BMW vs Audi

[Porsche_Cayenne]

Maybe u have already talked about it, but I'm new here and I'd like to hear your opinions about this...

Seeing motors-look/image of Audi and BMW, which of these is the best (... sorry for my english....) ?
I think BMW has got a look very younger (3 series) and "sprinter...(!)" than Audi...
BMW's motors are most fast (I'm talking of 0-100 km/h too) than the Audi, right? Diesels too...
Anyway, here in italy a lot of people says that Audi rulez.... what do u think?

ciao :)

[TT]

Yeh there were already quite a lot of discussions about that and usually also Merc is considered... between Audi and BMW for me it would be very hard... I drive a BMW and I'm superhappy with it.. and I love Bangle's styling on the new models too... but Audis are great quality too, and the quattro AWD system is sure better than the one by BMW...
But well, older Bimmers like the 2002 are way more charming then old Audis maybe... but shit there is the original Audi Quattro!!! And both brands are successfull in racing..


Well, if I have to choose one, it would be BMW, but Audi is very very close!

[Porsche_Cayenne]

Uhm... so I think that the heart must decide :) ... I believe that I can say it in english... I've got a lot to learn :D

What do u think about my avatar...? (Considera che l' ho adattato alle misure con paint asdasdasdasdasd)

aloha

[godspeed06]

i like bmws the most, but i think audi is getting close.

[Porsche_Cayenne]

but my dad VW Passat is better than some A4 that I've seen.



THIS is interesting :D

See u tomorrow, here is 10:41 PM and my eyes are closing (?)...
aloha

[Matty]

isnt the vw the lower version of audi

[blah]

BMW all the way, is this really a question?

[Bavarias_Finest]

I'm a bimmer... so BMW. Some Audis have the same steering-wheel than a Seat Ibiza, and that's not good if you want to be compared with BMW and Mercs...

Audis Quattro Plus makes it a far superior handling car than BMW or Mercedes.....a steering wheel design is irrelevant

[Bavarias_Finest]

Yeh there were already quite a lot of discussions about that and usually also Merc is considered... between Audi and BMW for me it would be very hard... I drive a BMW and I'm superhappy with it.. and I love Bangle's styling on the new models too... but Audis are great quality too, and the quattro AWD system is sure better than the one by BMW...
But well, older Bimmers like the 2002 are way more charming then old Audis maybe... but shit there is the original Audi Quattro!!! And both brands are successfull in racing..


Well, if I have to choose one, it would be BMW, but Audi is very very close!

It all comes down to opinion and what I am saying is just that, but in reply to Chris Bangles new designs......"YOU DONT FIX WHAT AIN'T BROKE," I believe he ruined BMWs look, and now Mercedes and Audi are pulling far ahead in the market. I know of 3 BMW owners who have already resorted to buying new model Mercedes and Audis over the new BMWs. None the less the mid 90s and old E30s are beautiful, but why in the hell would anyone trust the guy who use to design for Fiat.... (Fiat is a good car, dont get me wrong, but not the prettiest by any stretch of the imagination)

[cho_888]

BMW all the way i cant get enough of the M3 i just love looking at it. Its on of those cars that i will still love to have 20 years down the track

[Bavarias_Finest]

The Quattro transmission is a point to be considered, and the new models seem to be diferent than other VAG models. May be they are getting closer... but my dad VW Passat is better than some A4 that I've seen.

VW and Audi are one in the same (VW owns Audi - Lambo....etc).....Passat is actually a higher end model considering it comes with a W8 in most cases and the A4 usually only has a 1.8T or 3.0 as of recently. Audi simply brings luxury and unmatchable handling.

[Bavarias_Finest]

BMW all the way, is this really a question?

BMW is fading fast.....sorry to say it.....performance is still there, but the styling that use to make it the buy over Merc and Audi is falling shorter than ever.

[blah]

not really, i like the new designs, especially the 6 series. Also we seem to forget what the McLaren F1 is powered by.

[snacky]

I'm a die hard 3 series fan/owner/driver cuz it's just so much easier and more fun to power out of a corner tail-out in a bmw than an audi.

if I wanted a quick 4wd car for snow purposes, I'd get a WRX/STI or Evo8.
if I were to get a luxury snow weather car, then I'd get an Audi,
Actually, if I were to drive in snow, I'd get a 4wd Expedition SUV so I can drive over snow mounds and not get stuck.

[novass]

Audi for me. im very happy with my A4. but to be completely honest, i wouldnt turn down a M3 or any other M car for that matter.

[Evo]

I like BMW a lot..
But lately after seeing the RS6. Audi started to mean something more than just a car which will brake down ever mile or so... :D
All thanks to Brembo.. :lol: :lol:

[WhiteP]

Neither of those :(

If I have to choose, I guess Bmw is the way to go..
Audi does have a superb interior, and a nice AWD system.. but it doesn't have a sporty feeling, like JC said, all audis are somewhat detached from the road, I think BMW is better.. they're sportier, u can feel the road from the steering wheel :)

[bmwdakias]

BMW ofcourse is a superior company when compared with AUDI. BMW's engines are far more sophisticated,motorsport tuned engines are magnificent and the inline six cylinder engines are appraised from every car magazine.BMW's steering feel is better too,quality is an area where both companys score really high and i cant find a clear winner. As far as i drive is concerned it is quite simply to use it just needs some getting used to it. The screen being located in the middle of the dashboard just makes it easier for the driver to look at it. AUDI's design might be simple and beatiful but its really BORING except the TT,BMWs are more interesting to look at and maybe a lot of people cant except the evolution in car design that easily,they probably need more time.So definetly BMW.Furthermore BMW's F 1 engine has the bigest horsepower. 8)

[yugo]

BMW is the best car. Confort, design, security and sport car. Audi is good but BMW is the best normal car (no ferrari, porsche, lamborghini, etc.).

[blah]

not really, i like the new designs, especially the 6 series. Also we seem to forget what the McLaren F1 is powered by.

we all got different opinions on the looks of cars, and the Bangle design isnt something you just think is ok, its either good or bad its nothing in the middle there.

We dont forget that, its no question that BMW know how to make engines,but a formula 1 car is hardly a BMW.
I know a lemans car aint either, but the cars that Audi used in dtm and rally where cars that you could buy with the same look for street use.

And the rally cars you could even be driving streetlegal with 600hp for the sport quattro...... :D

Im not talking about F1, im talking about the beast that is the McLaren F1 street car. it makes me horny to say the name.

[Bavarias_Finest]

not really, i like the new designs, especially the 6 series. Also we seem to forget what the McLaren F1 is powered by.

McClaren is actually owned by Mercedes Benz/Daimler Chrysler now, even though BMW designed the F1.

[karmann]

The BMW is known of its utterly, utterly wonderful straight-6 engines - probably the best in the world. you can see the genius of bimmer engineers also in the barkes, handling and the chassis (which its constructors say, "is faster than the engine")For several decades the bmw cars were styled in a certain style - a bmw style. when that !#@#$ chris bungle came into the bmw bodywork design division, he bullocked it all up with the bleedy 7 series, 5series, x3, and the z4 (which is not that terrible). ;(((( there are people who like the new bmw mad styling, but I am certainly not one of them. with the last bmw e46 descending from the factory production line, it will be the end of true,old school Bimmers...;(((
The Audi on the other hand, has first introduced to the wide audience the Torsen 4WD (its QUATTRO drive) i nthe 80s` (there also was the Jensen Interceptor, but it wasn`t the wide audience) - it is one of the best 4WD in the world (apart from the subaru 4wd). There is also a Haldex 4wd, but that is a crap (used in most of the VAG cars)- furthermore that crap is dangerous too...(the car may change its drivetrain characteristics in the middle of a fast turn...- with an unexperienced driver at the wheel, there is a very high risk of a disaster).
The audi also makes brilliant engines as well - the 1.8turbo (4cyl, 20v), the 2.7 v6 biturbo, 2.2 (5cyl, 10v or 20v) - these are VERY VERY durable engines with alot of power reserve (TUNE`EM UP!!!) inside.
It is my belief that the bimmer are more sporty, whilst the audis(quattro especially) are more daily, and all year rounders. it is my dream to have a BMW M5 E34 and Audi S2 or V8 4.2 (both heavily tuned) in my garage;)

[blah]

I never said BMW owns McLaren, i said it was powered by a BMW engine.

[Apac102]

Audi....look to your left. But M3 is still a beautiful car. I consider Audi and BMW close relatives

[COFair]

BMW for me. It just look GOOD! BMWs have a style, unlike the Audi.. The Audis are so common.. (i think) And they are slower.. :) BMW POWER!

[Fleischmann]

Well, there is this one little thing that has great influence on my decision, and it's called "handling". BMW all the way man :)

[jvail]

i belive that karmann have beautifully summed up the positive of both companys. depends on what you are looking for, but i belive that bmw is indeed the ultimate driving machine ( on dry pavement that is). i feel that if you know how to drive well, rear wheel have superior handle characteristics over all wheel and deff front. understeer is deffinetly horrible in any situation, i feel a true sports car has to be rear, but again there are few exceptions, all my opinion don't take anything personal

[karmann]

even if you know how to drive well, having 400hp (bmw e39 m5) on the rear axle on a wet/snowy road can be VERY VERY VERY difficult. the 4wd is deffinately better on snow-no matter what sort of 4wd it is. Jvail remember that FWD cars are said to be easier to drive for unexperienced drivers - I don`t get it; how can your front end running out of the curve can be safe?! well some say that its easier to handle FWD car in an extreme situation... yeah, but it isnt fun to;)!

[blah]

not a CSL.

[HeilSvenska]

Audis are beautiful, even with the new shield grills, but the new BMWs... vulgar

[pinnacle]

Audi. A8L on 24's

[jb2002smg]

Well, from my avatar and sig the choice should be obvious. I've owned 3 BMW's to date and driven almost every model, except the M1. I even learned how to drive stick on an 850Ci. Comparing the past 20 years of both BMW and Audi, I would have to say that BMW has more consistently provided a superior product in both quality, performance, and styling. Name any year in the past 30 and I can name a BMW produced that year that I wouldn't mind owning and driving on a daily basis. For me, the same cannot be said for Audi. I would have to go back to the early 80s (Audi Quattro Coupe) to find an "old" car from Audi that was as fun to drive as its contemporary BMW counterpart. It's true that Audi has been closing the gap in recent years. The new S4 is an amazing technical and (finally) a true competitor to the current M3. I continue to see M3 haters on the audiworld forums, and vice versa, S4 haters on the bmw boards. I tend to respect both. Competition is great for both companies, it provides us with better and better cars to choose from. If BMW hadn't released the current M5 with a class tromping 400hp, you think we would be seeing RS6's and E55's with 450+hp? It might have happened eventually, but certainly not as soon.

Comparing the past 2~3 years I've seen Audi getting closer and closer to BMWs level of performance. The current S4 is still a little slower in a straight line, but it can be faster than an M3 in conditions warranting AWD. The M3 is still a little quicker on the track, but other than myself and a few other guys I know, not a lot of people visit the track. In the past, I've see BMW and Audi as different cars companies for different types of people. Audi tended to have an older demographic, one that placed the mobility and "isolation" of an Audi interior above the 0-60times, and skidpad G's. I've always seen BMW drivers as a younger group that puts more emphasis on the performance and driving experience. This line between the average buyers of each is slowly disappearing. Like I said, competition is always good for business.

However, in my case, its BMW for life.

BMWs Owned and Driven by either me or my family:
1990 750iL My father's first BMW, ended up being my first car when he got the
1998 750iL
1993 850Ci 6-Speed
1999 323i
2000 X5 4.4i
2002 M3 Coupe SMG (Mine)
2003 745Li

Just for the record, I hate the new 7 in anything but very dark colors. My father's is black, which thankfully hides most of the horrible lines of the car. I also hate the Z4, it looks like it was sliced with a ginsu for the sake of looking different. I'm indifferent to the New 5, I'm reserving judgement till the new M5 comes in. And finally, I must say that I've liked the 645i since I first saw it. This is probably because the original design was conducted when Wolfgang Reitzle still had Bangle's designs in check (the current 3-series was the last model Reitzle oversaw before BMW let him go, which gave Bangle free reign to destroy the BMW lines).

For this reason, the new 6 will be a fluke of BMW design. Its the last car Reitzle had any impact on (aka. the last design not entirely guided by Bangle).

[ambry]

I agree with jb2002smg post above (except I like the new BMW Bangle designs). The Audi and BMW (at least the ones I have driven) have a very different driving feel. So I guess in the current high end models it will just depend on what the individual likes. But, when you look at the base models of each - the real difference is that Audi is a front wheel drive with weight distribution bias to the front end and BMW is rear wheel drive with more even weight distribution. I like the rear wheel drive set up of the BMW better.

[ulti3mat]

BMW for sure...It has everything, styling, power, handling...Audi isn't a bad car by no means...it just isn't as good as BMW in my Bias bimmer opinion

[coombsie66]

beemer all the way.
And with respect to those talking about how an M5 handles in the snow!!? Well the DSC is very complex and very gud, and unless u go climbing icey hills, the 4wd aint cunna help u, cus they still brake the same, and when ur off the throttle turning a corner, gunna b the same to. 0-60 in the snow, 4WD would win yeah, but i cant see that being important!
Not that many people wud drive their M5 or RS6 in the snow!! (all respect to those who do, uve got bigger balls than i!!)
I do see the relevance of 4wd in snowy, icey conditions, as ive bin very glad to have a capable land rover 300tdi in my hands in these very conditions. But in the context of this thread, and where the cars that audi and BMW produce fit in, i think snow is irrelevant!! (other than X5 and whatever the jacked up excuse for an off roader audi produce is!)

I dont mind the new bmw designs, they grow on u with time, and look better in real life. The new 7 series i hated when it first came out, now i like the 745i's i see around (the bigger alloys do wonders for them). I have yet to ride in one, and after being in S-class numerous times, its a hard act to follow.
BMW will always be a firm favourite of mine, after my father went from a chipped sierra saphire cosworth to an E36 M3, which gave the same performance, better reliability, quality, looks, and subtlety. Now mum has a 330ci, dad has an M5 and i really really want an M3!!!!!! (no chance for a few years!)

[Grein]

BMW's have become so boring, and so ugly now. That I don't even consider them anymore.

I would choose an Audi S2 over the E36 M3 any day, and any Audi competitor to the high-end BMW's.

First of all, the design of the new BMW's is hideous, even the BMW magazines are calling the design of the 5-series "questionable"... does that seem like a good sign?

The worst thing about BMW's is that too many people buy the car because of the brand, and the *bling* *bling*.

And last... the interior of the BMW's, if you buy a BMW with not that much extra equipment, then you have an interior that competes with Lada's in dullness.

[zevolv]

Not that many people wud drive their M5 or RS6 in the snow!! (all respect to those who do, uve got bigger balls than i!!)


I see it alot in the snow.

[Bavarias_Finest]

McClaren is actually owned by Mercedes Benz/Daimler Chrysler now, even though BMW designed the F1.

BMW didn't designed the Mclaren F1. They just produced the engine. Mclaren designed the F1.

Thats what I meant.....

[Bavarias_Finest]

Audis are made for the snow, I wouldnt say the same for BMW in most cases. I was driving home from Jersey, in the first snow storm we got this winter in my friends A4 1.8T....we saw about 18 accidents, as I didnt a steady 65-70 in the snow no problem, and in the process I counted about 5 or 6 of the accidents and disabled vehicles were BMWs.....BMWs handling in inclement weather is certainly not up to par with Audi and my example is only one of a thousand. The new S4 was rated better than the E46 M3 also......In the end it is personal preference, but handling wise Audi is much better. BMW does give you the better race car feel without a doubt.

[Bavarias_Finest]

Well, there is this one little thing that has great influence on my decision, and it's called "handling". BMW all the way man :)

If your basing it on handling......you pick Audi my friend, without a doubt the Quattro system gives it the edge. :roll:

[coombsie66]

Fair enuff, we dont get much snow here. When we do we use our landy, so Beemer 4 me!
There is a difference between handling and overall grip levels. From the tests ive read, i consider BMW to produce more balanced, and better handling cars than audi. But with the quattro system audi exhibit higher levels of overall grip. I aint got corner G-force data to back me up tho.

[amanthapar]

BMW kicks Audi's ass.... Bmw and mercedes are a closer comparsion...
and u newbie idiots dont just say that audi is better just because of its better quatrro system... u have to judge the 2 companies on theyre overall image , performance etc etc. balh blah yada yada...

[®™▪▪Å�чÑ�ίÂ]

I Think The BMW Is Better, Does Any One Know of The New M5 I Heard Rumours Of a 500bhp V10 :twisted:

[Bavarias_Finest]

BMW kicks Audi's ass.... Bmw and mercedes are a closer comparsion...
and u newbie idiots dont just say that audi is better just because of its better quatrro system... u have to judge the 2 companies on theyre overall image , performance etc etc. balh blah yada yada...

Im a car enthusiast, I dont care about the market numbers/shares or past image. The fact is most people care about performance and handling something Audi without a doubt has been edging BMW in. Needless to say their styling, thanks to Chris Bangle screwing up BMWs look, is a whole lot better too. For God's sake Audi got banned from auto cross because their suspension and handling was said to be too good.....how are you even going to compare.....???

Note: This is coming from someone that owns a Benz - had a Beamer

[Bavarias_Finest]

I Think The BMW Is Better, Does Any One Know of The New M5 I Heard Rumours Of a 500bhp V10 :twisted:

The new M5 spec's were released months ago.....its not a rumor......

[Bavarias_Finest]

i agree with Brembo.

BMW is not only a design disaster these days, but they truly are building the worst cars in their history....the reliability has gone downhill and the kids who know nothing about cars BLINDLY call BMWs their favourite cars. I used to like BMW in the 90s.....but now the i'm just sick of seeing them on the road and tired of reading "hype" about them.

Audis are very very solid cars and are fantastic all around performers. Mercedes is well above and beyond BMW. In fact, BMW has always tried to be better than Mercedes, so they make flashy cars, powerful cars, luxurious cars to TRY and equal Mercedes.....but in the end, they are NO MERCEDES.

:D Couldnt of said it better