Doubts about torque

[marciodcmendes]

I was watching a top gear vid about the new mazda rx8. It has 230 bhp but low torque. What does that mean?

[godspeed06]

basically it means for the car to pull hard it has to be in a high rpm range.

[godspeed06]

basically it means for the car to pull hard it has to be in a high rpm range.

edit- sorry delete this, my computer had some serious lag.

[marciodcmendes]

but what is most important? Lots of bhp or torque?

[jon_s]

when they say 'low torque' did they mean it had a small amount of torque? Or it kicked in low down??

As it is an RX8, I think it is the latter. Torque, very generally is a good indication of in gear acceleration. Whicle raw BHP is a good indication of top speed. If you have a small amount of torque, when you put your foot down, it takes ages to pick up speed, but if you have a lot of torque you pick up speed quickly.

There is a certain rev-range in earch car, where torque is at an optimum. So when they say 'low torque', they may mean the torque is strong at low revs, which means you can be lazy with your gears.

If, lets say, your torque kicks in at 5,000 rpm, then while you are accelerating, you will feel the car accelerate quicker when you hit 5k, but if it kicks in at 1500rpm, then the car will in general accelerate quickly.

[marciodcmendes]

but what is most important? Lots of bhp or torque?

[jon_s]

A balance. BHP is nothing without torque, and torque is nothing without BHP.

A lot of torque is what causes the wheels to spin while accelerating...so if you have too much it may be a bad thing. As I said before, the more BHP you have, in general the higher top speed.

[marciodcmendes]

I get it. thanks a lot. :wink:

[jon_s]

No problem, there are people on here who know a LOT more than I do on the subject, but I think I am right in what I say lol

[Maverick7K]

If a car doesn't have torque, it wouldn't go anywhere. Smaller cars with a descent amount of horsepower can get away with having a lower amount of torque (i.e. honda s2000 240bhp and 161lb*ft of torque). This car also weighs only 2850lbs.

The Mazda RX-8 has 238bhp and 164lb*ft of torque (which weighs 2950lbs).

Muscle cars have traditionally about the same or a higher amount of torque than horsepower. It all depends on what kind of feel you want when you step on the pedal.

[marciodcmendes]

So dragsters have lots of both, right?

[zevolv]

dragsters have bitchloads of both yes. Torque is all about turning those wheels (torque=force*distance) so if your car has the power to turn the engine it can create alot of torque and that's why most larger engines have a longer stroke and that's the advantage of a long block over a short block.

[marciodcmendes]

Thnks. And I love your "little" collection. I have one myself, but all the cars have 20, 25 centimeters. lol

[zevolv]

I have quite an extensive model collection too if that's what your getting at. I have 3500 Hot Wheels/Matchbox cars and about 30 other size models both made and bought complete.

[Maverick7K]

dragsters have bitchloads of both yes. Torque is all about turning those wheels (torque=force*distance) so if your car has the power to turn the engine it can create alot of torque and that's why most larger engines have a longer stroke and that's the advantage of a long block over a short block.

Very true...except isn't Work=Force*Distance and Torque=Force*Lever Arm(in m or ft)?

[marciodcmendes]

I love miniature cars. But they are a bit expensive. I have about 50 bburagos, but it cost me lots of money. Just a question about the evo. Did you also try the Subaru? Just to know, because here in Portugal nobody has an Evo. Not even the cops! They have Imprezas. No idea why, cuz I love the Evo from day one!

[zevolv]

yes torque is force*distance(that's what the Lever Arm is) that's why ALL Torque Wrenches are exactly 1 foot long hence Torque is in Lbs per feet, foot pounds of torque get it?

[zevolv]

I love miniature cars. But they are a bit expensive. I have about 50 bburagos, but it cost me lots of money. Just a question about the evo. Did you also try the Subaru? Just to know, because here in Portugal nobody has an Evo. Not even the cops! They have Imprezas. No idea why, cuz I love the Evo from day one!

Yes I test drove the STi and the EVO and I prefered the EVO way more especially because it isn't as flashy and I have driven normal WRX's and actually liked some of the custom ones I've driven more than the STi.

[deth]

dragsters have bitchloads of both yes. Torque is all about turning those wheels (torque=force*distance) so if your car has the power to turn the engine it can create alot of torque and that's why most larger engines have a longer stroke and that's the advantage of a long block over a short block.

firstly the longe stroke does not produce more torque solely because torque = force times distance(which is actaulyl incorrect). in fact the the propper equation for torque is torque = force times perpendicular distance, and therefore since the cylinder travels perpendicular to the motion of the cam shaft, the length of the stroke has no effect on torque in that respect. more torque is generated by engines with longer strokes b/c it have a higher compression ratio, which is the same principal as a turbo/supercharger, ie more air/fuel in a smaller area = more boom.

yes torque is force*distance(that's what the Lever Arm is) that's why ALL Torque Wrenches are exactly 1 foot long hence Torque is in Lbs per feet, foot pounds of torque get it?

and no not all torque wrenchs are exactly 1 foot.. if you dont believe me look here (http://www.norbar.com/twnch.htm). think about it, if u need to torque a bolt to 250 ft lbs , how are you going to do that with a 1 foot wrnch?! apply 250 ftlbs? damn hard if u ask me................

next time do your homework, or know what the fuck u're talking about before you post! :roll: and to think that your dad has all those muscle cars and u don't know what a torque wrench looks like?! do u have any pix of your so called dad's cars? or are you just another Donny? :twisted:

[zevolv]

OK dick shit the Camshaft has nothing to do with the stroke of an engine that is the Crankshaft and Actually the equation is just Force*Distance so on those 2 matters you can kneel down and open wide and when I said all torque wrenches are 1 foot long I meant standard torque wrenches yes you can get longer ones but they will be really expensive and not too many things on a car go over about 160. actually more torque is created because of the longer Crankshaft that's why diesel's (the kings of torque) use long blocks not short blocks so once again kneel down bitch. And I went and looked in our garage and yes we do have a 2 foot torque wrench. so it was a slight typo.

[deth]

Actually the equation is just Force*Distance

um no....for teh sake or argument if the force parallel to the distance the torque is zero no matter how hard u push or how far is is. and es i made a mistake, i meant crankshaft, not camshaft

[zevolv]

in all my physics classes I've taken (3) and all the automotive books I have (3 textbooks) I was always taught just Force*Distance even though on a rotational basis was always stressed the equation was always just normal distance.

AND: if some dumbass takes a torque wrench and tries to push down on it to turn the bolt they shouldn't even be allowed to ride in a car.

[nthfinity]

as its been explained already, Force*Distance/Time= power aka torque. what i think hasnt been adiquately explained is how hp is derived from torque
Horsepower = (trorque)(RPM)/5252
as the power is given in rotational form, it is converted back to liniar form when say, you go down the streatch of tarmac
the engine power is lost by
By accelerating the car over a distance in a given amount of time.
Aerodynamic drag on the vehicle.

Rolling friction loss. Some of the energy is dissipated as heat in the gears, torque converter, wheel bearing, and tires.

Inertial losses. It takes energy to speed up a mass. Internal components in the vehicle drivetrain that undergo acceleration draw energy. These components include the pistons/connecting rods changing direction, pulleys, flywheel, transmission shafts, drive shaft, axles, and wheels. The mass of the pistons/connecting rods and valves/springs are always a draw on horsepower. The mass of the rotating components only draw horsepower when the engine increases RPM. Lightening up all of these components will reduce inertial losses, and make the engine less stable. On the plus side, these inertial components, once up to speed, will make your car coast further and can help mileage on the highway. But they hither acceleration so buy aluminum or magnesium rims. =P

so in retrospect, hp is little more then a differnece between torque and rpm.
when looking to buy your next sportscar, look up its torque curve... the flatter the curve, the more linear your accelleration will be, but it wont be a sudden boost of power, but a constant application. some people dont like this, and choose to buy high reving, low torque cars... tho they make decent torque, there is little startoff accelleration (do you really want to try and dump the clutch from 7000 rpms in an S2000?)
my 2 cents

[deth]

actually more torque is created because of the longer Crankshaft that's why diesel's (the kings of torque) use long blocks not short blocks

oh dear.....u're so confused. first diesel's have more torque because diesel has more btu/lbm. and secondly diesels ahve higher compression ratios than gas engines, thats why they're so noisy. notice its the stroke that causes the higher compression and hence the torque.

[mburer]

AND: if some dumbass takes a torque wrench and tries to push down on it to turn the bolt they shouldn't even be allowed to ride in a car.

so they should only pull up on a torque wrench ? or maybe only push it sideways ? LMAO.. and since when was mechanical competency a must for being allowed in a car :?:

[nthfinity]

jeez deth/zevlov lol calm down, we are here to have fun and learn.... so what if we are sometimes wrong...

[deth]

in all my physics classes I've taken (3) and all the automotive books I have (3 textbooks) I was always taught just Force*Distance even though on a rotational basis was always stressed the equation was always just normal distance.

impressive, then i guess that just negates all 3 year of my mech eng studies then, doesnt it..damn..i wish i had 6 physics/technical books. and you do realize that 'normal to' is the same a 'perpendicular to' right?


where are the pix of your and your dad's cars?

[nthfinity]

impressive, then i guess that just negates all 3 year of my mech eng studies then, doesnt it..damn..i wish i had 6 physics/technical books. and you do realize that 'normal to' is the same a 'perpendicular to' right?

lmao. Engineering is the Shit! no doubt to that. so many posts so quickly, i think ill have a drink!

[zevolv]

yes but in the equation it always just said distance that's what I meant by normal distance.

[Vansquish]

in all my physics classes I've taken (3) and all the automotive books I have (3 textbooks) I was always taught just Force*Distance even though on a rotational basis was always stressed the equation was always just normal distance.



Care to list the textbooks you've got, and what classes you've taken? I am a physics major, and I've taken several University of Michigan Engineering school classes on mechanics in addition to my studies in physics. YOU ARE WRONG. The equation for Torque is force times the perpendicular distance to the axis of motion. That means in a simple case...say a wheel...the perpendicular distance to the point of application of the force...i.e. static friction on the road... would be the same distance as the radius of the wheel. In other cases it does not work out that way. If you want to find the torque on a dipole (something that has a positive electric charge at one end, and a negative one at the other end) in a constant electric field, the sum of the forces on the dipole comes to ZERO, but there is still torque, i.e. the thing will still rotate about its center. The torque is measured at a PERPENDICULAR distance to the center of rotation, from both ends separately. The equation for torque is T = R X F where "X" means "cross product" and the force "F" must be applied at a perpendicular to the lever arm "R". If you would like a more thorough explanation of what torque is, and how to find it, I will be more than happy to look it up in any of my 7 physics textbooks, 3 engineering texts, or even some of my high-level math texts.

P.S. "Normal" is another word for "perpendicular"

[zevolv]

If your asking about the Physics books I sold those after I took the class in High School and the Automotive books are Automotive Engine Rebuilding, Automotive Engineering, Automotive Brake Assemblies those are the only ones I still have.
and we covered your P.S. comment
And I know what torque is and I know how to figure it out but the simple equation is just Force*Distance.

[Vansquish]

Yes, the simple equation is FD, but it doesn't make any sense to use it, as in any reasonable application it's far too inaccurate to be of any use.

So how 'bout some pics, I'll post some of mine if you post some of yours.

[zevolv]

pics of what?

[deth]

obviously your classes werent very advanced if they;re just definign torque as force* distance. if you look at more advanced texts its usually written as Fxd which as vanquish covered is not the same as F.d or F*d or as F.dsin(theta)

WHERE ARE THE PIX!

[deth]

pics of what?

dont be ignorant....well actually u already are...so at least dont be stupid! pix of you and your dad's cars! you postem and if they're real i'll drop this whole argument

[zevolv]

well for a couple of reasons I couldn't do that right now if I wanted to and it definitely wouldn't be to please your sorry ass. 1. I'm not even in the same state as my House and 2. not all my dad's cars are kept at our house right now. And like I posted somewhere else once the snow stops and i bring the car's up to our house I will take pics of them and the new Installs on the Camaro. So you will just have to fuckin wait won't you but that shouldn't stop Vansquish.

[Vansquish]

As for your comment about the Camshafts vs. the Crankshaft, you're right in that case, but your facts are still a bit screwed up. Long-block engines do not by nature have more torque or higher compression. It is something of a coincidence that the large portion of industrial and commercial diesel engines use an inline long-block configuration. However, it is not the block length but the compression, which has more to do with the stroke (and method of aspiration) of the engine than anything else. This would not come from the length of the crankshaft, it would come from the eccentricity of its nodes. The more eccentric, the farther the piston will travel in the cylinder, and the higher the compression ratio can be, and therefore the more torque the engine can produce. Diesels tend to have very high compression ratios compared to gasoline engines, that's where the torque tends to come from, as well as the fact that diesel is a more efficient fuel (more btu/L).

[Vansquish]

So you will just have to fuckin wait won't you but that shouldn't stop Vanquish.


Poor guy, you keep slandering another member of JW.

[deth]

well for a couple of reasons I couldn't do that right now if I wanted to and it definitely wouldn't be to please your sorry ass. 1. I'm not even in the same state as my House and 2. not all my dad's cars are kept at our house right now. And like I posted somewhere else once the snow stops and i bring the car's up to our house I will take pics of them and the new Installs on the Camaro. So you will just have to fuckin wait won't you but that shouldn't stop Vanquish.

so u're telling me u're away from home, but u have 2 cars and you didnt take either of them with you? what about that sweet evo u got for xmas? i'm guessing its stored safely at home, and the thunderbird is in storage, and you decided not to take any cars to school so you could save money cuz u're a starving student or something like that right?

[zevolv]

actually I'm in Sacramento for the weekend at My Uncle's house.

[deth]

so u can have pix up on monday then?

PS you flew to sacramento for the weekend? i'm guessing your uncle has an amazing car collection too, but its all in storage too right?

[SFDMALEX]

I smell fire :D

[nthfinity]

god, i wish my dad or myself had a "car collection" oh well....
torque->hp->misinformation->argument->car pic arguments
LMAO
this really is funny, but hell, chill out zev

[deth]

I smell fire :D

fire? where?! :roll: let me go put it out w/ my carbon fibre/kevlar fire extinguisher! oh wait..its in storage..damn....

[SFDMALEX]

Zevlol you lying bastard.

1st- How in the fuck did you get 500bhp on a fucking Thunder Bird? I dont see modified anywhere so it gotta be stock. And it has 500bhp? Or is it a special one off like your daddys Maxime Elite Edition? Where in the fuck did he get an Elite Edition Maxima? Im sure he got it straight from the Nissan factory.


Now to questions

How do you turn of yaw control in your EVO?

And what tranny are you running on that Drag Strip Camaro of yours?

And I see your mother drives a 20th aniversiry golf. That car has a manual transmission, and I got a feeling that your mother would not want to drive a stick around a city like Chicago.


And while your at it, make sure you stop and think about the load of amphibian shit that is going to come out of your mouth the moment you read this post ya fucking wanker!

[SFDMALEX]

aaa

[BADMIHAI]

Is it me, or did zevlov get owned?

[SFDMALEX]

And Zevlov, before you even think of posting anything. Make sure you got some explanations for that computer you got which is running 2x500gb hdd.

[SFDMALEX]

Ohhh and Zevlov, how did you manage to Major In Arts at 18? Im sure your a gifted child and finished high school at 14...........

[graywolf624]

Ouch... and I thought arguements I got into recently were getting outta hand.


*On a side note: I too would like to see some car pics.. Just outta curiousity..

[RC45]

Sweet - I had wondered when the "blow-hard" from the Windy City would get caught out... ;)

I can proudly say I had NO part in this one... LOL

All we need is Nicolaski from RF to arrive and finish Zevolv of... ;)

[RC45]

i'm guessing your uncle has an amazing car collection too, but its all in storage too right?

LOL - it's always the "my uncle has" lies that catch em out... ;)

[Vansquish]

might want to be careful guys...the Elite Edition Maxima is a factory option package, you can get 500bhp out of a Thunderbird fairly easily depending on what you do to it...supercharging is a relatively cheap way, and the engine is in essence the same 4.6L V8 as in the Mustang GT and Cobra, and my mom has to fight her way through rush hour traffic for 1-1.5 hours every day, each direction in a manual transmission Ford Contour, and she wouldn't trade it for anything, I feel the same way about the stick...though I have to admit my family is kind of odd in that way hehehe.

[deth]

And I went and looked in our garage and yes we do have a 2 foot torque wrench. so it was a slight typo.

actually I'm in Sacramento for the weekend at My Uncle's house.

alright dipshit, are u in sacramento or chicago, cuz i know u dont have a star trek transporter.

PS i think the title of this thread should be changed to "doubts about zevolv"

[666fast]

LOL, looks like deth nailed him. The time difference between those two posts is just over an hour. LOL

[RC45]

might want to be careful guys...the Elite Edition Maxima is a factory option package, you can get 500bhp out of a Thunderbird fairly easily depending on what you do to it...supercharging is a relatively cheap way, and the engine is in essence the same 4.6L V8 as in the Mustang GT and Cobra, and my mom has to fight her way through rush hour traffic for 1-1.5 hours every day, each direction in a manual transmission Ford Contour, and she wouldn't trade it for anything, I feel the same way about the stick...though I have to admit my family is kind of odd in that way hehehe.

Not really...

Who gives a shit about the Maxima as a performance car anyway - every weekend I have to deal with the kidz out in mommy's Maxima 3.5 - they seem to think the car is fast...

Next - who in the right mind would waste the time and effort on punching the T-Bird motor to 500hp - it is still a brick...

And just because his mom has the 'nads to drive a stick wouldn't make any of his crap more believable - it would just underline the fact that even his mom could own him on a the street... ;)

[Vansquish]

...I was just making the point that we ought to get the facts straight... then do the flaming :D :D

[666fast]

Well, with deths post with his two comments on checking his garage and being in Sacramento, the flaming can go on. I think he's been nailed.
I find it hard to believe he can drive from his house to the airport, go through all the checks, get on the plane, fly to Sacramento, pick up his luggage, drive to his uncles house, and hop on the internet to make another post in just over an hours time.

[marciodcmendes]

I can see the flames from Portugal, guys! LOL :D

[jon_s]

pmsl at this thread..........I knew something was up when I saw 4 pages lol

I will wait untill we get some pics.........just a note though, don't just find pics from a dealer as a certain member on here has shown an ability to sniff that out lol 8)

Have a nice day!

[stradale]

LOL! Good going, guys. Especially deth.

We're waiting for pictures, here.

[SFDMALEX]

might want to be careful guys...the Elite Edition Maxima is a factory option package, you can get 500bhp out of a Thunderbird fairly easily depending on what you do to it...supercharging is a relatively cheap way, and the engine is in essence the same 4.6L V8 as in the Mustang GT and Cobra, and my mom has to fight her way through rush hour traffic for 1-1.5 hours every day, each direction in a manual transmission Ford Contour, and she wouldn't trade it for anything, I feel the same way about the stick...though I have to admit my family is kind of odd in that way hehehe.

Vansquish I know that it is possible to pump out 500bhp out of the Tbird. The thing is he does not mention, "modified" or anything like that in his post.

As for the Elite Edition who gives a fuck. He came off easy on that one.

[corvette97]

zevolv owned? :twisted:

[graywolf624]

and the engine is in essence the same 4.6L V8
There is a far cry between 205 hp and 500. Can it be done? Yes.
Can it be done reliably or in a manner where the ends justify the means on the stock 4.6. Hells no.

[Vansquish]

LOL
You're dead right, there's no way that he could do those posts from those 2 different places in an hour's time.

[RC45]

LOL
You're dead right, there's no way that he could do those posts from those 2 different places in an hour's time.

...well - maybe his explanaiton will be "I used VNC to post from my home PC - my uncle's one is in storage...." ;)

[TT]

pics of what?

Pics of your dad's cars and your EVO VIII.. you're teasing us since the first day and you can understand everybody would like a nice group pic and so on :D

[TT]

actually I'm in Sacramento for the weekend at My Uncle's house.

Just to let you know, since you first registered you ALWAYS posted from the SAME IP... so, the SAME PC, SAME house, town and so on...

[RC45]

actually I'm in Sacramento for the weekend at My Uncle's house.

Just to let you know, since you first registered you ALWAYS posted from the SAME IP... so, the SAME PC, SAME house, town and so on...

Now THAT is being 0wn3d... ;)

(although the VNC defense could be used to try explain the "same IP adress" - but be no more believable than OJ's story... )

[marciodcmendes]

And he hits the floor... Knockout!!!!!!!! :P

[TT]

ok now back ontopic.. zevlov case will be maybe discussed again somewhere else ;)

[RC45]

ok now back ontopic.. zevlov case will be maybe discussed again somewhere else ;)

Topic? The original poster has his quesitons answered by all the factual replies about torque... it is now open season... ;)

[TT]

LOL, but again, we should still give the benefit of the doubt to him... we already got Donny some days ago... we shouldn't push to hard..

But my 2 cents: if you have so many muscle cars and got an EVO VIII at Christmas, it's IMPOSSIBLE you never took a single pic.... IMPOSSIBLE...

And yes, I hope I am wrong

[marciodcmendes]

And that's a fact, Jack...

[TT]

Well, we have to admit Donny's affair made us more sensible..

[deth]

i just couldn't hold it in anymore! i was kinda surprised i was the first to snap at him tho and call his bluff........... :oops:

[jon_s]

we already got Donny some days ago... we shouldn't push to hard..

Is it hunting season on JW these days.......it seems like the donny affair opened the season.

Anyone seen the simpsons when they go hunting for snakes?? lol

[RC45]

we already got Donny some days ago... we shouldn't push to hard..

Is it hunting season on JW these days.......it seems like the donny affair opened the season.

The Donny affair? :x I missed out on that one too? :twisted:

/me is off to use the search feature... hhh... "donny own3d" might work...

[yg60m]

Donny, Donny ?? i remember someone that lied about his cars or something like this, isn't it him that pretend to buy a Vanquish alongside his M3 and so ..

[TT]

Yes you can see everything in the "I just ought a dream" topic in the what do you drive or ride section ;)

[jon_s]

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6108

here in fact! lol. Just saw the pic of the crashed one......nearly cried lol

[RC45]

I just read the "Donny Osmond Story" in the Rides section - ROTMFFLMMFARTMFO!!!!!

That was some goo shite... ;)

Thanks guys - :D

[yg60m]

Hum, yes i remember but now i haven't time to see it, my Airbus A320 is waiting for me to repatriate my collection of cars wich includes Ferrari 250 GTO (63 and 64 models), Enzo, Mclaren and co. from Sacramento to Monaco where i bought a 1 000 m² appartment :wink:
Of course you guessed i was playing with my 2 years old son ...

[Harbormaster]

No Torque....No Power......HP alone is zip !

[jaime_25]

actually I'm in Sacramento for the weekend at My Uncle's house.

Just to let you know, since you first registered you ALWAYS posted from the SAME IP... so, the SAME PC, SAME house, town and so on...

maybe he has his own private satellite internet that he can use anywhere anytime :P

[nthfinity]

just read donny's story... sounds familair to zevlovs story. ive seen some wealthy families (wealthy compared to me, while living in the same neighborhood) driving a new 04 us. WRX STi... i only wish that was me. hope its true, because a loss of trust is one of the worst things to me. i loath lies

[coombsie66]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Oh, gud job chaps, nice not having to smell Bullshit every new thread now!!
Gud job especially to deth,

I mean i should have thought, why work so hard to get into uni and study ur balls off when u cud just pop down the library and get a few physics and automotive books out, and instantly become an expert on all engineering!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Vansquish]

well put Coombsie...and kudos DETH, that was a really excellent catch !

[deth]

hahaha..it wasnt me guys..anybody that would have taken him on would have figured him out. i just happen to the be the one whose patience ran out first!

[zevolv]

Ok the thing is the Thunderbird is modified because I already had it so I felt like it. and if you look at a Nissan's website there is an option called the elite edition which makes only two seats in the rear versus the bench you fucking jackass and my mom drives a manual yes we don't actually live in Downtown Chicago ok we live North of the city. she doesn't go into the city very often. The Camaro has a powerglide hooked up to a 9" Ford rear end. I'm studying to be an art major I'm not one now. So I lied about being in Sacramento I just don't want to fucking please your gay ass all the fucking time. I will get around to it so kiss my ass! the 2 HD's are in an Alienware check it out ok they are Western Digital Caviars. And no my Uncle drive's a 530i and my Aunt has an 01 Pathfinder nothing too special ok. :fist: OH and I don't give a flying fuck what anybody from fucking Canada has to say to me or anyone else because Canada can suck my balls it shouldn't even be a country.

[graywolf624]

Let the lynching begin.

[nthfinity]

wow, somehow, that managed to refute absolutely NOTHING... or am i the only one who thinks this? anybody could talk about a ford 9" rear... its quite comonplace. the maxima was already decided to be able to be true. and in case you havent read; anybody with so many cars is quite able to own a Digicam, let alone an Alienware computer.
i built mine, and my digicam sucks (driver failures) and i only own 1 car that i am paying for

[RC45]

Ok the thing is the Thunderbird is modified because I already had it so I felt like it.

uhuh - yeah - whatever... so you gonna post the mod list? Help us non-Ford guys understand better..

and if you look at a Nissan's website there is an option called the elite edition which makes only two seats in the rear versus the bench you fucking jackass

Been covered and checked off...

and my mom drives a manual yes

Better than you?

we don't actually live in Downtown Chicago ok we live North of the city. she doesn't go into the city very often.

No problem there - most of the spoilt, uneducated money lives North

The Camaro has a powerglide hooked up to a 9" Ford rear end.

So - wann share that lovely car with as GM fans? I mean we are all family - right?


I'm studying to be an art major I'm not one now.

I could have sworn in previous posts you spoke about being and auto mechanic or apprentice or something to do with cars and engines and autos and repairs - Remember - you did some engine rebuilds on a Z06 or something...???

So I lied about being in Sacramento I just don't want to fucking please your gay ass all the fucking time. I will get around to it so kiss my ass!

Wow - wonder why you suddenly hate the community?

the 2 HD's are in an Alienware check it out ok they are Western Digital Caviars.


I am wondering why you are running RAID 0 instead od RAID 1 or 5? (simply dump extra money into another 500GB drive) - what OS you running on that bad boy?

And no my Uncle drive's a 530i and my Aunt has an 01 Pathfinder nothing too special ok.

DOn't get those honest folks mixed up in this - they don't deserve it ... ;)

:fist: OH and I don't give a flying fuck what anybody from fucking Canada has to say to me or anyone else because Canada can suck my balls it shouldn't even be a country.

Ok - we established that due to your geo-political fantasies Canada is not there - but how about the rest of us?

[deth]

because Canada can suck my balls it shouldn't even be a country.

right, very mature.....

in any case, can we have pix of these 500GB WD caviars u have?

[zevolv]

RC45 I recognize Texas and all the european countries and the countries to my South but I don't like Canada. I'm only using XP pro but occassionaly will boot up Knoppix. I am learning to be in Automotive Design and I take alot of Automotive classes on the side, and the Vette was brought in cause the guy blew the engine.

Oh and Don't ask for pics cause that will make you wait longer.

[Vansquish]

Nice sig...apparently you want your legacy to be a slanderous one.

[deth]

hey zevolv, buddy, why all the hate? it can all be solved w/ some pix! we've now established that u're at home, so just run out to the garage and snap some quick ones this will all be over!

[nthfinity]

anybody with so many cars is quite able to own a Digicam, let alone an Alienware computer.
i built mine, and my digicam sucks (driver failures) and i only own 1 car that i am paying for


well nthfinity I will pray for your car as well

Paying for as in money. i am working class, and full time school
my car is running flawless

[Vansquish]

At least Donny admitted his mistakes, repented, and moved on rather than fanning the flames.
Here we go :lol:

It's getting hot in here...
so take off all your posts...
You are gettin' so hot
(uh uh uh uh)
You oughta take your posts off
Yeah yeah come on
Why you at the JW if you ain't poppin' the bottles...
What good is all the flame if you ain't got the car models?
I see you say you a drive sports car, ain't hittin' the throttle...

[RC45]

I'm only using XP pro but occassionaly will boot up
Knoppix.

XP Pro - nice - so back to the RAID setup you have - hardware or software RAID?

I am learning to be in Automotive Design and I take alot of Automotive classes on the side, and the Vette was brought in cause the guy blew the engine.
Brought into where?

Oh and Don't ask for pics cause that will make you wait longer.

Pity, as an automotive site, we thrive on auto-related media...

[zevolv]

well nthfinity I will pray for your car as well

Paying for as in money. i am working class, and full time school
my car is running flawless

OK so I miss read oops

[deth]

FUCK DETH he has nothing better to do with his time here?

you realize that isnt a question right? it should be "FUCK DETH has he nothing better to do with his time here?"

PS. see! i'm being friendly, helping you out with your grammar! what univeristy are you at? what courses are you taking now?

[Chaos in 1983!]

LOL...this thread is so funny...I read through the whole thing and I almost pissed my pants...

Zevolv...I've had my doubts about you for a while...but I didn't want to say anything because there was nothing clear...but now I'm really convinced...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!!!!....you keep making dumbshit excuses about not being able to post pics of your dad's so called "collection"...oh yeah..."I'm in Sacramento"..."I'm not at home"..."I don't have a digital camera"...and how about your neighboor's yellow 360 I asked you about a while ago in another thread, you said you could just go over and ask him for a ride...you never posted pics of it...and your friend's Ferrari Boat!...LOL...how about some pics of that!...

If you do have an EVOVIII you MUST have pics of it...anyone that has such a great car will be proud of it...hell even I have pics of my '91 COROLLA...and yes I'm not ashamed of it, I don't go around saying I drive porsche, m3 or EVO...

All this can be fixed with just ONE pic...come on go to the garage and take a pic...if you don't own a digicam, you must know someone that ownes one...

[SFDMALEX]

Ok the thing is the Thunderbird is modified because I already had it so I felt like it. and if you look at a Nissan's website there is an option called the elite edition which makes only two seats in the rear versus the bench you fucking jackass and my mom drives a manual yes we don't actually live in Downtown Chicago ok we live North of the city. she doesn't go into the city very often. The Camaro has a powerglide hooked up to a 9" Ford rear end. I'm studying to be an art major I'm not one now. So I lied about being in Sacramento I just don't want to fucking please your gay ass all the fucking time. I will get around to it so kiss my ass! the 2 HD's are in an Alienware check it out ok they are Western Digital Caviars. And no my Uncle drive's a 530i and my Aunt has an 01 Pathfinder nothing too special ok. :fist: OH and I don't give a flying fuck what anybody from fucking Canada has to say to me or anyone else because Canada can suck my balls it shouldn't even be a country.

Yo you little shit. You didnt answer all of my questions.

As for Canada you can go fuck your self. If your gonna discriminate, go discriminate someone else before you get run over buy by a camaro with a powerglide on it.

I thought you said youd never run raid. Where in the hell did you get TWO 500GB WD? You can only have 4x250 in RAID which you said you'd never have.

And why lie? If you dont feel like pleasing anyones ass just tell them to fuck off.

And lastly answer my other question.

P.S Your full of shit.

[SFDMALEX]

Ohh and Im sure your on your computer so why dont you take a screenshot of your device manager.

[SFDMALEX]

Ohh and before you bullshit. THINK twice about it.

[RC45]

I'm only using XP pro but occassionaly will boot up
Knoppix.

XP Pro - nice - so back to the RAID setup you have - hardware or software RAID?

[/quote]

I would love to hear about your XP Pro RAID setup.. please...

[TT]

zevlov, you DON'T HAVE TO BE PISSED OFF!

WTF?!?!? You keep speaking about those cars, that signature teased us for months and you keep making excuses... for the last time, it's impossible that you never took pics of the EVO at least a couple of times.. maybe with a couple of the other cars, IMPOSSIBLE!

Now if are going to produce proofs, you just have to have a low profile untill that and stop calling for flames! Can't you really understand us, even after Donny's case????????????

[jon_s]

I am just going to wait for some pics. IMO, he still could be telling the truth, unlike Donny, where evidence was the nail in the coffin. Patience people.

[Fluxlo]

I'm only using XP pro but occassionaly will boot up
Knoppix.

XP Pro - nice - so back to the RAID setup you have - hardware or software RAID?



I would love to hear about your XP Pro RAID setup.. please...[/quote]

Well since he has a 'high end Alienware computer', he's running a hardware SATA raid 0 setup (hardware based) using 2 250 gig Special Edition drives (pulled this straight from the Alienware site, Zevolv probably did too seeing how it's the biggest drive setup availible :wink: ) . But i'm sure he can prove that with a simple image of his storage devices.

[marciodcmendes]

Yeah, let's all calm down and wait to see what happens... :wink:

[coombsie66]

Yeah, lets wait 4 him to go down the shops (most probably on his push bike) to get sum KY, in preperation 4 gettin shafted!!!

[callen]

anger is akey indicator someone is lying. zevlov shouldnt be gettin mad, he should be getting even by getting some fucking pictures up on jabbasworld!

[SFDMALEX]

I'm only using XP pro but occassionaly will boot up
Knoppix.

XP Pro - nice - so back to the RAID setup you have - hardware or software RAID?



I would love to hear about your XP Pro RAID setup.. please...

Well since he has a 'high end Alienware computer', he's running a hardware SATA raid 0 setup (hardware based) using 2 250 gig Special Edition drives (pulled this straight from the Alienware site, Zevolv probably did too seeing how it's the biggest drive setup availible :wink: ) . But i'm sure he can prove that with a simple image of his storage devices.[/quote]

No, no. He has 2x500gb hardrives. Not 4x250s, 2x500sss. yes he's that special.

[Toronto]

... :fist: OH and I don't give a flying fuck what anybody from fucking Canada has to say to me or anyone else because Canada can suck my balls it shouldn't even be a country.

how can u suck a bitches balls?

If my igloo didn't freeze over this morning and a moose falling on my legs, i would drive right down to you a kick your ass (unless you have a black *pink* belt in some crazy fighting style) Canada has a much better standard of living, and was voted at least 4 times in the last 10 years the best place to live (USA never that i can recall)

zevolv - we one 1812 do we have to win 2004?

i have nothing against american just the fact just zevolv has something wrong with his head, zevolv just post a pic of your car it is not that hard, or USE THE PRINT SCREEN BUTTON ON YOU KEY BOARD AND SHOW US YOU CPU STATS how hard is it?

[graywolf624]

Canada has a much better standard of living

That depends alot on what you consider is better. USA for instance has better health care.

we one 1812

Not really but ok.

No american versus canada bs. Each side has their benefits and netagatives.

[coloradosilver]

Jesus Christ!! Are there any threads that haven't been ripping on Zevolv lately? Ok, he might have some issues, but lets keep all this shit in one place, it seems like it's spilling out all over JW and it's a bit anoying to keep seeing it. Maybe we should start a new thread just for that, wait there already is, and it's like 6 PAGES LONG! Damn, lets just throw Death and Zevolv into the ring together and be done with it.

[TT]

Yes I agree... time to lock this one since it is gone way to off topic :)