View Full Version : 2008 Bullitt Mustang
HeilSvenska
10-25-2007, 05:55 PM
http://media.ford.com/images/special_events/102507_bullitt.jpg
saadie
10-25-2007, 06:23 PM
the shelby GT looks better then any other mustang :P
HeilSvenska
10-25-2007, 07:35 PM
Yeah, but not as awesome!
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/ford-mustang-bullit.jpg
BULLITT! BULLITT! BULLITT!!!!!
only 3 weeks away!
HeilSvenska
11-06-2007, 10:08 PM
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/11/sf_bullitt.jpg
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/11/medium_1893821207_011b0cf533_o.jpg
HeilSvenska
11-06-2007, 10:08 PM
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/11/sf_bullitt.jpg
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/11/medium_1893821207_011b0cf533_o.jpg
nthfinity
11-06-2007, 10:51 PM
the shelby GT looks better then any other mustang :P
you should see the accidental 9 copo Mustang's!
GT500 engine, GT body with just a few cobra and other bits... very very sleek.
hopefully they don't meet the car crusher
nthfinity
11-06-2007, 10:51 PM
the shelby GT looks better then any other mustang :P
you should see the accidental 9 copo Mustang's!
GT500 engine, GT body with just a few cobra and other bits... very very sleek.
hopefully they don't meet the car crusher
Zot09
11-07-2007, 01:38 AM
Mustangs are cool and all, but that live rear axle just kills it for me :roll: :? :|
Zot09
11-07-2007, 01:38 AM
Mustangs are cool and all, but that live rear axle just kills it for me :roll: :? :|
MidEngine4Life
11-07-2007, 03:39 AM
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MidEngine4Life
11-07-2007, 03:39 AM
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Mustangs are cool and all, but that live rear axle just kills it for me :roll: :? :|
:roll: Oh give it a rest already, I doubt you've ever driven a car hard enough to really even need IRS. They had IRS in previous Cobra versions but had problems with things breaking, especially under the stresses of drag racing. Ford fixed the problem . . . with a tried and true live rear axle. I'd take a racecraft watts link rear suspension equipped Mustang over all sorts of IRS cars.
I think it's better that Ford take the IRS flack (from people who aren't that enthused by Mustangs to begin with) rather than hear about people breaking rear axles at various drag strips. If one really does like the Mustang and is that troubled by the lack of IRS, there are plenty of aftermarket solutions.
Random trivia: Did you know that Ford actually had an IRS unit designed for the original Mustang? They did but decided it was too costly and people wouldn't really know the difference anyway.
Mustangs are cool and all, but that live rear axle just kills it for me :roll: :? :|
:roll: Oh give it a rest already, I doubt you've ever driven a car hard enough to really even need IRS. They had IRS in previous Cobra versions but had problems with things breaking, especially under the stresses of drag racing. Ford fixed the problem . . . with a tried and true live rear axle. I'd take a racecraft watts link rear suspension equipped Mustang over all sorts of IRS cars.
I think it's better that Ford take the IRS flack (from people who aren't that enthused by Mustangs to begin with) rather than hear about people breaking rear axles at various drag strips. If one really does like the Mustang and is that troubled by the lack of IRS, there are plenty of aftermarket solutions.
Random trivia: Did you know that Ford actually had an IRS unit designed for the original Mustang? They did but decided it was too costly and people wouldn't really know the difference anyway.
Zot09
11-07-2007, 04:01 AM
Mustangs are cool and all, but that live rear axle just kills it for me :roll: :? :|
:roll: Oh give it a rest already, I doubt you've ever driven a car hard enough to really even need IRS. They had IRS in previous Cobra versions but had problems with things breaking, especially under the stresses of drag racing.
Random trivia: Did you know that Ford actually had an IRS unit designed for the original Mustang? They did but decided it was too costly and people wouldn't really know the difference anyway.
Yes, I haven't driven the Mustang hard enough to really need an IRS. Hell, I haven't driven my car hard enough to really take advantage of my IRS. But having an IRS just makes the car feel so much more stable during a turn, that's all I'm saying. I feel so much more comfortable taking a turn at 40 in my car than in my roommates Mustang.
Yes, LRA's are great for drag racing, something that Mustangs are good at. I just prefer a car that feels more stable during a turn.
As for the trivia, no I did not know that. I learn something new every day. But I did know that the reason Ford went with the LRA is to save costs.
Zot09
11-07-2007, 04:01 AM
Mustangs are cool and all, but that live rear axle just kills it for me :roll: :? :|
:roll: Oh give it a rest already, I doubt you've ever driven a car hard enough to really even need IRS. They had IRS in previous Cobra versions but had problems with things breaking, especially under the stresses of drag racing.
Random trivia: Did you know that Ford actually had an IRS unit designed for the original Mustang? They did but decided it was too costly and people wouldn't really know the difference anyway.
Yes, I haven't driven the Mustang hard enough to really need an IRS. Hell, I haven't driven my car hard enough to really take advantage of my IRS. But having an IRS just makes the car feel so much more stable during a turn, that's all I'm saying. I feel so much more comfortable taking a turn at 40 in my car than in my roommates Mustang.
Yes, LRA's are great for drag racing, something that Mustangs are good at. I just prefer a car that feels more stable during a turn.
As for the trivia, no I did not know that. I learn something new every day. But I did know that the reason Ford went with the LRA is to save costs.
I'm saying that LRA's are decent for handling as well. I don't think IRS makes cars so drastically more stable in a turn, especially at 40. You're entitled to your opinion though. My Trans Am is stable despite its live rear axle. That's in part due to its nice wide stance, low CG, and decent rubber. I don't go off-roading with it and the body roll is minimal, so I don't find the linear connection between my rear wheels to be much of a hindrance.
IRS offers two basic advantages, neither of which make a car arbitrarily more stable in 40 mph flat curve. IRS, better controls the camber of the wheels in order to maintain the largest contact patch possible. If the car isn't leaning a lot, isn't drving at 10/10 competition pace, and isn't driving over very very sloped ground, this is hardly an issue at all. The other advantage does more to affect real world driving. In short, one wheel going over a bump will do less to upset the traction of the other. Once again, I haven't done any offroading nor have I charged into a field of potholes, so it's really not a major issue.
I'm sick and tired of people arguing the advantages of IRS in vague, unsubstantiated terms such as "stability" and "modern," when the advantages on decent roads are hardly a factor and especially if it saves you 2 grand. The Jeremy Clarkson-esque girder talk doesn't cut it.
I'm saying that LRA's are decent for handling as well. I don't think IRS makes cars so drastically more stable in a turn, especially at 40. You're entitled to your opinion though. My Trans Am is stable despite its live rear axle. That's in part due to its nice wide stance, low CG, and decent rubber. I don't go off-roading with it and the body roll is minimal, so I don't find the linear connection between my rear wheels to be much of a hindrance.
IRS offers two basic advantages, neither of which make a car arbitrarily more stable in 40 mph flat curve. IRS, better controls the camber of the wheels in order to maintain the largest contact patch possible. If the car isn't leaning a lot, isn't drving at 10/10 competition pace, and isn't driving over very very sloped ground, this is hardly an issue at all. The other advantage does more to affect real world driving. In short, one wheel going over a bump will do less to upset the traction of the other. Once again, I haven't done any offroading nor have I charged into a field of potholes, so it's really not a major issue.
I'm sick and tired of people arguing the advantages of IRS in vague, unsubstantiated terms such as "stability" and "modern," when the advantages on decent roads are hardly a factor and especially if it saves you 2 grand. The Jeremy Clarkson-esque girder talk doesn't cut it.
Furthermore, it's not even fair to compare the current Mustang to leafspring cars such as mine. The current Mustang is one of the first cars to be outfitted with a 3-link rear suspension but it gets no credit because the magic three letter acronym isn't present. The 3-link found in the Mustang is well thought out (the geometry offers good roll bind) and very tunable. My favorite example, of course, is the PJ Mustang with the Watt's link. 3-links are much lighter than IRS units (and more than make up for any difference that there may or may not be in unsprung weight).
In summary, the unrecognized 3-link makes a good roadracer and drag racer while saving weight and money. I think it's an appropriate fit for the everyman's pony car. I'm sure Ford will have a beefed up IRS unit out soon enough. (next gen/facelifted Mustang?) Modern Mustangs' handling woes can more realistically be addressed with shocks, stiffer bushings, and stiffer coil springs.
The overhyped IRS talk makes me wonder if people are more concerned with bragging about features on their cars or actually turning corners. I wish people would try to understand how the performance actually differs half as much as they worry about a lack of a three letter acronym.
Furthermore, it's not even fair to compare the current Mustang to leafspring cars such as mine. The current Mustang is one of the first cars to be outfitted with a 3-link rear suspension but it gets no credit because the magic three letter acronym isn't present. The 3-link found in the Mustang is well thought out (the geometry offers good roll bind) and very tunable. My favorite example, of course, is the PJ Mustang with the Watt's link. 3-links are much lighter than IRS units (and more than make up for any difference that there may or may not be in unsprung weight).
In summary, the unrecognized 3-link makes a good roadracer and drag racer while saving weight and money. I think it's an appropriate fit for the everyman's pony car. I'm sure Ford will have a beefed up IRS unit out soon enough. (next gen/facelifted Mustang?) Modern Mustangs' handling woes can more realistically be addressed with shocks, stiffer bushings, and stiffer coil springs.
The overhyped IRS talk makes me wonder if people are more concerned with bragging about features on their cars or actually turning corners. I wish people would try to understand how the performance actually differs half as much as they worry about a lack of a three letter acronym.
nthfinity
11-07-2007, 09:26 AM
Don't believe a LRA can handle? Did you see what Roush did with the Mustang? Saleen?
The SHelby KR (or Supersnake, I can't remember which) is actually able to out skidpad a Ford GT.. sure not as nimble. But... .95g no matter what your feelings on IRS vs. LRA is much much more then what most IRS cars actually can muster up ;)
the base Mustang GT is .88... which again, is more ;)
Skidpad is one of the quantifiable means of describing handling.
nthfinity
11-07-2007, 09:26 AM
Don't believe a LRA can handle? Did you see what Roush did with the Mustang? Saleen?
The SHelby KR (or Supersnake, I can't remember which) is actually able to out skidpad a Ford GT.. sure not as nimble. But... .95g no matter what your feelings on IRS vs. LRA is much much more then what most IRS cars actually can muster up ;)
the base Mustang GT is .88... which again, is more ;)
Skidpad is one of the quantifiable means of describing handling.
pitfield
11-07-2007, 09:29 AM
All this skidpad crap, lateral grip is not a black and white refl;ection of a cars handling.
pitfield
11-07-2007, 09:29 AM
All this skidpad crap, lateral grip is not a black and white refl;ection of a cars handling.
gangajas
11-07-2007, 09:49 AM
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
gangajas
11-07-2007, 09:49 AM
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
nthfinity
11-07-2007, 10:00 AM
All this skidpad crap, lateral grip is not a black and white refl;ection of a cars handling.
I know its sometimes tough to read what others say, but I said "one quantifiable method of describing handling"
It's really funny when I hear the euro's keep talking about some 1.2 liter FWD hatch POS and say it handles better then a Corvette LMAO
nthfinity
11-07-2007, 10:00 AM
All this skidpad crap, lateral grip is not a black and white refl;ection of a cars handling.
I know its sometimes tough to read what others say, but I said "one quantifiable method of describing handling"
It's really funny when I hear the euro's keep talking about some 1.2 liter FWD hatch POS and say it handles better then a Corvette LMAO
fordgt84
11-07-2007, 02:02 PM
more pics
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.1L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini2L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini3L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini4L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini8L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini10L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini15L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini12L.jpg
it looks nice...but i have one problem with it and thats its power, 315hp which is 5 less than the original from 1968...350 hp plus maybe would've been good
:arrow: LINK to video post
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53875
fordgt84
11-07-2007, 02:02 PM
more pics
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.1L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini2L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini3L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini4L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini8L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini10L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini15L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/11/7/9071107.002/9071107.002.Mini12L.jpg
it looks nice...but i have one problem with it and thats its power, 315hp which is 5 less than the original from 1968...350 hp plus maybe would've been good
:arrow: LINK to video post
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53875
HeilSvenska
11-07-2007, 02:18 PM
^There's plenty of room in the engine for an easy fix.
I was skeptical about its looks, but this looks great!
HeilSvenska
11-07-2007, 02:18 PM
^There's plenty of room in the engine for an easy fix.
I was skeptical about its looks, but this looks great!
gangajas
11-07-2007, 03:55 PM
It looks great, but Ford could have added a little bit more power.
gangajas
11-07-2007, 03:55 PM
It looks great, but Ford could have added a little bit more power.
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
That's a terrible representation of a solid rear axle. Remember all the girder talk? They don't just bend like that. A LRA car bouncing straight up and down will NOT affect the camber of the wheels. With IRS however, the camber can be affected if the bouncing gets too severe. For easy to see evidence of this, look at the wheels on a trophy truck while in mid air and right after landing. The effect illustrated in the gif is not what makes IRS superior. Find one that shows the IRS keeping one wheel stable while the other handles a bump or something. :roll:
Ford should do something about the power on their various special edition Mustangs. The quick intake/exhaust jobs don't seem like enough for the legendary Bullitt. I suppose it's supposed to defer to the Shelby GT though (which could also use a power boost. 340 hp?).
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
That's a terrible representation of a solid rear axle. Remember all the girder talk? They don't just bend like that. A LRA car bouncing straight up and down will NOT affect the camber of the wheels. With IRS however, the camber can be affected if the bouncing gets too severe. For easy to see evidence of this, look at the wheels on a trophy truck while in mid air and right after landing. The effect illustrated in the gif is not what makes IRS superior. Find one that shows the IRS keeping one wheel stable while the other handles a bump or something. :roll:
Ford should do something about the power on their various special edition Mustangs. The quick intake/exhaust jobs don't seem like enough for the legendary Bullitt. I suppose it's supposed to defer to the Shelby GT though (which could also use a power boost. 340 hp?).
gangajas
11-07-2007, 05:39 PM
Here is a beautiful picture of a IRS at work:
http://i22.tinypic.com/9kwkso.jpg
gangajas
11-07-2007, 05:39 PM
Here is a beautiful picture of a IRS at work:
http://i22.tinypic.com/9kwkso.jpg
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
That's a terrible representation of a solid rear axle. Remember all the girder talk? They don't just bend like that. A LRA car bouncing straight up and down will NOT affect the camber of the wheels. With IRS however, the camber can be affected if the bouncing gets too severe. For easy to see evidence of this, look at the wheels on a trophy truck while in mid air and right after landing. The effect illustrated in the gif is not what makes IRS superior. Find one that shows the IRS keeping one wheel stable while the other handles a bump or something. :roll:
Ford should do something about the power on their various special edition Mustangs. The quick intake/exhaust jobs don't seem like enough for the legendary Bullitt. I suppose it's supposed to defer to the Shelby GT though (which could also use a power boost. 340 hp?).
Not only is that bad example, it's the FRONT suspension. It's comparing Mcphereson strut to the double wishbone setup . . . for crying out loud.
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
That's a terrible representation of a solid rear axle. Remember all the girder talk? They don't just bend like that. A LRA car bouncing straight up and down will NOT affect the camber of the wheels. With IRS however, the camber can be affected if the bouncing gets too severe. For easy to see evidence of this, look at the wheels on a trophy truck while in mid air and right after landing. The effect illustrated in the gif is not what makes IRS superior. Find one that shows the IRS keeping one wheel stable while the other handles a bump or something. :roll:
Ford should do something about the power on their various special edition Mustangs. The quick intake/exhaust jobs don't seem like enough for the legendary Bullitt. I suppose it's supposed to defer to the Shelby GT though (which could also use a power boost. 340 hp?).
Not only is that bad example, it's the FRONT suspension. It's comparing Mcphereson strut to the double wishbone setup . . . for crying out loud.
gangajas
11-07-2007, 05:55 PM
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
That's a terrible representation of a solid rear axle. Remember all the girder talk? They don't just bend like that. A LRA car bouncing straight up and down will NOT affect the camber of the wheels. With IRS however, the camber can be affected if the bouncing gets too severe. For easy to see evidence of this, look at the wheels on a trophy truck while in mid air and right after landing. The effect illustrated in the gif is not what makes IRS superior. Find one that shows the IRS keeping one wheel stable while the other handles a bump or something. :roll:
Ford should do something about the power on their various special edition Mustangs. The quick intake/exhaust jobs don't seem like enough for the legendary Bullitt. I suppose it's supposed to defer to the Shelby GT though (which could also use a power boost. 340 hp?).
Not only is that bad example, it's the FRONT suspension. It's comparing Mcphereson strut to the double wishbone setup . . . for crying out loud.
Sorry, you are right, I took the pics directly from Google, I should have entered the page. Here is their representation of a LRA:
http://i7.tinypic.com/870jwqq.gif
LRA with a Panhard bar:
http://i16.tinypic.com/6kzb3ib.gif
Current Mustang's LRA:
http://i10.tinypic.com/7xwgcj7.jpg
Old Cobra's IRS:
http://i19.tinypic.com/81jiphu.jpg
gangajas
11-07-2007, 05:55 PM
Mustang's rear suspension:
http://i20.tinypic.com/b7b9jc.gif
Independent rear suspension:
http://i23.tinypic.com/sosuo3.gif
That's a terrible representation of a solid rear axle. Remember all the girder talk? They don't just bend like that. A LRA car bouncing straight up and down will NOT affect the camber of the wheels. With IRS however, the camber can be affected if the bouncing gets too severe. For easy to see evidence of this, look at the wheels on a trophy truck while in mid air and right after landing. The effect illustrated in the gif is not what makes IRS superior. Find one that shows the IRS keeping one wheel stable while the other handles a bump or something. :roll:
Ford should do something about the power on their various special edition Mustangs. The quick intake/exhaust jobs don't seem like enough for the legendary Bullitt. I suppose it's supposed to defer to the Shelby GT though (which could also use a power boost. 340 hp?).
Not only is that bad example, it's the FRONT suspension. It's comparing Mcphereson strut to the double wishbone setup . . . for crying out loud.
Sorry, you are right, I took the pics directly from Google, I should have entered the page. Here is their representation of a LRA:
http://i7.tinypic.com/870jwqq.gif
LRA with a Panhard bar:
http://i16.tinypic.com/6kzb3ib.gif
Current Mustang's LRA:
http://i10.tinypic.com/7xwgcj7.jpg
Old Cobra's IRS:
http://i19.tinypic.com/81jiphu.jpg
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