Dakar 2008 update 07-01-08:rtl gp update

[pagani]

Yes in few shorts monts it's dakar time again.
Their will some changes in the truck class
Here are some testing movies of one of the dutch teams in the truck class
http://www.finstral-rally.com/testaxor.htm
http://www.finstral-rally.com/test2.htm
http://www.finstral-rally.com/test3.htm

Team the rooy will use iveco engines for their rallytrucks.

And some disturbing news
The kamaz crew got caught testing in the netherlands
http://www.trucksfromholland.nl/images/newsimages/12-09-07_kamaz_test.jpg
http://www.trucksfromholland.nl/images/newsimages/12-09-07_kamaz_test2.jpg
Feel free to post dakar news from your own country's
:D 8)

[pagani]

BMW is rumoured to have offered Colin McRae's X3 Proto to Marcus Grönholm now that he's retired and they're looking for a new driver.
That is some interesting news.
8)

[pagani]

The dutch ginaf rally power team testing in france
http://www.ginafrallypower.nl/fotovideo/videos/videos-2007/grp-test-op-merival-fr.html
8) 8)

[pagani]

Yes the truck class champion hans stacey will return to dakar in 2008.

The 2008 Dakar Rally begins on January 5th. The 2007 truck winner, Team Exact-MAN is stronger than ever and signed up for another 3 year participation. With the theme 'Man with a Mission 2' the team will keep up the struggle for another victory.

As part of MAN Truck & Bus (PON Holdings), the team is allowed to use the name 'semi-works team'. Hans Stacey continues to be the first driver. Fred van Putten (Ex-MAN, DAF and ROVER) manages the team. The team participates with 4 racetrucks and 1 press car with, among others, Olav Mol inside
The kamaz boys will get their ass kicked for the second time.
:D 8)

[pagani]

Here are some videos to warm you up for the 2008 dakar rally.
The natural enemy of the dutch truckers.
KAMAZ Dakar / Master Rally - YouTube
2007 truck class winner hans stacey netherlands ofcourse.
Onboard - YouTube
Ginaf rally power team testing in france.
http://www.ginafrallypower.nl/fotovideo/videos/videos-2007/grp-test-op-merival-fr.html
:D 8)

[pagani]

Robby gordon prepares for dakar 2008
http://www.robbygordon.com/cms/publish/article_990.shtml
+robby gordon testing the new monster
Robby Gordon Dakar Hummer Testing Nov 2007 - YouTube
Robby Gordon Dakar Hummer Testing at Glamis Nov 2007 - YouTube
Robby Gordon #2 Dakar Hummer Testing Nov 2007 - YouTube
:-)8-)

[pagani]

kleinschmidt isn´t part of the dakar 2008 and nasser al-attiyah is the replacement driver for colin mc rae

thats what I have heared. He also has a picutre of colin on his rear side
kleinschmidt sucks anyway
Way overated driver
Interview whit dakar rally legend jan de rooy and his son gerard de rooy
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/mediaplayer.aspx?object=news&id=90939&mode=video

Ginaf rally power team test in germany
This years truck has about 950-1000 hp
http://www.ginafrallypower.nl/index.php?id=228&no_cache=1&tx_bddbflvvideogallery_pi1 [video]=0


Team de rooy testing in france
De Rooy test Narbonne - YouTube

Hans stacey at pre proloog eurocircuit valksenzwaard the netherlands
Hans stacey at Dakar pré proloog 2008 1/2 - YouTube
Hans Stacey at Dakar pré Proloog 2008 2/2 - YouTube

Dakar Proloog Eurocircuit Valkenswaard 2007 2008 - YouTube

[LEXION]

Damn, its been a long time since I followed the Dakar rally,,,,how Id love to go on one of those MAN trucks in the desert :D:D

I hope the 2008 truck of the year wins the Dakar rally in 2008.

[pagani]

Damn, its been a long time since I followed the Dakar rally,,,,how Id love to go on one of those MAN trucks in the desert :D:D

I hope the 2008 truck of the year wins the Dakar rally in 2008.
As long as it a dutchman is.

[pagani]

Gordon will have another horrible Dakar year!!
I hope not .

[pagani]

A few movies about the team bison/jacobs dutch rallyteam the first one is from 2007 they will compete in 2008 in a desert warrior.
http://www.stage6.com/user/DakarRick/video/1831033/Dakar2007-Off-Road-Adventures-Rally-Team
http://www.stage6.com/user/DakarRick/video/1708274/duin2-in-Dakarcar-off-road-adventures-rally-team
:-):thumbup:

[LEXION]

VW has just finished 350 days of preparation for the Dakar 2008 rallye.

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/uploads/pics/071217_vw_preparation_1.jpg

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/uploads/pics/071217_vw_preparation_2.jpg


After the Dakar is before the Dakar," says Volkswagen Motorsport Director Kris Nissen. The Volkswagen factory team spent twelve months preparing carefully for the technical, sporting and logistical challenge of the legendary Dakar Rally. Preparations for January 2008 started with a de-briefing with technicians and factory drivers immediately after the finish in Dakar in the afternoon of the 21 January 2007. More than two weeks through five countries, almost 5,700 competitive kilometres through the desert, mountains and along hard gravel tracks: The Dakar Rally demands record performances from the Volkswagen factory drivers and their four Race Touareg prototypes.

[pagani]

What is the driver lineup of volkswagen for this year?

[Legolas]

hopefully the portuguese Carlos Sousa is on a better team this year... maybe he has go a chance!

[LEXION]

Mitsubishi Outlander Supports Dakar 2008

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/12/21/9071221.013/9071221.013.1M.jpg

The drivers of Team Repsol Mitsubishi Ralliart in Dakar 2008 will receive support from Mitsubishi in the form of a Mitsubishi Outlander. The model was confirmed official support vehicle for the seventh successive winning Dakar team. Ralliart receives the Outlander with major safety improvements, however, the engine and transmission remains the same as the production model. The 2008 Dakar Outlander has also been modified with four racing bucket seats with full harness belts, a safety roll-cage, an additional fuel tank, under-body protection, dampers, navigational equipment, and a host of other features. The engine, running gear, and fundamental chassis architecture, however, remain identical to the standard production car. Carrying capacity is up to 1,691 litres. The exterior is finished in the full racing livery of the competition Pajero/Montero Evolutions. The production vehicle comes with AWC (All Wheel Control) technology, electronic 4x4 control system, developed by Mitsubishi. The system utilizes three modes to match the level of traction control to individual preferences and different road conditions. Mitsubishi has been developing 4x4 systems over the last 20 years.

Press Release

Mitsubishi Outlander Takes On Dakar 2008


The Mitsubishi Outlander has been selected to be the sole support vehicle for Team Repsol Mitsubishi Ralliart’s title defence in 2008. The modified Outlander will tackle the support vehicles’ route, which differs only slightly from the competing cars. These vehicles require a high degree of off-road ability to cross the challenging terrain of the region's vast, sandy and rocky expanses.


The 2008 Dakar Outlander has been modified to comply with ASO's safety regulations and features four racing bucket seats with full harness belts, a safety roll-cage, an additional fuel tank, underbody protection, Bose dampers, navigational equipment, and a host of other features. The engine, running gear, and fundamental chassis architecture however remain identical to the standard production car.


It is finished in the full racing livery of the competition Pajero/Montero Evolutions and with a carrying capacity of up to 1,691 litres means that the four Repsol Mitsubishi Ralliart team members and their luggage will be able to travel in comfort and safety throughout the two-week event.


The standard production vehicle comes complete with features such as active control of the four driven wheels, fully independent suspension, high performance brakes and a low centre of gravity which has been achieved in part by an aluminium roof which employs technology tested on Lancer Evolution IX.


Outlander calls on AWC (All Wheel Control) technology, the Mitsubishi-developed electronic 4x4 control system which allows drivers to choose between three modes to match the level of traction control to individual preferences and / or road conditions. Mitsubishi’s 4x4 systems have been developed over the last 20 years in all terrain vehicles and racing pursuits, the Outlander demonstrates the advanced technological development of the AWC through the switch dial selection.


Main Technical Specifications (Standard Outlander 2.2 Di-D)


Outlander is one of the symbols of the renewal of Mitsubishi Motors' line-up and was the brand's first car to be built on Mitsubishi's “Project Global” architecture, together with the new Lancer family (incl. Lancer Evolution X). It is also packed with Mitsubishi's legendary expertise in the realm of four-wheel drive technology and in the UK is powered by a choice of 2.2 Di-D 156PS (diesel), 2.0 Di-D 140PS (diesel), 2.4 MIVEC 170PS (petrol) engines.


Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 Di-D


156 PS @ 4,000 rpm and 380 Nm @ 2,000 rpm


From 39.2 mpg, 7,2 L/100km (combined cycle)


From 191 g/km (combined cycle)


0-62 mph/0-100km/h in 9.9 seconds


124 mph/200 km/h maximum speed


AWC (All-Wheel-Control)


6-speed manual gearbox

[pagani]

For the dutch members of motorworld team man will hold a fan day
sunday 23 december from 10.00 hours to 16.00 hours dutch time
Location De Dieze 2 best the netherlands.
I will go to this event.

Just found some oldschool dakar footage from 1982
Renault R20 Turbo.
Marreau brothers on their way to victory
AFRICAN TURBO (Paris - Alger - Dakar 1982) - YouTube
:-);-)

[pagani]

I have been to team fan day.
The fan day team is amazing very well prepared trucks
And hans stacy is a pretty small man but one hell of a driver a bit like the dutch of robby gordon or colin mcrea.
Pics will follow soon.

[pagani]

Now a short video of one the better dutch teams Team Van Deijne they will compete in the car class in a mitsubishi at the dakar rally 2008 i think he will do good.
Watch this man
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/mediaplayer.aspx?object=missed&id=179
:-):thumbup:

[pagani]

My video of the fan day of team man i hope they can bring it home
The wear the winning truck team of 2007
YouTube
:-):-)

[pagani]

Robby gordon dakar rally 2007 highlights
Robby Gordon Dakar highlights - YouTube
:-):-D

[pagani]

The dutch dakar are on it's wat to to spain for the start of the rally
http://www.trucksfromholland.nl/index.php?page=16&id=447

[pagani]

Team dakar usa has in now in spain.
The eagle has landed in spain
Arrival in Lisbon - YouTube
:-):thumbup:8-)

[TT]

For the first time ever, the Dakar won't take place :(
http://www.dakar.com/indexus.html

[pagani]

For the first time ever, the Dakar won't take place :(
http://www.dakar.com/indexus.html
This fucking sucks bunch of french pussy's

[TT]

Well, fucking terrorists and alikes I'd rather say :!:

[pagani]

Well, fucking terrorists and alikes I'd rather say :!:
Both are pussy's

[TT]

At least the organizers demonstrated some wisdom by cancelling the race to avoid attacks to the guys taking part in an already risky race...

[pagani]

At least the organizers demonstrated some wisdom by cancelling the race to avoid attacks to the guys taking part in an already risky race...
Their have never been any attack on the rally.
This is just pure bullshit.

[pagani]

Jan de rooy quits the dakar rally
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/92351472/Jan+de+Rooy+stopt+met+Dakar-rally.aspx

[TT]

Their have never been any attack on the rally.
This is just pure bullshit.

Well, this year the "political" situation is a bit different ...

[pagani]

Well, this year the "political" situation is a bit different ...
I hate politics sometimes.

[pagani]

They schould never surrender to the terrorist.
Gentle man you have a race
Start your engines.

[LEXION]

And terrorism wins again :(

Crappy world we live in.....

[pagani]

And terrorism wins again :(

Crappy world we live in.....
Thats why they schould let the rally start.

[redbaron]

Their have never been any attack on the rally.
This is just pure bullshit.

There have been attacks in the past! A couple of years ago some teams were attacked by rebels (I thought it was in Mali). One of them was belgian Koen Wouters who escaped from the rebels. The rebels shot at his car and the bullet holes have been shown many times at the dutch television. Other teams were less lucky and were robbed from their cars.

Since that year stages were cancelled when there was serious political tread. This year nine stages were planned in Mauritania. When they would have cancelled these stages, there would not have been much left of the rally.

[pilotvtm]

Idiot bombers....they destroy everything but they can't destroy our humor...
lol: Jeff Dunham - Achmed the Dead Terrorist - YouTube

[pagani]

There have been attacks in the past! A couple of years ago some teams were attacked by rebels (I thought it was in Mali). One of them was belgian Koen Wouters who escaped from the rebels. The rebels shot at his car and the bullet holes have been shown many times at the dutch television. Other teams were less lucky and were robbed from their cars.

Since that year stages were cancelled when there was serious political tread. This year nine stages were planned in Mauritania. When they would have cancelled these stages, there would not have been much left of the rally.
Ok did not knew that.
Anyway it's a sad day for the motorsport and for the world.

[jakaracman]

This fucking sucks bunch of french pussy's
Exactly. I hope all competitors, media etc tahe them to court to claim every euro they have invested (not just start money, but all that they invested in equipment) back. from ASO. The had the obligation to run the rally and they did not do it, so they should pay big.
Ah well, frenchies have a history of being a pussy nation ...

[TT]

Going a bit too far here IMO... Please, no more direct attacks to French ppl and France. Remember we also have some french members on JW if you don't give a shit about the average John Doe!

Big money is always big money, but can't justify everything.

They could have run the rally, ending up with 90% of the team withdrawing on personal decision.

BTW, I don't think any of us every had one of the contracts related to dakar's sponsors and such, but I wouldn't be surprised to find, somewhere in there, a couple of lines talking about possible cancellation of the whole race...

[franck bullitt]

Ah well, frenchies have a history of being a pussy nation ...

Explain your point of view ? I'm French and i'd like to know why do you say that :?: if you prefer you can send me a MP :angry:....

[jakaracman]

I'll put it this way: I write for many magazines and I can, if I want, always write that ... It'scalled freedom of speech and it's my personal opinion.
I also think that history (just take WW2 for example) and curernt situation (those protest of young criminals buring cars, shops etc...) needs no explanation.
But I see that there are many people that are waaay to sensible here, so for their peace of mind I'll officially take it back. French do not have a history of pussy nation. Pretend I didn't write it. Appologies etc ...
Of course, fortunatelly I dont have to change what I really think, don't I?

And a PS at the end: I couldn't care less what you write about slovenians or Slovenia. Don't give a shit ...

@TT: I've sen some of the contracts, even for top5 or top10 competitors. Nothing about cancellation of the event. Retiring yes, cause there's always danger of that, but cancelation no. What do you think it will cost Mitsubishi, they planned their entire year's worth of marketnig and PR for offroaders around Dakar?

[TT]

Freedom of speech is ok, but as this forum has the following rule

RESPECT

Please, be polite when discussing with other members and dont make offensive/racist/... comments about other members.We wouldn't ask you to change your way of thinking. Just avoid posting it and thanks for taking it back!

As for the contracts, ok, I would have guessed the organizers got themselves covered, especially in difficult times like ours, when tobacco companies have to write in big letters that smoke can fucking kill you on their cig, as if ppl didn't know...

As for big and small teams having wasted tons of resources, time and efforts, I don't say it is ok like that, but every business has its related risks, and you can't always write them off completely... you do your best to foresee them and to prevent them from happening, but that's it.
Like a farmer having a year's harvest messed up by hail.... this is what insurances or provisions are for...

[pagani]

Freedom of speech is ok, but as this forum has the following rule

We wouldn't ask you to change your way of thinking. Just avoid posting it and thanks for taking it back!

As for the contracts, ok, I would have guessed the organizers got themselves covered, especially in difficult times like ours, when tobacco companies have to write in big letters that smoke can fucking kill you on their cig, as if ppl didn't know...

As for big and small teams having wasted tons of resources, time and efforts, I don't say it is ok like that, but every business has its related risks, and you can't always write them off completely... you do your best to foresee them and to prevent them from happening, but that's it.
Like a farmer having a year's harvest messed up by hail.... this is what insurances or provisions are for...
ok
That french pussy comment was just some vented angryness.

[pagani]

Here are some updates of the dutch tv channel rtl7
http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/sport/rtl_gp/home/)/system/video/html/components/sport/grandprix/169_anamorf/miMedia/2008/week01/za_dakargp01.avi_plain.xml
http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/sport/rtl_gp/home/)/system/video/html/components/sport/grandprix/169_anamorf/miMedia/2008/week01/za_dakargp02.avi_plain.xml
http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/sport/rtl_gp/home/)/system/video/html/components/sport/grandprix/169_anamorf/miMedia/2008/week01/za_dakarupdate02.avi_plain.xml
I am whit robby gordon and jan de rooy on this one.
:-)

[pagani]

I think this very sad for news for the world.
The big advanture and pioneering spirit is bit dead now no more great adventure in africa but i hope that will change in near future.
The big losers are the teams and the good willing people of africa.
It has cost aso 52 million euros.

Press report team dakar usa
http://www.robbygordon.com/cms/publish/article_997.shtml


Check on this site
http://tiagomonteiro.com/dakar/dakari.html

[SamuraiGti]

There's too much information that doesn't come out.

There's some rumors about Oil on, and Total didn't won etc etc...