Nissan Voids GTR R35 warrenty if you turn off stability / traction control

[nthfinity]

You heard it right.... Gasp!!! ...... unless you are in snow or mud

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=17628

[5vz-fe]

shit, I thought RC was kidding on the other post.....damn......Nissan has done it.

[RC45]

Heehee... :P

[nthfinity]

shit, I thought RC was kidding on the other post.....damn......Nissan has done it.

Thought it must be a rumor like the Veyron voids it's warrenty when doing Vmax (top speed key) ..... not this time...

[Spiffu]

Just how would they know when you do it, though I know every owner's Veyron transmits all speed/function data back to the company.

The GTR is another matter..

[HeilSvenska]

Massive fail.

Thought it must be a rumor like the Veyron voids it's warrenty when doing Vmax (top speed key) ..... not this time...
At least Bugatti gives you the option of using Bugatti's own car to do a Vmax run at Ehra Lessien.

[ferrarif1fan89]

Wow, what a shame. I'm liking this car less and less.

[5vz-fe]

Just how would they know when you do it, though I know every owner's Veyron transmits all speed/function data back to the company.

The GTR is another matter..

It's not hard to store 1 bit into a memory somewhere.

[styla21]

Massive fail.
Word. :bored:

[enzoferrari]

Bad for GTR owners really bad,nissan have to stop lying!

[fordgt84]

oh come on :censored::cursing:

nissan makes this gr8 car, and then they give us this bullshit about not being allowed to switch off the stability control... if i buy a car i want to drive it how ever they hell i want and i dont want the ppl i bought it from telling me how i can and cannot drive...i love the gtr but i hate nissan for this bullshit

[STiInYourEye]

This seems absolutely crazy. That means to take advantage of the Launch Control feature, you would instantly void the warranty. I was under the impression that a vehicle manufacturer could not include a feature on the car (like LC) that when used, would result in the warranty being voided.

[HeilSvenska]

This is exactly what I've been talking about. Nissan failed in that they promote this car as easily approachable cheap-price alternative to supercars that you can drive on the limit without killing yourself, yet they alienate the GT-R enthusiasts by locking the ECU, putting a nationwide speed limiter, (in Japan, GT-R's homeland no less) then setting up a ridiculous servicing intervals and costs that would void your warranty if you didn't comply (and the fact that in Japan, Nissan knows if you'd been having fun, via a satellite, and will make you pay for it). And now you can't even turn the stability/traction control off.

And the launch control? That's the car's party piece. You'll get still impressive, but not-so-hype-worthy 4 sec 0-60, 9 sec 0-100, and 13 sec 1/4 mile at ??? mph instead of the biblical numbers Nissan's throwing into every single publication of any kind.

This car embodies everything I hate about Nissan. That's still less than any Toyota though. ;-)

*Found the owners manual online. Will read later.

[torrentjunkie]

Okay, well i have to say that's one thing i dont like about it.

But anyway, its a japanese built nissan, so you could do away with the warranty, in my expreience japanese cars remain whilst everything else drop like flies.

I'm positively sure there's a small army of tuning companies growing that would be able remedy that situation. I guess nissan are just being obsessively overprotective over it's flagship, but i honestly don't see this warranty issue lasting, seeing as its true enthusiasts that will buy this car. Customer feedback is going to force nissan into changing their minds.

I think they want to ditch this entire aftermarket modifying scenario, because that in some way diminishes the status of the car, and in some ways the company itself, hence all these nasty and frankly stupid rules.

[r2r]

SAy What?

:laugh:................all I can say.

[comfychair]

Where does it say the warranty is void if you turn it off? I'm not claiming it isn't, it just doesn't say that in the scan provided. Anybody have the Warranty Information Booklet it refers to?

[RC45]

Where does it say the warranty is void if you turn it off? I'm not claiming it isn't, it just doesn't say that in the scan provided. Anybody have the Warranty Information Booklet it refers to?

The scan is from the owners manual.

Posted by a new GT-R owner himself.

Read em and weep... the GT-R is all show and no go ;)

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23113

See post #3 in that thread made by the new owner.

[5vz-fe]

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23211

...drum roll...

"contact a GT-R certified Nissan Dealer for..."

"Do not blah blah. Doing blah blah blah will void your warranty. See Warranty Information Booklet"

Overall, my observations are:

- There is more stuff about how to sit right and put a car seat in any anything else. Maybe just in the US because of our "I'll sue you" driven society.

- I am bummed that I can't even change the oil let alone other fluids. That has been my one joy in the last 6 Nissan/Inifiniti cars I have owned.

- Seems there will will lots of transmission noises. The conditions of the noises are interesting, which leads me to believe that they tested the heck out of that transmission and also how am I to know when the noise is normal vs a genuine problem? e.g. Use M mode in cold weather to avoid transmission clanking ...seriously "clanking".

- Turning VDC Off is as bad as sleeping with your wife's hot sister.

- For being a super car, I am slightly disappointed that they did not include a few Infiniti luxuries such as meters/gauges moving with steering wheel, electronic steering wheel adjustment, entry/exit system, seat memory, electronic front seat retracting for rear access, no fog lights, no backup camera, etc. Although I did like the folding mirrors button.

- Don't put custom exhausts cause they can melt the plastic on the rear. Don't remove rear carpeting cause it will decrease heat dissipation from exhaust and increase transmission noise. Don't change front fascia, it will cause brake rotors to overhead. All valid but interesting.

- Lastly, big brother will be watching (see attachment)

- Despite this, I still love it and can't await to get it.Some interesting finding ...

Current bid on Ebay for GT-R is ~100k
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2009-NISSAN-GT-R-Skyline-Twin-Turbo-V6-Coupe-AWD_W0QQitemZ180258264739QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180258264739&_trksid=p3756.m14.l1318

[HeilSvenska]

Turning VDC Off is as bad as sleeping with your wife's hot sister.Knowing Nissan, it's probably more like your wife's hot mother.

[KJM 212K]

how will they know you shut it off? :?: :|

[ferrarif1fan89]

Isn't that technically illegal?

[styla21]

And it gets better..
..Nissan also stipulates that all GTR's are washed by special "Detail Specialists" and can only be performed at the dealerships.. Doing otherwise also voids your warranty :mrgreen:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7564/capturexn0.jpg

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[enzoferrari]

Lol lol lol lol ^^^^^^^

[CarlZ]

are they really serious??? this is pathetic...

[fordgt84]

And it gets better..
..Nissan also stipulates that all GTR's are washed by special "Detail Specialists" and can only be performed at the dealerships.. Doing otherwise also voids your warranty :mrgreen:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7564/capturexn0.jpg

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the story just says they have a super-duper machine for washing the car, and that voiding the warranty stuff is porbably just a line written by a journo to sensationalise the story, and the story is nearly six months old....and there was nothing of the sort on the scanned warranty booklet...still very pissed off about the VDC off thing though :angry:

[styla21]

the story just says they have a super-duper machine for washing the car, and that voiding the warranty stuff is porbably just a line written by a journo to sensationalise the story, and the story is nearly six months old....and there was nothing of the sort on the scanned warranty booklet...still very pissed off about the VDC off thing though :angry:

Hence the gigantic smiley ;-)

[Mattk]

Hmph. I don't see what the big fuss is. The voiding provisions are easily severable. Turning off the 'VDC' is going to void the VDC's warranty but not anything else. If you were going to turn it off, it's unlikely you'd care too much if it stopped working. Furthermore, Nissan never intended for you to turn it off, so the idea is that you don't, or Nissan won't like you very much.

However, it seems Nissan have installed a very fragile system in this car and lacks confidence in its abilities. They've failed to create a system that can be swtiched on and off without risk of harm, so they've gone for the next best thing - a cover-up. Now, that's bad.

[Pokiou]

The point is that nissan want to keep these cars OUT of the local smash repairs and pick a part shops ;)

After seeing how the last 10 years of GTR's have been treated.. im glad they are taking the step from making it a boy ricer burner to a adult power machine.

Over protective...yes, but its whats needed to be done.

[nthfinity]

Hmph. I don't see what the big fuss is. The voiding provisions are easily severable. Turning off the 'VDC' is going to void the VDC's warranty but not anything else. If you were going to turn it off, it's unlikely you'd care too much if it stopped working. Furthermore, Nissan never intended for you to turn it off, so the idea is that you don't, or Nissan won't like you very much.

However, it seems Nissan have installed a very fragile system in this car and lacks confidence in its abilities. They've failed to create a system that can be swtiched on and off without risk of harm, so they've gone for the next best thing - a cover-up. Now, that's bad.

The voided warranty is against the driveline, not the electronic traction control's ability to turn on and off.

[styla21]

After seeing how the last 10 years of GTR's have been treated.. im glad they are taking the step from making it a boy ricer burner to a adult power machine.

Over protective...yes, but its whats needed to be done.
Why not wrap the car in bubble wrap while we're at it? Or limit new owners to 2nd gear for a year, and require a CAMS license to even make a purchase? :-P
How is voiding the warranty when disabling your TC, converting it to an 'adult power machine'? It's not.

[torrentjunkie]

I seriously don't see this VDC fiasco lasting. Maybe the cover up is that the warranty period is actually the break in period lol:-P

The warranty is going to expire anyways, and anyone who buys a GTR isn't going to wring it's neck as soon as thy're out of the showroom by doing full blown launch control less starts, unless they're a motoring journalist that is. To me that makes it a little less of an issue.

[nthfinity]

I seriously don't see this VDC fiasco lasting. Maybe the cover up is that the warranty period is actually the break in period lol:-P

The warranty is going to expire anyways, and anyone who buys a GTR isn't going to wring it's neck as soon as thy're out of the showroom by doing full blown launch control less starts, unless they're a motoring journalist that is. To me that makes it a little less of an issue.

now who is making assumptions when the print is clear as day in black and white, and all over the GTR forums posted by GTR owners?

[HeilSvenska]

how will they know you shut it off? :?: :|
The ECU would log every single thing you do with your car and there's nothing you can do about it. Especially in Japan, where they can track you with satellites. :-(

Isn't that technically illegal?
It's illegal for a new car not to have an electronic stability control, but it doesn't mean they can't also install a button to turn it off. ;-)

[RC45]

now who is making assumptions when the print is clear as day in black and white, and all over the GTR forums posted by GTR owners?

Isn't it amazing?

The Jesus-mobile has fanboise so worked up that now they are not even believing actual owners of actual GT-R's.. ;) hehehe

[graywolf624]

The point is that nissan want to keep these cars OUT of the local smash repairs and pick a part shops
Why would they care? Unless its repaired with Nissan parts they then can void those parts of the warrenty.. And if it is repaired with them then guess whose making a profit?

Im starting to wonder how much these special services cost.. Whats the true cost of the car ownership?

[5vz-fe]

^Arm and Leg

[HeilSvenska]

Why would they care? Unless its repaired with Nissan parts they then can void those parts of the warrenty.. And if it is repaired with them then guess whose making a profit?

Im starting to wonder how much these special services cost.. Whats the true cost of the car ownership?
Apparently, in Japan at least, each mandatory full service costs $1000 after you've been on the track.

Well... I guess it's not really a service. More like an inspection. :-P

I also hear that dealers have to be specially tooled and employ specialists, making it rather expensive for official dealers/service centers, so Nissan's thinking that all the profits from their expensive servicing should go to itself. Makes sense for a business, but it won't make it popular.

[5vz-fe]

What Nissan is doing is driving all business to local repair shop since most owners will void the warranty anyways.