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nthfinity
12-30-2007, 02:26 PM
Pristine 16
Perfect Patriots just keep winning like a broken record, writes Dan Pompei

PATRIOTS 38, GIANTS 35
Dan Pompei
December 30, 2007

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- It wasn't a game so much as a coronation, an acknowledgment that the New England Patriots are indeed the perfect team -- at least for a regular season.

They defeated the New York Giants 38-35 Saturday night in a contest that meant nothing -- except whether the 2007 Patriots would have a place in history. There were no playoff implications for the Giants, who already had the fifth seed in the NFC playoffs secure, or the Patriots, who had the top seed in the AFC.
Yet it was a fiercely contested game played in a playoff atmosphere. Neither coach Bill Belichick nor counterpart Tom Coughlin gave a thought to pulling starters. The Giants moved to within three points with 1:04 remaining, but Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel recovered New York's onside kick to effectively end the game.

Afterward, Belichick quoted his old boss, Bill Parcells, when asked about the Patriots' approach to the game.
"A coach I worked for used to say, 'There are no meaningless games when you're playing in them,'" Belichick said. "I believe every word of it."

Years from now, we will remember the undefeated Patriots, the only team in NFL history to go 16-0 in the regular season.

Years from now, we will remember Tom Brady like he was Saturday night -- resilient, cool and deadly.

Years from now, we will remember Randy Moss flying past defenders as he was Saturday night.

Years from now, we will remember little Wes Welker confounding the opponent with tough catches and impossible elusiveness like he showed against the Giants.

The Patriots' 16th triumph came in the same stadium where they had their first victory. That game, a 38-14 victory over the New York Jets, was the beginning of more than a run of dominance. The Jets turned in the Patriots for videotaping their sidelines that day in Giants Stadium. The resulting "spygate" controversy marred the Patriots' accomplishments in the eyes of some but also gave wings to the Patriots' "us against the world" mentality.

The Patriots were videotaping again Saturday, except this time it was Brady with his personal camcorder, recording the moments for posterity. No one tried to confiscate the tape.

"Everyone is going to enjoy this one," said Brady, who threw for 356 yards and completed 32 of his 42 passes.

"This happens once every 35 years," he added, referring to the Miami Dolphins' perfect season in 1972.

After the game Belichick sought out Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis, his old offensive coordinator, and greeted him with an embrace on the field. Those in the Patriots' locker room for the postgame private team meeting described a "touching" celebration in which a few tears were shed. It was an emotional night, with the Patriots falling behind 28-16 before clawing their way back into the game.

The Patriots finally let loose with some of the emotions they had been suppressing since September.

"That was some way to finish the season," Belichick said. "It's really something to be part of this team and what they accomplished today."

The Patriots even spoke of taking time to savor their feat before resuming preparations Thursday for their first playoff game the week after next.

"Right now, it's party time," said Patriots cornerback Ellis Hobbs, who intercepted Eli Manning in the fourth quarter.

The touchdown that turned the game around was historic. With 11 minutes 6 seconds remaining, Brady hit Moss for a 65-yard touchdown pass past safety James Butler. The touchdown was Brady's 50th of the year, which passed Peyton Manning's record for most touchdown passes in an NFL season. The touchdown reception was Moss' 23rd of the year, which passed Jerry Rice's mark for most touchdown catches.

The 65-yarder was the second touchdown of the night between the star duo, as Moss caught a 4-yard pass from Brady in the first quarter.

The Patriots had the No. 1 scoring defense in the league going in, but they gave up a touchdown on the opening drive of the game. The 21 points the Giants scored in the first two quarters were the most the Patriots allowed in a first half this year, and the performance raised some questions about the Patriots defense heading into the playoffs.

If Manning (251 passing yards and four touchdowns) gave the Patriots problems, what might big brother Peyton do for the Colts in a game that means something? Then again, will it matter, given what Brady and his offense are capable of?

Playing without the starting right side of their offensive line, the Patriots also had protection issues. Brady usually was savvy enough to compensate by avoiding pressure, throwing the ball away or dumping it off. But he was continually hit, hurried and forced to adjust with his feet and his throws.

The Patriots will need better protection -- and better defense -- against the better teams they will face in what might be a more dramatic postseason than many of us thought it was going to be.

"We can do better all across the board," Belichick said.

But this was a night to focus on perfection, not flaws.


I was talking to somebody last night about this win, and my words, to sum it up is that the win is basically a let down of sorts... an anti-climax. The perfect season for so many years has been a pipe dream... an unattainable goal. The patriots proved this "impossible deed" could be done. Years to come, they will be remembered as one of the greats football has ever seen in one team... and perhaps already have that to some fair degree... That is why I watched it.

I'm not a gridiron fan, and have a tough time watching the game, but I have tremendous respect for it as a sport.

pagani
12-30-2007, 05:06 PM
I was talking to somebody last night about this win, and my words, to sum it up is that the win is basically a let down of sorts... an anti-climax. The perfect season for so many years has been a pipe dream... an unattainable goal. The patriots proved this "impossible deed" could be done. Years to come, they will be remembered as one of the greats football has ever seen in one team... and perhaps already have that to some fair degree... That is why I watched it.

I'm not a gridiron fan, and have a tough time watching the game, but I have tremendous respect for it as a sport.

American footbal is gay.
Give me rugby any day of the week.

gucom
12-30-2007, 05:43 PM
lol im not into either sports, but I wonder... what would happen if you pitched a top rugby team against a top NFL team? Say, they play 2 matches, 1 according to American Football rules, 1 according to Rugby rules... who'd win?

graywolf624
12-30-2007, 06:29 PM
If they cant convert in the playoffs then itll be no different then the dolphins.. a hollow victory.. stay tuned.

nthfinity
12-30-2007, 08:26 PM
American footbal is gay.
Give me rugby any day of the week.
Ok, so what are your thoughts on the perfect Grid Iron season?

lol im not into either sports, but I wonder... what would happen if you pitched a top rugby team against a top NFL team? Say, they play 2 matches, 1 according to American Football rules, 1 according to Rugby rules... who'd win?

then make a topic about it, and instead of being anti grid-iron, reply to the said topic on topic? I know its not that hard...

antonioledesma
12-30-2007, 09:42 PM
rugby and football are both gay :mrgreen:
but not as gay as soccer. The sport I practice and see most on tv is soccer... and I know many players are gay as they can get.... faking fouls and injuries, cowards, etc :angry:

styla21
12-30-2007, 09:54 PM
rugby and football are both gay :mrgreen:
but not as gay as soccer. :angry:

Really? Rugby is a gay sport? How did you reach that conclusion?!
Maybe i'm missing your sarcasm :?:

nthfinity
12-30-2007, 09:54 PM
rugby and football are both gay :mrgreen:
but not as gay as soccer. The sport I practice and see most on tv is soccer... and I know many players are gay as they can get.... faking fouls and injuries, cowards, etc :angry:


This isn't a topic of Grid Iron vs. the world. :thumbdown:


What are your thoughts on the perfect season?

antonioledesma
12-31-2007, 12:41 AM
Really? Rugby is a gay sport? How did you reach that conclusion?!
Maybe i'm missing your sarcasm :?:

sorry if I didn't make my point clear. Of course you need 2 big balls to play rugby and football.

This isn't a topic of Grid Iron vs. the world. :thumbdown:


What are your thoughts on the perfect season?

Nth, is it forbidden to talk about something else in the topic? If it is, please tell me and I'll stick to it.
I really hope *EDIT* my reply doesn't break these*EDIT* :
"- don't talk back to Admins/Moderators
- questioning site rules / Admin decisions is only leading to one thing..."

with the perfect season, I don't know. 18 years ago I decided to support NE because didn't I know a single patriots' fan (even arizona, tampa, etc had supporters back then). Now I've mixed feelings, they're the most powerful team in the NFL, but the current line up hasn't won my heart at all.
It is an achievement, but IMO it will only be as big as the Dolphins' if they win the superbowl.

nthfinity
12-31-2007, 02:28 AM
sorry if I didn't make my point clear. Of course you need 2 big balls to play rugby and football.



Nth, is it forbidden to talk about something else in the topic? If it is, please tell me and I'll stick to it.
I really hope *EDIT* my reply doesn't break these*EDIT* :
"- don't talk back to Admins/Moderators
- questioning site rules / Admin decisions is only leading to one thing..."

with the perfect season, I don't know. 18 years ago I decided to support NE because didn't I know a single patriots' fan (even arizona, tampa, etc had supporters back then). Now I've mixed feelings, they're the most powerful team in the NFL, but the current line up hasn't won my heart at all.
It is an achievement, but IMO it will only be as big as the Dolphins' if they win the superbowl.

All I'm doing is steering the the conversation away from a "us versus them" mentality... heck, I'm not particularly a fan of football, or rugby, or soccer... don't prefer any TBH... and have tremendous respect for all of their abilities.

There is no issue with talking about comparing the sports, but there can be a thread about it started by whosoever wants to.... I didn't make that topic, nor do I want this topic mudded up with such things... is that too much to ask? Thanks :) now lets give it a rest ;)
~~~

It is true that the patriots weren't much of a team for many years.. and I can associate the feelings you had rooting for them with my own misguided "hometown" love of the Detroit Lions... a team I don't think will ever win a Superbowl in my lifetime... and only 7 years ago, had eleven straight losses in a row... yet somehow managed to not get a no.1 draft pick for the following year....

but.. the Pats are now a powerhouse... maybe not directly comparable to the Yankee's, or Chicago Bulls of the 90's.. they are headed that way, and it will be "easy" to hate on NE now :P.

pagani
12-31-2007, 07:59 AM
I meant soccer and american football is gay

rave426
12-31-2007, 10:30 AM
I was talking to somebody last night about this win, and my words, to sum it up is that the win is basically a let down of sorts... an anti-climax. The perfect season for so many years has been a pipe dream... an unattainable goal. The patriots proved this "impossible deed" could be done. Years to come, they will be remembered as one of the greats football has ever seen in one team... and perhaps already have that to some fair degree... That is why I watched it.

I'm not a gridiron fan, and have a tough time watching the game, but I have tremendous respect for it as a sport.

I played football and I am a huge fan. A perfect season is just insane in today's NFL. It is especially interesting how the Patriots go about winning. Most of their team are veteran "pro-bowlers." One would say, "how did they get so many good people," but the truth is most of these players either demanded a trade due to problems or were seen as being on their "downslope" of play. And RANDY MOSS...I have always been a huge fan becaues I think he may be the most "talented" football player of all time......not the "greatest", but the most talented per his respective position. The man is 30 yrs old, can run a 4.3 - 40 yard dash, top speed is faster than damn near everyone, jumps with anyone, and can catch balls most people only dream off - outstanding. I hope they will go all the way.

American footbal is gay.
Give me rugby any day of the week.

American football isnt gay....its much more safe. I played football, and I have been playing rugby for about a year now. I am big (265), but I am "linebacker build" and very fast for my size (fastest on my college team) so they played me at wing and inside center. I must say that Rugby is an incredible sport that has an almost cult like atmosphere. Every position in rugby takes more "balls" than any position in football, but football takes more skill in certain positions. I do love rugby, but being in America, it doesnt bring out the passion in me like football does. :)

pagani
12-31-2007, 01:26 PM
Anyway i only care about motorsport.

RC45
12-31-2007, 02:09 PM
Anyway i only care about motorsport.

I'm with youon that one - except Formula 1 - that seems to be getting more gay by the season.

Pretty soon D1 will be better than F1 ;)

rave426
12-31-2007, 03:16 PM
^^^^ Hopefully not..