Manual or F1?

[dropot2]

What kind of gearbox do you prefer? Manual or F1?
Although I think the F1 is more efficient, I would choose the manual...I would make that choice only because I love manual change but perhaps if I test a car with F1 levers I would change my option (but I doubt...)
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[Sachmo12345]

manual, instant shift instead of lag between shifts

[budagboy2]

well when jeremy clarkson drove the audi tt he said it takes .2 seconds to shift, and in a manual car it takes .5 more than the tt. So i would think that there is no lag if its shifting faster. For the first time today i drove on public road in a manual car and it was pretty sweet.

[aawil]

I think I'd go with a F1 box myself.Depends on the car really.

[Vansquish]

manual...more control over the engine and the engagement of the gears...that way if necessary one can put in some clutch slippage...something which cannot be done in an F1 tranny.

[asthenia]

Besides, a car with no gearshift looks stupid. So manual all the way. :wink:

[Apac102]

I love manual, but because F1 is faster.....Im going with F1. For me, its all about performance...but then manual is a blast too.....Im in a pickle. I chose both

[atlshaver]

Depends on the car I guess. I have only driven two - M3 and Ferrari 360 - and I still prefer a true manual.

[zevolv]

I have to say that the BMW SMG and Ferrari F1 boxes are very good they shift instantly I would buy one of those boxes but on anything else I would buy the Manual.

[cavallino]

A standard Manuel is what I would choose. It allows you to have more control over the car.

[SamuraiGti]

Manual for me, the only cars that i've driven with automatic/sequencial gear was the smart and the opel corsa. Very wide lag. of course that the ferrari and the smg of bmw doesn't comparison with that but, manual for me. I think it's better and you can control much better the engine =)

[cavallino]

A standard Manuel is what I would choose. It allows you to have more control over the car.

[veilsidebr]

I like more Manual way. And F1 is not fastest than manual. It depends how u make the upshifting. Manual is for good drivers. I love to heel and toe and double clutching when driving. F1 does it automaticaly. What´s the funny, so?
Manual is a real driving way, for good drivers. F1 is for begginers.

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[nchs09]

f1, just to feel closer to f1 racing, mean thats what ferrari is all about

[BADMIHAI]

I'd take a open gated H-shifter anytime, thank you. Preferabily in a Enzo...too bad they didn't put that as an option in the Enzo. Oh well, I guess I'll have to go with a F50 then.

[SFDMALEX]

Any tranny that has a manual clutch over a clutcles pedal shit.

They say its fast. And it is, but this is a debatible subject. In F1 they are needed simply because of the insane speeds, were you dont have time to reach for a gear lever.

In road cars a true manual will be better and faster. If you take the 360F1 and a 360 with a normail manual and run them around the track the the 360m will be faster as long as the driver knows what he's doing.

A true manual simply offers heeps more control over the F1. Its hard to explain unless you try. Try race sims then you'll understand :wink:

In a true manual you can shift a few gears at the time, in F1 you got to go one by one and when braking this is a big minus.....

[jeroen40]

Any tranny that has a manual clutch over a clutcles pedal shit.

They say its fast. And it is, but this is a debatible subject. In F1 they are needed simply because of the insane speeds, were you dont have time to reach for a gear lever.

In road cars a true manual will be better and faster. If you take the 360F1 and a 360 with a normail manual and run them around the track the the 360m will be faster as long as the driver knows what he's doing.

A true manual simply offers heeps more control over the F1. Its hard to explain unless you try. Try race sims then you'll understand :wink:

In a true manual you can shift a few gears at the time, in F1 you got to go one by one and when braking this is a big minus.....nothing to add....manual!

[nthfinity]

dont get me wrong, i love the enzo ferrari... and i wouldnt change anything about it.... BUT
the gated manuel is the best man machine interface out there, it puts your hand to the tires, left foot to power management, and right foot to power control... i seriously doubt you could go faster with exact same gear ratios, and rear end in a padle shift then with power shifting.
i do see the the advantage of the downshifting while breaking, there is no over use of throttle exiting the corners causing excessive oversteer.

[yugo]

The manual is more authenticate. The automatic is bad but of the gear box automatic of sports cars (BMW SMG, Audi DGS and Ferrari F-1) are wonderfull. The people that drive a good gear box automatic said is the best. This super automatic gear box spanish=(hacen el punto tacon por si solas, por lo que no pierdes nada de tiempo al entrar en una curva, porque te sube de vueltas antesde cambia de marcha para estar siempre altod e vueltas.)

[callen]

i think both are needed. on the track in an enzo ferrari u'll be glad u have the F1 transmission. IN a hyper car, it just makes sense this way u can get the most out of the car. and i have been reading reviews on the paddle shifter since the debut of the 360. over the years (from no personal experience, unfortunatly :( ) ive heard the paddles in the ferraris have gotten exponentially better. any other car than a ferrari. no paddles needed. i guess id take one in the stradale as well 8)
any other way i am taking a manual transmission on any car whenever it is available.

[brian]

honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes.

[jeroen40]

honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes.I share your thoughts, It slowly captures the market, honda and mercedes have them already, and other manufactures will follow quick..

[dylan99]

The two of them are great. With a manual you have more control to the car and with the most F1-paddles you get more of the car

[zevolv]

honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes.I share your thoughts, It slowly captures the market, honda and mercedes have them already, and other manufactures will follow quick..
Audi had the first and I doubt racing will use them not enough control of the engine

[brian]

yeah right... what race car driver would want optimum power at all times? :?

[zevolv]

When you go into a corner you don't want full power you want to drop the revs.

[brian]

you can't let off the gas a little? :?

[zevolv]

not always that simple with a controlled gearbox you can get full power but control the speed which is very useful

[brian]

I don't think you know what you're talking about dude... sorry. :mrgreen: How many CVT's have you driven?

[redbaron]

I prefer a manual, but I also like the proper F1-paddleshifts like DSG, SMG, Magnetti Marrelli F1. Someone ever tried a real sequential gearbox??


jeroen40 wrote:

brian wrote:
honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes.


I share your thoughts, It slowly captures the market, honda and mercedes have them already, and other manufactures will follow quick..


Williams had a prototype with CVT in 1993. Just after the first tests it was been forbidden by the FIA. A F1 car with CVT gives a really weird sound, at the start it climbs to its maximum revs and stays at maximum revs because there's no downshifting necessary for corners.

[zevolv]

I don't think you know what you're talking about dude... sorry. :mrgreen: How many CVT's have you driven?

2 thank you a Honda Civic and an Audi A4 1.8T

/\/\To the above/\/\ I have driven a powerglide which is the same idea you push it into an actual gear and pull it to down shift and it's instant like a manual but you just push it into gear instead of a standard H design

[redbaron]

There were CVTs in autosports in the past: http://www.ritzsite.demon.nl/DAF/DAF_cars_p17.htm

[brian]

just checking you sig.. you sure it wasn't your dad that test drove one?

[zevolv]

they weren't test dirves they were friends cars thank you, have you drivin any CVT's?

Oh and just because my dad owns them doesn't mean I don't drive them

[brian]

dude... redbaron proved you wrong with his first post after yours.. why are you continuing this? ...and that's real nice Dad let's you take his cars out.

edit: actually, don't bother answering... I don't need to get into it w/ you my first week at a new site.

[dropot2]

I think that the F1 paddles allows you to get the maximum performance of the car in a circuit...if you are driver with high skills. Because, honestly, it's not my case I would always choose the manual one which I believe it's funnier...
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[zevolv]

CVT doesn't have any gears technically you never shift the transmission. constant acceleration basically.

Also I found out Nissan has one aswell

[dropot2]

What that means? Automatic gearbox or simply one gear?
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[zevolv]

there are no gears inside of it and it never shifts because of that. so it isn't really an Automatic.
It is really hard to explain what it really is. Very extensive.

[dropot2]

and what happens if you want to rev the engine??
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[brian]

http://cvt.com.sapo.pt/toc_en.htm

[redbaron]

CVT is a continuously variable transmission, it contains two rotating disks , with a belt between it. The radius of the disk varies with the asked torque, so the transmission could always be ideal. The revs of the engine are constant (maximum torque/maimum power), the torque at the wheels can be varied with those disks. The revs only climbs when you drive away from a standing start, the revs will climb to the revs with maximum torque or maximum power at full throttle.

[karmann]

the manual tranny all the way! it makes you more connected with the machine, more in control! besides, most of the f1 (not to mention the standart automatic gearbox) are slower than a good driver. there are a few exceptions (the audis dsg...) but I would prefer to have slightly worse times (0-60, 1/4mile) but still have the fun and sweet sound (the lambos and ferraris) of the gear change!

[undien717]

The SMG on the M3 can shift gears in .08 sec-

However, I feel that no matter how fast a F1 gearbox may shift, it will never be as fun as shifting through the gears and pressing on the clutch yourself.

[porsche94]

for the track f1
for daily driving manuel

[jb2002smg]

In response to the previous posts about why we don't see more CVTs in sports cars. The main reason you don't see them in powerful cars is because the majority of CVT's on the road can't handle more than around 250hp. Audi has said that the max torque its current CVT can handle is 258lb-ft, the A4 3.0 only has 221lb-ft, so they're playing it safe. Until they can build chains/belts that can handle immense power, CVTs will be absent from Porsches, Lambos, and Ferraris.

[pimrusis]

F1 all the way, cause I can't drive stick. :oops:

[amanthapar]

theres no doubt that a paddle shift is more faster ...
but
theres no doubt that a manual is more fun...

id go for the manual.......................

[mazmazmaz1]

Depends on the car and its driver. But I think the F1 styled cars are faster cause shifting between gears is easier.