View Full Version : 3rd Annual Goodguys - Meguiar's OC Get-together
HeilSvenska
03-19-2009, 01:51 AM
March 14, 2009
Pics will come eventually.
Featuring 79TA's 79 TA.
2009 Goodguys OC Get-together - Pontiac Firebird Trans Am - YouTube
One Lap Camaro (http://www.onelapcamaro.com/)
2009 Goodguys OC Get-together - One Lap Camaro - YouTube
Very stock Z06
2009 Goodguys OC Get-together - Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - YouTube
2009 Goodguys OC Get-together - Chevrolet Camaro SS - YouTube
Very fast Mary Pozzi in her Camaro
2009 Goodguys OC Get-together - Mary Pozzi's Chevrolet Camaro - YouTube
some pics from the event
http://www.photoshop.com/user/socala...ackingid=BTAGC (http://www.photoshop.com/user/socalautocoverage/?galleryid=98296b3344df4b46ac252d8192ee156f&wf=share&trackingid=BTAGC)
Looks like it was a hell of a lot of fun.
Hopefully this will send the folks that dont think old F-Bodies can stop and turn a-packing :)
For reference, John Marconi ran his Duratec powered Caterham. In addition to weighing nothing, the car had 20 treadwear tires, no typo. It ran a 28.6, but probably could have shaved some time had he been smoother. The next quickest car there was a bone stock C5 Z06 with a 28.9 second run, barely edging out the DSE second gen and the Mary Pozzi Camaro. The DSE cars wore BF Goodrich KDW 2's which are 300 treadwear tires. The DSE second gen was likely the quickest car there and would have greatly benefitted from slightly more aggressive tires.
Mary Pozzi's Camaro was notable in that it was only lightly modified in the suspension department. She ran stiffer coil springs along with Hotchkis leaf springs just like my car. She had some better bracing (subframe connectors and "g bars") than my TA does along with upper A-arms that allowed her to dial in some more caster. Of course, her hotchkis sway bars, were thicker than my stock WS4's. Our cars were even had near identical weights. The biggest difference, other than her champion autocross driving skills, was that she was running 180 treadwear Kumho Ecsta tires.
My Trans Am was limited by its tires, but I was still impressed by how well they held on. I just wish I had video of my better runs from the second day. Ugh, now I really want a second set of wheels for more aggressive tires.
^^ I want to get a old F-Body now ;)
Looks like a ton of fun...
Minacious
03-19-2009, 11:40 AM
Hell yeah! That looked like good fun. Nice to see one of our own out there.
pagani
03-19-2009, 12:31 PM
Looks like it was a hell of a lot of fun.
Hopefully this will send the folks that dont think old F-Bodies can stop and turn a-packing :)
You kown what some of those older f body's in the video have better handling than most modern sportscars/supercars.
You kown what some of those older f body's in the video have better handling than most modern sportscars/supercars.
Sure - as long as they are bone stock. Just look at what a stock C5 Z did to that little cone course.
Put some slicks, $20 Bilsteins, T1 sways and kick the camber out on that C5 Z and retake the test hehe.
pagani
03-19-2009, 01:02 PM
Sure - as long as they are bone stock. Just look at what a stock C5 Z did to that little cone course.
Put some slicks, $20 Bilsteins, T1 sways and kick the camber out on that C5 Z and retake the test hehe.
I could the same to a f body
:-)
I could the same to a f body
:-)
No - you miss the point entirely.
A stock modern supercar is faster than a very expensive modded older car. Thats just the way it is.
It takes many thousand dollars to take a mid 70's car and make it out handle a bone stock modern supercar.
At that point the supercar could then spend a bit more money and crush the modded old car - and still retain full amenities.
nthfinity
03-19-2009, 01:38 PM
Well done 79TA !!! Looks like you had a blast :)
pagani
03-19-2009, 01:48 PM
No - you miss the point entirely.
A stock modern supercar is faster than a very expensive modded older car. Thats just the way it is.
It takes many thousand dollars to take a mid 70's car and make it out handle a bone stock modern supercar.
At that point the supercar could then spend a bit more money and crush the modded old car - and still retain full amenities.
Maby it would be cool to beat modern whit a old hot rodded /pro touring muscle car.
Wait it's has been done all ready and it's called the big red camaro.
Maby it would be cool to beat modern whit a old hot rodded /pro touring muscle car.
Wait it's has been done all ready and it's called the big red camaro.
Without polluting this cool thread, you are just being absurd now.
Nobody every said "it wasnt cool" - but there is "cool" and "practical" - a $25,000 used car matching a $250,000 custom built car is a silly justification - and that was the intent of the original comment, to just show that 21st century stock is as good as super modified 70's 20th century. That is all. No need to keep flogging the same dead horse.
pagani
03-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Without polluting this cool thread, you are just being absurd now.
Nobody every said "it wasnt cool" - but there is "cool" and "practical" - a $25,000 used car matching a $250,000 custom built car is a silly justification - and that was the intent of the original comment, to just show that 21st century stock is as good as super modified 70's 20th century. That is all. No need to keep flogging the same dead horse.
That is just my crazy idea.
:-):thumbup:
No - you miss the point entirely.
A stock modern supercar is faster than a very expensive modded older car. Thats just the way it is.
It takes many thousand dollars to take a mid 70's car and make it out handle a bone stock modern supercar.
At that point the supercar could then spend a bit more money and crush the modded old car - and still retain full amenities.
The stock C5 Z06 really impressed me. On a larger autocross (think 1.8 mile solo 2 course) or road course, cars like Bad Penny and the other good pro-tourers leave stock C5's in the dust, but this is a good illustration of how much better designed newer cars are. I'm not going to argue bang for the buck in either direction because there are just too many variables and unique scenarios. It does cost thousands to get an old car's suspension to modern performance levels and then more to try to surpass them. Tires are also a huge factor, just as they always are. I think had the DSE second gen run the 180 treadwear kumhos, it would have been the quickest car of the day.
There was also a new ZR-1 there, driven by its owner (the man who owns Mothers) and it got down into the 30's. He wasn't as smooth as some and all the power made it too easy for him to get into the corners too hot.
And the counterpoint to the trick DSE car's was Mary Pozzi's Camaro running stock style bolt-on suspension that was only barely edged out by the C5 Z06.
As far as ultimate performance mods go, when you get crazy race car hardcore, the car is just a shell on a tubeframe chassis and what year you call it really only affects aerodynamics.
found a video of my car by some random youtube poster who unfortunately mistook the mini-autocross for drifting:
YouTube
I think this run was a 33.7. It was one of the last runs, at which point I found it was more fun to kick the tail out through the finish line.
Nice... I like thi YouTubers answer...
jackkrap (http://www.youtube.com/user/jackkrap) (22 minutes ago)
Yeah. This is autocrossing, not drifting. Although some cars, did indeed drift.
I guess some people are of the opinion if your rear tyres pass a certain point then your entire run becomes "a drift" ;) hehe
HeilSvenska
04-11-2009, 03:57 PM
Nice... I like thi YouTubers answer...
I guess some people are of the opinion if your rear tyres pass a certain point then your entire run becomes "a drift" ;) hehe
There was this one truck. It just couldn't turn because it understeered horribly. The only way it could go around the autocross effectively was to powerslide every turn. :laugh:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4024/1005065.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1005065.jpg)
Here's my car's small bit of fame that came as a result of this event:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4773/firebertphr.jpg
and here's the pic in better quality:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/658/fx8b9g.th.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/i/fx8b9g.jpg/)
Minacious
06-16-2009, 09:13 AM
Good job, Brett.
HeilSvenska
06-16-2009, 01:37 PM
So, this is Liz Miles, the Tech Editor of Popular Hot Rodding mag. Yeah, she's really young.
Anyways, 79TA and I are somewhere in this shot. Hehe.
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3786/222/101/19905668/n19905668_32914904_1014916.jpg
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