nascar

[zrick]

why the hell are there no nascar torrents, it is the most popular of all motorsports in the world.

[Spiffu]

http://spiffu.com/stuff/Nascar.jpg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg

Thankyou drive through.

[styla21]

Not the best introduction post i've seen...

Ironically the subject you posted on has a stereotype - a stereotype that you seem to fit the profile of perfectly.
Crass and obnoxious. :niet:

[atfin]

Spiffu (http://www.motorworld.net/forum/member.php?u=27883) Was it right or left in this turn:?::-)

[tkach]

After sadly living in the southern part of the U.S.A and being surrounded by NASCAR fans I now fully understand why it is popular. Because poeple who like NASCAR are morons who enjoy crap that isnt racing because they are very stupid. Hence forth many do not own computers so there are few torrents.

[HeilSvenska]

Ironically the subject you posted on has a stereotype - a stereotype that you seem to fit the profile of perfectly.
Crass and obnoxious. :niet:

Then

Because poeple who like NASCAR are morons who enjoy crap that isnt racing because they are very stupid. Hence forth many do not own computers so there are few torrents.

Funny. That doesn't stop NASCAR haters from being crass and obnoxious. NASCAR is as much a racing series as anything else. And yes, I do watch it. And no, I'm not a redneck.

But I have to say, why would a nascar fan want to watch races after they're done? Watching reviews and reruns of a nascar race just doesn't work. It's just not as exciting.

[tkach]

Sorry for that I got caught at a very bad moment. Im usually not that much of a dick.

[styla21]

Funny. That doesn't stop NASCAR haters from being crass and obnoxious. NASCAR is as much a racing series as anything else. And yes, I do watch it. And no, I'm not a redneck.

Heil. I'm pointing out that a stereotype exists and judging by Zrick's first post, he could fit that profile. Generally, a way to ask for something politely is to say e.g: "Could i please...", "Can somebody please help find...?", "......thankyou" etc.
A bit of courtesy, especially in a first post doesn't take much, and this thread would probably have taken a completely different track to what it has.
Who posts / asks for something like this anyway? why the hell are there no nascar torrents, it is the most popular of all motorsports in the world.

[RC45]

As much as people like to hate on NASCAR, it represents some very sound and robust and clever engineering....

Think about this:

The cars weigh about 3500lbs, run pushrod V8's and can hiot 170mph on short tracks.

Add to this wheel size limits of 15", yet the tiny brake rotots/pad can haul thos cars from 170mph to 70mph once every 20 seconds or so - for 500 or 600 laps - sometimes more.

Think about the stresses and strains on those wheel bearings, the heat disipation requirements of those brake rotors - the extreme punishment the shocks endure.

Now think the same chassis sees 2 main feature events PER WEEK sometims, as well as 3 or 4 days of practice.

Add to this the reality that when NASCAR drivers step to other motor sports, they do better sooner than when other motorsport drivers step over to NASCAR ;)

Didnt Jeff Gordon run a Forumla 1 car at the Indy grandprix to within 1s of the pole qualifiying time - his first time out?? ;)

[Carbodiox]

Hahaha omg I died! (Spiffu vid)

Is it straight enough!!???

Basicly as a guy from europe the only thing about nascar i know is that they all have the same v8 cars and they are going left and straight. As a scientist and person who also has common sense i don't want to judge to quickly but my god thats enough for me to not watch these races. Obviously still having full respect to people who do want to enjoy nascar. But this discussion is about user zrick and i have to agree with styla21 - thats not the way to begin your trip with MW community

[Mattk]

I think we've scared the guy away. He's hiding in shame due to his lack of social skills.

I've watched NASCAR on a few occasions and I must say it's not a favourite. It's not really all that exciting and it's pretty mundane. It certainly requires a lot of skill and hard work, but even lawn bowls is better to watch on TV.

[79TA]

His question wasn't a very good one as it's easily answered if you look at the interests of the people who use MW.

Anyway, the random NASCAR bashing is just, as if not more, ignorant than they claim NASCAR fans to be. People look at it and say, "oh it's just straights and left turns, how simplistic and boring." While there is some point to be made there, one must respect that to be competetive in oval racing one must be at the limit of grip CONSTANTLY. They are flirting with the limits far more than any road racer and must do so for about 4 hours . . . not a lame F1-esque 2 hours.

My favorite type of racing is endurance road racing as I find the cars more relevant, and the courses and test of time more interesting, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy NASCAR or that I go around arbitrarily holding my nose up.

Lastly, I find it a bit ironic that this conversation happened right before one of the two yearly Sprint Cup road races. They're at Infineon tomorrow, so I'm going to make sure to watch the race. Go Ron Fellows!

[Pokiou]

why the hell are there no nascar torrents, it is the most popular of all motorsports in the world.



it so trolls like you don't come to the forum for just torrents.

[Pokiou]

His question wasn't a very good one as it's easily answered if you look at the interests of the people who use MW.

Anyway, the random NASCAR bashing is just, as if not more, ignorant than they claim NASCAR fans to be. People look at it and say, "oh it's just straights and left turns, how simplistic and boring." While there is some point to be made there, one must respect that to be competetive in oval racing one must be at the limit of grip CONSTANTLY. They are flirting with the limits far more than any road racer and must do so for about 4 hours . . . not a lame F1-esque 2 hours.

My favorite type of racing is endurance road racing as I find the cars more relevant, and the courses and test of time more interesting, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy NASCAR or that I go around arbitrarily holding my nose up.

Lastly, I find it a bit ironic that this conversation happened right before one of the two yearly Sprint Cup road races. They're at Infineon tomorrow, so I'm going to make sure to watch the race. Go Ron Fellows!

Rally... thats all i can say.

[RC45]

His question wasn't a very good one as it's easily answered if you look at the interests of the people who use MW.

Anyway, the random NASCAR bashing is just, as if not more, ignorant than they claim NASCAR fans to be. People look at it and say, "oh it's just straights and left turns, how simplistic and boring." While there is some point to be made there, one must respect that to be competetive in oval racing one must be at the limit of grip CONSTANTLY. They are flirting with the limits far more than any road racer and must do so for about 4 hours . . . not a lame F1-esque 2 hours.

My favorite type of racing is endurance road racing as I find the cars more relevant, and the courses and test of time more interesting, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy NASCAR or that I go around arbitrarily holding my nose up.

Lastly, I find it a bit ironic that this conversation happened right before one of the two yearly Sprint Cup road races. They're at Infineon tomorrow, so I'm going to make sure to watch the race. Go Ron Fellows!

The problem is that NASCAR bashing is far easier for most benchracers than actually engaging in meaningful discussion...

[HeilSvenska]

Rally... thats all i can say.
Now rally racing is a different animal altogether. Well. Depending on whether you're talking about WRC type rallys or Dakar type rallys.

[79TA]

Rally... thats all i can say.

Hardcore rallying (WRC) is so intense that the cars can't run with one another. I love Eurosport's WRC coverage. Still, there is something to be said for side by side racing action.

Anyway, today's race at Sonoma really ticked me off as Robby Gordon fell victim to the combined buffoonery of Kurt Busch and Max Papis while Ron Fellows went outside to avoid a wreck but was hit (had he gone inside, he's have ended up third, giving him a chance to go for the win.) Boris Said had brake issues and was never a factor. My 3 favorite NASCAR road course drivers all had terrible fates today and I'm bummed.

Lastly, NASCAR could definitely use more road courses.

[Pokiou]

and better looking cars...

[r2r]

...it is the most popular of all motorsports in the world.

Sorry to inform you mate, but nascar is mostly only popular on American continents, and that's about it!

[xbeakerx]

fucking priceless!!! That was the best first post i've ever seen in my life!!

[HeilSvenska]

Sorry to inform you mate, but nascar is mostly only popular on American continents, and that's about it!
North America is just one continent. Anyways, NASCAR still has a fanbase of a third of the entire US population, which is massive by any standard. ;-)

NASCAR could definitely use more road courses.
Road course races are awesome. I love how the stock car drivers just ignore the bumps since their cars can just run across it fine. :laugh:

[r2r]

North America is just one continent...

...and?



... NASCAR still has a fanbase of a third of the entire US population, which is massive by any standard. ;-)



Which goes to show where people come up with theories that the entire world knows about it! ;-)

[HeilSvenska]

Which goes to show where people come up with theories that the entire world knows about it! ;-)
What theories? :?:

[r2r]

What theories? :?:

...it is the most popular of all motorsports in the world.

It's only a few posts back ;-)

[HeilSvenska]

It's only a few posts back ;-)
Oh. I see. Haha. Oops.

Well. Of course, NASCAR doesn't have much global appeal because it doesn't race outside North America. Stock car racing's still interesting enough to be adapted by the Brits, though. And the Aussie V8 Supercar champion Marcos Ambrose is going to drive for two teams in the Sprint Cup this year. ;-)

[styla21]

And the Aussie V8 Supercar champion Marcos Ambrose is going to drive for two teams in the Sprint Cup this year. ;-)

Yup, and he described the intensity of the qualifying lap in the sprint race, as making him more nervous than the final race for the championship in the V8 supercar cup.

I respect Nascar. It's a technical and intense style of racing, and it is popular for good reason. :thumbup:
I don't respect peoples rude, and obnoxious first posts, underpinned with a sense of entitlement and elitism. :thumbdown:

[79TA]

and better looking cars...

yea, seriously.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was such a thing as actual stock car racing? That is, the racing of bone stock cars. If such a series were popular, it would force manufacturers to dump money directly into the cars that consumers buy rather than indirectly some of the time.

[MidEngine4Life]

NASCAR has its good points. If I have to name them theres no point in telling you really lol. I enjoy watching a race or two, but I still prefer F1 or Rally racing. I went to the NASCAR race here in NorCal last weekend at Infineon raceway now that was a good race. Tracks like that really show you who in nascar can actually drive a race car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx_5x0GTp3E

[Pokiou]

yea, seriously.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was such a thing as actual stock car racing? That is, the racing of bone stock cars. If such a series were popular, it would force manufacturers to dump money directly into the cars that consumers buy rather than indirectly some of the time.

i dont know if your being sarcastic or not.. BUT id o agree with you 100%.... i guess thats when we will see the motor industry really moving forward !

[Pokiou]

Marcus.. is surely the best and would excell at these sorts of tracks in Nascar.. its his home turf sort of thing.. He loves turns.. and not just a left turn ..!!!

[Pokiou]

Also i would LOVE to see how the Americans would react to a V8 super car round in the states at like.> laguna Seca or something .. !!! i would love to watch that !

[Mattk]

^They wouldn't react because they'd be watching NASCAR.

[79TA]

NASCAR has its good points. If I have to name them theres no point in telling you really lol. I enjoy watching a race or two, but I still prefer F1 or Rally racing. I went to the NASCAR race here in NorCal last weekend at Infineon raceway now that was a good race. Tracks like that really show you who in nascar can actually drive a race car.



Awesome. Sonoma is my favorite NASCAR race of the year. I'm still ticked off about the fates of my three favorite road course racers though (Gordon, Fellows, and Said.) I guess I'll have to wait for Watkins Glen to see them up in front again.

[styla21]

This thread has confirmed my ignorance toward Nascar.. I didn't even know there was road courses. I now have much greater respect for it. :-)
How many are there in total in the season?
Do you find that teams who do well on a speedway circuit may be replaced by other teams at the top of the grid on the roads circuits?

[xbeakerx]

2 i believe... dont ask me where...

but honestly they arent very good cars for the road courses... they spinout a lot...

[HeilSvenska]

This thread has confirmed my ignorance toward Nascar.. I didn't even know there was road courses. I now have much greater respect for it. :-)
How many are there in total in the season?
There are only two road cource races in the season. :-(

Do you find that teams who do well on a speedway circuit may be replaced by other teams at the top of the grid on the roads circuits?
Not really. Top teams are usually in the front. You'd think road course specialists would always lead, but they don't have clear domination over the rest, probably because NASCAR drivers do not use the same normal racing line for the track (let alone same configuration), and the car feels different from what they usually drive.

Top drivers who do well in ovals might fall back. You might see a non-first tier team getting close to front, but it's not guaranteed.

*I should mention that I was talking about the Sprint Cup (formerly Nextel Cup). The Nationwide Series (formerly Busch Series) has two road course races too, I believe. One at the Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez in Mexico and at Watkins Glen like in Sprint Cup.

[79TA]

2 i believe... dont ask me where...

but honestly they arent very good cars for the road courses... they spinout a lot...

I'm not at all a fan of the new fatter stock cars, but you can say the same about any production based road racing series where they race at 9-10/10's in traffic.

[Spiffu]

To be perfectly honest I wouldn't be so annoyed with nascar if there was variety to the racing. Bring back multiple models to the series. Allow different teams to use different body chassis, just make them look like actual muscle cars like back in the old days.

Out of all the racing series nascar is the slowest to implement new racing changes to their respective series. F1, Le mans, etc all do a variety of changes every year. Next year in F1 the aero in the rear is completely changing for the cars to allow closer racing.

The COT cars in nascar were a response to Dale Sr's death, it's taken them 7 years to build what is essentially a slightly different shaped replacement with a splitter and rear spoiler. Congratulations, you have joined racing technology from the 1980's, now about those carbeurated engines...

Nascar like to advertise it's about the drivers not the cars, that is a very backwards way of dealing with people who have issues with the lack of technology in the racing.

Right now I could pour a package of skittles in the toilet and flush and it would look about the same as a "stock" car race.

[79TA]

Out of all the racing series nascar is the slowest to implement new racing changes to their respective series. F1, Le mans, etc all do a variety of changes every year. Next year in F1 the aero in the rear is completely changing for the cars to allow closer racing.




That sounds a bit too much like NASCAR (which is the epitome of restricting in the name of competition without being a full-on spec series.) I'm cynical towards F1 and generally see those changes as being made to help the red skittles get around their respective pathes first.

So which do you want, technology (aero in this case) or looks? With the current safer and fatter bodies in NASCAR. . . they kind of have neither, but the point remains, that would mess up the aero. I think some of my favorite stock cars were from the 80's as those were the last ones that weren't so rounded off. I blame modern (read aerodynamically efficient) car design in general for that though.

Horsepower gains in NASCAR are more likely to be relevant to normal cars as the 5.7 litre V8's actually have to have some torque to pull a 3400 pound car around. Drag racing and NASCAR have done much more for real world cylinder head and camshaft design than F1 ever thought of. There's something to be said for the tech of mechanical intelligence. I don't exactly see F1 technology trickling down to the masses. Then again, I don't want to preheat my engine before startup because of race temp only tolerances. Equally irrelevant to normal production cars are the suspension systems used on their ultra-light cars.


Anyway, this is a good chance to bring up a tangent question. What changes would make NASCAR "not low-tech" in your eyes?

Fuel injection? Direct injection? Smaller displacement force-fed engines? Higher revving engines? DSG style transmissions? More emphsis on right hand corner carving? Lighter vehicle weight? More exotic construction materials (in the name of reducing weight?) Drivers going on fitness programs? More computer nannies/aids? Needlessly complicated but nevertheless seemingy high tech systems that do little to aid final performance?

Come on folks, put in your two cents.

[Spiffu]

I could care less about racing technology getting into production cars, only ever so rarely does that ever happen in the real world. Ferrari is the only company that translates it's F1 technology to it's production cars.

For stock cars it would be going backwards to take it's "race" technology to a modern sports car.

Fuel injection? Direct injection? Smaller displacement force-fed engines? Higher revving engines? DSG style transmissions? More emphsis on right hand corner carving? Lighter vehicle weight? More exotic construction materials (in the name of reducing weight?) Drivers going on fitness programs? More computer nannies/aids? Needlessly complicated but nevertheless seemingy high tech systems that do little to aid final performanc

Drivers going on fitness programs - That's a start, a lot of the stock car drivers are rather porky which shows the dramatic contrast between every other motorsport out there.

Fuel injection/Direct Injection - Nascar is only sticking with carbonated engines to appease the old school fans. For crying out loud fuel injection has been around since the late 50's. This is not new fangled technology.

Small discplacement/Forced Induction - I have no doubt if a new engine formula using small engines with turbos or super chargers wouldn't be big with the crowds. V8 rumble is what sells the series.

Flappy paddle gear box - why the hell not? Or the very least a dog box, I always wondered why they don't just put an automatic in those cars.

More emphasis on right hand corner carving - What is this "right hand" you speak of. There is only left. Seriously though, more than 2 road courses a year would get more respect out of real racing enthusiests. As far as I know, a stock car has never attempted the cork scew.

Lighter vehicle weight - 3500 lb race car = fail, needs to be under 3000 lbs

Computer aids - F1 cars don't use them anymore, these don't have to.

People who claim they are devils advocates about multiple racing series including nascar don't get the real purpose behind it. They are 187 mph billboards. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no doubt the reason the COT took so long to finish was to maximize how many advertisement sticks they could get on it theoretically.



There is my two and a half cents.

[HeilSvenska]

^Here's a thought. NASCAR's successful formula doesn't really rely much on its cars. Then why would they try to make everything high tech when things are going well as they are? Let's be honest. Making NASCAR high tech isn't going to increase number of fans in any case.

But I do agree with one of your points, though. Diversity in cars would definitely help. And making cars look like actual street cars would be awesome.


People who claim they are devils advocates about multiple racing series including nascar don't get the real purpose behind it. They are 187 mph billboards. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you think about it, isn't all racing series that way? ;-)

[Spiffu]

I don't question that sponsorship in all racing series is the primary source of income to allow continued progress for the respective racing teams.

But nascar takes it to a whole other level. Every single race a brand of some kind is being mentioned prior to some mundane event either it be looking at track positions or even a damn camera view. The track announcers do it during commentary. And as for the drivers...

Every single time they are interviewed they do mini-commercials for whatever top sponsor brand is on their car. It's pathetic how they do it too, it's like "I suck dick to race this car!"

In ALMS I don't see this going on, every once in a while it happens but all I see are drivers thanking what matters, their team and driving ability. Same for F1.

And F1 is the most profitable motorsport in the world. So you can do it with out getting on your knees.

[HeilSvenska]

In ALMS I don't see this going on, every once in a while it happens but all I see are drivers thanking what matters, their team and driving ability. Same for F1.

And F1 is the most profitable motorsport in the world. So you can do it with out getting on your knees.

Why do you think ALMS is not a mainstream motorsport? It's popular among people who know it. It's one of the best respected. But is it mainstream? Is it that profitable? No. Probably not. It's a different ball game altogether.

F1 is most profitable by sheer figure or percentage? Either way, teams spend $3 billion dollars each year. Tracks cost hundreds of millions. New Gran Prix organizations now get fundings from governments. FIA Super License costs $15,000 per driver and they have to pay $3100 for each point they've earned in a race while teams have to pay $467,000. And FIA's thinking about increasing that to $1.15 million. As if that's not enough, FIA wants each Grand Prix organizer to pay $20 million+ per race to keep it on the calendar. And take a look at what kind of companies sponsor F1. Giant corporations who can "afford" to pay millions of dollars for a tiny spot on an already tiny car. That's before considering that good F1 tickets cost hundreds of dollars.

It's a different kind of approach to making profits. True. NASCAR does have huge paying sponsors, but not as much as F1.

[Spiffu]

At least I don't have to listen to commercials during a race and drivers prostrating themselves.

[HeilSvenska]

At least I don't have to listen to commercials during a race and drivers prostrating themselves.
Because you don't see it on your F1 coverage doesn't mean they don't shill. ;-)

Michael Schumacher for the Swiss Agriculture
http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/schuswissad.jpg
http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/schumacherlollipop.jpg

Giancarlo Fisichella for Drive beer
http://www.drivebeer.com/

Fernando Alonso for Visa credit card
http://www.cajastur.es/particulares/productos/producto423.html

Juan Pablo Montoya for Cafe Tostion coffee
http://www.cafetostion.com/index.html

Kimi and Michael for Fiat Bravo
Fiat Bravo Ad with Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen - YouTube

Oh, and that's right. All the F1 drivers often advertise for big expensive looking brands, so they don't look like they're whoring themselves. Hugo Boss, Tag Heure, Abbey National etc...

And there was that big gaff where Lewis Hamilton played the Greek god Apollo for Vodafone. What a tosser. :-P
http://image.motortrend.com/f/motorsports/f1s-hamilton-plays-greek-god-apollo-brings-peace-to-troy/9844911+cr1+re0+ar1/lewis-hamilton-as-apollo.jpg


In the end, it's all the same thing. ;-)

[SHIZL]

spiffu you ever hear of a little company named roush or saleen they have a little trickle down from there racing probably more than ferrari. as for nascar thats about the only racing were allowed to watch on normal tv and im not paying for nascar tv even though it has a few other racing series on there if it was still speedvision then yes too bad its gone someone told me they were thinking of starting a new station
anyway i watch nascar there is some very competetive racing i just watch the last 50 laps as for advertising it sucks but oh well commericals suck too

[Spiffu]

Speedtv = nascartv, i.e. 90% of the programming. Every couple weeks an F1 or ALMS race is shown, but in general, every day every other timeslot on speed tv has the word nascar in it. Back when it was speed vision we had WRC, touring car races, and a lot more variety. When Fox bought it, it all went to hell.

Ironically they can't show the races anymore. TNTHD, FoxHD, and ESPN2HD have the rights to them.

ALMS, Indy, and a few other series are on ABC, NBC, and ESPN. As long as you have basic cable you can see them.

[79TA]

Every now and then Speed gets it right and shows an interesting less publicized race. The Speed World Challenge was designed for that, but one would never know that given how little the Speed channel promotes it on its own airwaves. Yes, there is too much NASCAR programming on Speed, no doubt about it.

At any rate, I'm content with NASCAR's lack of fancier engines for now. Forced induction seems unnecessary given how many ways one can make insane power from 350 cubic inches of engine. Carberation isn't offensive to me. In some cases, its preferred for power over fuel injection. All the technology would be nice and showy, but it would do little for the performance or racing. It seems NASCAR doesn't want its cars getting any faster (ie restrictor plates and the new fatter cars) so raw power and overall speed don't require anything extra.

While driver weight isn't as important in NASCAR as in F1 where the driver makes up a greater percentage of the mass, I always do wonder why teams don't stress fitness more. Subway hasn't done much for Tony Stewart.

The only reason NASCAR is sooo covered in sponsorship is because it is successful and mainstream. It's just the sad side effect of success. This is another reason why ALMS is my favorite series.

[HeilSvenska]

Subway hasn't done much for Tony Stewart.
Eating 10 sandwiches for a meal doesn't really work as a diet.

Has anyone seen how Juan Pablo is these days though? He's massive!

[Spiffu]

And they're all meatball sandwiches.

Someone find a before and after of Pablo F1 to Nascar shots.

He probably can't fit in an F1 car now.

Signup regulations for Nascar drivers:

Ages: 17 - 70 years old
Height: 5'2" - 6'8"
Weight: 120 - 320 lbs

Bring your cup holder.

[SHIZL]

it isnt a dog and pony show,tony stewart is there to drive he isnt the normal groomed shutlip redneck he can drive alot of different shit and now he is going back to chevy badass highest paid driver in nascar now. u got to love how he treats the media alot of other drivers through out the world could learn alot from him kimi showed it a little the other week. i think the more weight they have on that left side the better they turn left haha

[arguapacha]

I would dare (in my infinite lack of knowledge on the subject) that F1 technology applied in normal cars is much much more subtle... stuff like research on materials, tire components, tire structures, fuel consumption, etc could find an easier way to road cars, although of course other series, like WRC and Endurance could give a lot more in the close future. Nascar, on the other hand, well... I do not find there something interesting, except hamburgers.

[Mattk]

^Well the premise of NASCAR is not to be high-tech. Not much that can be applied in regular cars because the competition cars themselves are fairly regular, being based on street cars.

[kestrel]

hello from the uk please seed nascar series 2008 sprint cup and nationwide series for 2008

[kestrel]

you think nascar is so bad you try pushing a car round a track at 170 mph and see who bottle drops and then accelerating to 206 miles per hours still pushing the guy infront of you then drop in down the track to take the lead and dropping speed to 196 mph doing laps at 17 seconds rather watch that than and f1 cars go round a track in a train formation after half of the race you dont see F1 cars finnishing on the finnish line 3 and 4 a breast at 196 mph

[silentm]

well quite drankly then what's the whole point of doing 300 laps? nascar is definately the most boring sport in the world to watch. i mean maybe aside from curling, but i can't decide ;)

[HeilSvenska]

^Why do we have 24 Hours of Le Mans?

[silentm]

nah that's beside the point. and are you trying to argument with that half assed/biased view of mine? ;)

[HeilSvenska]

Meh. Arguing's fun. ;-)

[kestrel]

v8 supercars are evern worse if you dont like train racing information nose to tail the v8 supercars do exactly the same the only was to pass is out brake the guy in front and that normaly means a crash and they both run off track - v8 suprecars races are won in the qualifing rounds as who ever gets pole wins 9 out of 10 races
at least with nascar you can over take safely to take the lead even if it is with a guy behind you pushing you and at 190 mph to 206 mph

[kestrel]

well one more to down load and ill have this years completed races in nascar sprint cup 2008

these new cars this year and the higher speeds also this year and design of the shape of the body shells front and back
now they can push each other round the tracks so the can go even faster than 200 miles per hour
as to get a bit more speed out of them to compnsate for the restricter plates
the action is all fun right down to the line
may as well paint to house while you watch formula 1 once the race starts and you see who's in front of who you may as well say he has won then cou can watch both the paint drying and the race see what is the most boring to watch

[DeMoN]

LOL I almost shat my pants on that clip!

actually BRB going to the bathroom

[Alelanza]

Straighter!!! lol
Seriously, couple times I sat down and truly tried to get it, but i just couldn't. I can see how technically it has merit, and after reading about it i can tell the drivers aren't idiots. But from a viewer's standpoint, i just don't know, all the multi overtaking/crashing, seems more like circus maximus than motorsport, cheap thrills, greasy hamburgers, hollywood blockbusters. To me aesthetics play a big part as well, and well, no points there either.