Why do I gotta tip?

[BigBrother]

Hard to believe there's people that really think it's cool to not tip, but not only does this chic think it's fine to not tip, but she makes a youtube video explaining and justifying her stance in the most retarded way possible.

If you're prone to get angry at dumb people, please don't watch.

YouTube

[RC45]

...and to think that persons vote may determine a countries future ;)

[enzoferrari]

These people sucks BADLY,they are reciving a service!!!Ill love to see this gurl working at a restaurant where tip is not included and people only earn like 4 bucks an hour,Ill love to see her face.:thumbdown:

[jsinaga]

If Im not mistaken most servers at an average chain restaurant make only $2.15 an hour.. or half of minimum wage or something like that.

[BigBrother]

I bet she's a Hyundai driving Obama supporter

[trinitygoth]

I bet she's a Hyundai driving Obama supporter

I'll bet you're an idiot.

[RC45]

I'll bet you're an idiot.

I have a $100 says hes right though ;)

[BigBrother]

I'll bet you're an idiot.


I'll bet you're a Hyundai driving Obama supporter

[CarlZ]

I'll bet you're both very smart lol

[RC45]

I'll bet you're both very smart lol

Hmmm... this would be an interesting bet... I have a $100 that says you're wrong :) hehehe

[CarlZ]

it was sarcasm ;)

[RC45]

it was sarcasm ;)

Which is why I put up the money ;)

[CarlZ]

hmm...actually....can I bet against myself?

[BigBrother]

I'll bet you're both very smart lol --- hmm...actually....can I bet against myself?

One of the indictments of civilizations is that happiness and intelligence are so rarely found in the same person, so be careful not to pwn yourself

[CarlZ]

woow...smart text...pitty it's wrong

[BigBrother]

/win

[CarlZ]

as you wish

[evoWalo]

You only tip if the service is impeccable. People shouldn't whine if they don't get tips. Heck they should be thankful their jobs haven't been outsourced to India.

[BigBrother]

You only tip if the service is impeccable. People shouldn't whine if they don't get tips. Heck they should be thankful their jobs haven't been outsourced to India.

:thumbdown:

[pitfield]

I got some very rude service in America, I didn't tip on those occasions?

If the service is good, I will always drop a nice big tip.

[evoWalo]

:thumbdown:And some wonder why so many citizens have no jobs yet there's a waiting list for immigrant worker and training visas.

[philip]

I tip 15%, 20% if I know the waiter/waitress. When I was younger and more of a cheapscate I only tipped 10%. Most people who used to wait tables tip 20% minimum.

A rich friend always tips 25% minimum. His view is that in the scheme of things, it is a very small amount of money, that goes a very long way to having an enjoyable evening. He is remembered wherever he goes.

Tipping above 25% leads to legends in a restaurant, ("50 on 100", "100 on 200", "100 on 100")

Then there is "tipping with kindness". Where a customer is extra pleasant to the waiter, constantly complementing them on what a great job they are doing, but then stiffs them.

Some races in America generally tip less than others.

In Europe, I still don't know what to do or what is proper.

In America, the tip is so much a part of the waiters wage that the restaurant owner deducts withholding, social security and medicare on at least 15% of the waiter gross sales each day. IRS sets the rate that they must withhold. Some restaurants get a better deal from the IRS than others, leading to unhappiness among employees.

Ususally the waiter has a tip sharing arrangement with the bus help, hostess, manager and bartender. Many times the sharing arrangement is governed by the restaurant owner and automatically deducted from the waiters paycheck as a percentage of gross sales. Large chains have been sued by class actions by former waiters as the manager should be paid by the restaurant only, not by the poor waiters.

Thus if you tip only 10% on your meal, the poor waiter may actually loose money on your order.

I've never waited tables, so if any of this is wrong, please correct me.

Next installment, how waiters and bartenders get big tips at the expense of the restaurant owners.

[79TA]

I'll bet you're an idiot.

So what about his comment would justify your conclusion? Does she look like the typical McCain, Paul, or Nader supporter to you??? Your best bet is the apathetic option. Otherwise, I think BigBrother's argument has a lot of cogency, especially given that she bothers to take the time to post a video about not tipping.



Anyway, if the service is generally good, I just leave about 15%. Since I'm pretty cheap to begin with, that's not a big tip. If I know them or somehow got great service, then I'll leave 20% or so. I don't eat out that much though, so leaving a larger tip isn't as big of a deal.

[HeilSvenska]

Yeah... She's pretty dumb. My tips are usually proportional to how good the service was, but it's never below 10%. That's just being cheap. Tipping's such a big part of the way society works that I'm surprised to see anyone refuses to tip.

Ususally the waiter has a tip sharing arrangement with the bus help, hostess, manager and bartender. Many times the sharing arrangement is governed by the restaurant owner and automatically deducted from the waiters paycheck as a percentage of gross sales. Large chains have been sued by class actions by former waiters as the manager should be paid by the restaurant only, not by the poor waiters.

Yeah. I had a talk with a friend who was (is?) a waitres and she told me about sharing her tips with the greeters who sit customers at the tables. They have such monetary connections that they just have to work together well enough to get most tip possible, otherwise they "lose" a lot of money. It's just how it works, and it's, usually by default, a large portion of a waiter/waitress' salary. It applies to same with pizza delivery people, I believe.

[trinitygoth]

Phillip,
That sounds like a good summary of the occasionally complicated art of tipping in the US. Personally I'm a 20%'er as I used to own a restaurant and couldn't have survived without the tips my employees received. I'm always nice to my servers and can count on one hand the number of times I received poor service.
I'm not sure of the way the IRS accounts for tips. I know it used to be that direct withholding used to only apply to tips received via credit and the server was on the hook for the rest, but I think that may have now changed.
As far as the woman in the video, she is clearly an idiot and hopefully people will give her enough crap to "inspire" her to stop being a social parasite.

[trinitygoth]

As for BigBrother up there, how about we compare highlights from past posts:

Me - http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showpost.php?p=847247&postcount=66
(Your facts are indeed spot on. Yes Georgia attacked first violating a cease fire they had called themselves, and yes civilians and Russian soldiers were in all probability killed in that attack. However, S. Ossetia is considered sovereign Georgia by all the world but Russia and it has generally been accepted that sovereign states have the right and in some circumstance the obligation, to eliminate hostile active armed resistance within their borders. Now make no mistake, I think war is always a failure of leadership and diplomacy, but it does happen and given the circumstances I think this one was not totally unreasonable, albeit blunderous and unnecessary. As far as Russias motivation for their actions, I think the idea that this was in some way a reprimand for killing innocent civilians and soldiers and further protecting innocent civilians, is charitable at best. Clearly Russia was never a neutral party in this conflict and many of the previous skirmishes are said to have included Russian arms and in some cases Russian forces. It seems clear to me that Russia manipulated the circumstances to try and eliminate a strategic threat on their border. Not to mention, Russia doesn't have the best record in the "protecting innocent civilians" department. I think the label of aggressor in entirely valid here as any proportionate response was exceeded in the first 24 hours. I am glad that Russia has finally said they are stopping their offensive, but now the interesting questions begin. Will they stay? Will they promote further conflict within the interior "justifying" further action? Will the US respond by increasing arms sales to Georgia to "protect" from future violations of sovereignty? All to be decided, but at least the innocent civilians aren't dying quite so quickly.)

BigBrother - http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showpost.php?p=850037&postcount=1
(Ok, I'll admit it. I really want to watch this.(Fast & Furious trailer) I'll also admit, I liked the first one. The second one was meh and the 3rd one I watched because, well I started to like drifting. Too many near misses to continue doing drifting for me. Though I will occasionally take a u turn and peal out.)

Yeah you're a freakin' Einstein alright.

"One of the indictments of civilizations is that happiness and intelligence are so rarely found in the same person, so be careful not to pwn yourself"

Let me guess Chinese for lunch today.

So you are trying to indict all civilizations, from a fortune cookie? Anarchy is you're desired social system. Ahh the hits keep getting better.

In answer to your original ignorant and borderline racist comment, You bet your A$$ I'm an Obama supporter and if you aren't then the argument about you're idiocy is most elegantly put to rest. To suggest that the Republican party has any benevolent role to play in the continued existence of American representative democracy is to reveal a complete ignorance of history, economics, ethics and political reality. If this country fails to support the extraordinary leadership presented by Barak Obama and instead chooses the arrogant and nihilistic philosophy of McCain then our precious little experiment will likely find it's end and that would be an unbridled catastrophe.
I was once more open minded about the republican party; small government, balanced budgets and strong defense but the modern iteration of the Republican party has but one aim. To make money for wealthy parasites. Their racist, religo-facist, homophobic, ignorance celebrating "party platform" is really only cover for very wealthy people who make money in duplicitous ways to maintain and expand their wealth. What annoys me is that morons like yourself eat it up. FOX News broadcasts propaganda 24/7 about how the ACLU is the enemy and all democrats are morally bankrupt child eaters, and you believe it over what you see day to day in your own life. At least if you are worth ten or twenty million you have reason to be a McCain monkey, but you sell the sacrifices made for you by your ancestors cheaply and that's disgraceful.

As for what I drive, it's an S55. I'm guessing you drive a Kia. Bitter rivalry, the Hyundai vs. Kia one.

[HeilSvenska]

Oh jeez. This thread is ready for closure in 5, 4, 3, 2...

[79TA]

So back to my question . . . do you accept that she is likely an Obama supporter as well? :laugh:

[HeilSvenska]

^It's very much likely. It's just how it is. Numbers are numbers.

[trinitygoth]

79TA
So what about his comment would justify your conclusion? Does she look like the typical McCain, Paul, or Nader supporter to you??? Your best bet is the apathetic option. Otherwise, I think BigBrother's argument has a lot of cogency, especially given that she bothers to take the time to post a video about not tipping.

Cogent argument? There is no argument. This is a ham-fisted attempt to indict all Obama supporters as arrogant social parasites. Oh and I guess Hyundai drivers too, but I think that has more to do with his Kia being in the shop and his humiliation in his auto purchase. Is she an Obama supporter? Is she a McCain supporter? I would be surprised if she is aware of her right to vote.

[HeilSvenska]

Maybe we do want a political discussion thread eventually, to vent some steam. But it spilled over to other forums the last time. Maybe if the admins started banning offenders like swatting flies, maybe we can make it work?

[79TA]

There is a conclusion with very likely justification, even if he didn't bother to do any himself. I'm not big brother, but I don't think either of us can say it was an attempt to paint all Obama supporters that way; rather pointing out that some of them might be that way is funny enough as is. The only one who seems to make such absolute statements here is you.

She's an angry person who bothers to post things on the internet. I wouldn't doubt that she gets a similar amount of emotional response from a casual following of political soundbites. She undoubtedly has plenty of chances to access such news given that she posts videos herself.

Like I said, your best bet was the apathy/non-voter option. I contend that given her agro tendencies, she is, unfortunately, politically aware to some extent. If you accept that premise, although I doubt you do, it is most likely that she would be an Obama supporter. Any political party has supporters that it ought not be proud of (although they don't mind the votes in the final count), so don't make such absolutist conclusions.

[BigBrother]

does anyone like trinitygoth? What a troll.

The old heiny hairs are wound just a little too tight on that guy.

[79TA]

I was defending you, but calling names isn't doing you any favors. Atleast throw in some justification next time.

[BigBrother]

It's cool,

I was just trying to be funny because I'm a new member ... I didn't expect such a response

[HeilSvenska]

Use a smiley more often. I learned that the hard way. But anyways, a joke can go a long way and can offend someone, especially if it has a political subcontext, which is a no-no. We do sometimes go out of our way to sound offensive, but we usually make it obvious that we're joking, and we never do that about politics. So no more of those.

[BigBrother]

Noted :-)

[79TA]

heh, just to clarify, my last comment was in reference to your comment just before that, not the initial ones . . . which (minus the Hyundia part that was kinda funny) were spot on. So, is he right about you driving a Kia? ;-)


Oh, I do find smileys annoying when the wording itself seems to be purposely offensive and then the writer thinks tacking on a smiley will somehow make it all ok.

[BigBrother]

Nope - I drive an e60, Cuda and trinity's sister

[RC45]

In answer to your original ignorant and borderline racist comment, You bet your A$$ I'm an Obama supporter and if you aren't then the argument about you're idiocy is most elegantly put to rest. To suggest that the Republican party has any benevolent role to play in the continued existence of American representative democracy is to reveal a complete ignorance of history, economics, ethics and political reality. If this country fails to support the extraordinary leadership presented by Barak Obama and instead chooses the arrogant and nihilistic philosophy of McCain then our precious little experiment will likely find it's end and that would be an unbridled catastrophe.
I was once more open minded about the republican party; small government, balanced budgets and strong defense but the modern iteration of the Republican party has but one aim. To make money for wealthy parasites. Their racist, religo-facist, homophobic, ignorance celebrating "party platform" is really only cover for very wealthy people who make money in duplicitous ways to maintain and expand their wealth. What annoys me is that morons like yourself eat it up. FOX News broadcasts propaganda 24/7 about how the ACLU is the enemy and all democrats are morally bankrupt child eaters, and you believe it over what you see day to day in your own life. At least if you are worth ten or twenty million you have reason to be a McCain monkey, but you sell the sacrifices made for you by your ancestors cheaply and that's disgraceful.

Wow - you seem pretty bitter about something - and it all seems to be directed towards "the man".

Why would you assume that only rascists do not support obama?


As for what I drive, it's an S55. I'm guessing you drive a Kia. Bitter rivalry, the Hyundai vs. Kia one.

It would seem wealth, money and material possessions play a big part in your life - how are you going to reconcile that with your socialist party?

Is she an Obama supporter? Is she a McCain supporter? I would be surprised if she is aware of her right to vote.

Now that's a pretty racist comment - I mean the insinuation is that she's not aware "her people" may vote ;)

[trinitygoth]

Nope - I drive an e60, Cuda and trinity's sister


My sisters name is Daisy.

[HeilSvenska]

Nope - I drive an e60, Cuda and trinity's sister
:niet:

[RC45]

My sisters name is Daisy.

So drive boy, drive

I wonder, might your democratic party membership be out of guilt for the sins of your fathers?

(I bet you thought that post slipped by unnoticed.. ;))

[HeilSvenska]

Oooh. I want to hear this.

[RC45]

Oooh. I want to hear this.

You didnt see the unedited addendum in the original Miss Daisy post - hehehe - I did, and figured it might get edited :P

[trinitygoth]

I wonder, might your democratic party membership be out of guilt for the sins of your fathers?

(I bet you thought that post slipped by unnoticed.. ;))


RC45 are you sure you want to do this?

[Pokiou]

Paul man your a friggen troll magnet man. LOL where the fudge did all these random tool come from.

[79TA]

It would seem wealth, money and material possessions play a big part in your life - how are you going to reconcile that with your socialist party?



Buying carbon credits and throwing/attending awareness concerts are pretty popular options right now.

[RC45]

RC45 are you sure you want to do this?

Do what?

Catch you with your hand in the cookie jar?

You just got through chastising someone for a "racist" comment, then followed it up with a direct racist refernce?

Are you this brasen because you are person of colour and have something to prove, or just because you feel like coming to Motorworld and causing shite?

Either way, I am sure you would rather just put all this political discussion aside and get back to discussing cars.

Right?

Paul man your a friggen troll magnet man. LOL where the fudge did all these random tool come from.

Same place they got all those JDM's... they mass produce them these days ;) :P hehe

[Pokiou]

screw you homeboy im kicka ya arse.. :P
BTW on aserious note. want to sell me your Iphone ???

[RC45]

screw you homeboy im kicka ya arse.. :P
BTW on aserious note. want to sell me your Iphone ???

WTF? So you are the asshat thats been crank calling me.... ;)

[trinitygoth]

RC45,
I'm sorry. I shouldn't question you. You are clearly a man of great courage, consideration and integrity. You're obviously not a racist scumbag that only has the courage to spew his worthless musings about his fantasy aryan world at 10.6 posts per day in a forum devoted to Motorsport.

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showpost.php?p=837928&postcount=3
Its pretty telling that the "gang" is pretty cosmopolitan... by last name it looks like a Messikan, 2 Pakis and a Honky.... what happened?? They couldn't find their other "brutha" Snoop before they left on their "video game" rampage?

I don't know what I'm thinking by suggesting racism is the last bastion of the weakest link. That only those with limited intellect and delusions of grandeur might find solace in thinking others may care about their little heinnies being pounded by daddy.

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showpost.php?p=838418&postcount=24
You know why? Because I receieved a thrashing on my backside amd it was painful enough to leave an impression.

Why it surely couldn't be that perhaps that pounding taught a lesson not of respect, but that dad was a mean SOB and that you were powerless against him and the rest of the world. That this feeling of powerlessness might later lead to a lack of confidence in school and later bitterness about your failure to get what you considered a good job. It surely isn't your laziness and ignorance that is the cause of your misery but that black people and illegal immigrants were omniscient forces playing the Wizard or Oz with your life. I doubt you consider that during a daily commute in a "4 cylinder Ford Contour". I'm glad to see you've eschewed material goods in a quest for a higher understanding of your fellow man. I understand about the Vette, it's a trailer park zen thing right?

Yes I am greatful to finally have a leader with the courage and insight to claim from the highest rooftop, I know the answer to crime, I know the reason for GM's low share price, and I know how to let oil rigs ring with profit. Yes you have created a wonderful, god fearin', gun totin', people hatin', child beatin', deluded and bitter little life down there in the greatest dust bowl in the world and I want a piece. I do hope you're raising some little Hitler's in the trailer park and that you won't spoil them. Yes, yes, don't spoil them that would be no fun. Would it?

Thanks from a recovering liberal enviro-idiot.;-)

[SHIZL]

she is an idiot and doesent know whats going on outside of her world enough to know who to support.
dont go to sit down retaurants if you dont tip but at the same time it shouldnt be expected it should be earned by the server if its normal 15% good 20% and if shes hot 25% haha

[Pokiou]

WTF? So you are the asshat thats been crank calling me.... ;)

No not me man.. that aint me.. i just wanna buy a iphone thats all i heard you had one. Wanna sell it to me ?

[RC45]

RC45,
I'm sorry. I shouldn't question you. You are clearly a man of great courage, consideration and integrity. You're obviously not a racist scumbag that only has the courage to spew his worthless musings about his fantasy aryan world at 10.6 posts per day in a forum devoted to Motorsport.

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showpost.php?p=837928&postcount=3
Its pretty telling that the "gang" is pretty cosmopolitan... by last name it looks like a Messikan, 2 Pakis and a Honky.... what happened?? They couldn't find their other "brutha" Snoop before they left on their "video game" rampage?

I don't know what I'm thinking by suggesting racism is the last bastion of the weakest link. That only those with limited intellect and delusions of grandeur might find solace in thinking others may care about their little heinnies being pounded by daddy.

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showpost.php?p=838418&postcount=24
You know why? Because I receieved a thrashing on my backside amd it was painful enough to leave an impression.

Why it surely couldn't be that perhaps that pounding taught a lesson not of respect, but that dad was a mean SOB and that you were powerless against him and the rest of the world. That this feeling of powerlessness might later lead to a lack of confidence in school and later bitterness about your failure to get what you considered a good job. It surely isn't your laziness and ignorance that is the cause of your misery but that black people and illegal immigrants were omniscient forces playing the Wizard or Oz with your life. I doubt you consider that during a daily commute in a "4 cylinder Ford Contour". I'm glad to see you've eschewed material goods in a quest for a higher understanding of your fellow man. I understand about the Vette, it's a trailer park zen thing right?

Yes I am greatful to finally have a leader with the courage and insight to claim from the highest rooftop, I know the answer to crime, I know the reason for GM's low share price, and I know how to let oil rigs ring with profit. Yes you have created a wonderful, god fearin', gun totin', people hatin', child beatin', deluded and bitter little life down there in the greatest dust bowl in the world and I want a piece. I do hope you're raising some little Hitler's in the trailer park and that you won't spoil them. Yes, yes, don't spoil them that would be no fun. Would it?

Thanks from a recovering liberal enviro-idiot.;-)

So you are able to use the search function. But are evidently still not able to read with comprehension.

So far all you have proven is you are the bitter one.

In pretty much every post you have made so far you have hinted at your own wealth, stature, material possessions and apparent self-importance and grandeur.

You have painted yourself as a stereotypical liberal. Well done - I am surprised you are not sittign in a motel room outside the DNC making these posts in your post-obama-speech glow.

[SHIZL]

somebody needs to start a american presidential candidate post for this

[dutchmasterflex]

bmw06m6?

[RC45]

somebody needs to start a american presidential candidate post for this

No - we just need our new liberal friend to get a clue we dont give a rats ass about his political spewings and don't really discuss them - especially when they are filled with personal insults ;)

I am guessing if he gets a 2 week ban to cool his heels off he will come back a better behaved individual.

[SinRS]

Tipping is easy for you who are used to it. When the service fee is included in the bill already and prices in general you don't need to tip. I find it a bit or problem when travelling to know when to tip and when not.
I usually tip when travelling abroad but not when I know that it's not usually done.

[RC45]

screw you homeboy im kicka ya arse.. :P
BTW on aserious note. want to sell me your Iphone ???

You cant by iPhones in Aus?

[Pokiou]

yea but on a plan and 900bucks out right .. screw that shizzle.

[RC45]

Did you look on ebay for a used iPhone?

[Pokiou]

still to much man... how much are they in the states. I got isaac onto it also but you might know to :P

[HeilSvenska]

iPhones are tools of the Devil. ;-)

[Pokiou]

well your the Devils Tool.. lol :P

[SnailGoo]

We have created this ourselves by mandating that stupid people be protected from themselves at All costs. Keep in mind that now they're even easier to spot, so we've got that going for us anyway. ;-)

[philip]

bmw06m6?

Where is he.

Was my post totally edited out?:ohmy:

[Pokiou]

Where is he.

Was my post totally edited out?:ohmy:

DO NOT say that name here. its TABOO.

[HeilSvenska]

Not taboo. It just brings back rather funny memories. Irrelevant, annoying, but funny memories. His "enthusiasm" for Ron Paul spilled over everywhere. That's why we don't have a political section anymore. Well, he wasn't the only one, of course, but it's nice to have a scapegoat. ;-)

[nthfinity]

Where is he.

Was my post totally edited out?:ohmy:
Not that I know of. Too bad I overlooked this thread all day... didn't seem interesting. Now I've got to prune it to relevant BS.

[RC45]

Not that I know of. Too bad I overlooked this thread all day... didn't seem interesting. Now I've got to prune it to relevant BS.

Dont bother pruning, just do us all a favour and do some banning.

[nthfinity]

trinitygoth is receiving a life-long ban for directly insulting three members in one thread. I see no reason to let this one go on. Not an ideal way to "begin" in such a diverse community where so many of us have specific common ground.

Tip people who wage on tips, unless they really ruin an order. Tranee's not withstanding.