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graywolf624
06-22-2008, 08:01 PM
Well, after a long hiatus the reviews are back. If you recall the end of the last review session ended up in me buying a 2008 Corvette. Well lets just hope we don't go there yet again, my wallet couldn't handle it.

There is a back story to what led me to this review, however it is rather long and lengthy so I won't bore you with the details... At least until the Trans Am arises from the ashes in it's new form. In the mean time I have set a goal to test drive something really special this year. Unfortunately the first attempt this weekend was a bust, so I decided the M3 was good enough. I doubt I'll get any complaints.

So the car in question is a brand new M3 Coupe. It is loaded, moon roof, nav, performance package, tech package, uprated leather, etc. From a gadget perspective it has all the little toys I enjoy so much on the Vette and then some. The keyless entry, 3 peat turn signal, speed sensitive audio, and dual climate zone are all present. Also making its presence known are chilled cup holders, the ability to schedule the air conditioning system to cool the car at a time of day, and real time traffic. Then again we all know none of these things is really what gets my blood boiling about a car, so this will be the last you hear about the gadgets.

You also can't discuss the M3 without pointing out the abundant rear seat and trunk room. The back seats even fold down leading to a very deep storage area, if a little on the narrow side. For some reason it also comes with roof rack mounting locations as standard, just in case you want to take your 50k rwd high horsepower car in the snow I guess? Then again I drive a Trans Am in the winter, so he who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones. Finally, the BMW service package also adds to the experience, full maintenance for 4 years is nothing to sneeze at.

If I haven't bored you yet with the last 2 paragraphs, this may be the car for you. What you say? You haven't even mentioned how it goes? You the guy who loves cars for the way they go saying the M3 should be judged on the gadgets and luxuries? Before the crowd starts throwing rocks and shouting "You call yourself a petrol head" perhaps I should clarify.

Well, as surprising as it is, I didn't like the new M3s driving manners. Now don't get me wrong the car is plenty fast and goes around corners as if on rails. Its slightly slower in acceleration then my Vette (4.7 seconds), but also faster then the Trans Am. Simply outlandish numbers for a 4 door sedan. So why am I so non pulsed?

Well first theres the acceleration. The car doesn't feel fast. I mean I know I was going fast because the speedo said I was, but if you sat me in the forest with no reference for speed I'd probably be writing this from the hospital. Why? Well I spent most of the rest of the weekend thinking about that, which lead me to a laundry list of gripes about the car. The BMW fans in the room may want to leave now, as this is about to get gruesome.

First the exhaust, I know an aftermarket exhaust is a cheap fix, but this thing is obscenely quiet. My exhaust valves closed on the Vette make this car sound like a Hoover. Not a good thing for a sense of speed, not a death blow though of course.

But then you get to how it delivers it's 414 bhp. It does so at 8300 rpms, 200 below it's 8500 rpm redline. It does it with a power curve that rises steadily from 100 bhp (yes you read that right 100 bhp) all the way up. In other words below 2000 rpm my grand mom's 92 Saturn is faster. According to the dyno in the brochure it takes it all the way to 5000 rpm to clear 300 bhp, something my Vette does in just above 2000 rpm. This means off the line and in gear acceleration just feels lethargic. By the time it gets into the power band in any gear, even first, your moving too fast to discern the power it has built so gradually. Again this is another area that is easily rectifiable, simply down shift the car and rev the nuts off it. I'd like to say I did this a lot on my test drive, but I was struggling to cope with the difference in shift gate to what I was use to. Those times when I did get it right though, it still didn't feel right. By now your thinking I should be committed to the nut house, but hear me out.

The last thing that made me feel like the car was not that fast was the steering and shifting. Both were extremely light with absolutely no feedback. I mean a Corvette and a Trans Am aren't exactly known for feedback, but this was a whole other level. I felt like I could twirl the steering wheel with my pinky. It was disconcerting to say the least. There was no speaking to me in the corners, like I enjoyed so much with the Caymen S. Don't get me wrong the steering was direct. For a car weighing nearly 500 lbs more then the Vette, it certainly was nearly as nimble, but without that feel I felt like the whole situation was sanitized. It just left me cold.

Have you ever wanted so bad to like a car you just can't believe what you thought after you drove it? Thats honestly how I feel about the new M3. Honestly nothing of what I've written here on it's own is that big of a deal. I like the S2000 despite having to rev the crap out of it to get going. I like the TA despite having to modify the car to really feel what it is doing. Sadly combine the two traits together and I quickly lose interest.
Let the flames from the BMW faithful begin.

yg60m
06-22-2008, 09:26 PM
:thumbup: Thank you mate, nice read !

Mattk
06-22-2008, 09:35 PM
Nice write-up. Although I feel that the more pedestrian approach taken by the BMW engineers was all for a purpose - a result of market research and designing for the majority perhaps.

RC45
06-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Nice write-up. Although I feel that the more pedestrian approach taken by the BMW engineers was all for a purpose - a result of market research and designing for the majority perhaps.

The reason is because all the M3 buyers of the last 2 generations have grown fat, flabby and middle aged (all my buddies ;)) and to keep from these guys going to buy something else (they all really want M5's but can't always swing the money) they simply turned the new M3 into the old M5 ;)

Every new BMW is fat and lazy with enough HP to go fast.

:)

styla21
06-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Styla has left the building :-P
Nice objective review though, Gray.

Spiffu
06-23-2008, 12:51 AM
Top Gear pretty much nailed it on what BMW figured on where the market is for M3 owners.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r7_bGJpsY4s

I've seen a couple around where I live, me being an enthusiast, I recognize cars the average person doesn't, but I still mistake these for regular 3 series BM's.

Mattk
06-23-2008, 02:21 AM
^I just look at the side mirrors. The M3 mirrors are distinctive.

Erez
06-23-2008, 02:39 AM
i agree that if your over 45, or bold, the M3 is not for you:-D
but if your younger, :thumbup:

RC45
06-23-2008, 03:01 AM
i agree that if your over 45, or bold, the M3 is not for you:-D
but if your younger, :thumbup:

Actually it is the opposite - the new M3 is aimed at the over 45 and "bold" (sic) ;)

79TA
06-23-2008, 03:11 AM
^ I'm pretty sure Gray is under 45 . . .

Wow, this was really weird to read since I just got done reading the Car & Driver comparo where the M3 takes down the 911 Turbo and GT-R. They praised the M3 for its sound as well as "excellent feel." etc etc. I'm not sure what to think now. My BMW driving experience is limited to an E30 or two. I guess I should go test driving like gray.

I've seen the M3's torque curve too. It's interesting how it's Kansas flat but it just isn't that high which leaves the low revs to be a hp wasteland.

graywolf624
06-23-2008, 06:50 AM
I'm pretty sure Gray is under 45 . . .
I'll be 27 tomorrow.. So yeah.

On an aside I've read the Car and Driver article myself which makes it even less understandable. In the cars defense I may be spoiled by the two very loud exhausts I currently drive. One of them is probably in the running for top 5 loudest cars here.
But the steering? Reading the C&D comparo I didnt see anything about steering feel. I did see a comment that it was light and flickable. I agree with that part at least.

dutchmasterflex
06-23-2008, 10:33 AM
Car and Driver's writers are not to be taken seriously.. especially when they are talking about a new Accord not being sporty or fun enough on the track. They have completely lost it as legitimate car journalists.

Nice to see your little write ups again :good: What's next on the test driving list?

HeilSvenska
06-23-2008, 11:07 AM
^I just look at the side mirrors. The M3 mirrors are distinctive.

And the big gob. Don't forget the gob.

rave426
06-23-2008, 12:13 PM
Your response to the M3 is quite understandable. I have driven a new M3 as well.

The M3 doesnt feel as fast as some other cars because its lower PEAK torque, but in essence is moving much faster than you think. People who are used to gobs of American power/torque will NOT like a car like the M3. RC45 would hate it and probably want to burn it.

The steering feel is another thing. When you place the car is sport mode using the M drive or whatever it sharpens the steering up quite a bit.

Personally I love high reving engines that explode at the top end, but I also like low end torque. A car like the Z06 is def more exciting to accelerate in, but to me the M3's driving dynamics are excellent. It does everything equally better than about any other car. IMO, no other car buts as many good things together in an automobile than the M3. Comfort, speed, handling, refinement, price...

Thanks for the review. I bet you would enjoy driving the C63 a lot more.

And oh yeah, the M3 has reached 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

5vz-fe
06-23-2008, 12:28 PM
I think they put too much focus on comfort for M3 these days. 3700lbs!! May as well get the fatter faster GT-R.

M5 suppose to bare satisfy owners that crave for comfort while having good balance of performance. Like RC said, M3 has now become the old M5.

Mattk
06-24-2008, 02:49 AM
^I'm sure one day they'll build a 2-series and an M2 to regain the old M3 feel.

RC45
06-24-2008, 02:52 AM
^I'm sure one day they'll build a 2-series and an M2 to regain the old M3 feel.

I believe that the 135i was supposed to be the car... but it is also a bloated pig.

nthfinity
06-24-2008, 11:04 AM
I believe that the 135i was supposed to be the car... but it is also a bloated pig.


Drove that one a few weeks ago with r2r.... and in a lot of ways it was the same thing as the M3.... with a few key differences.

the 135 is an odd mix of cheap materials, and luxury in the interior. It's like a mix between a Ford Fusion and a BMW 3 series. Where it's important (seats, steering wheel) There is plenty of leather. The dash is stitched rubber like the Ford is... which gives a little of the look of a leather wrapped dash... but only just. There is some plastic wood around the cabin too which works OK.

Steering feel.... sharp, direct, low weight, no feel... not on undulations, not on pot holes, not telling you where the grip is.

Acceleration wasn't like the M3 of old, or new with the sequential turbo's.... throttle response was good, and torque from even 2000 rpm is fantastic! There is no discernible difference in feel going from one turbo to the other... but the high rpm turbo falls flat on it's face 700 rpm from the redline. You can't help but feel as if the engine is designed to be slower then the E46 /// .... Tires will spin nicely, and top gear accell is quit egood from cruising speeds.... it's just when you wind out the engine that it doesn't feel quick.

It's also that point that you start to hear the engine, which you either love, or hate. The rasp shows up the last 500 rpm before redline... and sounds like the engine is really pushing (in a bad way).

The traction control is very noticeable in the low gears... but its not a bad car.

Stylistically, the car looks best from a front 5/6 view, from a 3/4 view, the lines of the tall "bubble" look of the rear window looks awkward.

r2r
06-24-2008, 12:14 PM
... and top gear accell is quite good from cruising speeds.... it's just when you wind out the engine that it doesn't feel quick.

It's also that point that you start to hear the engine, which you either love, or hate. The rasp shows up the last 500 rpm before redline... and sounds like the engine is really pushing (in a bad way).


Spot on here!

I really wanted to love the 135, but somehow it fell short.

rave426
06-24-2008, 05:19 PM
Drove that one a few weeks ago with r2r.... and in a lot of ways it was the same thing as the M3.... with a few key differences.

the 135 is an odd mix of cheap materials, and luxury in the interior. It's like a mix between a Ford Fusion and a BMW 3 series. Where it's important (seats, steering wheel) There is plenty of leather. The dash is stitched rubber like the Ford is... which gives a little of the look of a leather wrapped dash... but only just. There is some plastic wood around the cabin too which works OK.

Steering feel.... sharp, direct, low weight, no feel... not on undulations, not on pot holes, not telling you where the grip is.

Acceleration wasn't like the M3 of old, or new with the sequential turbo's.... throttle response was good, and torque from even 2000 rpm is fantastic! There is no discernible difference in feel going from one turbo to the other... but the high rpm turbo falls flat on it's face 700 rpm from the redline. You can't help but feel as if the engine is designed to be slower then the E46 /// .... Tires will spin nicely, and top gear accell is quit egood from cruising speeds.... it's just when you wind out the engine that it doesn't feel quick.

It's also that point that you start to hear the engine, which you either love, or hate. The rasp shows up the last 500 rpm before redline... and sounds like the engine is really pushing (in a bad way).

The traction control is very noticeable in the low gears... but its not a bad car.

Stylistically, the car looks best from a front 5/6 view, from a 3/4 view, the lines of the tall "bubble" look of the rear window looks awkward.

I actually agree with everything u said........except some of the interior comments. For a base 35k car the interior is very well sorted and crafted..if not a bit boring. Then again most of BMW's interiors are boring :mrgreen:

Mattk
06-25-2008, 12:17 AM
I always thought BMW interiors were deliberately boring and spartan because the focus was on the engines. Old 3-series models had little by way of standard interior goodies.