Is the koenigsegg better than the Mclaren??

[BACR]

The Koenigsegg is lighter, more aurodinamic, and produces more power than the mclaren F1. It produces 655 bhp from a supercharged v8 engine!!

The figures were that it could do 0 to 60mph in 3 seconds flat and go on to a top speed of 245 mph which makes it the fastest car in the world

[666fast]

It very well could be faster, but they have yet to do so officially. So untill then, the McLaren is still faster.
On numbers alone, yes, I would say the Koenigsegg is better. But which would you rather have? My answer is the McLaren and I'm sure it's the same for most people.
Although I wouldn't mind having a Koenigsegg one bit. But if you can afford a McLaren, you should be able to have both.

[veilsidebr]

Well, it´s too fast too...But i prefer to stay with both ultimate cars hehehe
Maclaren F1 is more beautiful...Koeniggzegg CC is a litle faster, but both can trap the first launched Km in less than 18 seconds....at more than 280 km/h!!
i sad, 0-1000 m in 18 seconds.... tooooooooooo fast!!!!!!!!!!
Read my topic "The Secrects of a good Performance" it´s about the Maclaren F1

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[BACR]

ye good review on the mclaren man. but ye i agree should be able to afford both

[Fleischmann]

Prestige man...I'd pick the F1 :)

[sentra_dude]

Where have you seen that the Koenigsegg is lighter than the F1? I'm just curious, because the F1 is 1134 kg, and the Koenigsegg is 1170kg. I know it's not a big difference...~35kg/75lbs; but I am very particular about what people say about the F1 lol, ;-).

[Chingachgook]

I don't know,maybe in straight line the CC8S is faster,on the race track depends on the setting used (the CC8S is fully adjustable). For Evo is very good, maybe because of teh better handling is faster than the McLaren.

[veilsidebr]

Well, according to Best Motoring test video that i have here in my pc, they´ve traped the first 1/4 mile in 11.1 seconds with the Maclaren F1..very good time, i think the CC would do it in the house of 11´s too...i saw the Top Gear about it, and, in my opinion, the acceleration is the same of the maclaren f1...
i calculate the 1/4 mile is in the house of 11´s...but for a quarter mile pass, we´ll have to consider about 0.5 seconds of mistake merge, such as gear change style, reaction time and going or not until the red line of the tachometer....it´s very relative, but i think they´re 2 are equal...

[spicymustard]

Is the koenigsegg better than the Mclaren??



NO

[BACR]

well on a top gear review it was said it was lighter but after a bit of research it is not soz.

think the mclaren still has the lead

[astonmartinandy]

They are both great cars, but then for me it has still to be the McLaren. For the money it just seems to be ideal car, afterall it was built as one man's dream. Thing with the Koenigsegg is that it is entering production and so (relatively) won't be as rare as the F1.

I think the roof is the problem with the Koenigsegg; to me a detachable roof doesn't say supreme hypercar.

[BACR]

ye i agree i kinda think they mucked up the zonda when the made the detachable roof version. it just loses that supercar title

[yugo]

Nothing is more faster than a McLaren F1. though the Koeniggzegg es very fast this is made in 2002 and Mclaren in 1992. Ten years before.

[cho_888]

for me its the F1, it just seems a little fuller. It was built with no compromises in mind, and the CC really its much for me except for fast. its not truly exotic and its not a ferrari so there for it much be pretty outstanding to be outstanding.
yet still the F1.

[AlienDB7]

I love ikea furnitures so I'll pick the Koenigsegg :mrgreen:

Joking aside, the mclaren F1 is *still* better than every other supercars in the world. First of all, it has centre driving position, something no other supercars in its class has. Then, there's the NA engine. What's the point of having a supercar if it's supercharged or turbo'ed? You can get the same amount of power from a 4 banger using forced induction nowadays.

So, mclaren F1 all the way!

[twboy1999]

koniseggg is probably a bit faster on the straight line
and probably a better track car then McClaren(2 much body roll)

but i think special edition of McClaren would rape konisegg like the LM edition, etc


and i would definitly choose F1 since is a legend

and koniseggg just came out not long ago

[Leo_M3]

Even if the CC is faster and has a higher cornering speed, I will still take the Mclaren, its simply better. I mean you could use that car every day, the steering is light and you have luggage space!!!
And that BMW V12.... :mrgreen:

I think the CC would corner better, the F1 rolls a fair bit for a car of its class

[gucom]

hmmm i think koenigsegg will beat the standard F1 on circuits and in straight line, but i dont think it has all the qualities of the F1, like the increadible throttle response, cos its a turbocharged car. Plus the F1 looks better IMO, and its more of an uncompromised car, no electronic aid systems.
i like the koenigsegg ALOT, but its just not a McLaren F1, too bad.
BTW a McLaren F1 LM would be faster, cos this car is even lighter, and its about as powerful as the koenigsegg, and its got hardly any roadgoing compromise, look for instance at the ground clearance, unusable on the open roads, but it will make it faster on a circuit

[HeilSvenska]

Of course F1 seems better and it probably is better because it came out from an FREANKIN F1 team!!!!!!!! I'd say Koenigsegg did an awesome job considering that they are new starters in the business.

Come on people though... Tempur seats? Crazy start button sequence? Ichthyomorphic design (fish-like design)? Dihedral Synchro-Helix Door???

I would get the Koenigsegg because of its Uber coolness and also mysteriousness...it gets people thinking..."what car was that?" for long time.


but i think special edition of McClaren would rape konisegg like the LM edition, etc


Of course it would ... LM edition??? unless Koenigsegg is going to make its own LM edition.

McLaren LM IS slower because of the aero aids which slows its top speed down, but makes it better in high speed racing.

HeilSvenska! Koenigsegg!!!

[gucom]

I think the roof is the problem with the Koenigsegg; to me a detachable roof doesn't say supreme hypercar.

lol ever heard of FERRARI F50??
its not the same, but u can convert it from a berlinetta to a barchetta, and still id say thats a pretty supreme hypercar

[robruf]

Racing drivers have compared the two and the F1 is still the king although they said that if Koenigsegg could sort of the little mistakes that it has, then it could be a great supercar, but surpass the F1, i don't think so.

[pimrusis]

The Koenigsegg is lighter, more aurodinamic, and produces more power than the mclaren F1. It produces 655 bhp from a supercharged v8 engine!!

The figures were that it could do 0 to 60mph in 3 seconds flat and go on to a top speed of 245 mph which makes it the fastest car in the world

Yes. It is better looking, the doors are cooler, it is faster, I imagine cheaper, and its got a few of those nessesities that make it easier to drive on the road (ABS, and Traction control - while you have it on). Plus, I hear that Mclaren doesn't let you do anything to the car, and tells you how to drive it (read previous threads for information) and it is harder to repair I would imagine.

[ferrari550]

I think the mclaren is still a better car, even though it is over 10 years old. The mclaren proved its 0 - 60mph of 3.2 and a top speed of 241mph, i have yet to see official figures of the koenigsegg. if i had a choice i wuold pick the F1 but the koenigsegg is still a sweet car.

[Ivanhoe]

wait till the cgt comes out, i can make a bet that it will be faster around the track than the f1. i dont really care bout 0-60 or 1/4 mile.

[gucom]

Plus, I hear that Mclaren doesn't let you do anything to the car, and tells you how to drive it (read previous threads for information) and it is harder to repair I would imagine.

those ppl on that car comment site r just a bunch of fools who drive honda civics or sumthing, they pretend they have F1s, but its just not true
(well maybe 1 of em is, but theres a couple of reviews, do u really think 10 percent of the F1 owners would post on that 1 site?? NO WAY).
McLaren does give evry new owner a driving course, where they tell u how to drive safely, which is VERY useful when ur not used to 627hp or more, on the rear wheels, without tractio control or anything like that.
But i know of a McLaren F1 which was tuned by McLaren to about 690HP, it was auctioned at christies last year. plus i think McLaren will happily do almost any modifications to ur car if u pay em enough

[oscargarza88]

even if the it were lighter and faste i would still prefer to stay with the mc laren because it wont be much slower and it has lots of prestigue, more thast the konig

[hemi_fan]

Even if it only made it up to 180mph, id choose it over the maclaren F1, mainly because of the V8 :fadein:

[gottacatchup]

the koenigsegg might be the faster car, although unofficialy, but its hard to classify it as a production car with less then 10 made a year, so mclaren remains the fastest production car in my mind

[gucom]

the koenigsegg might be the faster car, although unofficialy, but its hard to classify it as a production car with less then 10 made a year, so mclaren remains the fastest production car in my mind

lol McLaren made 72 road cars from 1993 to 1998, thats 5 years, thats 14.4 road cars a year, so the difference isnt that big

[Chingachgook]

The McLaren is the car that changed the world of supercar.Before it, there was the Diablo,the F40, after that we have the F50, the Enzo, the Carrera GT, the Pagani Zonda, the Koenigsegg...car more and more expensive, more sophisticated and faster. Maybe it's not the best handling car (Andretti, Wallace, Alan Jones said that's unstable at high speed and the cornering isn't as fast as other supercars) but it give you real thrills of driving. It has no drivinf aids at all, what you do, it' because you do it,not because nanny electronics modified you inputs.I think it's a pure supercar, made in a different way compared to the Enzo and Carrera GT.

[dylan99]

Both cars are just amazing, if I had to choose between the two of them I would take them both.

[SFDMALEX]

When will people start to see the overall picture and forget about the numbers?

Numbers are very important, but they dont mean much. Whana hear a story?

My friend fucked this fat chick, and he said that she was quite amazing in bed. She sucked dick like a pro, she moved her ass around like Asia Carrera, and she swalloed.

So this tells that something ugly can be good.

Another story?

There was this hot chick at a party once. I came on to her and things were looking good. It got hot, but I had to do all the fucking work. She was lying in there moaning and thats it.

Thats an example of a good exterior and specs but bad real life performance.

You get the picture?

The koenseg got great figures, but its ugly. Does it mean that its iether fast or good around the track? No. From what I've read so far on the car, its alright, but it aint no Macca beater. It can go straight, but when there are curves in the road, its big and heavy, and it does not like to wiggle its ass around to much. Its boring, and its soules. It does not like to turn, so I do not think that it will beat the McLaren around the track. But I have to agree it is very very possible. If the F50 ran faster then the Macca, Im pretty sure that the Egg can do it, but you can not base your assumptions strictly on numbers.

Anyway I would take the Macca over the Egg any day.

[gucom]

It can go straight, but when there are curves in the road, its big and heavy, and it does not like to wiggle its ass around to much. Its boring, and its soules. It does not like to turn, so I do not think that it will beat the McLaren around the track. But I have to agree it is very very possible. If the F50 ran faster then the Macca, Im pretty sure that the Egg can do it, but you can not base your assumptions strictly on numbers.

WTF??? BIG? its 4m19cm long, 9cm shorter than F1, 199 cm wide, thats some 17cm wider than the F1, and its 1.7cm high, thats 7cm lower than the F1, and thats ALOT
HEAVY?? it weighs 1175 kg, 35 more than F1 but still ALOT less than Enzo and Carrera GT, about 200kg difference with those last 2
Doesnt like to turn??? it can pull 1.15 lateral Gs, so its got grip as hell(F1 can pull 0.86)
Boring, soulless? Jeremy Clarkson said its his favourite supercar in his shootout recently, cos its the most fun of supercars u can buy today(not including Enzo or Carrera GT or Mercedes SLR McLaren)

[Fluxlo]

The McLaren is the car that changed the world of supercar.Before it, there was the Diablo,the F40, after that we have the F50, the Enzo, the Carrera GT, the Pagani Zonda, the Koenigsegg...car more and more expensive, more sophisticated and faster. Maybe it's not the best handling car (Andretti, Wallace, Alan Jones said that's unstable at high speed and the cornering isn't as fast as other supercars) but it give you real thrills of driving. It has no drivinf aids at all, what you do, it' because you do it,not because nanny electronics modified you inputs.I think it's a pure supercar, made in a different way compared to the Enzo and Carrera GT.

Heh, well according to an EVO magazine scan i read recently, The Zonda was influenced greatly by the F40. The f50 and Enzo were heavily influenced of the f1 cars. The Carrera GT was originally a Lemans car that scraped, but too good to pass up, so they converted it into a road car. Yes the f1 changed the supercar world, and influenced many cars after it. But Most of those aforementioned cars were more heavily influenced by other cars.

I'd still take the Mclaren f1 btw. The Zonda just tries to be a copy of a masterpiece, and it comes up short. The Mclaren F1 is the perfect supercar, and most likely it forever will be

[pimrusis]

the koenigsegg might be the faster car, although unofficialy, but its hard to classify it as a production car with less then 10 made a year, so mclaren remains the fastest production car in my mind

lol McLaren made 72 road cars from 1993 to 1998, thats 5 years, thats 14.4 road cars a year, so the difference isnt that big

And I bet alot of them were going to be converted to racing cars anyhow.

[amanthapar]

never never never....
the maclaren is old, but packs the punch to keep it the ultimate supercar of the century...and into this century too...
maybe the enzo, slr, carrera gt would be better , but the maclaren has ZEST ...

[gucom]

And I bet alot of them were going to be converted to racing cars anyhow.

nah McLaren made 72 road cars and 28 race cars(officially), idont think any road cars were converted to actual race cars, alot of ppl did install the LM bodywork on it, for more downforce, like this1:
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=1997_mclaren_f1-1.jpg
this car was auctioned at christie's last year, everything about this car is unique:
it is the most powerful McLaren F1 in the world, its got 691 hp and 735 NM of torque, and its got the LM downforce package, but this car has even more changes made to the aerodynamics, there is not 1 roadgoing McLaren F1 with aerodynamics like this one.
the colour is unique, so are the wheels, so is the interior(interior of the F1 GT, with satnav, gearchange light and some more), and this is the only car in the world that Gordon Murray signed himself.

[bahkhok]

Is that the McLaren that is owned by the guy that lives in Scottsdale, AZ? The one with the SUTLE license plate? That is a beautiful car with all the areo upgrades.

[robruf]

What SFDMALEX said is for certainly true, but wouldn't we all like to Aria, or Tera, or Jenna, or Brianna, of Kira, or Asia as our cars, great both on the inside and the outside, hey just like the F40 or the 288 GTO.

[gucom]

Is that the McLaren that is owned by the guy that lives in Scottsdale, AZ? The one with the SUTLE license plate? That is a beautiful car with all the areo upgrades

u mean this car:
http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/10308/DSC03213-0.JPG
no that car is in US, i believe the car on my pic used to be owned by a guy in switzerland, dont know who owns it now. as u can c, the SUTLE car doesnt have the big rear wing, a different colour, i think its a standard F1. U know the F1 thats Pic of the Month here on JW? thats the SUTLE car.

[DMbaseball1604]

The McLaren was built by a company who has a whole lot of racing experience and the konigsegg was not...it is still a great car but, I think that the McLaren was built in a very different and a much better way. Also the McLaren was built 10 years ago and with improving technology it could be updated and be much much faster. Whereas the Konigsegg came out 10 years later and so it is basically up to date. I just dont really think that its really even fair to compare the two because the McLaren is older there have been improvements that were not available to McLaren while building the F1 that were available to the engineers at konigsegg

[brijoel]

but i dont think it has all the qualities of the F1, like the increadible throttle response, cos its a turbocharged car. Plus the F1 looks better IMO, and its more of an uncompromised car, no electronic aid systems.
i like the koenigsegg ALOT, but its just not a McLaren F1, too bad.
BTW a McLaren F1 LM would be faster, cos this car is even lighter, and its about as powerful as the koenigsegg, and its got hardly any roadgoing compromise, look for instance at the ground clearance, unusable on the open roads, but it will make it faster on a circuit

the konigsegg is NOT turbocharged....it's supercharged. there is no lag with a supercharged car, so the throttle response comment is off. if you think abs isnt an electronic aid, or power steering isnt electronic aid, you should really think again. i know you meant things like traction control, but those things are compromises no matter how ya look at it.

[SFDMALEX]

It can go straight, but when there are curves in the road, its big and heavy, and it does not like to wiggle its ass around to much. Its boring, and its soules. It does not like to turn, so I do not think that it will beat the McLaren around the track. But I have to agree it is very very possible. If the F50 ran faster then the Macca, Im pretty sure that the Egg can do it, but you can not base your assumptions strictly on numbers.

WTF??? BIG? its 4m19cm long, 9cm shorter than F1, 199 cm wide, thats some 17cm wider than the F1, and its 1.7cm high, thats 7cm lower than the F1, and thats ALOT
HEAVY?? it weighs 1175 kg, 35 more than F1 but still ALOT less than Enzo and Carrera GT, about 200kg difference with those last 2
Doesnt like to turn??? it can pull 1.15 lateral Gs, so its got grip as hell(F1 can pull 0.86)
Boring, soulless? Jeremy Clarkson said its his favourite supercar in his shootout recently, cos its the most fun of supercars u can buy today(not including Enzo or Carrera GT or Mercedes SLR McLaren)

It "feels" big and heavy.

1.15 lateral Gs? Now think how much the F1 can pull of with modern tyres.

Who cares what Clakrson says??? He said the Z4 is a peace of shit.

[tuner78]

i love koeingsegg...when someone talk about it..think only that how many year for develop this car...think at the engine..the chassis...the only thing is Mclaren is the first car that can official surprise the supercar world ( ferrari for example ).. name like ferrari is now threat by name like....pagani...koeingsegg...and don't forget about the child of devil....Murcielago! anyone think at this monster??
ferrari is ferrari..ok but ferrari is a school..and the young always beat the teacher...no??

Fra :twisted:

[CMonakar]

I think the F1 is far more original than the Koenigsegg. However, the koenigsegg is far more menacing and that counts for something in my book. When cost is factored in I think the Koenigsegg is a clear winner.

[rsgti]

The McLaren definately was a first with is unique layout design and that M Power V12 is simply amazing.

It has the finesse of German Engineering

[dylan99]

I hate it when ppl say "if the F1 was built today it would be a lot faster" or "if they would put turbo's in or a bigger engine" stop all of this crap. The car was built in the early 90s to the standards of Gordon Murray. If he wanted he could put turbos in the car, he could get a more powerful engine but he didn't. The ppl at Koenigsegg did put a supercharger because they wanted it to have one or it needed one, it is as simple as that. Gordon Murray decided to build his car this way and Christian Koenigsegg decided to build his car that way. They are a lot of hypocrites here, the F1 is still a great car even if the Koenigsegg will be faster. Some of you don't want to give credit to others car companies. Though i would like to see if the Koeniggegg is really better then the F1, I would like to see a match between the two of them.

It is up to Gordon Murray if he wants to build another car that is better then the rest.

[XTwinTurboVR4X]

Here is how I see it. The McLaren comes from a Formula One team of incredible stature and success. Gordan Murray was an ungodly designer, he picked an awesome team of people to build the car he was assigned to produce. The McLaren is an engineering masterpiece, no car can be compared to it overall. Exclusivity is what you get with this car. The Koenigsegg is incredible, built by a man who is just starting out in the business, an entreprenuer. He had alot of help frmo others, and what hes built is a profound car, one of the most insane, but it still doesnt have the prestige of the McLaren. I doubt any car will ever achieve the status of the Mclaren...ever.

[dylan99]

what is your favorite car, XTwinTurboVR4X?

[golfiste]

hi i would to say that veilsidebr is wrong the mc laren does the km in
19.6 sec and not 18 sec

[JizJizJiz]

Even if the CC is faster and has a higher cornering speed, I will still take the Mclaren, its simply better. I mean you could use that car every day, the steering is light and you have luggage space!!!
And that BMW V12.... :mrgreen:

I think the CC would corner better, the F1 rolls a fair bit for a car of its class

[bahkhok]

no that car is in US, i believe the car on my pic used to be owned by a guy in switzerland, dont know who owns it now. as u can c, the SUTLE car doesnt have the big rear wing, a different colour, i think its a standard F1. U know the F1 thats Pic of the Month here on JW? thats the SUTLE car.


THe color of the paint job look similar. I just thought he might have gone out and got it modified to perform like a GTR. Both beautiful cars!!!

[yg60m]

Autocar figures for the Mclaren : 0-60 mph : 3.2s , 0-100 mph : 6.3s , standing 1/4 mile (400 m DA) : 11.1s , standing km : 19.6 s. These figures were checked two times by Best Motoring (video on Racingflix).
Autocar figures for the Koenigsegg : 0-60 mph : 4.4 s , 0-100 mph : 8.4 s , 1/4 mile : 12.3s , standing km : 21.4s
Auto Hebdo figures (with the same car as Autocar, perhaps not in optimal conditions) : 0-100 km/h (62 mph) : 4.8s , standing 400 m (1/4 mile) : 12.5s , standing km : 22.8 s.
It's even not on the same league as the Zonda (0-100 mph : 7.4s, km : 20.8s).
I like the Koenigsegg a lot, design, sound, but it promise more than it holds.
The Macca is always the King.

[Fleischmann]

Autocar figures for the Koenigsegg : 0-60 mph : 4.4 s , 0-100 mph : 8.4 s , 1/4 mile : 12.3s , standing km : 21.4s

What the fu** ?? These figs are very inaccuarate !! 4.4 secs to 60mph - thats about the same acceleration as the Vanquish, which has over 200bhp less, worse aerodynamics and is much heavier. Something ain't right here...