Shelby GT 500 KR testing

[fordgt84]

Carroll Shelby riding shotgun in a prototype, vid of him talking about it, and another of its development


Carroll Shelby rides GT500KR development vehicle - YouTube

Carroll Shelby talks about the Shelby GT500KR - YouTube

Ford's Shelby GT500KR development vehicle - YouTube

it sounds like a beast :twisted: and i want one really bad

[pagani]

Will be interesting to see how it compares handling wise whit the normal shelby gt500

[nthfinity]

Will be interesting to see how it compares handling wise whit the normal shelby gt500

this car corners much more flatly, doesn't induce very much dive under braking, has a balance leading toward more oversteer... they only look similar really, and have the same chassis ;)

No matter what the vette people say, it is directly comparable to a C6 in performance characteristics ;)

[RC45]

On principle I am anti anything that Shelby touches from now on.

The mans treatment of the people who have supported his products and maintained his history over the last half century is disgusting and appalling.

Loser is the word that comes to mind.

And no matter what the Ford people say - its still just a Mustang with a sticker pack ;)

[pagani]

this car corners much more flatly, doesn't induce very much dive under braking, has a balance leading toward more oversteer... they only look similar really, and have the same chassis ;)

No matter what the vette people say, it is directly comparable to a C6 in performance characteristics ;)

So they fixed the handling problems on the gt 500.
I wonder how that translate to real life driving.

[yg60m]

Nice sound for a supercharged car (is it ? ) Bugatti should take example ;-)

[pagani]

On principle I am anti anything that Shelby touches from now on.

The mans treatment of the people who have supported his products and maintained his history over the last half century is disgusting and appalling.

Loser is the word that comes to mind.

And no matter what the Ford people say - its still just a Mustang with a sticker pack ;)
whit a live axle
:laugh::laugh::mrgreen:

[Minacious]

Love the way it sounds, hate the way it looks.

[nthfinity]

On principle I am anti anything that Shelby touches from now on.

The mans treatment of the people who have supported his products and maintained his history over the last half century is disgusting and appalling.

Loser is the word that comes to mind.

And no matter what the Ford people say - its still just a Mustang with a sticker pack ;)

wow man... that really is pretty ignorant of the facts (assuming you are talking about SAAC v. Shelby)

[RC45]

wow man... that really is pretty ignorant of the facts (assuming you are talking about SAAC v. Shelby)

Facts as I have read about and attitude as I have seen publicly displayed.

Unless some major development happened in the last month, I don't see any reason to change my opinion - especially based on who initiated the action.

And it is Shelby vs SAAC - as he filed suite first.

[nthfinity]

Carroll Shelby Licensing Responds to Comments by Ken Eber and Rick Kopec
Saturday December 8, 1:04 am ET


GARDENA, Calif., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Carroll Shelby, CEO of Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., (CSL) has issued a statement in response to allegations made by the owners of the organization formerly known as the Shelby American Automobile Club.
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"I wanted to explain my concerns to the members of the Shelby American Automobile Club directly, but couldn't because SAAC has refused to give me a list of its members, even though the licensee agreement with SAAC requires them to allow me access to their books and records. So I am being forced to share the facts through a news release.

Rick Kopec and Ken Eber, two of the individuals who run the for-profit business called SAAC, have said that they don't know why we didn't renew their annual license. That's not true. We've sent e-mails, made phone calls and mailed letters explaining our concerns for quite some time. Except for the message noted at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm> http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm, they went unanswered. For the past several years, I've repeatedly told them that I was unhappy with their disregard of the reporting requirements of their license agreement and the way they managed the club. And, for the past eight years, their business hasn't kept the terms of its extremely favorable agreement with my licensing company, Carroll Shelby Licensing.

Here are the primary reasons that we did not renew the license for this business:

-- For many years, I loaned truckloads of memorabilia to the club and provided 1960s production records for the registry; Kopec and Eber promised that everything would be returned to me whenever I asked. In fact, that's what Kopec admits to on page 11 of the last printed edition of the "Shelby American World Registry," which was published in 1997. But they have refused to do so, and I'm told they have sold many of the items, like cancelled Shelby American checks, over the Internet and the like. This is not what anyone had in mind when I let them borrow my things, or my licensing company granted them a license.

-- Under the terms of their licensing agreement with CSL, they were required to provide annual and quarterly sales reports, as well as certified statements of sales and a full audit. Also, if requested, they were to allow us 'free and full access' to their books, records and accounts. They have not done any of these things, even though I've personally asked them many times.

-- They've never provided proof of the basic liability insurance required by the license agreement. This could expose me personally and all of my companies to enormous liability.

-- They failed for nine years to even ask for, much less receive advance approvals from CSL of the thousands of products and product designs they've been selling under license, even though the license agreement clearly states that this failure is grounds for "immediate" termination.

-- They didn't even pay the $1 per year licensing fee for the past nine years.

-- CSL not only has the right not to renew SAAC's license (which was made for only one year at a time for a reason), but in light of their continued disregard for the license agreement requirements, my trademarks and other intellectual property rights are at great risk if I allow this to continue.

Kopec and Eber say SAAC has 5,000 members who pay almost a quarter-million dollars in dues each year. Then there are advertising revenues, sponsorships and money made at the SAAC national convention. In return, from what I can tell, members receive just one mediocre publication and a couple of classified advertising newsletters.

And where is the Registry that has been promised year after year? The last one was published 10 years ago. I have received many calls from people who have paid hundreds of dollars for a Registry; they have threatened lawsuits against me and my companies because they have not received their book. The basic information in the Registry about colors, how many cars were built, etc., should be regularly updated and available online for instant access by members.

Kopec and Eber recently offered sponsorship of the club to a kit car maker. I have no issue with the individuals who buy kit cars and love the Shelby brand. But, would GM let Chrysler sponsor the Corvette Club? Would Harley Davidson ignore an attempt by Kawasaki to sponsor the Harley Owners Group?

I tried for years to address changes that should be made, but my requests fell on deaf ears. Some of the correspondence concerning this matter can be found at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com/> www.shelbylicensing.com (http://www.shelbylicensing.com/). So my licensing company and I asked Eber and Kopec to return the 1960s records and items they originally promised to give back to me, as well as those they have collected over the years using my name under license. And I told them that they can't use my name or the name of my company anymore, and to dispose of their inventory as required by the license agreement.

Now they want club members to give them hard-earned money to defend their business interests. Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me when they won't even tell anyone, much less my licensing company, how much money the club has made over the years collecting member dues and selling 'Shelby' memorabilia and merchandise for a royalty fee of only $1.00. Are they fighting me because they're really afraid for the Registry or do they fear giving us financials, which they've been required to do, but refused?

Shelby enthusiasts, as well as SAAC club members and registrars deserve better. They should have a club that provides good value and benefits everyone who is involved. They deserve a club that leverages technology to share information and runs events that encourage people to enjoy their cars. They deserve to be treated with class and respect. To say that Team Shelby will negatively impact the value of Shelby cars is ridiculous.

I've received probably 250 telephone calls from people asking me to check on whether a particular Cobra or Mustang they wanted to buy is authentic. The next thing I hear from them is that Ken Eber has bought it. Where I come from, when there's that much smoke there's usually some sort of fire!

Also, I've been told many times by members that Ken Eber has said that he doesn't need Carroll Shelby. Well, now he won't have to bother with me and I won't have to bother with him. And, it seems to me that they make enough money that they don't need to go around poor-mouthing to the Club members to finance their legal defense fund against me. Shame on both of them! And, as far as Ken and Rick's associate, Mr. Pardee, the Club members should ask him how much of my personal memorabilia is being stored in his garage that, by all rights, should come back to me. Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that?

The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work.

It's my right to stop letting someone use my name and the name of my legacy company, Shelby American, when they won't listen to me or keep the terms of the licensing agreement they signed many years ago. Team Shelby won't be run that way. You have my word on it."

About Carroll Shelby Licensing

Automotive manufacturer and entrepreneur Carroll Shelby is one of the most famous and successful high performance visionaries in the world. In 1998, he founded Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., which is the exclusive holder of trademarks and vehicle design rights for some of the most famous muscle cars and high-performance vehicles. CSL also holds trademark rights for Shelby- branded apparel, accessories and collectibles. For additional information about the company or licensing opportunities, call (310) 914-1843 or visit www.shelbylicensing.com (http://www.shelbylicensing.com/).

SAAC broke the license agreement. I don't know about you, breaking a signed accord in a profitable business isn't such a keen thing to do after many years of mutually beneficial....

[RC45]

*dupe*

[RC45]

SAAC broke the license agreement. I don't know about you, breaking a signed accord in a profitable business isn't such a keen thing to do after many years of mutually beneficial....

I could go search and post the SAAC counter, but the bottomline is that he would have nothing to retake if it were not for the likes of SAAC et al.

It is a rather transparent run to grab what little bit of the legacy is left - and some legacy there - aren't Shelby shares trading at abtou .36c?

If the contention is that SAAC is for "profit" - lets see ho wmuch cool cash they made over the years keeping the torch going while Shelby all but ignored anyone who enjoyed his cars and creations of the past?

And what happens when he kicks the bucket? Another slew of legal battles as the heirs battle it out over whats left?

Quite frankly, once he "sold the cars" any all data records and information poertaining to the cars, the owners and collectibles is no longer his to lay claim to - even if it has his name all over it.

The only ones who will out of this will be the lawyers.

Sad way to close an era if you ask me. :)


Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that?

Isn't this the same defense OJ Simpson is using in Vegas ? ;)

I can see it now "If the badge aint legit - you must aquit"...

One final thing..


The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work.

This is a slight change of attitude that wasnt displayed initially... and was part of the original concern that hi s lawsuite actually extends to include the regional and local chapters... maybe the old coot i shaving a change of heart after all ;)

[nthfinity]

I could go search and post the SAAC counter, but the bottomline is that he would have nothing to retake if it were not for the likes of SAAC et al.

It is a rather transparent run to grab what little bit of the legacy is left - and some legacy there - aren't Shelby shares trading at abtou .36c?

If the contention is that SAAC is for "profit" - lets see ho wmuch cool cash they made over the years keeping the torch going while Shelby all but ignored anyone who enjoyed his cars and creations of the past?

And what happens when he kicks the bucket? Another slew of legal battles as the heirs battle it out over whats left?

Quite frankly, once he "sold the cars" any all data records and information poertaining to the cars, the owners and collectibles is no longer his to lay claim to - even if it has his name all over it.

The only ones who will out of this will be the lawyers.

Sad way to close an era if you ask me. :)

I don't see this as an eternal battle unless Carol kicks the bucket very soon (which is possible). One of the problems that Shelby sees is that SAAC refuse to modernize their business... people have offered, with the official Shelby blessing no less...

in case you didn't know, SAAC didn't have much information to begin with, Carol Shelby had the information, and licensed the information to SAAC with the agreement that it was a two way street.

This is not dissimilar to the suites between ex-employees of FML, and the owner of FML over the theft of an intellectual property... the said lists are extremely useful for a bushel of reasons.

[RC45]

I don't see this as an eternal battle unless Carol kicks the bucket very soon (which is possible). One of the problems that Shelby sees is that SAAC refuse to modernize their business... people have offered, with the official Shelby blessing no less...

in case you didn't know, SAAC didn't have much information to begin with, Carol Shelby had the information, and licensed the information to SAAC with the agreement that it was a two way street.

Well, SAAC has claimed Shelby cashed their cheques but just doesnt remember - so it is going to be a "he say she say" for a while at least.

Up for debate is also that other than the historic docs etc, much o fthe property may not have been his to "license".


This is not dissimilar to the suites between ex-employees of FML, and the owner of FML over the theft of an intellectual property... the said lists are extremely useful for a bushel of reasons.

Well, either way, I have to side with the "little guy" until its proven he isnt the shark in this one :)

[graywolf624]

No matter what the vette people say, it is directly comparable to a C6 in performance characteristi

Concept car...Actual car you can buy..
Yup directly comparable... Sure..

[nthfinity]

Well, SAAC has claimed Shelby cashed their cheques but just doesnt remember - so it is going to be a "he say she say" for a while at least.

Up for debate is also that other than the historic docs etc, much o fthe property may not have been his to "license".



Well, either way, I have to side with the "little guy" until its proven he isnt the shark in this one :)
If it were Shelby himself who was cashing the checks, then that may well be the case :P

but it isn't Shelby, I believe its his daughter or something... who is running the business now, and doing amazing things... even if you don't know about them ;)

Siding with the little guy? sounds a little ... i better not say it ... emotional judgment

hehe

[PaulGT2164]

given carol shelby's long time devotion to his passion, as well as kindness towards fans and other charitable organizations, i do believe there is more to this than meets the eye.

I have been lucky to drive many of his products, i have driven a real 427 and a real 289 cobra, i have also driven several real gt350s and gt500s. I have not driven anything newer of his, but i do not really consider anything newer a true shelby. He was a pioneer then, more of a "badge" it seems now.

[fordgt84]

to all those who say that the current shelby cars are just mustangs with badges that have no real involvement from shelby himself, is like asking if night comes after day...its quite obvious.

i mean the man is like 1,398 years old, do u really expect him to spend hours, days, months even, testing whether the suspension or power delivery of a car is right? no he lets the younger boys do it.

why get all political about a car when u can simply enjoy it for what it is, in this case a car that looks good, sounds gr8 and will probably handle better than the normal gt500 (i'm indifferent about that car). what happened to just liking a car? u see one or hear one and u say " yep i like it"... it seems these days many of u want the car to have the popes blessing or something, or that it has signed some sort of non-nuclear weapons treaty

keep it simple guys :-)

[graywolf624]

as well as kindness towards fans and other charitable organizations
Does going after replicas with cobra badges count as kindness?

years old, do u really expect him to spend hours, days, months even, testing whether the suspension or power delivery of a car is right? no he lets the younger boys do it.

If thats the excuse then how does that apply to the 80s dodge shelby dakotas. The mans a businessman, not a racer.

[fordgt84]

If thats the excuse then how does that apply to the 80s dodge shelby dakotas. The mans a businessman, not a racer.

yes and don't forget the 80s dodge charger :clap:

saying he's not a racer is pushing it though, we all know he was a gr8 driver b4 he started modifying mustangs and ac cars.

i never denied that shelby likes to do business, but cuz of his age he is even less likely to have a full time development job now then he did back then, so there's no reason to get bent out of shape when u find out he didn't decide after how many seconds should the 8th cylinder receive fuel after the 5th...and in the 80s u gotta look at the cars of the time, this was american cars at their worst, america simply wasn't making good cars in the 80s

and besides everyone uses famous names to get their cars on the market; chevy is using the ZR1, subaru used richard burns' name (RIP) with rb5 and rb320, mercedes 63 amg cars have 6.3l badges when they're really 6.2l etc.

[graywolf624]

saying he's not a racer is pushing it though, we all know he was a gr8 driver b4 he started modifying mustangs and ac cars.

Hes not a racer.. He was a racer. He hasnt been in a race in 30 years. And before you point out his age how old was Paul Newman in his last Lemans run?

I'm admitedly not a fan of Shelby. Not because of his cars.. but because of how he treated the replica community. The man has always come off as a sleezy used car salesmen to me.

america simply wasn't making good cars in the 80s
There were a few good, at least compared to the rest of the world at that time, American cars in the 80s. Shelbys name wasnt attached to them.

[fordgt84]

^ what does paul newman have to do with this? dawg ppl are different, isn't he more of an actor? anyhoo i'm sure u'd be enthusiastic about racing down mulsanne straight at insane speeds knowing u could have a heart attack at anytime, that's why shelby retired...i also remember shelby winning a le mans race, did newman?

[graywolf624]

^ what does paul newman have to do with this? dawg ppl are different, isn't he more of an actor? anyhoo i'm sure u'd be enthusiastic about racing down mulsanne straight at insane speeds knowing u could have a heart attack at anytime, that's why shelby retired...i also remember shelby winning a le mans race, did newman?
Newman came in second in the 24 hour race, was a very famous racer for Nissan.. And won his last race, the 24 hrs at daytona, at 70. Caroll Shelby hasnt raced a car since the 50s. Your right two different people.. but I don't believe that he quit racing for health reasons to be honest. I strongly believe it was the green stuff. He simply made more money with his cars. Can I prove it? No. Can I show you he has a long history of borderline ethical business practices... Yes. Nothing illegal mind you, but plenty I find sketchy.

[gangajas]

The first unit has been sold for 605,000 $

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/19/barrett-jackson-2008-first-2008-shelby-gt500-kr-sells-for-605/

[fordgt84]

^ thanks for the link it looks sick in that color

Newman came in second in the 24 hour race, was a very famous racer for Nissan.. And won his last race, the 24 hrs at daytona, at 70. Caroll Shelby hasnt raced a car since the 50s. Your right two different people.. but I don't believe that he quit racing for health reasons to be honest. I strongly believe it was the green stuff. He simply made more money with his cars. Can I prove it? No. Can I show you he has a long history of borderline ethical business practices... Yes. Nothing illegal mind you, but plenty I find sketchy.

well i guess the only way u can find out if he retired for the cash is if u could somehow read his mind...i think that might be a bit difficult :laugh:

like i said before i don't deny that shelby likes to do business, and as for newman it seems that he happens to be good at his second passion, but u also gotta remember that he started racing very late, where as most full time drivers retire before they're even 40, e.g michael schumacher and jackie stewart

[nthfinity]

fordgt84, one of the world's most talented race drivers, Darek Bell is retiring in a week or few after Daytona? (or is it Sebring?) ... he was winning races at the same time when Carol Shelby was a winning team principal in the 60's for Ford's European racing... 50 years later, he's still racing ;)

then again, very few can compare to Bell
. Can I show you he has a long history of borderline ethical business practices... Yes. Nothing illegal mind you, but plenty I find sketchy.
Based on this, you should REALLY REALLLY hate General Motors as a company ;) ;)

[rave426]

I was going to pre-order one of those, just so I can flip it to a collector so I could make money to buy me a new M3... :)

The damn dealer told me they would only get one and the dealership owner was buying it for 75K :(

[nthfinity]

I was going to pre-order one of those, just so I can flip it to a collector so I could make money to buy me a new M3... :)

The damn dealer told me they would only get one and the dealership owner was buying it for 75K :(

MSRP is going to be near 80K it looks like

Also..
0-60 recorded on a drag strip @ 3.8 seconds
1/4 mile trap speed of 117 mph
1+ g lateral handling
800? ft. slolam @ 72.5 mph
60-0 in 108 ft.

HOLY HELL :)