USA buy European cars!!!

[Arancia]

Europe is the mother of everything have a engine. Most of the car marques we know were born in the beginning of the last century, while the americans rode on horseback...
While the americans, to have 400Hp, must build an engine of 6000 cc. ( look at the new Corvette C6, The "Ferrari" of USA as they say...), We need only 3600 cc. (look at 360 modena).
They still use two valves for 1 cylinder, while we use generally 4 valves or 5 like Audi.
Their engines are steel-made while ours are aluminium-made.
We have the variable-phasing, they still use rod (bar?) and compensators.
What are the differences?
The american cars are much more heavy, more polluting and most of all they have high fuel consumption.
So guys, Who is the best?

[tigerx]

well american's cars might be low tech, but it's affordable ( at least for ppl here). european car are too expensive for a normal person. it's all depend on where you live though.

[RC45]

I expect RC to hit you hard....... :P

....must... resist... ... must ... resist urge... must resist... urge... must resist urge..... to.... kill.... ;)

[yugo]

the US cars are big cars. Heavy, ugly (no all) and poor engine.

[Cornutu]

I'm going to follow brembo on this one. but fyi, the Vette is aluminium block and it gets better mpg than a 911, a 360 a f355, a Murcielago wait a sek :shock: it has better gas mileage than every ferrari and lamborghini ever made. I agree the Viper is a engineering mishap. It is a horrible example of american cars, worse than the H2 (bleh) They both have awful interiors. Cadillac is a cockbarf. All European luxury cars own the cadillac. Especially the XLR which for 70k well nevermind that nonsense. Another thing you should note. A Mercedes in America comes with power windows. Something I noticed is that Mercedes of Madrid didn't have on their floor model of the SL500. Kinda sick. Need we start with the quality that you get in a FIAT or SEAT?

I sense you have another issue at hand. I can understand, at times I don't like America myself. Because I live in multiple countries, I can say that it has its lows and highs just like Italy, Spain, France and GB. I don't think the americans are looking for a fight with you. I think they would prefer peace for the trading benefits you provide. Unless of couse they find a way to use ferrari like an oil well. Might I also suggest you avoid a war with them based on your last encounter. :) :) :)
This is a joke. Take it as such. Peace

[AlienDB7]

Being an euro car fan, I would still drive an american car. Yes, they're "low tech" but that's because they stay with whatever works. Most modern american cars are pretty fuel efficient. In fact, a number of them are rated as most fuel efficient in its class. This is the list of most fuel efficient cars in Canada for 2003.

Two seater:
Honda Insight Hybrid

Subcompact:
Volkswagen New Beetle TDI (diesel)
Toyota Echo hatchback

Compact:
Honda Civic Hybrid

Mid-size:
Toyota Prius Hybrid

Full-size:
Chevrolet Impala

Station wagon:
Volkswagen Jetta TDI Wagon (diesel)
Pontiac Vibe
Toyota Matrix

Pickup truck:
Ford Ranger
Mazda B2300

Special Purpose:
Chrysler PT Cruiser

Van:
Oldsmobile Silhouette FWD
Chevrolet Venture FWD
Pontiac Montana FWD

Source: http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/031208/11/vuxf.html

As you can see, the jap cars dominated the subcompact segment because of the hybrid engines. When things get bigger, american cars are most fuel efficient than both jap and euro cars. In fact, the only euro cars that are on the list are vw TDI's. The thing is, although american engines are bigger and probably less efficient in terms of hp, they generate more torque in the low end. With more torque, you don't need 4000-5000rpm all the time during "normal" driving. High rpm = more fuel wasted. Not to mention, most american cars run on 87 octane and sold at a very attractive price :)

The most important variable in fuel efficiency is weight. It doesn't matter how much more efficient your engine is, you need to burn extra fuel when your car is 1500-1600kg or more for the big SUVs. You'll be surprised how much heavier euro cars are (those sold in north america) than the north american counterparts. All the extra soundproofing and electronics do add weight.

I'm not critizing euro cars, I love them. I'm just trying to state the facts here. It may only be true in the north american market but the same can be said about american cars outside north america.

[graywolf624]

Their engines are steel-made while ours are aluminium-made

The ls1 is all alluminum.
hp/liter means nothing.

The american cars are much more heavy, more polluting and most of all they have high fuel consumption.

More heavy then what? Something that costs 100000 more.. would it suprise you to know the corvette is lighter then the 550 by a significant amount.
More polluting.. yeah.. sure...

[he7lius]

They don't care about that.
When you live in a place where the fuel is as cheat as it is in the US, go cares??
Why does the Hummer2 weights 4 tons, and does at high revs 1MILE TO THE GALLON????
Or them the Cadillac with a 16 000cc engine.
If Europe build a 16 000cc engine it will take us to the moon and still consume less fuel does it does to go aroung the Top Gear test track :lol:

But as Ali G would say "respect". 0X

[nthfinity]

"most rigid standards of emmsions standards in the world, california" while they very state to state, the auto manufacturers build all thier models to the california standard. the main difference to us as far a s new vehicles is that we are legaly allowed to run 110 octain street legal in MI ... whereas california is limited to 92.
also, michigan deosnt require periodic visits to a dyno for emissions testing... thank god for the big three lobbiest :-D
and arancia, as greywolf aluded to the fact that hp/liter means nothing. its the torque band that is important, being that hp is a measurment between troque, and revs. the vette has almost 170ft. lbs. more then the 400 hp 360 modena

[Arancia]

I know that with my post somebody could be hit hard...
but you can't tell me that European cars (as japan cars) are on the same level of american cars... I'm speaking about technology, not about estetic or efficiency.
Probably we need this technology while you don't, but the fact is that your cars are made with a old mentality.
You have Indy championship, while we have F1 championship.
Indy cars are the best expression of USA car tecnology, while F1 cars are the best expression of European car technology...
Have you never seen a F1 car and a Indy car?
Have you never compare them?
It's true that the tracks where they run are often different, but this is not a good reason to say that between a F1 car and a Indy car there is a crater.
Do you know someone be called Montoya or Zanardi, 2 pilots who have run with Indy and F1 cars?
They said that the F1 really is the best technology car in the world.
The truth is that ,for once, Europe and Japan can only learn you how a car have be made!!!
You are first in many things, but in the car world you are behind us!!!
As Cornuto said, Peace!

[TT]

BTW.. I think we could discuss about that in the other topic about US vs Jap vs Europe, no? -> http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5881