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pagani
07-27-2008, 05:39 PM
Darin's Supra E85 Street Driving good for about 800 whp
Darin's Supra E85 Street Driving - YouTube
:-):thumbup:
I call Bullshit on that being "an 8 second car".
Where is the full roll cage that would be required by any drag strip that he took taht car to?
It an "8s on paper" car ;)
5vz-fe
07-27-2008, 05:58 PM
I hope he won't run over to on coming traffic one day and kill some innocent ppl
Strop
07-27-2008, 07:47 PM
Yeah definitely not an 8 sec. car..... could be, with that engine.....
OK.. I went and had a hunt around the Itardwebs....
Just as I thought.. the car can be set up to run 8.55 @ 171mph. But the form it was being "cruised on the streets" it is barely a 10s 145mph car.
I wish people would put things into perspective. TO me, "street crusing with an 8.55s car" means you are driving around in the car the way it was setup when it ran the 8.55s ;)
Like you can with a Veyron or Enzo or CGT or Macca F1 etc. Those cars are all "legitie" drag strip time" cars ;)
Darin's Supra 6 speed record - YouTube
pagani
07-28-2008, 02:02 PM
OK.. I went and had a hunt around the Itardwebs....
Just as I thought.. the car can be set up to run 8.55 @ 171mph. But the form it was being "cruised on the streets" it is barely a 10s 145mph car.
I wish people would put things into perspective. TO me, "street crusing with an 8.55s car" means you are driving around in the car the way it was setup when it ran the 8.55s ;)
Like you can with a Veyron or Enzo or CGT or Macca F1 etc. Those cars are all "legitie" drag strip time" cars ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2a1dXiCbOw
It's a min 8 second car one the 1/4 mile
And in the first video he just in street spec not a race tune.
I never said it runs his race tune on street that would be pointless.
:-):thumbup:
Darin's Supra 8 sec street car testing - YouTube
Here is a supra in race tune pretty insane for the street.
YouTube
It's a min 8 second car one the 1/4 mile
And in the first video he just in street spec not a race tune.
I never said it runs his race tune on street that would be pointless.
No that IS the point.
All these yahoos claiming "8s street car" etc.
Its bullchitz is what it is.
It is a 12s street car and an 8.5s RACE car.
That is the reality.
This is where I give the Veuron and Saleen and Enzo props - they ARE 10s or 11s street cars - as they run those times in STREET trim.
No traction and pump gas does NOT equal to 800rwhp and 8.55s for that Supra.
Its a video of a street car with no traction - tahst all that video shows.
pagani
07-28-2008, 02:58 PM
No that IS the point.
All these yahoos claiming "8s street car" etc.
Its bullchitz is what it is.
It is a 12s street car and an 8.5s RACE car.
That is the reality.
This is where I give the Veuron and Saleen and Enzo props - they ARE 10s or 11s street cars - as they run those times in STREET trim.
No traction and pump gas does NOT equal to 800rwhp and 8.55s for that Supra.
Its a video of a street car with no traction - tahst all that video shows.
Ok agree whit you but when it's in race tune it's a mid 8 second car.
I think it could do low or high 9 second pass on street tune.
:-)
Ok agree whit you but when it's in race tune it's a mid 8 second car.
I think it could do low or high 9 second pass on street tune.
:-)
How do you figure that?
Those 1/4 mile times are a fucntion of traction more than anything else.
That car with street tyres would be lucky to run a 12s 1/4 mile. Trap speed might be about 140mph (which is fast) but without traciton there is no way in hell thatcar is going to run 9s or 10s.
pagani
07-28-2008, 03:49 PM
How do you figure that?
Those 1/4 mile times are a fucntion of traction more than anything else.
That car with street tyres would be lucky to run a 12s 1/4 mile. Trap speed might be about 140mph (which is fast) but without traciton there is no way in hell thatcar is going to run 9s or 10s.
He could run drag radials.
That would be a 9 second pass on the strip.
It's has been with done supra's before.
Full weight stock interior stock rearend stock 6 speed gearbox.
Example's
BIG TURBO TOYOTA SUPRA VS EVO IX - YouTube
World's Fastest Street Supra - YouTube
1994 Supra 6-Speed 71GTQ 1/4 Mile - YouTube
10.39 @ 131 single turbo supra - new setup - YouTube
Jessica Barton Video of her at the dragstrip - YouTube
Jessica Barton's Supra - YouTube
So you see rc45 everything is possible whit a supra.
He could run drag radials.
That would be a 9 second pass on the strip.
It's has been with done supra's before.
Full weight stock interior stock rearend stock 6 speed gearbox.
[snip]
So you see rc45 everything is possible whit a supra.
If he runs drag radials it is no longer in STREET trim.
That is the point.
When a Veyron rolls up and runs a 10s 1/4 mile, it is doing so in EXCATLY the same setup it used to drive there.
WHne an 8s Viper or Supra or Vette does so it has tp change tyres, change fuel and sometimes even lose sway bars etc.
It doest matter what anyone says - those are NOT street car runs - they are RACE PREPPED runs.
A street car run is running the car as it is always driven ON the street ;)
My car is a 1m50s MSR lapper... in TRACK setup... in STREET setup, the car would struggle to lap at 1m58s.
That is the point that all these "street car recond" videos miss - totally.
But they seem to make good TV for the fanboys all over ;)
pagani
07-28-2008, 05:01 PM
If he runs drag radials it is no longer in STREET trim.
That is the point.
When a Veyron rolls up and runs a 10s 1/4 mile, it is doing so in EXCATLY the same setup it used to drive there.
WHne an 8s Viper or Supra or Vette does so it has tp change tyres, change fuel and sometimes even lose sway bars etc.
It doest matter what anyone says - those are NOT street car runs - they are RACE PREPPED runs.
A street car run is running the car as it is always driven ON the street ;)
My car is a 1m50s MSR lapper... in TRACK setup... in STREET setup, the car would struggle to lap at 1m58s.
That is the point that all these "street car recond" videos miss - totally.
But they seem to make good TV for the fanboys all over ;)
They are street cars whit modded engines whit full interior full weight no aero mods just the bacic shape they come whit.
A drag radial is a street legal tire period just like semi slicks some drive whit those tires on the street.
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/overview/g-force-t-a-drag-radial/1161.html
We are talking dragracing here not road course stuff
That is a diffrent matter.
They are street cars whit modded engines whit full interior full weight no aero mods just the bacic shape they come whit.
A drag radial is a street legal tire period just like semi slicks some drive whit those tires on the street.
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/overview/g-force-t-a-drag-radial/1161.html
We are talking dragracing here not road course stuff
That is a diffrent matter.
No it is NOT different it is the same.
WHy do you think yo uneed to eductae me about drag radials, racing or cars in general? I do know all this already.
But I am sorry, i fyou have to CHANGE your tyres to DRAG RADIALS (even DOT tyres) to make your "record breaking run" then the car is NOT STREET STOCK.
It is RACE modified.
That is the point.
Have you ever seen a DOT drag radila tyre in real life? Or better yet, tried to drive one everyday on the street? Trust me, a DOT Drag Radial is NOT an everyday street tyre - therefore a DO drag radial equipped car is no longer STREET STOCK.
Thatis the point of a "10s street car" - the car need to be AS IT DRIVES on the STREET, not "tweaked or changed or setup or tuned" - just drive to the strip, set a time and drive home.
Like a Veyron as an example - not like a "10s Viper with drag radials".
People seemd to feel the need to justify their "street car" - no shame in admitting it needs to be changed to run fast, just be honest.
So, that Supra is NOT an "8.55s street car" - it would be lucky to be an 11s or 12s street car without some serious non-daily-driver tyres.
Again, dont kid yourself, people who say they "daily drive" with semi-slicks are full of shit. I knwo, I have semi-slicks on my car, and they are almost impossible to use in the rain on the street. So whenI have them on my car, it is not really a street car anymore.
This is just the reality of it all.
These cars are fast, no one is denying that this kids Supra is not fast, it is just not fast in the trim the popular fans of the car want to admit.
:)
pagani
07-28-2008, 06:04 PM
No it is NOT different it is the same.
WHy do you think yo uneed to eductae me about drag radials, racing or cars in general? I do know all this already.
But I am sorry, i fyou have to CHANGE your tyres to DRAG RADIALS (even DOT tyres) to make your "record breaking run" then the car is NOT STREET STOCK.
It is RACE modified.
That is the point.
Have you ever seen a DOT drag radila tyre in real life? Or better yet, tried to drive one everyday on the street? Trust me, a DOT Drag Radial is NOT an everyday street tyre - therefore a DO drag radial equipped car is no longer STREET STOCK.
Thatis the point of a "10s street car" - the car need to be AS IT DRIVES on the STREET, not "tweaked or changed or setup or tuned" - just drive to the strip, set a time and drive home.
Like a Veyron as an example - not like a "10s Viper with drag radials".
People seemd to feel the need to justify their "street car" - no shame in admitting it needs to be changed to run fast, just be honest.
So, that Supra is NOT an "8.55s street car" - it would be lucky to be an 11s or 12s street car without some serious non-daily-driver tyres.
Again, dont kid yourself, people who say they "daily drive" with semi-slicks are full of shit. I knwo, I have semi-slicks on my car, and they are almost impossible to use in the rain on the street. So whenI have them on my car, it is not really a street car anymore.
This is just the reality of it all.
These cars are fast, no one is denying that this kids Supra is not fast, it is just not fast in the trim the popular fans of the car want to admit.
:)
A street tire is a street tire we are not talking about if would be a great to drive on a road it's says it's street that it's street legal end of story.
It's a street car whit a hot engine not even a race engine.
A real race engine would never be driven on the street i would have bad idle and would be illegal to drive on the street.
You are wrong i am right.
Just accept it
A street tire is a street tire we are not talking about if would be a great to drive on a road it's says it's street that it's street legal end of story.
It's a street car whit a hot engine not even a race engine.
A real race engine would never be driven on the street i would have bad idle and whit be illegal to drive on the street.
No - we are talking about a tyre that is probably ONLY legal for use on the street in the USA, and if you were to have accident with that tyre you would probably get a citation for running a tyre with less than legal tread depth.
That is the point. This tyre only exists so people can enter their car sin the "street legal" class at the drag strip and have an advantage over the people with proper real street tyres.
And that engine is anything but a "hot street" engine. You hinestly think that Supra is 100% emmissions legal and factory stock excpet for some "boost and tuning"?
FAce it - the guys car is not an "8.55s street" car - it is an "8.55s capable when setup for race" car :)
Don;t worry, I have the exact same beef with the 9s street Vipers and Vettes and Porsche etc....
They are NOT street cars, they may sometimes be used as street cars, with different tyres, fuel and setup than when they run 9s, and need to be once again changed back to their race setup to run those speeds.
Again, an 8.55s street car would be the car that drives there, does the run and then drives back in the same setup it always uses for daily driving. ;)
pagani
07-28-2008, 06:30 PM
No - we are talking about a tyre that is probably ONLY legal for use on the street in the USA, and if you were to have accident with that tyre you would probably get a citation for running a tyre with less than legal tread depth.
That is the point. This tyre only exists so people can enter their car sin the "street legal" class at the drag strip and have an advantage over the people with proper real street tyres.
And that engine is anything but a "hot street" engine. You hinestly think that Supra is 100% emmissions legal and factory stock excpet for some "boost and tuning"?
FAce it - the guys car is not an "8.55s street" car - it is an "8.55s capable when setup for race" car :)
Don;t worry, I have the exact same beef with the 9s street Vipers and Vettes and Porsche etc....
They are NOT street cars, they may sometimes be used as street cars, with different tyres, fuel and setup than when they run 9s, and need to be once again changed back to their race setup to run those speeds.
Again, an 8.55s street car would be the car that drives there, does the run and then drives back in the same setup it always uses for daily driving. ;)
Ok not many people run their racetune on the street.
And with normal road tires you can drive it on the street.
Btw the other car i posted is a real streetcar
Ok not many people run their racetune on the street.
And would normal road tires you cab drive it on the street.
And in that setup the car is not an 8.55s car - it is maybe an 11s or 12s car - since it has no traction ;)
And it still would be slower than a stock Veyron... :P
philip
07-28-2008, 06:34 PM
Wish I had a Supra. I'd be satisfied with the stock 1/4 mile time. These cars never became "used cars" you could pick up for a song. 12 fast as I have been, cant even imagine a 10 or an 8.
pagani
07-28-2008, 06:35 PM
And in that setup the car is not an 8.55s car - it is maybe an 11s or 12s car - since it has no traction ;)
And it still would be slower than a stock Veyron... :P
Lets puth both cars in race mode and see what happens.
And supra's are faster in the standing mile than the veyron.
They also sound better
pagani
07-28-2008, 06:38 PM
Wish I had a Supra. I'd be satisfied with the stock 1/4 mile time. These cars never became "used cars" you could pick up for a song. 12 fast as I have been, cant even imagine a 10 or an 8.
They can hold their own to on a road course to.
Road spec toyota supra turbo
YouTube
Btw the still pretty old cars from 90's and they are still kicking i think it's the japanese/hotrod/muscle car.
PaulGT2164
07-28-2008, 06:57 PM
its a supra post, you guys should know what RC is going to do ;)
haha.
badass car on the street or strip.....
pagani
07-28-2008, 07:03 PM
its a supra post, you guys should know what RC is going to do ;)
haha.
badass car on the street or strip.....
Why did you think i posted it here?
Anway i think this would be more race car than road car than the supra.
Porsche 9FF GT9 driven - by autocar.co.uk - YouTube
Do you agree whit this rc45?
Lets puth both cars in race mode and see what happens.
And supra's are faster in the standing mile than the veyron.
They also sound better
No - highly tuned and modded Supras are faster than a STOCK Veyron in the standing mile.
If someone suned and modded their Veyron with the same effort needed for a Supra to run either an 8.55s 1/4 or a 220mph standing mile, then the story would read "Modded Supra loses to Modded Veyron" not "Stock Veyron loses to Modded Supra" :)
its a supra post, you guys should know what RC is going to do ;)
haha.
badass car on the street or strip.....
I have already pointed out that I have the same opinion of "9s street Vipers and Vettes" - and that is that the cars are no where near street trim to run these times... they are in race trim when they set these records. (and yes, it is just an opinion... you guys ar emore than welcome to have your own ;))
Special tyres, special tune and special fuel - hardly "street driver form" - sure, they are "street legal" by NHRA standards, but not in "street driven" trim.
They can hold their own to on a road course to.
Road spec toyota supra turbo
[snip]
Btw the still pretty old cars from 90's and they are still kicking i think it's the japanese/hotrod/muscle car.
Hehe - again, a "One Lap" prepper car is far from "street driven" spec.
This is just as absurd as if I post a video of a killer lap in my car claiming "STreet Spec" C5 laps in record speed.
No, its a highly modded car with track specific tyres and brakes and suspension setup (even though the One Lap requires I believe 100+ rated tyres, thus making the Sport Cups illegal) the really fast One Lap cars are nto exactly in "daily driver" setup.
Just face it, to eb really fast on the drag strip or road course requires non-daily driver friendly compromises.
And I never said any of these cars ar enot fast 0 they are, they are awesoem, they are amazing, they are super duper -- I just wish people would stop representing them as if they are "daily driver street spec" - becaus ehtey are not ;)
Why did you think i posted it here?
Anway i think this would be more race car than road car than the supra.
Do you agree whit this rc45?
No, they are both street legal cars with race orientated setups, and street orientated setups.
The 9ff car is the same as a tner Supra setup for the standing mile - not really daily driver in record setting form.
pagani
07-28-2008, 07:42 PM
No - highly tuned and modded Supras are faster than a STOCK Veyron in the standing mile.
If someone suned and modded their Veyron with the same effort needed for a Supra to run either an 8.55s 1/4 or a 220mph standing mile, then the story would read "Modded Supra loses to Modded Veyron" not "Stock Veyron loses to Modded Supra" :)
I have already pointed out that I have the same opinion of "9s street Vipers and Vettes" - and that is that the cars are no where near street trim to run these times... they are in race trim when they set these records.
Special tyres, special tune and special fuel - hardly "street driver form" - sure, they are "street legal" by NHRA standards, but not in "street driven" trim.
Hehe - again, a "One Lap" prepper car is far from "street driven" spec.
This is just as absurd as if I post a video of a killer lap in my car claiming "STreet Spec" C5 laps in record speed.
No, its a highly modded car with track specific tyres and brakes and suspension setup (even though the One Lap requires I believe 100+ rated tyres, thus making the Sport Cups illegal) the really fast One Lap cars are nto exactly in "daily driver" setup.
Just face it, to eb really fast on the drag strip or road course requires non-daily driver friendly compromises.
And I never said any of these cars ar enot fast 0 they are, they are awesoem, they are amazing, they are super duper -- I just wish people would stop representing them as if they are "daily driver street spec" - becaus ehtey are not ;)
No, they are both street legal cars with race orientated setups, and street orientated setups.
The 9ff car is the same as a tner Supra setup for the standing mile - not really daily driver in record setting form.
A supra did go 230 in the standing mile this year so it can beat a veyron at that.
What did the veyron do?
I hope their be will veyron at next times texas mile event.
A supra did go 230 in the standing mile this year so it can beat a veyron at that.
What did the veyron do?
I hope their be will veyron at next times texas mile event.
?
You think I dont know - there is a 230mph Supra in the tuning shop less than 2 miles form the site I am sitting at right now.
The point is a MODDED Supra "beat" the STOCK Veyron in the standing mile. A MODDED car that was not really in "daily driver" trim. Possibly not even street legal.
Whew - I guess the gist of my enitre response passed you bye.
*shrug*
pagani
07-28-2008, 08:40 PM
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You think I dont know - there is a 230mph Supra in the tuning shop less than 2 miles form the site I am sitting at right now.
The point is a MODDED Supra "beat" the STOCK Veyron in the standing mile. A MODDED car that was not really in "daily driver" trim. Possibly not even street legal.
Whew - I guess the gist of my enitre response passed you bye.
*shrug*
Maby it's in kill mode but it's still quicker than the veryon in the standing mile
Maby it's in kill mode but it's still quicker than the veryon in the standing mile
And your point?
It is a highly modded car.
This discussion was about what constitutes "street legal" vs "street driven" and whether or not a speed/record achieved when the car is in RACE trim is really a STREET car record/speed.
*shrug*
I guess it has more to do with how honest these tuner car people are.
I have no dillusions, my car is a streetable race-prepped street car, and any and all achievements it does are by virtue of all the RACE mods, not the STREET nature of any o the stock bits left.
Much like any of the modded cars you posted about, the may "look" stock and be somewhat streetable, but they all make concessions to get the speed/performance they do, and at the extreme, they abandon some of the "street setup" just to get the "record/s[eed" then they go back to a "street setup" again, and in THAT form cannot perform the feat they did whil ein "race trim".
I guess something must be getting lost in the translation. I am simply wondering why these guys never just say "look at my badass super fast modded car" - Why do they alwyas have to play the "street legal" card?
The car is modded to hell, so what - they should just say"This is my modded car - yeah its sick fast, and no its not stock - any other questions?" ;)
pagani
07-29-2008, 06:19 AM
And your point?
It is a highly modded car.
This discussion was about what constitutes "street legal" vs "street driven" and whether or not a speed/record achieved when the car is in RACE trim is really a STREET car record/speed.
*shrug*
I guess it has more to do with how honest these tuner car people are.
I have no dillusions, my car is a streetable race-prepped street car, and any and all achievements it does are by virtue of all the RACE mods, not the STREET nature of any o the stock bits left.
Much like any of the modded cars you posted about, the may "look" stock and be somewhat streetable, but they all make concessions to get the speed/performance they do, and at the extreme, they abandon some of the "street setup" just to get the "record/s[eed" then they go back to a "street setup" again, and in THAT form cannot perform the feat they did whil ein "race trim".
I guess something must be getting lost in the translation. I am simply wondering why these guys never just say "look at my badass super fast modded car" - Why do they alwyas have to play the "street legal" card?
The car is modded to hell, so what - they should just say"This is my modded car - yeah its sick fast, and no its not stock - any other questions?" ;)
Wathever
Most cars i posted have a street/race setup not much stock parts left in the engine.
Wathever
Most cars i posted have a street/race setup not much stock parts left in the engine.
And its great that you are posting these videos about these cars.. my beef is more likely with the car owner that like to say "street legla this" and "street legal" that ;)
Thats why I ended my comments with:
Since these cars are modded to hell, they should just say "This is my modded car - yeah its sick fast, and no its not stock - any other questions?"
pagani
07-29-2008, 11:26 AM
And its great that you are posting these videos about these cars.. my beef is more likely with the car owner that like to say "street legla this" and "street legal" that ;)
Thats why I ended my comments with:
ok
Stock sucks anyway
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