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philip
11-13-2008, 12:20 AM
Metally pick the maximum price you would pay for this car

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6103/63tempestub2.jpg

Then go to the ebay website and see what it sold for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Le-Mans-TEMPEST-63-PONTIAC-LeMANS-TEMPEST-1-4-MILE-CAR-W-O-MOTOR-TRANS_W0QQitemZ110306170567QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_C ars_Trucks?hash=item110306170567&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

How did you do?
RC45
11-13-2008, 12:29 AM
Uhm - lets say I would have underbid by a lot......
Mattk
11-13-2008, 02:06 AM
I would have bid less than the starting bid. The description provided is unflattering.
HeilSvenska
11-13-2008, 02:15 AM
Yeahhhhh. It's not worth that much. Not by a long shot.
PaulGT2164
11-13-2008, 02:36 AM
"Yeahhhhh. It's not worth that much. Not by a long shot."

considering the rarity of the car, and the story behind the lightweight superduty pontiacs, its worth it :)
5vz-fe
11-13-2008, 02:49 AM
A little more on the story after a quick search
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/10/ebay-find-of-the-day-1963-lemans-tempest-sells-for-226-521/
HeilSvenska
11-13-2008, 02:49 AM
Lol. I didn't read the extra info on it. One of six ever made. Maybe it's worth it.

But it's faaaar from pristine. After someone restores it, I wonder how much of the original car will be left... Of course, ideally, I'd have it restored using the period correct parts.
Mattk
11-13-2008, 02:52 AM
Mate, there is rare stuff and there is quality rare stuff. This is just a piece of junk. Did you read the bit in the description which said it has no motor or transmission? It's not even a car anymore! Like Heil said, restoration would be more of a reconstruction.
silentm
11-13-2008, 07:46 AM
wow what a pile of junk. even if it has racing pedigree... and "only" some odd 3000 miles on it ... i would have never spent that much money on a shell of a car O.o
Mattk
11-13-2008, 08:20 AM
^Yeah, the odometer statistic is only relevant when there is an engine to refer it to!
philip
11-13-2008, 10:54 AM
The the additional article says that the special six cars had aluminum front fenders. Did you note the visible rust on the front fenders of our ebay special.

As far as lightweight, for an American car for its time it was. 3300 lbs.

If your buying history, you are missing the important part with this car.
pitfield
11-13-2008, 12:02 PM
Someone must have a Pontiac fetish.
philip
11-13-2008, 06:00 PM
The the additional article says that the special six cars had aluminum front fenders. Did you note the visible rust on the front fenders of our ebay special.

As far as lightweight, for an American car for its time it was. 3300 lbs.

If your buying history, you are missing the important part with this car.

Well apparently it is one of the true six cars. The front end was taken off and stored long ago, who knows why. I dont think the front end was included in the auction.
pagani
11-14-2008, 03:51 PM
that would a great basecar for a pro touring car
HeilSvenska
11-14-2008, 04:49 PM
No. It wouldn't
nthfinity
11-14-2008, 05:06 PM
No. It wouldn't
Heil, I just lol'd :mrgreen:
Mattk
11-14-2008, 09:16 PM
^Same here! This would turn straight into scrap metal if I ever acquired it. It's beyond saving.
79TA
11-17-2008, 06:59 PM
History has a price too. Hardcore TLC can bring a lot back. Also, many "authentic" cars have a great deal of replacement parts anyway and this would be just as authentic.
Erez
11-17-2008, 07:05 PM
lmao NO WAY.. :laugh:
79TA
11-17-2008, 07:18 PM
No way what? The restoration won't be bad, just tedious and expensive. They'll track down period correct and NOS parts and they'll have a nice historic car.

Secondly, it's frightening to see how often historic cars are far from original.
nthfinity
11-17-2008, 08:52 PM
all people saying "no way" have no mental connection to how special this car was... and may be the same people who oogle, and ah at people documenting a full restoration of something like this into a concours winning, or just blatently awesome-ness...
Mattk
11-17-2008, 09:09 PM
As interesting as a restoration would be, it's doubtful that this hulk is in good enough condition to begin with.
nthfinity
11-17-2008, 09:12 PM
As interesting as a restoration would be, it's doubtful that this hulk is in good enough condition to begin with.
wow, you really have no clue what people do all the time with these "old hulks" ... even when they are not "teh awesome" kind of rare vehicle that is worth bucket loads

If you came upon a Otto Vu Fiat if all that was left is a chassis, and a steering wheel; there is enough to warrent a restoration. This vehicle is far more than that, and far more rare with race history to boot.
79TA
11-17-2008, 09:21 PM
As interesting as a restoration would be, it's doubtful that this hulk is in good enough condition to begin with.

hehe, you'd have to see what sorts of 1st gen Camaros are being salvaged these days since all of the (servicable) cheap ones have been bought up. There's a similar (in heritage) GTO undergoing restoration at a shop not too far away from me.
Mattk
11-17-2008, 09:49 PM
Of course you could do it if you really wanted to, but I don't think it's worth the price and effort. If you were to sell it, I doubt you'd recoup the expenses. You'd only restore it if you were keeping it for yourself.
HeilSvenska
11-17-2008, 09:55 PM
all people saying "no way" have no mental connection to how special this car was... and may be the same people who oogle, and ah at people documenting a full restoration of something like this into a concours winning, or just blatently awesome-ness...

Yeah. That's very true. :-(
Erez
11-18-2008, 07:27 AM
i love classics, and i love old muscle cars, but paying so much for this thing is insane.
I can think of 1000 different classics i would rather have for this kind of money.
if its your money and you want it, all the best to you, thank god not everyone like the same things.
nthfinity
11-18-2008, 10:21 AM
I can think of 1000 different classics i would rather have for this kind of money.

What is the difference between this, and a Mercedes 300 Gullwing in similar condition?
Erez
11-18-2008, 10:34 AM
What is the difference between this, and a Mercedes 300 Gullwing in similar condition?

to me? the world, thats why i said thank god that people like different things,
this car means less then nothing to me (and i do like a few muscle cars) and the Gullwing.. well..
..I'll take a copo Camaro over this thing as well..:-D
m0ng0l01dz
11-18-2008, 06:46 PM
That car is a diamond needle in haystack. When the rebuild is done, it will be the most expensive "pre-muscle car era" piece of Detroit iron sold at the next available Barret-Jackson. Let's revisit this when that happens, eh?It sucks to think that the guy who created this car went on to create the DMC-12!
Mattk
11-18-2008, 08:48 PM
I agree that it will sell for a lot, but enough to cover the cost of rebuilding it? I doubt that.
nthfinity
11-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I agree that it will sell for a lot, but enough to cover the cost of rebuilding it? I doubt that.

The cost of rebuilding Detroit steel isn't nearly akin to rebuilding a Ferrari in similar condition. Although, some shops do charge that much.

considering how special this car is, It will jump another 250 + USD compared to the sale price.