Zonda F @ Nordschleife - The Full Onboard Record Lap

[Svensson]

Here's the moment we've been waiting for: The full onboard video of the Zonda F's record breaking Norschleife lap!

First the "emotion" clip to get in the mood:
:arrow: http://www.supercarmovies.com/html/contentEPISODE5trailer.php
And the downloadable .flv file:
:arrow: http://www.runimation.businesspage.at/RecordEmotion.flv (13.6 MB)

And now for the full onboard lap:
:arrow: http://www.supercarmovies.com/html/contentEPISODE5movie.php
And the downloadable .flv file:
:arrow: http://www.runimation.businesspage.at/Record.flv (67.2 MB)

Be sure to crank the volume knob open, you will love this one... :twisted:

[f1legend]

:shock: :shock: :shock: That is unbelievably fast.

[gangajas]

Amazing car. I want one!!! How much does it cost? :D :oops:

Thanks for the links

[MIHALS]

oh my .... what a sound :drool:

A MUST HAVE!!! :twisted:

thanx svensson :wink:

[TNT]

I think i just wet myself a little amazing car! thanks a bunch!

[nthfinity]

There have been questions as to what constitutes a full lap on NS... 26,600 meters, or 26,823 meters. This lap was timed at 26,600; and would need an additional 3-4 seconds to make those last 223 meters.

It's become quite popular now to use the 26,600 meter as standard, where as only a few years ago, the standard was 26,823 meters... so there is quite the perceived notion that cars are going "that" much faster then they were just a few years ago.

The lap is incredibly fast, no doubt.... but to compare what the underpowered CGT did (compared to the Zonda F CS) with non-ideal dry tires, (but good wet tires)... and did 4 years ago already... such is technology. the F ought to be faster, its newer, and more powerful... and can get that power down to the road with greater success.

What is crazy to think is that a 997 GT2 can lap NS in 7:32 (apparently 26,823 meters) ... with only 500 ish HP :P

[twboy1999]

anyone got a map of the 266000 meter one and the 26823 meter one?

[f1legend]

The 7:32 lap of the Supertest was exactly the same distance. You see the T13 is missing. This is the reference lap distance.
Furthermore you seem to forget that the Porsches have been developed at the Ring, while Pagani paid it an occasional visit and set a record. This is a huge achievement.

[Svensson]

There have been questions as to what constitutes a full lap on NS... 26,600 meters, or 26,823 meters. This lap was timed at 26,600; and would need an additional 3-4 seconds to make those last 223 meters.

It's become quite popular now to use the 26,600 meter as standard, where as only a few years ago, the standard was 26,823 meters... so there is quite the perceived notion that cars are going "that" much faster then they were just a few years ago.

The lap is incredibly fast, no doubt.... but to compare what the underpowered CGT did (compared to the Zonda F CS) with non-ideal dry tires, (but good wet tires)... and did 4 years ago already... such is technology. the F ought to be faster, its newer, and more powerful... and can get that power down to the road with greater success.

What is crazy to think is that a 997 GT2 can lap NS in 7:32 (apparently 26,823 meters) ... with only 500 ish HP :P

Interesting points, but don't forget that Porsche has over 40 years of racing experience on the Nordschleife, whereas the Pagani company is just 15 years old and has never raced any of its cars on the Ring, except for some testing.

[Svensson]

anyone got a map of the 266000 meter one and the 26823 meter one?
Watch the lap video, you'll see the timer start at a different position than where it stops.

[sentra_dude]

Fantastic videos. :D 8) I really like the first one...excellent editting and wonderful sound from that Zonda! What a car! :D

[yg60m]

Wonderful find !! Thanks a lot dude :D

[chest3r]

That looks easy !! :D

I would like to see a bit more oversteer :P

[Svensson]

^ Yeah... and then you can add 10 seconds to the laptime :P
Traction control was working its ass off by the way... watch the red blinking light next to the steering wheel.

[stmoritzer]

nice find dude!

[Skaala]

THANKS!

[autohabit]

Thanks, I enjoyed that.

[TT]

BTW, for the curious ones, the record braking car is the actually the same seen in my indepth time ago :).

I actually had a passenger ride in this car :D

[chest3r]

^ Yeah... and then you can add 10 seconds to the laptime :P

Who cares about that :P :lol:

BTW does anyone knows the driver ??

[Svensson]

BTW, for the curious ones, the record braking car is the actually the same seen in my indepth time ago :).

I actually had a passenger ride in this car :D

I still remember your original topic about it and how amazed I was from reading your experience!
Must have been an awesome ride and it makes for a cool chat in the pub to be able to say you've had a ride in the actual record breaking car :P

^ Yeah... and then you can add 10 seconds to the laptime :P

Who cares about that :P :lol:

BTW does anyone knows the driver ??

Onviously mr. Pagani himself cares, because he wouldn't have had the record then... :wink:
The driver was Marc Basseng.

[Svensson]

Thanks for the pics Dani! That thing just looks so menacing, especially in the first pic! I love those broad hips :P

[jakaracman]

TC on? In my book, thats cheating ...

[Svensson]

TC on? In my book, thats cheating ...
Because the Official Nordschleife record rulebook says you can't use traction control? :P

[jakaracman]

No, just because in my book, thats cheating.



I still (kind of old-fashioned) belive that driver should determine how much torque goest to wheels, not computer ...Whats next, computer driving and driver going :wanker: ?
Well, at least FIA agrees with my way of thinking, banning driver-aids (dont you wonder why theey are called that) in F1 :clap:

[silentm]

Hell yeah :twisted: nice videos :drool:

[Svensson]

No, just because in my book, thats cheating.



I still (kind of old-fashioned) belive that driver should determine how much torque goest to wheels, not computer ...Whats next, computer driving and driver going :wanker: ?
Well, at least FIA agrees with my way of thinking, banning driver-aids (dont you wonder why theey are called that) in F1 :clap:

I definately agree with you, the less driver aids in this case, the better. And I'm really happy F1 won't use TC next year. But my point is, as far as I know all other record breaking production cars used some sort of TC on the Ring. How does one decide which is allowed? Should ABS be allowed? What about the new active suspensions like magnetic ride? That's also some sort of driver help.

I don't think car manufacturers really care when going for the record. All that matters to them is to have their car from start to finish in the shortest time. Whether the driver is faster with traction control or without... to them a record lap is a record lap and if switching on all the driver aids will make the car even faster, then they'll definately do that. Here it's not the point who's the better driver with the most sensitive right foot, but which car is the fastest.

[sheruken]

That is increadible! Considering the track was partial wet (?? am I right?)..

[tforth]

I have always liked the various Zondas. They are an incredible achievment from such a small company.

However, in terms of engineering acomplishments; getting a rear engined (much lower power AND much higher weight), steel chassis, based on a 40 year old design, around the auto industry's benchmark track in about the same time, IMO deserves the greater kudos...

Don't get me wrong, the 997GT2 is not anywhere near as nice a car; it's just the bigger engineering accomplishment.

[jakaracman]

No, just because in my book, thats cheating.



I still (kind of old-fashioned) belive that driver should determine how much torque goest to wheels, not computer ...Whats next, computer driving and driver going :wanker: ?
Well, at least FIA agrees with my way of thinking, banning driver-aids (dont you wonder why theey are called that) in F1 :clap:

I definately agree with you, the less driver aids in this case, the better. And I'm really happy F1 won't use TC next year. But my point is, as far as I know all other record breaking production cars used some sort of TC on the Ring. How does one decide which is allowed? Should ABS be allowed? What about the new active suspensions like magnetic ride? That's also some sort of driver help.

I don't think car manufacturers really care when going for the record. All that matters to them is to have their car from start to finish in the shortest time. Whether the driver is faster with traction control or without... to them a record lap is a record lap and if switching on all the driver aids will make the car even faster, then they'll definately do that. Here it's not the point who's the better driver with the most sensitive right foot, but which car is the fastest.

I'll never consider this run when talking about fastest laps there. TC and stuff are not forbidden so record set with them are all nice and "legal", just not for me ...
As for active suspensions: no, I dont think they're driver aids. Driver has no influence over workihng of suspension while driving and it does not correc mistakes. Good supension (active or not) makes the car able to go faster - yet I takes the driver do do it. Stability system correct mistakes, so ...

[MidEngine4Life]

This made me start looking up lap times. Its amazing how the relatively inexpensive Corvette Z06 is faster around the NS than a McLaren F1
http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=476

[Svensson]

^ well, it's not that the driver has a pleasant drive with the traction control switched on anyway - the driver is correcting and controling the rear constantly.

I mean... this is not a racecar, and this is not racing. The important thing here is the car and if it's the fastest or not around the Ring. If it's faster using the TCS, better for them, I don't see a problem on that.

Exactly.. this is not a race. This record is all about which car is the fastest, not about who's the best driver. I even think it's an advantage if a car is faster with TC, because that proves that the system does its job, which can be another selling point for the car.

BTW jakaracman, tell me which record you do count as being "legal" in your book.. Because as far as I know, virtually all recent Ring records were done with either TC, ABS or even both switched on. So that "true record" list of yours won't be very long I'm afraid..

[jakaracman]

ABS doesnt bother me ...Any half good sports/race driver can live with or without - its basicaly the same for driver. ESP is another thing altogether ...

Radicas, Donkervoorts, Mr CSL, all SportAuto laps, 997 GT" (Rohrl) and so on and so on are done with ESP off or the car doesnt have ESP. So ...

[jakaracman]

ABS doesnt bother me ...Any half good sports/race driver can live with or without - its basicaly the same for driver. ESP is another thing altogether ...

Radicas, Donkervoorts, Mr CSL, all SportAuto laps, 997 GT" (Rohrl) and so on and so on are done with ESP off or the car doesnt have ESP. So ...

[pagani]

26 km is whit the the grand prix strecke they use only the nordshleife for the lap records.
Anyway that is a fast car love the flyby.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/Nordschleife.png
:arrow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nordschleife.png
:D 8)

[c0wb0y007]

These videos are so nice. The atmosphere is fantastic and the car super cool.

BTW: the driver is indeed Marc Basseng, who usually drives the Land Motorsport Porsche (RSR)


Cheers