Americans

[pimrusis]

An 18 year old in one of Pennsylvania's finest high schools (the good part of PA, not the middle) said the things below :

The interesting lunchtime topic of discussion:
A girl with whom I eat lunch - by association, not friendship - today denied the existence of Central America. She had no knowledge of the countries of Guatemala and Costa Rica. She claimed that Mexico City was in the United States, and that Guatemala City was in Mexico. She then went on further and pondered how come Salt Lake City was in Utah, and not in the nation called "Salt Lake."
To these comments I replied: Central America is real, and it is bet ween North and South America - hence central. That Guatemala and Costa Rica are real countries, and that now, having established that Guatemala is, in fact, real, I informed her that Guatemala City was this new country's capitol. I then went on to point out that Mexico city, was indeed in Mexico and not in the United States as she originally thought. Finally I went on to regretfully inform her that there is no such country as "Salt Lake", and that Salt Lake City was actually named after a salty lake in Utah. Then I went to study hall, and after following me into the room she insinuated that I had AIDS. The end.

[deth]

gotta love ignorant ppl :mrgreen:

[antonioledesma]

:mrgreen:
and she believes in sewer alligators, the boogie man and that bush is the best president of usa, of all times

[graywolf624]

You can blame that on our poor education system. Between the teachers unions which never allow any teacher to be fired and the standardized tests that they prepare for(ignoring real education. Not sats but school analysis tests) we are lucky kids know how to count to ten.

[graywolf624]

Easy on the political commentary. Bush has nothing to do with inteligence. I may not agree with her(and I sure as hell don't) but that is more a opinion based statement.

[blah]

You saying bush is smart? wow, he says the word Nuculear instead of nuclear. He cant even say the people we are fighting, he says Al Qayeda, instead of Al Queda. On the education thing, schools are forced to take those test, its really one of the only ways they can get money. We need to stop spending money on making smart bombs, and start spending money for smart kids named tom! OOOO I rhymed that shit right there.

[graywolf624]

"You saying bush is smart? wow, he says the word Nuculear instead of nuclear. He cant even say the people we are fighting, he says Al Qayeda, instead of Al Queda. On the education thing, schools are forced to take those test, its really one of the only ways they can get money. "

I'm aware that they are forced to take those tests. That should not happen and a teacher shouldnt be protected due to tenure. Major problems with the teaching programs occur because teacher unions have made it impossible to fire a teacher with tenure unless they do something like abuse a student.

As for bush being smart I've been down this road before. Public speaking ability and inteligence are not synonimous. Keep the political commentary where it belongs. I don't like him for different reasons then you but jabba and tt have made it clear that they don't want us getting into political arguements. This type of stuff only leads to such situations.

[FerrariKiller]

yeah let's leave the political commentary on the talk shows, this is not why we come here

[veilsidebr]

Oh what the fucking ignorant Girl. If she thinks she is in the center of the world, she is wrong. Ignorance and stupid are the worst things in the world. I guess she is so stupod so she must read more about other countries and continents.

Well, if central america were in Asia or someplace far from USA, well, i still could accept, but it´s only bellow USA!!!

How these things can happen. Oh my god...

:x

[mhn3773]

not being able to pronounce certain things properly is not a sign of stupidity

BUT thinking down of someone that has an accent that doesn't allow them to say some words to your liking is "stupid" =)

[geekdiggy]

Americans are stupid, Finally some proof.

i don't care what kind of links you can pull up, you don't belong insulting an entire country like that and i request that this thread get locked or deleted. not only are you one of the three most annoying worthless fucktards to plague this board, but you're also turning your stupidity into continental insults

go fuck yourself with a splintered baseball bat

[RC45]

go fuck yourself with a splintered baseball bat

nice put down... but I am partial to the "buggered with a splintered fence post" variant...

This one is great for both direct put downs, such as "Go bugger yourself with a splintered fence post..."

...and as an expression of surprise - as in "WHOA!!!! No way!!! Bugger me with a splintered fence post - That is unbelievable..." ;)

LOL

[geekdiggy]

"WHOA!!!! No way!!! Bugger me with a splintered fence post - That is unbelievable..."

that's gotta be a british thing eh :wink:

[pimrusis]

Easy on the political commentary. Bush has nothing to do with inteligence. I may not agree with her(and I sure as hell don't) but that is more a opinion based statement.

So the existance of Central America and the location of Mexico City is a debatable point? I have nothing to say on this point.

[zevolv]

See this is why my parents payed $7,000 a year for private school my entire life (13 years)

[graywolf624]

"So the existance of Central America and the location of Mexico City is a debatable point? I have nothing to say on this point."

Reading comprhension my good friend. I'm talking about the Bush shot someone made. I'm aware she never actually said that but was addressing it as if she did since someone attributed such sayings to a stupid person.

[snacky]

Not that it means anything, but Bush went to private schools too.

[zevolv]

yeah but Bush is from Texas so that defeats it

[RC45]

yeah but Bush is from Texas so that defeats it

... but he got to be President of the United States of America - military leader of the free world... exactly what did you amount to again?

[zevolv]

yeah well he only got there because of Oil money and his dad you know and I'm not even old enough to be president and I'm still in College. Oh BTW it's funny that all the voring problems were in the state his brother was governer of. He's still a hick from Texas.

To quote a great movie: "Only two things come from Texas, steers and queers, and you don't look like a steer."

[RC45]

yeah well he only got there because of Oil money and his dad you know and I'm not even old enough to be president and I'm still in College. Oh BTW it's funny that all the voring problems were in the state his brother was governer of. He's still a hick from Texas.

To quote a great movie: "Only two things come from Texas, steers and queers, and you don't look like a steer."

And his dad got there because why?

Now you blaming stupid democrat floridians on Jeb Bush?

[zevolv]

His dad was somewhat of a good president

[coloradosilver]

I don't know. I think that for all the shit that GWB has had to deal with in his current administration, he's done quite well. He had to get through the largest attack on American soil in the history of the world, Fought BinLaden, Captured Sadam, and Contributed to the peace negotiations with Libia. He's delt with more shit in the last 3 years than most of us will in a lifetime. He carroies one of the greatest burdens on him of any person in the world. Leading the US is one hell of a job, I think he's done quite well.

[RC45]

His dad was somewhat of a good president

...so something good did come from Texas then?... ;)

[zevolv]

He doesn't really do it himself though there are hundreds of people telling him what he should do and other people write his speaches. He might be able to deal with things but that doesn't exactly prove that he's smart he is still pretty low on the knowledge scale.

[yg60m]

You can't generalize to an entire nation from a single experience. Americans are not stupids.
However, a friend (french) told me that he was arrested by a cop in US and that when the cop asked them about their nationality and that they answered "french", he didn't know what they were talking about, so they finally said "europe". :wink:
Concerning Bush, now that he is president, it's hard to stop him from doing what he wants (or almost), we have the same problem in France :wink: and i suppose we are not alone.

[coloradosilver]

I know that he has advisors and many people helping him out, but ultimately the words must come from his mouth. He needs to take in all the info that he can from his people and make the best decisions that he can based on that info. He's acting in what he thing is the best interest of the safety and well-being of the American people. And I think he's done well at that.

[RC45]

I don't know. I think that for all the shit that GWB has had to deal with in his current administration, he's done quite well. He had to get through the largest attack on American soil in the history of the world, Fought BinLaden, Captured Sadam, and Contributed to the peace negotiations with Libia. He's delt with more shit in the last 3 years than most of us will in a lifetime. He carroies one of the greatest burdens on him of any person in the world. Leading the US is one hell of a job, I think he's done quite well.

... don't worry - before long a Monday morning quarterback from some other god-forsaken hell-whole 10,000 miles away will begin posting how everything he (GW) and the USA has ever done is pure evil and only served to destabilize the world... blah blah...

it never ends...

The one consolation is that after it is all said and posted this afternoon, we will jump in our slow, badly handling,over weight Corvettes and drive someplace for no reason except wanting to drive... ;)

[zevolv]

Damn those slow american V8s :roll:

[coloradosilver]

Watch your mouth zevolv!! :mrgreen:

[zevolv]

did you not see the rolling eyes? I to am a driver of the American V8.

[graywolf624]

"He might be able to deal with things but that doesn't exactly prove that he's smart he is still pretty low on the knowledge scale."

It doesn't prove he isn't either. Search for the same sort of word flubs from other people. They don't get as much play because everyone has an agenda. To state that someone is unintelligent due to speech fopas is not a correct analysis.

[coloradosilver]

zevolv-- I know, I was just messing with you! :wink:

[zevolv]

"He might be able to deal with things but that doesn't exactly prove that he's smart he is still pretty low on the knowledge scale."

It doesn't prove he isn't either.

Have you ever listened to the man speak?

BTW lets just drop the damn subject like RC45 already did thankfully

[coloradosilver]

I think he's a good speaker. But you have to realize that what he's saying was written by someone else and formatted to incoorperate GWB's ideas and values.

[graywolf624]

Yes I have heard him speak. Yet again look up his competition (gore had just as many). Speech ability also has little to no correlation with intelligence.

[graywolf624]

"Only a smart man reads a book upsidedown"

Only a ignorant man judges someone without meeting them.

That picture upside down was not him reading the book upside down. It was probably a photoshop. Think about it. If he can even read a speech that proves that piece of op-ed to be hogwash.

[scubywrxr]

I would like to know, exactly how many presidents of the world have written their own speeches? GWB included... :mrgreen:

Lets face it guys, many of our leaders are dumb asses... they are fronts or puppets for the parties they represent coz they are have just enough IQ and are easily manipulated to suit the needs of the people behind the curtains. So who exactly runs America again? or any other country for that matter?
Difficult question to answer truthfully?

Most of our so called leaders are alcoholics, fornicators or drug abusers and we voted them in or did not bother to even vote at all!(or were made leaders by a court decision ;) ) Then we bitch and moan about how bad they are once they in office.. so who are the real idiots then?

[RC45]

Only a smart man reads a book upsidedown ;)

...actually to be able to read text upside down is pretty nifty accomplishment... let's see you pull it off.. :D

[graywolf624]

What is dislectic? You mean dyslexic?

Is their any proof he is dyslexic?

[corvette97]

pimrusis wrote:
Americans are stupid, Finally some proof.


i don't care what kind of links you can pull up, you don't belong insulting an entire country like that and i request that this thread get locked or deleted. not only are you one of the three most annoying worthless fucktards to plague this board, but you're also turning your stupidity into continental insults

go fuck yourself with a splintered baseball bat


i am from Guatemala! and i dont wish to all these ppl to fuck themselves, u got to admit that plenty of ppl here in american and in europe are ppl who lack education, as i may say that once this girl told me in miami that i was not an american cuz' i didnt live in the states, hu? comon she was stupid, i am american, i am not NORTH american tho !

[graywolf624]

"s i may say that once this girl told me in miami that i was not an american cuz' i didnt live in the states, hu? comon she was stupid, i am american, i am not NORTH american tho !"

That one isn't related to intelligence. In the USA we are taught to believe we are the United States of America. We don't associate north america/ south america/ or central america with being americans.
We don't have a union of nations(well unless you count nafta) like europe. As such we don't think of ourselves in terms of continents.

How many people thought of themselves as european before the eu versus thought of themselves as members of their own country.

[zevolv]

Well we don't want to say we are United States of American but people in europe can say I'm English or German or Hungarian etc... Or say I'm Canadian or Mexican or Brazilian it's just easier to say American.

[graywolf624]

lol. Well when they curse americans on the television in europe are they refering to the continent or us as a nation. The simularities between us and south america are few and far between.(different cultures, money, ect) I'd dare say we have more in common with europe.
What are we supposed to call the people from our nation? USAans?

[zevolv]

I don't deny the fact that they are Americans and that's totally cool with me. I'm just saying most of them don't say they are American because except for us in the USA it's a very vaque statement

[daniel]

LOL!

[corvette97]

hell yeah! call them indians!

[SilverPhoenix]

she was blonde wasn't she?

[RC45]

she was blonde wasn't she?

Who Pocohantas?

[Jabba]

I don't know. I think that for all the shit that GWB has had to deal with in his current administration, he's done quite well. He had to get through the largest attack on American soil in the history of the world, Fought BinLaden, Captured Sadam, and Contributed to the peace negotiations with Libia. He's delt with more shit in the last 3 years than most of us will in a lifetime. He carroies one of the greatest burdens on him of any person in the world. Leading the US is one hell of a job, I think he's done quite well.

I 100 % agree and I also think its great to see a president that isn't afraid to kick ass and doesn't take shit from anyone.

I think recent events have demonstrated to the rest of the world just what happens when you fuck with the worlds only ultra power.

Libya obviously doesn't fancy seeing any free airshows of the latest USAF military hardware either and I am sure many other countries will follow suit and give up their WOMD programmes.

I for one feel alot safer with George running the show rahter than that last pussy Bill.

[gucom]

I for one feel alot safer with George running the show rahter than that last pussy Bill.


since he threatened to storm dutch beaches as soon as there would be 1 US soldier brought to the international court of justice for war crimes, i dont

but ofcourse, he did a good job in afghanistan and iraq, although i think the WMD was bs, im glad saddam is gone.

[zevolv]

I like your statement but most people (especially other countries) don't know that most of the planes seen overseas except the Stealth and long range bombers are all from the Navy not the Air Force

[RC45]

...storm dutch beaches...

Beaches? You have beaches?

I thought all y'all had were a couple windmills, a few canals and a bunch of little boys fingering dikes... ;)

[RC45]

I for one feel alot safer with George running the show rahter than that last pussy Bill.

Jabba - A man of few, but important words... :)

[Jabba]

I like your statement but most people (especially other countries) don't know that most of the planes seen overseas except the Stealth and long range bombers are all from the Navy not the Air Force

I would say that the B2 and the F117 stealth are the most impressive planes visually to scare the shit out of someone (if you get to see them) the B2 in particular doesn't even look like its from this planet.

I have seen B52's take off from one of your bases in mildenhall in the UK and how those aircraft even get airborne is amazing and trying to land them would appear to be another minor miracle obviously the damage they can inflict makes them a fairly dramatic aircraft as well..... as I understand it just the sound of the "drone" they produce has had whole units trying to surrender.

[zevolv]

Yeah where I live they fly routine missions between Wisconsin and Arkansas and you can often see them refueling now that's a sight to see two B2's escorted by some smaller jets and a big ass refueling plane. when those B2's are above you it's like an eclipse. I'd hate to be on the other end of them.

[Jabba]

Try and get a picture next time if at all possible it sure does sound an awesome sight.

[RC45]

Try and get a picture next time if at all possible it sure does sound an awesome sight.

Jabba, a couple months after I arrived in the USA I had a chance to see a number of B1's arriving to do an airshow near Bettendorf Iowa.

We were at the riverside, taking in the sites and sounds, when all of a sudden, the sky was filled with 3 B1's doing a low-level, low speed rate-1 style fly-over over the river (Mississippi) front.

Seeing those 3 great birds, wings open silhouette against the sky was an awesome sight.

Had those been B2's - it would probably have imparted a UFO style sighting to such the moment... ;)

[Jabba]

You Americans are so lucky to have such wonderful aircraft to be proud of I can only try to imagine such a sight I would imagine the word "Breathtaking" was invented for such an occasion.

The best I can come up with is three RAF chinooks that fly over my offices on a regular basis obviously not quite in your league but it always makes me get off my ass to enjoy every second of them flying over us.

I have seen concorde as well on a number of occasions (sadly retired now) and that is (was) an extremely pretty aircraft that I sadly never got the chance to fly on.

[RC45]

Imagine 3 of these...
http://www8.landings.com/GA/images/australia01/images-1/B1-Bomber-003.jpg

...filling the sky turning like this... low and slow enough you could swear you could reach out and shake hands with the flight crews...

http://www8.landings.com/GA/images/australia01/images-1/F1-11-020.jpg

Awestruck is another emotion...

[zevolv]

Those Chinooks are pretty cool helicopters I see those on occasion around here aswell since the US Navy training base is located here (It's the only Navy boot camp) Every night at about midnight three blackhawks fly over my house but it's really hard to see them but I was lucky once and every once in a while they don't run silent so you can hear the engines roaring. And about a year ago there was a sonic boom that shuck the whole county when a couple of jets had to respond to an airliner that had some crazy guy on it that was awesome, it was soo damn loud, I was at my friends house and there were car alarms going off, it was all over the news.

[RC45]

This is the closest image I have been able to find...

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/ChicagoAirAndWater2001/B1s/B1sPassingBuilding.jpg
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/ChicagoAirAndWater2001/B1s/B1s1oClockBanking-30.jpg
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/ChicagoAirAndWater2001/B1s/B1s2oClockBanking-30.jpg

[zevolv]

they are some amazing planes. I will have to go to the Chicago Air Show this summer its 3 days long

[Jabba]

Lets all stop and look and admire the front of this beauty for a moment.

Those Iraqis are so lucky to be able to see sights like this.


http://www8.landings.com/GA/images/australia01/images-1/B1-Bomber-003.jpg

:shock: :shock: :shock: 8) 8) 8)

[RC45]

And this... :D

http://www.airshowpics.com/pics/asp01131.jpg

...and this... :shock:

http://www.airshowpics.com/pics/asp00938.jpg

[Jabba]

What can you say ?

[RC45]

Not much.. except...

"Express delivery for Mr. Hussein..."

http://www.airshowpics.com/pics/asp00803.jpg

[Jabba]

Heres some of my favs

http://www.weeno.com/apache4.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/fig.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/fig2.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/apache18.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/apache113.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/apache5.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/bombers.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/4117ctf1800x600.jpg
http://www.weeno.com/200000th.jpg

[RC45]

Peekaboo... :twisted:

[RC45]

"Someone called the exterminator?"

http://www.airshowpics.com/pics/asp01001.jpg

[666fast]

Not much of a Military Aircraft person, but I see old ones all the time. About 2 miles from my house is a small airfield that has different arishows a few times a year. There is always all kinds of old military stuff flying around. My guess is most of the stuff is from WWI and II. What makes it cool is they flow low and they are loud as hell!
Then on the otherside of me ( about 5 miles opposite direction), is a National Gaurd base where there are all kinds of old military planes and some Helicopters. Once again, I couldn't tell you what they are, not a plane geek. :wink:
A friend and I always go boating down the Mississippi River and watch the planes take off and land. You are literally about 40 feet away watching the planes take off and land.

[Jabba]

Not much.. except...

"Express delivery for Mr. Hussein..."

http://www.airshowpics.com/pics/asp00803.jpg

Simply AWESOME :shock:

[corvette97]

my dad flyes an apache :mrgreen:

[sentra_dude]

I am a pilot...but right now I am working on my private pilot's license...not quite up to flying those bad boys...However, on a recent cross country flight I flew to Shreveport, LA...which happens to be about 5 miles from one of the largest B-52 bases in America (Barksdale). We flew very close to the base, about 3 miles or so at 4500ft, and my instructor counted...40+ B-52s on the ramp (parking lot for airplanes) and another 5 in the 'nukes', the individual 'parking places' for the planes that are ready to go on short notice. In addition to the BUFF's (B-52s) there were another 15 or so A-10s on the ramp... In addition the base has an 11,900 ft long runway, which makes the 5000ft runway I usually fly off of look like a sidewalk, man that would be fun to drive a car out there! :mrgreen:

[mrzonda]

I think George W. is a great President. He really pulled his country together after 911.

Ya, I have to agree with everyone. Those planes are awesome. I remember watching a World Series Baseball Game, and they had a B2 fly-by. All I can say is Wow. And that's from watching it on TV!

Even the RAF is better than our air force. I think Canada's fighter place arsenal consists of a dozen CF-18s (old F-18s). If someone in Canadian government way back when didn't scrap the Avro Arrow, then we might have an air force something like the americans. Oh well.

[geekdiggy]

Those Iraqis are so lucky to be able to see sights like this.

right before the explode into steamy chunks of deceased meat 8)

[geekdiggy]

"Express delivery for Mr. Hussein..."

http://www.airshowpics.com/pics/asp00803.jpg

^^^for those of you not in the know, that's what it looks like at the precise moment an airplane breaks the sound barrier. following that spectacular instant is an ear-rupturing boom that makes distant nations tremble

[ahmedgiyab]

An 18 year old in one of Pennsylvania's finest high schools (the good part of PA, not the middle) said the things below :

The interesting lunchtime topic of discussion:
A girl with whom I eat lunch - by association, not friendship - today denied the existence of Central America. She had no knowledge of the countries of Guatemala and Costa Rica. She claimed that Mexico City was in the United States, and that Guatemala City was in Mexico. She then went on further and pondered how come Salt Lake City was in Utah, and not in the nation called "Salt Lake."
To these comments I replied: Central America is real, and it is bet ween North and South America - hence central. That Guatemala and Costa Rica are real countries, and that now, having established that Guatemala is, in fact, real, I informed her that Guatemala City was this new country's capitol. I then went on to point out that Mexico city, was indeed in Mexico and not in the United States as she originally thought. Finally I went on to regretfully inform her that there is no such country as "Salt Lake", and that Salt Lake City was actually named after a salty lake in Utah. Then I went to study hall, and after following me into the room she insinuated that I had AIDS. The end.

I love the US people :) ...they are lovley!!! I had similar experiences like these...sorry to say but their education is below my ass :lol:

[geekdiggy]

I love the US people :) ...they are lovley!!! I had similar experiences like these...sorry to say but their education is below my ass :lol:

which is why our country is richer and more powerful than yours

[novass]

i love planes. my grandpa used to fly P-40s in WW2 in the Flying Tigers. he and my dad used to take us all to airshows when we were younger and i even got to take a ride in an old bi-plane. the Blue Angels were always there too. those guys are amazing.

[stradale]

which is why our country is richer and more powerful than yours

I doubt your country is richer than Dubai if you look at it per inhabitant.

[RC45]

which is why our country is richer and more powerful than yours

I doubt your country is richer than Dubai if you look at it per inhabitant.

...like the ricers, with the HP/litre answer...

[stradale]

Well, it's the only fair and useful way of looking at it IMO. Otherwise you could say Russia is wealthier than Luxemburg or Liechtenstein.

Nice analogy with the hp/litre comment though. :D

[fishfreek]

I have to say I find this entire thread comical.

First we have a girl who is geography challenged. Does that make her stuipd? NO. Just means she should not talk about geography. Probably was thinking about her new hair style during that period in geography class.

Then we have the person posting the message talking about how its from the 'good' part of the state and not the 'middle' part. Implying the middle part is of lesser worth than the part where they are from. As best I can derive they might be refering to the omish whom prefer to stay out of modern day technology.

Here is a reality check. Most americans if asked could not identify the countries of central america. Does it make them stupid? No. Just means they dont know where those countries are or maybe dont even know those countries exist.

No one knows everythign and the only stupid people are those who acutally think they do know everything.

Next in the thread we have a bunch of teenagers (nothing wrong with this) taking about politics. I find this funny since the only two presidents prior to George W. has been Clinton and the other George. And proably only the last term of George Sr's predancy. Since my guess is someone who is 18 probably did not become polically aware until they where 7 at the very earliest, and realisticly probably didnt give a crap about politics until they where 14 or older.

I being 29 dont even consiter myself to be overly policially aware prior to the very end of Regan's predancy and you wont see me giving polictal opinons on a website either.

The thing that i am seeing by working at a place of higher learning is that alot of the kids who are comming of college age have a nasty inability to think for themselves. What I see day in and day out is kids who are presented with a problem. They know the solution to the problem so they run thru the solution. Then if the problem is tweaked slightly the solution baffles them to the point that they cant even figure out where to start in a solution.

[graywolf624]

"omish "

You mean amish.. Lol. Being originally from eastern PA I can admit they are strange. That says nothing for the type of people they are or intelligence. Same for the west. Pittsburg may be dirty but that says nothing as well.

I agree with your prognication with respect to intelligence to americas children. I do however place much of the blame with respect to adaptibility at the foot of teachers unions and standardized testing. We spend more time on route memorization and very little on logic and reasoning.

As for politics unfortunatly it is a fact of life that most teenagers will have made up their minds and will be hard to change. Some of this will be due to parents and others will be due to the decidedly bias news media/education system. The effect of environment on an individual is down right scary.

To illustrate my point:
At a young age my father was really active in his political party(opposite generally what our school teachers and media were. It really is scary how much political views are thrown at our children there.). As such I became a member of his political party when I turned 18. In the time since (the time where you enter the real world and mature through college and making it on your own) I have modified my views and gone to a third party. While not opposite to my fathers views it certainly is not the same party.

[zevolv]

...like the ricers, with the HP/litre answer...
Nopez it isn't the same.

Who's richer? The guy with 10 kids and 12milj $ or the guy with 3 kids and 10milj $?

You can't answer a question like that. you don't know what their family life is like. a guy with 10 kids could be grumpy because he lives with 10 kids. you just don't know. overall the US is the richest.

[graywolf624]

As for richest country. This discussion really is moot. Many of the richest per capita countries are simply that way due to their mineral resources. We are the richest overall country but that can be accounted for by size.

What you must look at is where the best universities are located (by quantity ) and where most technical innovations occur currently. Regardless of where you live you must admit college education in america(disregarding a handful of individual colleges world wide) is considered the best in the world. US also contributes the majority of the worlds technical advancements currently. This does not make us better then anyone else. However, this does mean that at the moment we are the ones with power. They say we consume 60 percent of the worlds goods(For which most countries should thank us. This keeps their economies affloat.). We also have the most open and small government. (Before our neighbors get upset let me clarify). In general we have the least taxes and the least social programs. Whether this is a good thing lies on what side of the political fence you are on. I will resist commenting.

[TT]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in... Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world (income per person) and we have basically no natural resources beside some salt and ways to produce electricity ;) but still, my ancestors were able to create a pretty wealthy country :D

[fishfreek]

To be rich does not nessicarly mean you have a shit pile of money or you have a huge net worth.

I know alot of folks who bairly pay their bills and consiter themselves to have a rich life.

As far as having raw money I would say it would be a country in the middle east or one of the countires that have large diamond mines.

As far as 'quality of life' thats very subjective and what 1 person thinks is a great qualityof life is another mans/womans HELL.


You mean amish


Yep. I never clamied to be a good speller. In VA they have SOL's = Standards of Learning but I call them Shit Out of Luck. THey only teach the kids whats on the SOL's and the school and teachers performance is based on how well the kids do on these SOL tests. The onlyi things that are dug into their minds are whats on the SOL test. So if the SOL test has a math problem that takes A + B = C then they learn how to solve it. But if the SOL does not have the math problem B - C = -A then they are never taught how to solve it and most never see the relationship between the one they where taught about and the one they where not.

[graywolf624]

And the penultimate nutural country speaks up. lol..
This is why I say many. Though Id suspect alot of switzerlands good luck in terms of finances is directly related to the lack of need to rebuild from wars. That and perhaps your world renowned banks.

Exactly my point on the sols.

As for the richest country. As I said at the moment it lies with the US(we simply have the most gdp). That being said if you count the unsold natural resources then perhaps your right.

[TT]

Sure, our case is a combo of many things.. geographic emplacements (a crossway in the center of Europe), our neutrality since the Confederation was formed, our banks and our size :)

[fishfreek]

And proably only the last term of George Sr's predancy.


I would like to point out an error in my above statement. Since the first George Bush was president for only 1 term his first would also be his last term.

[rsgti]

I live in El Salvador , Central America, and particulary find this behavior quite normal.

US Citizens overlook the fact that we immigrants (my mates who cross the border into US) are the ones who hold their economy, as we are the ones who harvest from sun to sun their crops,in order to bring food to their table literaly, as many waiters are from latin america.

We make their NIKE and GAP shoes and clothing, JOBS THAT US Citizens don't like to do anymore and i could continue forever with the list, but this is not the point of the forum.

A country that doesn't look back to it roots . - USA is a land of inmigrants . - is a country without origins.....

Sadly Americans have not helped their neighboors countries as Europe did with theirs, that is the reason why Europe is by definition 1st World (socially and economically) US is first ...only on the Economic side ... a land of "frenzy" consumers.....

This is my humble opinion and do not intend to harm nobody by expressing my thoughts...

[graywolf624]

Europe didn't really help their neighbor countries much more then the US did. Nafta definitly benefits canada and mexico. So does our production facilities in other countries. We give more in aide to other countries then anyone else(proven fact).
Immigration is a tricky issue. I personally am for opening the borders under 2 stipulations.
A) You want in you learn english. I am sick and tired of having to pay for road signs and schools to teach in spannish. Language is a necessary to ensure things work well.

B) NO social benefits for immigrants. Too many come in and jump on welfare/ get kids free lunches/ect.

Since B will never happen I am against free immigration. Too many people get a free ride here as it is. Americans will work those jobs if they had no other choice(we return to the social programs).

Once you live in an area where 60 percent of the population doesn't speak english, the kids all get free school lunch, and the parents don't pay taxes. You become jaded. If we give out drivers licenses all we do is encourage people to continue to come.

I'm what is termed in america as a libratarian. Aka the smallest government is best. It is definitly a point for debate(and certainly a political opinion laiden question.) That being said anyone who accuses america of not helping other countries doesn't pay enough attention. I must ask you about the marshall plan, aide to isreal, nafta, ect.
Anyone who thinks immigration is as cut and dry as just letting the flow in has also ignored the whole situation. People can be for it despite these issues but you must account for everything.

[zevolv]

yes I accept the fact that most of the people who jump the boarders in the south do hold our economy together they keep our fast food joints running and keep our lawns looking pretty. I'm Just Fucking With You. :D And yes we do send our factories down to your areas but that benefits you just as much as us you need the jobs so they are provided for you and we helped out rebuilding countries after wars more than any other country did. Most people that live in the US do acknowldege their roots I know my mom's side of the family came here because of the potato famine and my dad's side came because they wanted to. I know this and acknowledge that fact I go back to Ireland every year because I love the country and I'm glad to be Irish, all of my friends are very aware of there past and how their families came to the USA. Atleast they all came here legally. My ancestors all worked very hard to have the rich lives that My family has.

[rsgti]

Thank you ZEVOLV for your post, as you are social aware of the issues that are ocurring in your country.

Your friend Graywolf seems to only look at the help the US gives to countries it has interests in, as he already mentioned NAFTA (where there are General electric and GM facilities) and his "fellow" friend Israel (weapon industry whose weapons are used to kill everywhere a US Marine is on duty) .

Nice to see at least that he knows that his country "cares" for their own interests in other countries.... I wonder who is encharged of harvesting his vegetables....

Pitty that we were conquered by the spaniards...and handed over to the States...

Tough and extense Topic but should better leave it outside this car enthusiast website !!

[graywolf624]

"Your friend Graywolf seems to only look at the help the US gives to countries it has interests in, as "

Excuse me? So what do we get out of bosnia? What did we get out of building up europe under the marshall plan? What about the money that goes to ethiopia? The money for medicine for aids for africa?

The irony is I'm against the government doing these things(I'm against all social programs. We should be taking care of our own problems. You get mad when we give money to isreal and as people say butt in, but expect us to butt in where you want us too. Thats a sight hypocritical. Especially when you consider that no country acts completely unselfishly. If you can show me a true example of a alturistic act that doesn't at least indirectly benefit the country I would be damn shocked). But to say that our government doesn't support other nations is ignorant. You can argue social policies with opinions. You cannot argue the fact that the US puts out more cash to support other nations then anywhere else. You cannot argue that it all directly supports their own interests, only that indirectly as their is no such thing as a non selfish act.

Who do you think gives the most money to the UN? Don't tell me they act in our best interests.

I'm very knowledgeable about the current situation. What you don't realize is that there is more to the immigration issue then just letting people in. Why should I pay for some kid to go to school and learn in spanish when his parents don't pay taxes? Why should I be forced to listen to my public school graduation in spanish or risk being sued for not providing caution signs in spanish? Why should I pay for a family that illegally comes here then runs out of money so they have to get welfare?

I'm a capitalist. I'll teach you to fish, but you sure better catch your own fishing.

I am a computer expert first and an economist second. I have thoroughly studied and written papers on immigration. There really are quite a bit more issues involved then either side brings to light. You can't just say come on in. At very least you must make some guidelines under the current system.

[Sachmo12345]

thats only ONE stupid american :!:

[zevolv]

Yes the US stayed out of the War because they knew that there was going to be a huge price to pay if they did fight but they were supporting the allied forces since the war started just with supplies and money not troops. No one wanted to get involved by sending troops over because it was at the end of one President's term eventhough he managed to stay in for 4 terms during the war. And it took a new president to end the war because the pacific war was getting way out of hand compared to the western part. The US was afraid that the Japanese could get too close to our shores again so we did something about it. And we gladly helped rebuild Japan after what we did to them.

[graywolf624]

"When ever it comes to what the US did during WW2 it always sound like you stepped in just to save us"

My point wasn't to belittle europe or say we stepped in just to save you. It was to show that an accusation that america is imperialistic or doesn't help others is misguided.

Though one point to remember is that germany didn't attack us. We could have potentially bombed japan back to the stone age and then walked away. We helped rebuild all parties involved.

Do keep in mind trade has never been a substantial portion of America's economy. I'm not saying we paid for all of it. I am saying that anyone who accuses America of not being generous needs to get more unbiased sources.

[zevolv]

actually the germans were fucking with Inoccent ships and we didn't like that idea and we were fighting their submarines way before we officialy joined the war. they were pretty damn close to us also.

[graywolf624]

"actually the germans were fucking with Inoccent ships and we didn't like that idea and we were fighting their submarines way before we officialy joined the war. they were pretty damn close to us also.
"

Yes and no. We didn't go to war with germany over the ships. We were watching their subs, there were no shots before the war began. We went over 3 issues. A) the outrage of our citizens with regards to treatment of the jewish people, B) the realization that we would be next if germany won, and c) the realization that japan was given the technology to attack us by Germany.

[danroz]

Im a russian jew that was born here in the US and I have always dealt with a lot of American stupidity. Americans take advantages of many things and stupid people could easily get management positions compared to European counterparts where managers of companies actually accomplish something huge that ultimely do better than what we got here.

Americans is the fattest country in the world, our Illiteracy rate is quite high and our government is fool of crooks.

I think Im just gonna move to England...They have better tracks there anyways

[Not Your Average Joe]

Actually the United-States only declared war on Germany in 1941 after Germany declared war on the United-States. And just for those interested that was the last war in which the USA officially declared war on another country.

[zevolv]

Yes because it's the last one before the UN. And never try to tell a Vietnam Veteran that it wasn't technically a war because they will kill you.

[graywolf624]

"And just for those interested that was the last war in which the USA officially declared war on another country."

This is true only until this recent thing in iraq. We were at war with iraq. The korean war/ vietnam war/ persian gulf were all considered police actions for most of their time and just sort of evolved into war.

son of a vietnam vet.
nephew of a korean war vet.
nephew and cousin of persian gulf vets
cousin and nephew of iraq war vets

[danroz]

Actually US declared war on Japan in 41 cus of Pearl Harbor of course

[Not Your Average Joe]

This is true only until this recent thing in iraq. We were at war with iraq.


Well I guess rather than descending into mere technicalities I'll admit I was wrong and aopologize. I'm sorry.

[zevolv]

Pharmaceuticals, Computer Technology, Farming are the three largest economies in the US. Maybe not in size but in income. Automotive is a close 4th.

[graywolf624]

"its not just the US giving as you make it sound sometimes. "

I don't mean it as such. The main reason it sounds like this is that we get a bad rep world wide. This guy who just said that the us never helps is part of a large group. We as a people generally feel that the programs we do worldwide are not appreciated. I personally think we should keep out of all things until we are attacked. I also think we shouldnt give cash to anyone. Thats my opinon. Regardless, we do help. For every israel there is a bosnia.

"Just cuz im curios what are the main income sources for America?"

If I remember the numbers(i'm prolly off but general idea here).
Somewhere between 3-6 percent is import/export of our economy.

Our money has been made mostly from our countries natural resources, ability to attract intelligent people(think brain gain), and the ease of food production.

These three things have led to the industries zevlov states being superior.

Recently our economy has begun to shift to service which has many economists worried. I am less so because I believe tech change will just give us another field to make money.

[Jabba]

On the subject of the richest country and intelligent people.

I understand that 98 % of the worlds computers run on Microsoft Windows the other 2 % I am sure would also include Apple.

I am not so sure if natural resources (which are always going to be exhausted one day) should be compared to technology and the riches and power it brings.

We all know that Bill Gates owns the Sultan of Brunei and now almost twice over...it would seem to me that this is a clear indication that Gates wealth is increasing while the Sultans wealth which is based mainly on natural Gas and Oil reserves doesn't seem to be doing as well these days.

I prefer the position of Gates over any oil sheik. I also understand that the Sultans wealth also includes some state owned assets.

An American with a virtual monopoly on the O/S that runs 98 % of the worlds computers and has gone onto being the richest man in the world through business enterprise doesn't sound to bad to me.

Then lets move onto the military...we saw Iraq get taken by the United States in around 20 days I am sure if they wanted and they really made an effort this time they could take the rest of the middle east in around 25 days.

Having natural resources isn't much good if you are unable to defend them of course. I would imagine the Kuwaiti royal family's finances took a fairly large hit when their neighbour Saddam decided to invade their country grab what he could before trashing the place and then being made to leave by George Snr and Co.

[zevolv]

well said Jabba

[graywolf624]

On the subject of the richest country and intelligent people.

I understand that 98 % of the worlds computers run on Microsoft Windows the other 2 % I am sure would also include Apple.

I am not so sure if natural resources (which are always going to be exhausted one day) should be compared to technology and the riches and power it brings.

We all know that Bill Gates owns the Sultan of Brunei and now almost twice over...it would seem to me that this is a clear indication that Gates wealth is increasing while the Sultans wealth which is based mainly on natural Gas and Oil reserves doesn't seem to be doing as well these days.

An American with a virtual monopoly on the O/S that runs 98 % of the worlds computers and has gone onto being the richest man in the world through business enterprise doesn't sound to bad to me.

Then lets move onto the military...we saw Iraq get taken by the United States in around 20 days I am sure if they wanted and they really made an effort this time they could take the rest of the middle east in around 25 days.

Having natural resources isn't much good if you are unable to defend them of course

I concur.

[geekdiggy]

which is why our country is richer and more powerful than yours

I doubt your country is richer than Dubai if you look at it per inhabitant.

...like the ricers, with the HP/litre answer...

exactly. next we'll start hearing that some countries had too much downforce or are waiting to get a replacement clutch

[graywolf624]

"serverworld then you'll get linux, unix, beowulf (those giant clusters), sun, ..."
Actually win 2k3 and 2k server both have a good hold on this market. Not 98 percent but above 50 percent at the moment. Also, take into account that home computers out number servers by a huge amount. His number of 98 percent is only slightly off. Linux, unix, sun , ect seem to be used more by computer companies and very rarely by other industries(the difference between needing the quick fix versus something large and elaborate).

Also mostly american in origins thamar. The actual software companies by and large are american. Where they are coded is another issue entirely.

currently unemployed network engineer/software engineer/information security specialist

[maalox]

Actually the United-States only declared war on Germany in 1941 after Germany declared war on the United-States. And just for those interested that was the last war in which the USA officially declared war on another country.


Yeah this is correct. The precise timeline was that Pearl Harbour occurred, with a late declaration of war by the Japanese (this was botched, they intended to declare just as the attack began). Germany declared war on the United States

[maalox]

Actually the United-States only declared war on Germany in 1941 after Germany declared war on the United-States. And just for those interested that was the last war in which the USA officially declared war on another country.


Yeah this is correct. The precise timeline was that Pearl Harbour occurred, with a late declaration of war by the Japanese (this was botched, they intended to declare just as the attack began). Germany declared war on the United States

[Jabba]

Jabba, you're wrong in that dude, maybe 98% of the home computers run winblows, but go to the serverworld then you'll get linux, unix, beowulf (those giant clusters), sun, ...

OK taking that into account and also how many home and office computers there are out there (some home and offices have more than one of course) what impact do you really think that would have on the figures...???

Even if it was like 90 - 95 % it wouldn't make any real difference to the point I was making and therefore I do not consider myself to be "wrong"

[RC45]

Jabba is correct in principle - look how few servers the *nix vebdors shipped (remember Compaq is now part of the HP number)

http://www.dataquest.com/press_gartner/quickstats/servers.html

[Jabba]

Are there any figures for PC'S and I guess an estimate of how many would be running an MS O/S ?

[RC45]

I looked for anything, but my Gartner subscription is up, and I couldn't log on with my previous employers account.. ;)

They have some good actual number slists. Server O/S vendors sales numbers, PC vendors unit and O/S sales numbers etc.

[Guest]

guys check out my "BUSH & GORE COMICS" thread in the Jokes And Humor
section.

it will give you a better idea of how stpuid that guy Bush actually is...

[666fast]

cross posting sucks

[Guest]

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[geekdiggy]

So if you really think about it, eventually the US will have to leave Iraq (after installing a puppet government), cos their getting their asses whooped every day.

our 500 dead soldiers versus the unstated thousands of iraqi dead soldiers.

our ass whooped, yeah right :roll:

[Guest]

So if you really think about it, eventually the US will have to leave Iraq (after installing a puppet government), cos their getting their asses whooped every day.

our 500 dead soldiers versus the unstated thousands of iraqi dead soldiers.

our ass whooped, yeah right :roll:

its nice to see someone show off about killing more people. :x
Obviously you killed more people thanks to using illegal weapons probably chemical and maybe even small nuclear warheads.

another thing is the iraqi's are ready to die so they can kick your asses out of their country, BUT your army on the other hand cries everytime a soldier is injured :cry: ...

ohh and another thing... without their big guns your soldiers wouldn't dare tread on iraqi ground. Have you heard "geekdiggy" about the stories of American Army soldiers RUNNING AWAY from the army to other countries becos they can't take it anymore. their pissing their pants. :lol:

[Guest]

PLEASE try to keep this discussion on a mature level. No need to get childish. You have to admit whats true, stop denying it. Also read the entire post before answering.

[jpatino03]

We are nasty animals. think about it-when we go to work, we always try to get ahead, the most for youself at the expense of others. Nations are no different. The U.S. happened to get a lucky turn of events and came out on top. When someone has something that no one else does, people are gonna bitch. Guess what-there's not a DAMN thing you can do about it, so you whiners might as well shut the fuck up.

As for the WMD's-who said that's a bad thing? The world could use a nice nuclear winter or two as a rest. Humanity is a disease. In the end, life is pointless and fickle anyway, you might as well do whatever the hell you want while you're here.

[Jabba]

So if you really think about it, eventually the US will have to leave Iraq (after installing a puppet government), cos their getting their asses whooped every day.

our 500 dead soldiers versus the unstated thousands of iraqi dead soldiers.

our ass whooped, yeah right :roll:

Exactly...this is the part that made me laugh the most :

"I know the US army is more advanced, but Trust me, the Iraqi army is huge in numbers. If the US went head to head, it would take them at least a few months to enter baghdad, since the iraqi army would be on the defensive side, and would have the advantage of strategic terrain."


damn a few months....you are also forgetting the US went easy on Iraq to preserve the Infrastructure of the country...we didn't even get to see the MOAB (mother of all bombs) dropped.


You remind me of the Iraqi information minister (comical ali) declaring that Iraq were winning the war as the US 3rd mechanized infantry division were coming up the road behind him...LOL...

[Jabba]

PLEASE try to keep this discussion on a mature level. No need to get childish.

I was unaware that you had been appointed a moderator to start judging what people are posting.

[Guest]

So if you really think about it, eventually the US will have to leave Iraq (after installing a puppet government), cos their getting their asses whooped every day.

our 500 dead soldiers versus the unstated thousands of iraqi dead soldiers.

our ass whooped, yeah right :roll:

Exactly...this is the part that made me laugh the most :

"I know the US army is more advanced, but Trust me, the Iraqi army is huge in numbers. If the US went head to head, it would take them at least a few months to enter baghdad, since the iraqi army would be on the defensive side, and would have the advantage of strategic terrain."


damn a few months....you are also forgetting the US went easy on Iraq to preserve the Infrastructure of the country...we didn't even get to see the MOAB (mother of all bombs) dropped.


You remind me of the Iraqi information minister (comical ali) declaring that Iraq were winning the war as the US 3rd mechanized infantry division were coming up the road behind him...LOL...

man that stuff isnt just my own. i've heard that from expert military analysts. THe US Went EASY !!!!?? are you joking....Most of the Infrastructure of Iraq was destroyed and still is. I've seen interviews with iraqi people from the street saying there is no water or electricity in other cities, and your saying the Infrastructure was preserved .... hahahah :o

ohh and how do you know that the mother of whatever bomb wasn't used. Is that because they told you so..

The only thing that was preserved was the oil drilling equipment ..

how can you think you now more just becos you see it on TV, when i actually live in that area. .

check this site http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

here is a site for that famous aljazeera news network. this is the truth of what happens.
http://www.aljazeera.com/a1.asp

[Guest]

PLEASE try to keep this discussion on a mature level. No need to get childish.

I was unaware that you had been appointed a moderator to start judging what people are posting.

i was trying to calm geekdiggy and myself down.

[Jabba]

The only thing that was preserved was the oil drilling equipment ..



Here we go again **yawn**



how can you think you now more just becos you see it on TV, when i actually live in that area. .



and how do you know that I dont have family, friends and business interests in the "area"

[Jabba]

PLEASE try to keep this discussion on a mature level. No need to get childish.

I was unaware that you had been appointed a moderator to start judging what people are posting.

i was trying to calm geekdiggy and myself down.

Do you need to be calmed down geekdiggy ?

[Guest]

alright man you stick to what ever you think. Ok

good luck with your business interests in the "area".

[Jabba]

alright man you stick to what ever you think. Ok

good luck with your business interests in the "area".

Yes I will... its called reality.

I don't really believe in good luck but thanks anyway.

[novass]

So if you really think about it, eventually the US will have to leave Iraq (after installing a puppet government), cos their getting their asses whooped every day. It just sad how 1 man such as Bush can lead his entire nation down the wrong path, and no one was able to stop him.


How, exactly, is Iraq whooping our ass?

[Guest]

im gona delete my earlier posts, i don't have enough time to argue.

[Jabba]

i don't have enough time to argue.

Or you realise that you don't have an argument as you were wrong.

[Guest]

i don't have enough time to argue.

Or you realise that you don't have an argument as you were wrong.

my argument is the same arugment as the entire population of the middle east. Your saying their all wrong, right Jabba ?
its pointless to argue with people with such a limited one-sided mind.

[geekdiggy]

its nice to see someone show off about killing more people. :x
Obviously you killed more people thanks to using illegal weapons probably chemical and maybe even small nuclear warheads.

who said anything about bragging? you said we were getting our asses kicked, and i gave you the big YEAH RIGHT seeing as for every toe on an american's foot there's five dead iraqi soldiers. again, our asses whooped, yeah right :roll:

another thing is the iraqi's are ready to die so they can kick your asses out of their country

yeah but see the thing is, they died, but we still kicked THEIR ASS, and marched into the country and stole their hated leader. oops, down you go again

BUT your army on the other hand cries everytime a soldier is injured :cry: ...[quote[

see but that's cuz our country actually CARES about the people we send to fight, whereas your country will sacrifice five year old to become a human bomb just to take out a handful of US soldiers

[quote]ohh and another thing... without their big guns your soldiers wouldn't dare tread on iraqi ground.

but we did. and what do we have to show for it?
http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/fa3a34ab.jpg

[geekdiggy]

its nice to see someone show off about killing more people. :x
Obviously you killed more people thanks to using illegal weapons probably chemical and maybe even small nuclear warheads.

who said anything about bragging? you said we were getting our asses kicked, and i gave you the big YEAH RIGHT seeing as for every toe on an american's foot there's five dead iraqi soldiers. again, our asses whooped, yeah right :roll:

another thing is the iraqi's are ready to die so they can kick your asses out of their country

yeah but see the thing is, they died, but we still kicked THEIR ASS, and marched into the country and stole their hated leader. oops, down you go again

BUT your army on the other hand cries everytime a soldier is injured :cry: ...[quote]

see but that's cuz our country actually CARES about the people we send to fight, whereas your country will sacrifice five year old to become a human bomb just to take out a handful of US soldiers

[quote]ohh and another thing... without their big guns your soldiers wouldn't dare tread on iraqi ground.

but we did. and what do we have to show for it?
http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/fa3a34ab.jpg

[geekdiggy]

shit the edit button isn't working

[Guest]

for geekdiggy:

i wasn't talking about the iraqi army. It's the regular street people that are currently doing the ass kicking.
Well you said it yourself, you caught Saddam, thanks a lot. Now go scram find another place with oil in it.

[geekdiggy]

man that stuff isnt just my own. i've heard that from expert military analysts. THe US Went EASY !!!!?? are you joking....Most of the Infrastructure of Iraq was destroyed and still is. I've seen interviews with iraqi people from the street saying there is no water or electricity in other cities, and your saying the Infrastructure was preserved .... hahahah :o

ohh and how do you know that the mother of whatever bomb wasn't used. Is that because they told you so..

The only thing that was preserved was the oil drilling equipment ..

how can you think you now more just becos you see it on TV, when i actually live in that area. .

check this site http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

here is a site for that famous aljazeera news network. this is the truth of what happens.
http://www.aljazeera.com/a1.asp

^^^that's how you can tell someone really doesn't know what they're saying or doing in a conversation, when they start talking gibberish like that. i'm done with you

[Guest]

you have to wait 25 seconds before you can edit your post again. i read that somewhere.

[Guest]

what gibberish ?? the biggest and most respected new agency in the middle east is gibberish...

man i feel sorry for the likes of you. You would believe anything.

[Jabba]

its pointless to argue with people with such a limited one-sided mind.

Yes I agree with you there....but I am sure there is still hope for you.

[geekdiggy]

i don't have enough time to argue.

Or you realise that you don't have an argument as you were wrong.

my argument is the same arugment as the entire population of the middle east. Your saying their all wrong, right Jabba ?
its pointless to argue with people with such a limited one-sided mind.

yeah and i can see how your mind is multi-dimensional in this discussion huh :roll: you suck at this stuff

[Jabba]

shit the edit button isn't working

The edit and delete function have been temporarily removed as someone was abusing it to remove and modify posts that could make the thread look confusing.

[Guest]

ah shit. I thought this forum had decent people on it, then you proved me wrong by acting like morons.

fine your better at this writing shit, but my ideas are still right.

[Jabba]

ah shit. I thought this forum had decent people on it

and so did I until recently.

[geekdiggy]

ah shit. I thought this forum had decent people on it, then you proved me wrong by acting like morons.

your feelings are hurt and i rest my case

with the way this discussion has gone the last two pages i don't see any reason for it to remain open. it'll just end up like every other thread on this topic

[Guest]

man your the ones that took it so personally. You didn't have to get smart. The thing was about the Bush and his actions. I don't why you tried to defend him so much.

[geekdiggy]

by the sounds of things, the only one who took it personally was you. and nobody in the beloved state of sanity would ever defend bush. you're dreaming

btw, thanks for causing the edit function to be removed

[Guest]

im sure the edit will return one day.

you did take it personnaly when i said Whopping your ass.
I wasn't refering to your own ass, but to the U.S. army. For somereason you felt you had to defend your army since you are american so it makes sense.

anyway forget it.

[geekdiggy]

it's like your logic gets worse and worse with every comment you make.

but i don't care cuz it gives me a reason to try and catch up with TT

[graywolf624]

How the heck did this thread get revived? Let it be people.. shesh.

[Guest]

im trying to let it go, but geekdiggy :fist: keeps acting like a moron. it's probably the ability to hide behind his computer screen on the internet and dis people that makes him do it. I bet he's a coward in real life.

TT please lock this post.

[Guest]

for some reason Jabba took out the Edit function, after i edited one of my earlier posts. I was trying to remove it to avoid even more argument with them.

[TT]

It's pointless to edit posts if they started the flaming since ppl coming afterwards won't understand a fuck...

[Guest]

It's pointless to edit posts if they started the flaming since ppl coming afterwards won't understand a fuck...

fine then return the EDIT so i can re-post my old posts. So that everybody can Understand.

[TT]

Just let it go, it's to late anyway.. and let this topic fall toward the bottom of the page

[Jabba]

for some reason Jabba took out the Edit function, after i edited one of my earlier posts. I was trying to remove it to avoid even more argument with them.

Your intentions might have been good...but that is why some forums remove the edit function...as it can be very confusing to follow a thread through from the beginning when some of it is missing.

TT knows I feel very strongly about deleting anything...and before he deletes threads he moves them to a special section for me to review first...

The edit and delete functions are only there for you to correct minor mistakes....not for you to re-write the whole thread...if you don't like the outcome of it.

[Guest]

alright then. it's the first time i've been a memeber in a forum. i wont delete and edit stuff again, and im going to let the topic go..

just tell that Geekdiggy guy to mind his own business, instead of replying with a stupid comment to every post i make(even in other thread).

thanks

[geekdiggy]

mind my own business on a public forum? :roll:

[geekdiggy]

im trying to let it go, but geekdiggy :fist: keeps acting like a moron. it's probably the ability to hide behind his computer screen on the internet and dis people that makes him do it. I bet he's a coward in real life.

i hate to inform you, but every single person who posts on a forum is hiding behind a computer (well in front of it actually). what do you want me to do, fly to where you live to talk shit? :roll: in case you haven't noticed, YOU TOO are dissing ME from a computer, so you're no better than i am. and i'm a coward? that's a pretty bold statement coming from someone who knows nothing about me. but if there's anything proven, at least i'm the one of us two that has common sense

[i_hate_the_enzo]

oh my god, you guys are arguing like a married catholic couple. america is ignorant because we dont have any knowledge about other countrys, and heres the kicker, we dont care...thats the problem...i hope i didnt piss anyone off with the truth. okay, time to hold hands and sing koombaya

[corvette97]

Hahahahahaha, wtf, AME are u kidding right??? how can u say something bad about us army, and say that the iraq sold are beating the US army???, u are wrong, may the war in iraq is cuz of the oil and shit, but hussein is a bastard and a piece of carp, i dont agree with war because kills inocent ppl, but the ppl from that area behave like animals!

[i_hate_the_enzo]

Hahahahahaha, wtf, AME are u kidding right??? how can u say something bad about us army, and say that the iraq sold are beating the US army???, u are wrong, may the war in iraq is cuz of the oil and shit, but hussein is a bastard and a piece of carp, i dont agree with war because kills inocent ppl, but the ppl from that area behave like animals!

little racist are we?

[corvette97]

isnt called racism is called REALITY

[geekdiggy]

but hussein is a bastard and a piece of carp

http://pound.med.utoronto.ca/~jason/carp.gif

^^saddam "the fish" hussein

[antonioledesma]

u are wrong, may the war in iraq is cuz of the oil and shit, but hussein is a bastard and a piece of carp, i dont agree with war because kills inocent ppl, but the ppl from that area behave like animals!

little racist are we?

vette97, you say ppl from that are behave like animals is because you don't know a single person who lives or lived in middle east.
their way of living may be a little strange to us, but also your traditions are strange to them.

maybe saddam was/is a bastard, but also many world leaders (wont say names), and by only ONE person you can't judge all the community or country. Your country and mine don't have excellent leaders, and because of them you and I aren't corrupt money-grabbin' stinkin' pigs

the only thing we need is to really get to know other cultures, ppl and their way of living. I try to read first about something I don't have a clue or not much of an idea and then speak my opinion, keeping a safe distance

[Jabba]

but hussein is a bastard and a piece of carp

I always new there was something fishy about him..... :wink: