presidential candidate debate

[10000rpmlover]

I have been watching this... and before it I thought Obama was the man... now I am not so sure

Macain has destroyed him hard, Obama got all bent out of shape, he had some major points, but for some reason he did not come across as a collected individual, to me it marked the difference between a seasoned senator and a 2 yr junior senator...

John Macain got under Obama's skin rather harsh, there were 8 rounds of questions, if you think of it as a boxing match, Obama may have gotten 1 punch in while he took punches to the skull repeatedly by macain

now I am not republican either, nor am I a democrat, but FFS Obama should skip getting into debates with macain... this was not good for him, he sounded too dreamy, he tried to paint a picture of a fantasy... Son of a....

another debate like this and I know where my vote goes

[SHIZL]

they both didnt answer the real question about the economy crisis and will continue to dodge that because thats one of the focal points for me, as far as the winner there wasnt a clear cut winner for me, me i really dont care about crooks (politicians).

[10000rpmlover]

they both didnt answer the real question about the economy crisis and will continue to dodge that because thats one of the focal points for me, as far as the winner there wasnt a clear cut winner for me, me i really dont care about crooks (politicians).


LOl did you see the fox news poll they made?

82% said Macain bent obama over his lap and spanked him

11% said Obama won

7% said there was no winner


LOL!!!:laugh::laugh:

[RC45]

they both didnt answer the real question about the economy crisis

The reason is Obugga insisted they have this stupid debate instead of help knock out a solution - afterall, one of these 2 blokes will be stuck with cleaning up the mess... for Odumba to say they should not be involved in the solution is pretty, well.. dumb.

This debate could have waited until Monday.

[nthfinity]

I don't like any of the above choices. But I know there was no way I'd vote for Obomonitis. Some of my Obama supporting friends are starting to waiver at their blind support of him... maybe it was just that they couldn't/wouldn't support another Clinton who was the "obvious" opportunist... who knows.

Missed the debate, I was reading a book. Any good? or mostly dumb questions?

[styla21]

In all honesty, I thought both candidates did a very good job laying out their policy positions. Neither candidate had a major gaffe. Both candidates landed several jabs. Both candidates get an B+ from me. There are certain atmospheric things that I thought were evident in the debate, but I don't really trust my instincts on this given my partisan and ideological filter.

I have a feeling that all this debate does is further entrench the partisans and make it even more difficult to choose for the truly independent. Obama supporters will love his performance. McCain supporters will love his performance. I really thought there was no knockout punch like the Kerry/Bush debates where Bush almost lost the election on a single debate.

Then again, I have my own bias. What will matter is how the polls turn out...and as I understand, polling of undecided voters thus far from Luntz, CBS, etc show a small majority of undecided voters thinking that Obama "won" with a third calling it a draw. And, of course, just because a voter thinks a particular candidate won a debate doesn't mean they'll vote for them.

IMHO, I really don't think this debate will change the fundamentals of the race at this time.

Edit: CNN hand victory to Obama for debate:http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/debate.poll/index.html

[philip]

I didnt watch the debates. I do know that if you have picked a side, in your mind that person won the debate.

I think this time for once we have two really good candidates. I just wish Obama had picked Hillary as I think that may have been unbeatable. Now it is a real horse race.

There is a view that Biden may get ill, and back out of being VP, so that Hillary can step in.

Then it would get really interesting.

[nthfinity]

watched a bit of a rerun

Obama's liberal voting record
In the debate he said this...

"I was voting against Bush" rather then having substance as to why he has the most liberal voting record in the US Senate. Bush is not the "most conservative" by any means... BO was/ is banking on his followers hate of Bush, and voting record to prove as much... is this reason enough to be POTUSA? Obama is still banking on running against Bush rather than running against McCain.

McCain IMHO should've capitalized on that flaw rather then continue on. How can BHO expect to win over independants who want their President to "come across the isle" and leave behind partisan politics?

Maybe in the next debate.

[Mattk]

There are a few things I've noticed about Obama recently.

1. After Palin's nomination, Obama has continually criticised her and her nomination. This is a daft move. He is not running against Palin. He is running against McCain. Leave Biden to figure Palin out. He's lost focus.
2. He looks tired. McCain is still calm and collected, but Obama looks close to losing the plot. He has become vain and jealous. Obama appears to be the kind of politician who wants to be on top and hates losing. Most of these politicians can at least pretend, and most never actually get the chance to be on top. He now lacks to energy to pretend.
3. He's upped the attacks on Bush. This, like the attacks on Palin, are a bad tactical move. Even worse, perhaps. Bush is out. He's finished. Who cares? Bush isn't popular in the first place! He should be focusing more on McCain, rather than trying to conflate McCain with Bush, which is simply incorrect.

I think Obama will be dangerous as a president. He seems incredibly arrogant. Whilst some arrogance is needed in politics (and in most other professions), he is arrogant in a self-centred way. He wants everything to be about him and his own ambition.

In my opinion, Obama will not be elected. Hillary Clinton would have been elected, especially with Obama as VP, but that would have been unrealistic. Even so, that would have ensured 16 years of Democrat rule. Now, I foresee eight more years of Republican presidential rule, even though the Democrats are in firm control of the legislature.

[styla21]

1. After Palin's nomination, Obama has continually criticised her and her nomination. This is a daft move. He is not running against Palin. He is running against McCain. Leave Biden to figure Palin out. He's lost focus. Well, no, he's running against both. It's in Obama's interest to critique, manipulate, and invalidate any arguments that both McCain and Palin, either seperately or collectively present.

2. He looks tired. McCain is still calm and collected, but Obama looks close to losing the plot. He has become vain and jealous. Obama appears to be the kind of politician who wants to be on top and hates losing. Most of these politicians can at least pretend, and most never actually get the chance to be on top. He now lacks to energy to pretend. Vain and jealous? Lacking energy? I dunno mate.. Really?

3. He's upped the attacks on Bush. This, like the attacks on Palin, are a bad tactical move. Even worse, perhaps. Bush is out. He's finished. Who cares? Bush isn't popular in the first place! He should be focusing more on McCain, rather than trying to conflate McCain with Bush, which is simply incorrect. Whether you agree with the rhetoric or not - Obama's strategy is to link Bush's policies with McCain. Using sentiment such as "four more years of bush's policies" and "McCain supported Bush's policies 90% of the time" links the tremendous dissatisfaction of Bush directly with McCain. *I am not commenting on any sides policies and remain impartial, i'm only commenting on perceived political strategy*

[Mattk]

1. Obama is not running against Palin at all. You can't conflate the presidential and vice-presidential candidates. The only other alternative is McCain. Palin is there simply to make McCain more popular.
2. Obama was clearly spooked by Palin's selection. He was upset that someone got more media attention than him.
3. I just think that the strategy doesn't work. McCain is not known to be an ardent supporter of Bush.

[styla21]

3. I just think that the strategy doesn't work. McCain is not known to be an ardent supporter of Bush.

The pollling to-date suggests otherwise ;)
I guess the answer to this question ultimately is not too far away, and we'll find out soon enough! :-)

[Mattk]

I never trust polls. They are somewhat reliable in Australia as I think there is less political diversity, but in the US, there would be whole segments missed out.

[SHIZL]

dont trust the media,think for yourself,come to ur own conclusion

[graywolf624]

Well, no, he's running against both. It's in Obama's interest to critique, manipulate, and invalidate any arguments that both McCain and Palin, either seperately or collectively present.
See yes and no. Obama has been focusing on Palins experience. The issue is, this brings focus on his own relative lack of experience. He says shes a heart beat away from president, but if hes barely more qualified then her and hes being elected president.. well you get the point..

The pollling to-date suggests otherwise
Firstly it depends largely on the poll. Second do I need to remind you who the polls thought would win when bush ran?

[Mattk]

The issue is, this brings focus on his own relative lack of experience.
Exactly. In fact, I'd argue that Palin is considerably more qualified to be president than Obama if we look at experience.

[Spiffu]

This pretty much shows the experience showing up on Palin

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40f_1222465239

If you say you could understand what the hell she was talking about, you are about as blind as a blind follower can get.

[nthfinity]

This pretty much shows the experience showing up on Palin

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40f_1222465239

If you say you could understand what the hell she was talking about, you are about as blind as a blind follower can get.

How, substantively, are you showing us you aren't the same blind man on the opposing side?

[Spiffu]

I can reply to PM's. :-)

[nthfinity]

I can reply to PM's. :-)

Ah, seems your panties are in a bunch. Some people get workloads that are more important, so I'll review that soon. That said; private messages are just that. Private.

Revert to said question:

Substantively, how is it you aren't just a blind follower of rhetoric?

[79TA]

they both didnt answer the real question about the economy crisis and will continue to dodge that because thats one of the focal points for me, as far as the winner there wasnt a clear cut winner for me, me i really dont care about crooks (politicians).

The dissappointing thing is that that is a reoccurring theme in all of the stuff I have watched lately no matter how insightful the experts were.


Sooo, are we trying politics here again? So far so good I guess.

[Spiffu]

Substantively, how is it you aren't just a blind follower of rhetoric?Well you're jumping a few steps, I haven't stated I'm following anything. I am simply posting a video of a woman up for election for vice president of the united states that is babbling incoherent non-sense and I think that if any person that tries to rationalize said non-sense is a "blind follower" of her and her party.

The fact you're getting defensive about this would suggest you are a fan of the woman's party.

[RC45]

duplicate

[RC45]

Why is that Cafferty nutjob allowed to sit and spew party politics on a news show?

He is not a journalists arse.

If he wants to support a particular party he should register as a PAC and get of the television and take his partisan politicing on the road.

I am simply posting a video of a woman up for election for vice president of the united states that is babbling incoherent non-sense and I think that if any person that tries to rationalize said non-sense is a "blind follower" of her and her party.

She was actually trying to reply to Katie's question - a prett stupid quesion in and of itself - what country is going to give 700 billion dollars to tax payers "to shore up the financial markets".

People spending like soccer moms on a credit card binge wont sprevent all the people who over borrowed from going belly up.

The question was an obvious setup.

Her reply tried to cover way to much ground - and it was only a few sentences into her answer she realised that the question was a setup.

[10000rpmlover]

it is amazing to switch channels to see the same story being portrayed as a win by republicans (fox news) then as a win by democrats (CNN) and then some kind of scientology bull (MSNBC)

why in the heck are news networks so biased? I know there are interests at hand but the integrity of the news should not be compromised, so they said Fox ran a poll in which Palin came out as winner, then CNN polls and they get the opposite, MSNBC polls and they get the majority as undecided and then they preach for about an hour about the virtues of the spirit and how it is bad to choose the candidates...

[HeilSvenska]

it is amazing to switch channels to see the same story being portrayed as a win by republicans (fox news) then as a win by democrats (CNN) and then some kind of scientology bull (MSNBC)
^Meh. It sounds like everything is as should be. :laugh:

[gobs3z]

it is amazing to switch channels to see the same story being portrayed as a win by republicans (fox news) then as a win by democrats (CNN) and then some kind of scientology bull (MSNBC)

why in the heck are news networks so biased? I know there are interests at hand but the integrity of the news should not be compromised, so they said Fox ran a poll in which Palin came out as winner, then CNN polls and they get the opposite, MSNBC polls and they get the majority as undecided and then they preach for about an hour about the virtues of the spirit and how it is bad to choose the candidates...

Yeah they're biased in one way or the other, but when there is only one poll saying the opposite as others (FOX) doesn't that give a hint as to which one is obviously more biased than others.

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2299


Who Won VP Debate: A Review of Polls with October 3 pm update
by George Harris
Kansas City Star
Readers Advisory Panel 2008
update October 3 5:15 pm

Two additional polls to report:
Survey USA Biden 51% Palin 32%
Undecided 17%
MediaCurves.com tracked independent voters, showing them breaking to Biden 67% to Palin 33%.
Original report:
Random and non-random polls for the vice presidential debate declare Biden the winner over Palin in the vice-presidential debate.
Non-random (unscientific) polls on AOL and MSNBC web sites show Biden winning 48 to 45 and 78.6 to 18.9 respectively.
Randomly selected subjects on three other polls also show Biden winning:
CNN/Opinion Research Biden 51 Palin 36
CBS Biden 46 Palin 21
Fox Biden 61 Palin 39
In the CBS poll, of the uncommitted voters, 18% now say they will vote Obama/Biden, 10% now say McCain/Palin.
Post-debate reaction seemed to agree that Governor Palin gave a good account of herself in being able to deliver prepared answers, though often not responsive to the question at hand.
Biden was able to draw on extensive experience from his long experience as a Senator.
I was surprised that Palin's charm did not work better than the poll results showed. But she likely was weighed down by Saturday Night Live parodies and interviews earlier in the week with CBS's Couric. By the time of the debate, people knew that she is not ready for the presidency and saw through her efforts to appear that she was with canned responses.
The issue from the Thursday night debate ultimately is not about Palin but about McCain's judgment in selecting someone with so little qualification for national office.
The McCain/Palin ticket will likely drop into attack gear for the remainder of the campaign in a last ditch effort to stop Obama and Biden. I think it's likely to become really ugly but hope that McCain chooses instead to recover some of his dignity as Palin did in a good effort Thursday night.