW, not as 1001PS/736kW.

In other words... the marketing and promotional cache of "1001hp" is far more powerful than 1001PS - no matter what language you use.

Anyway, this is getting almost as silly as all the "GT-R is the messiah" threads ;)

[Barkingeddie]

Anyway, this is getting almost as silly as all the "GT-R is the messiah" threads ;)

I believe in the G-TR!

Then again, I also believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Barkingeddie]

Can we have Gross hp again?

A large bottle?

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2006/05/10/hp-sauce060510.jpg

[10000rpmlover]

suddenly, horsepower in a bottle ends the discussion, who cares what the rated figure is on a car that only filthy rich bastages will get to play with



http://www.zex.com/Base/Images/Vehicles/05GT/750-500_NitrousBottle_001.jpg

[dfarah]

Veyrons are generally priced around 1.4-1.5mm lately. It may just be "passively" for sale like Kaufman's cars have been listed for the last 2-3 years. He's not really interested in selling. Then again, maybe not. Where would one drive a 1000 hp car in the UK?

Just see the veyron & the jet duel.