Bugatti veyron engineering masterpiece or best car on earth?

[pagani]

I have a little poll for you all
What is the bugatti veyron?
Please explain your choice to me.
8)

[RAMMIUS]

Fine engineering some would say, although when they launched the car apparently a shitload of them didn`t start (I read it somewhere), so a big question mark remains about reliability.

The more important issue is the complete lack of soul :)

Anyway, If I`d have all the money that I`d want, I wouldn`t bother to get a Veyron, for me it just isn`t that attractive.

[gis]

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

[pagani]

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

[yg60m]

Engineering masterpiece as intended by most testers (recently Tiff Needell), making such 2 tons/1000 bhp car holding the road properly and safely is quite an achievement.
Now the best car in the world ... Everyone as his own opinion of what it should be and I guess that it even depends on the situation :wink: Sometimes I dream of a van/monospace for my familly and sometimes I would love a Supercar :P :mrgreen:

[gis]

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D

[pagani]

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D
I kown some cars that could beat it.
Like a ultima gtr whit a v8 twin turbo engine.
The ones i posted in the american muscle section.
And the norris evo 9 swb the rc developments evo 9 the time attack car
:D 8)

[nthfinity]

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D
I kown some cars that could beat it.
Like a ultima gtr whit a v8 twin turbo engine.
The ones i posted in the american muscle section.
And the norris evo 9 swb the rc developments evo 9 the time attack car
:D 8)

The Ultima GTR TT will have the same problems other TT RWD HiPo cars do.... traction. For a 100% street car for the street, nothing touches the Veyron's 0-100 time of 5.5 seconds. Even the Ultima is a full second behind to 100 mph.

The Evo you speak of is a drag car, and overall POS... hardly what I'd call even "OK" on a road course. The Ultima will dominate on a road course, but most definitely not livable on the street. the Hennesey... I've spoken with Steve Millen who drove the cars in the R+T article.. the Venom is damn scary at speed, like all Viper's... but it will do it. Hardly comparable to everything that Bugatti accomplished in the Veyron.

Next week, C+D is doing a 0-200-0 shootout, and a new victor will be crowned in the 0-200 range... and likely the same car will be fastest overall :)

On top of that, the Veyron is the only of these cars which is truly exotic, and truly production.

It is the ultimate street car... the greatest car? no.

[bmagni]

There have been quite a few discussions about this in the past... :wink:

I've voted for "engineering masterpiece". Why? because having 1000hp in a relatively compact supercar (the Diablo or the Zonda are so much bigger than the Bug), being the fastest GT with a top speed of 400kmh, that actually handles pretty decently also on track, where you don't need to be Schumacher to drive fast and enjoy it, that can be a good daily car as well, with a marvelous gearbox, an astonishing V16 quad-turbo engine... you need more? :wink: :P

don't steal my posts dani :P
just as he says

[pagani]

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D
I kown some cars that could beat it.
Like a ultima gtr whit a v8 twin turbo engine.
The ones i posted in the american muscle section.
And the norris evo 9 swb the rc developments evo 9 the time attack car
:D 8)

The Ultima GTR TT will have the same problems other TT RWD HiPo cars do.... traction. For a 100% street car for the street, nothing touches the Veyron's 0-100 time of 5.5 seconds. Even the Ultima is a full second behind to 100 mph.

The Evo you speak of is a drag car, and overall POS... hardly what I'd call even "OK" on a road course. The Ultima will dominate on a road course, but most definitely not livable on the street. the Hennesey... I've spoken with Steve Millen who drove the cars in the R+T article.. the Venom is damn scary at speed, like all Viper's... but it will do it. Hardly comparable to everything that Bugatti accomplished in the Veyron.

Next week, C+D is doing a 0-200-0 shootout, and a new victor will be crowned in the 0-200 range... and likely the same car will be fastest overall :)

On top of that, the Veyron is the only of these cars which is truly exotic, and truly production.

It is the ultimate street car... the greatest car? no.

First of all the norris is good all round car not dragracer.
Rc developments evo is also very fast all round car both will beat the veyron round a track.
This also will beat the veyron custom jun auto nissan 350 z awd time attack
YouTube
http://www.bigredcamaro.com/newsite/
All just as fast as the veyron expect maby on topspeed.
:D 8)

[nthfinity]

First of all the norris is good all round car not dragracer.
Rc developments evo is also very fast all round car both will beat the veyron round a track.
This also will beat the veyron custom jun auto nissan 350 z awd time attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4dBEim3jdE
http://www.bigredcamaro.com/newsite/
All just as fast as the veyron expect maby on topspeed.
:D 8)

Again, These cars may be faster, but they are hardly street cars anymore... let alone, production, or as comfortable, luxurious etc. etc. etc.

[pagani]

First of all the norris is good all round car not dragracer.
Rc developments evo is also very fast all round car both will beat the veyron round a track.
This also will beat the veyron custom jun auto nissan 350 z awd time attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4dBEim3jdE
http://www.bigredcamaro.com/newsite/
All just as fast as the veyron expect maby on topspeed.
:D 8)

Again, These cars may be faster, but they are hardly street cars anymore... let alone, production, or as comfortable, luxurious etc. etc. etc.

I based what i said on pure performance not on a full interior or production car etc.
I agree with you.
:D 8)

[yg60m]

I agree, they also make a mistake when they (I think to Autocar but it seems most magazines makes the comparison too when they drove the Caparo recently) compare the Caparo T1 with the Veyron as one is a car you can use every day in every condition while the other is a barely legal race car ...

[bmagni]

I agree, they also make a mistake when they (I think to Autocar but it seems most magazines makes the comparison too when they drove the Caparo recently) compare the Caparo T1 with the Veyron as one is a car you can use every day in every condition while the other is a barely legal race car ...

and the caparo can't reach 253 mph... and has reliability problems...

[pagani]

I agree, they also make a mistake when they (I think to Autocar but it seems most magazines makes the comparison too when they drove the Caparo recently) compare the Caparo T1 with the Veyron as one is a car you can use every day in every condition while the other is a barely legal race car ...
I guess i would take the veyron as my daily driver and the caparo as my weekend car/track car.
Maby i would tow my trackcar with the veyron.
:D 8) :lol:

[pagani]

I wonder if bugatti could make clubsport version of the veyron?
Something little more hardcore for the track?
8) :P

[nthfinity]

I agree, they also make a mistake when they (I think to Autocar but it seems most magazines makes the comparison too when they drove the Caparo recently) compare the Caparo T1 with the Veyron as one is a car you can use every day in every condition while the other is a barely legal race car ...
I guess i would take the veyron as my daily driver and the caparo as my weekend car/track car.
Maby i would tow my trackcar with the veyron.
:D 8) :lol:

Porsche CGT as a daily

Veyron as the ultimate... you don't just daily drive this car IMHO

Caparo as a purpose built track car that happens to be street legal

Vector W8 'cause its badass awesome and fast!

[gangajas]

The Veyron is a complete package, you can't compare it to some ridicously powerful tuned cars

[5vz-fe]

make mine a Ruf RT12 + a house

[pagani]

I agree, they also make a mistake when they (I think to Autocar but it seems most magazines makes the comparison too when they drove the Caparo recently) compare the Caparo T1 with the Veyron as one is a car you can use every day in every condition while the other is a barely legal race car ...
I guess i would take the veyron as my daily driver and the caparo as my weekend car/track car.
Maby i would tow my trackcar with the veyron.
:D 8) :lol:

Porsche CGT as a daily

Veyron as the ultimate... you don't just daily drive this car IMHO

Caparo as a purpose built track car that happens to be street legal

Vector W8 'cause its badass awesome and fast!
If it was my list the vector would be mclaren f1.
And some other cars.
:D 8)

[acmarttin]

I'd daily drive a Ferrari F40. And have a Harrier Jumpjet as my ultimate "get-around-town" vehicle.

I said engineering masterpiece. I think a few people have already nailed my sentiments on the issue straight on the head - any car could be the "best car on earth" to the right person. And to this person the Bugatti Veyron is pretty cool, but not the ultimate.

[pagani]

i'd say: BOTH.

the car is amazing. nice to finally see others coming around on here...i remember when it was launched, people on here were SO negative....but it's really really REALLY hard to argue against the Veyron. It really is one of a kind.



I guess it grows on you.
:D 8)

[sentra_dude]

Eh, sure this car is fast and makes the best of its 2 ton weight...but its got no soul, its ugly, and its way too heavy. Sure, it does a lot considering it's weight...but imagine how much better it could be if it weighed less.

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D
I kown some cars that could beat it.
Like a ultima gtr whit a v8 twin turbo engine.
The ones i posted in the american muscle section.
And the norris evo 9 swb the rc developments evo 9 the time attack car
:D 8)

The Ultima GTR TT will have the same problems other TT RWD HiPo cars do.... traction. For a 100% street car for the street, nothing touches the Veyron's 0-100 time of 5.5 seconds. Even the Ultima is a full second behind to 100 mph.


You sure about that? ;)

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/records/poster2lr.pdf

Ultima GTR
0-60 2.6sec
0-100 5.4sec

[nthfinity]

Eh, sure this car is fast and makes the best of its 2 ton weight...but its got no soul, its ugly, and its way too heavy. Sure, it does a lot considering it's weight...but imagine how much better it could be if it weighed less.

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D
I kown some cars that could beat it.
Like a ultima gtr whit a v8 twin turbo engine.
The ones i posted in the american muscle section.
And the norris evo 9 swb the rc developments evo 9 the time attack car
:D 8)

The Ultima GTR TT will have the same problems other TT RWD HiPo cars do.... traction. For a 100% street car for the street, nothing touches the Veyron's 0-100 time of 5.5 seconds. Even the Ultima is a full second behind to 100 mph.


You sure about that? ;)

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/records/poster2lr.pdf

Ultima GTR
0-60 2.6sec
0-100 5.4sec

I was thinking of a past test i suppose....

In any case.
What tires
How many are made
Who builds the engine
can any owner do it just as good?
how streetable is it?

[sentra_dude]

Eh, sure this car is fast and makes the best of its 2 ton weight...but its got no soul, its ugly, and its way too heavy. Sure, it does a lot considering it's weight...but imagine how much better it could be if it weighed less.

oh boy this topic and poll is gonna start some arguments......

anyway i voted engineering masterpiece,simply because it has the best of everything,hence why for them to build one,they lose out on so much when bought by someone.as they said,they did it just to prove it could be done.

That exactly what i want.
I also agree whit engineering masterpiece but i still think that their cars out there whit better performance.
:D 8)

ah yes i should have added that,i dont think its the only car in the world with this performance,im sure there are or will be cars that out accelerate it even if only just,hennessey (sp?) have already shown they have a car that can get that acceleration top end.just personally i beleive the veyron can do these speeds in a more comfortable and relaxed way simply because it has the best of everything on it for comfort and performance,but as said many times......so it should for the price you pay for one and for the price it costs to make one :D
I kown some cars that could beat it.
Like a ultima gtr whit a v8 twin turbo engine.
The ones i posted in the american muscle section.
And the norris evo 9 swb the rc developments evo 9 the time attack car
:D 8)

The Ultima GTR TT will have the same problems other TT RWD HiPo cars do.... traction. For a 100% street car for the street, nothing touches the Veyron's 0-100 time of 5.5 seconds. Even the Ultima is a full second behind to 100 mph.


You sure about that? ;)

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/records/poster2lr.pdf

Ultima GTR
0-60 2.6sec
0-100 5.4sec

I was thinking of a past test i suppose....

In any case.
What tires
How many are made
Who builds the engine
can any owner do it just as good?
how streetable is it?

Info:
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/records/part6.html

Goodyear Eagle F1's just from looking at the pictures.

I'd assume they make as many as they can sell.

"The Ultima GTR used for the successful record attempt was the factory’s standard production specification Ultima GTR640 demonstrator, which has recently been upgraded with a 720bhp Chevrolet V8 engine, and hence now known as the Ultima GTR720. The GTR720 was fully road legal, road tyred and equipped with a standard 5 speed G50 transmission and a standard production engine option from Ultima’s official OE engine suppliers American Speed. No traction control devices or ABS braking aids were used." -Ultima website

If you're asking, is it as easy as stomping on the gas and holding on to get these 0-100mph times, hell no! Its a beast!

Streetable, well obviously it isn't the lap of luxury like a Veyron is, but;

"Furthermore the GTR720 is available at a fraction of the price of all other supercars and is also fantastic to drive at more sedate road speeds with its road friendly engine. It is currently being used as my daily driver in all weather conditions." - Richard Marlow (no idea who he is besides being an owner)

I'm sure an Ultima could hold its on out on the street.

The main point is just that the Ultima isn't a second slower to 100mph than the Veyron...

Annnyways, that was a thread hi-jack on my part, so back to the original subject, sorry about that... :D

[nthfinity]

Thanks 0X

[RC45]

It is as good as the electronic aids allow it to be. This qualifies it as an "engineering masterpiece" - but because the car is NOTHING without its supercomputer we can't say it is an "automotive engineering masterpiece".

An "automotive" masterpiece needs to focus on the "driving" not the "autopiloting" the army of german engineers manage to accomplished.

Strange to think the germans produced the CGT and the Vaaroon :P

[bmagni]

i'd say: BOTH.

the car is amazing. nice to finally see others coming around on here...i remember when it was launched, people on here were SO negative....but it's really really REALLY hard to argue against the Veyron. It really is one of a kind.

I still dislike it, don't worry ;)

[pagani]

It is as good as the electronic aids allow it to be. This qualifies it as an "engineering masterpiece" - but because the car is NOTHING without its supercomputer we can't say it is an "automotive engineering masterpiece".

An "automotive" masterpiece needs to focus on the "driving" not the "autopiloting" the army of german engineers manage to accomplished.

Strange to think the germans produced the CGT and the Vaaroon :P

I wonder wath could happend if one the computers crashed on the veyron??

But there is on big weakness on the veyron the lack of emotion of driving fun you can hardly drift or make powerslide whit it you can't have any normal fun whit that you could have whit other that are maby slower but more fun to drive.
:D 8) :?:

[pagani]

i'd say: BOTH.

the car is amazing. nice to finally see others coming around on here...i remember when it was launched, people on here were SO negative....but it's really really REALLY hard to argue against the Veyron. It really is one of a kind.

I still dislike it, don't worry ;)

I like it because it's engineering masterpiece but that cars out that are meby not the full package like the veyron but have same performance and are fun to drive.


The veyron is like to f22 very advanced huge step forward in engineering.
And the other cars are like p51 mustang or a supermarine spitfire less advanced than veyron but much more fun to fly.
A pilot's plane.
:D 8)

[pagani]

I waiting for the best motoring test of the veyron what will the driftking make of this car?
:D 8) :?

[nthfinity]

It is as good as the electronic aids allow it to be. This qualifies it as an "engineering masterpiece" - but because the car is NOTHING without its supercomputer we can't say it is an "automotive engineering masterpiece".

An "automotive" masterpiece needs to focus on the "driving" not the "autopiloting" the army of german engineers manage to accomplished.

Strange to think the germans produced the CGT and the Vaaroon :P

I wonder wath could happend if one the computers crashed on the veyron??

But there is on big weakness on the veyron the lack of emotion of driving fun you can hardly drift or make powerslide whit it you can't have any normal fun whit that you could have whit other that are maby slower but more fun to drive.
:D 8) :?:

did you watch the new 5th gear video?

Also, try to say the Veeeeeeeyron doesn't command a presence among the finest auto's in the world when seeing them in person. ;)

[pagani]

It is as good as the electronic aids allow it to be. This qualifies it as an "engineering masterpiece" - but because the car is NOTHING without its supercomputer we can't say it is an "automotive engineering masterpiece".

An "automotive" masterpiece needs to focus on the "driving" not the "autopiloting" the army of german engineers manage to accomplished.

Strange to think the germans produced the CGT and the Vaaroon :P

I wonder wath could happend if one the computers crashed on the veyron??

But there is on big weakness on the veyron the lack of emotion of driving fun you can hardly drift or make powerslide whit it you can't have any normal fun whit that you could have whit other that are maby slower but more fun to drive.
:D 8) :?:

did you watch the new 5th gear video?

Also, try to say the Veeeeeeeyron doesn't command a presence among the finest auto's in the world when seeing them in person. ;)
I have full video on my website watched it several times.
And i have not seen one in real life.
All that what i have said was based on the videos i have seen on the veyron i like the styling in think it looks very understated compared to the other supercars.
:D 8)

[martin100]

I voted for engineering masterpiece aswell, and no one can deny that! I can´t tell if it´s the best car in the world cause i haven´t and most likely never will drive it :wink: I simply can´t compare it to anything else! Only someone who has all the great cars in the world like the Sheiks could decide something like that. But when just reviewing it by the performance data and all the different magazine and TV programme reviews (esp. TG), i think it could be called the best car in the world.

Personally, this is my favourite car simply because of the fact that it exists and works as it is, and that it is German 8)

[pagani]

I voted for engineering masterpiece aswell, and no one can deny that! I can´t tell if it´s the best car in the world cause i haven´t and most likely never will drive it :wink: I simply can´t compare it to anything else! Only someone who has all the great cars in the world like the Sheiks could decide something like that. But when just reviewing it by the performance data and all the different magazine and TV programme reviews (esp. TG), i think it could be called the best car in the world.

Personally, this is my favourite car simply because of the
fact that it exists and works as it is, and that it is German 8)
Veyron or not the mclaren f1 is still my favorite car.
But that's a personal choice of me.
:D 8)

[fsandys]

It's fantastic, great achievement and I really want to vote 1 & 3 but certainly not 2.