Racism on JW?

[ferrarif1fan89]

Do you believe there is racism on Jabbasworld? I personally don't, but this is just my opinion.

[RC45]

There are a number of ignorant pricks on JabbasWorld who like to accuse anyone who doesn't persecute all white males of being racist.

Whos the shitstain coward who voted Yes to the question?

You too pathetic to be counted and "defend" your feeble position?

[ferrarif1fan89]

If you are going to vote, back up your answers. Don't vote and dissappear. If you'd rather not explain your reasoning, either don't vote or vote "I'd rather not say."

Personally, I do not take offense to the things some of the members of this forum say, as it is their freedom of speech, and they have not said anything to offend me.

[ZfrkS62]

ok, my internet's being retarded so if i end up posting twice, i apologize.

I've noticed quite a bit that there is a prejudice as to nation vs nation, more so than race (ie America sucks, Eurotrash this) and it really seemed that it was just in terms of cars back when i joined. While there still is that argument flying back and forth, the opinions towards each other's countries has spilled well out of the political section and has seemingly taken on a bit more than friendly ribbing. Especially given recent events which is still a hot bed of monkey-poking-the-alligator that has become the Breaking News section.

Since racism and prejudice go hand in hand, i'm picking yes.

EDIT: It was 2-2 when i typed this, now it's 3-3. Ferrari, RC and I are the only ones who have posted. Quit lurking and get back here and explain.

[ZfrkS62]

^ You knew exactly what the reaction was going to be when you posted that thread, so take your avatar's advice, and stop whining.

And isn't sensitivity training something the liberals conjured up? :wink:

[ferrarif1fan89]

^ You knew exactly what the reaction was going to be when you posted that thread, so take your avatar's advice, and stop whining.

And isn't sensitivity training something the liberals conjured up? :wink:

ZING! :lol: :wink:

[RC45]

Since racism and prejudice go hand in hand, i'm picking yes.

Fair comment, but being anti-some country or hating a foreigner is not exactly racism - racism is commonly defined as some form of discrimination based on race, often with the belief or assertion that one race is superior to another.

And prejudice, to prejudge, is more likely the generalization of an incorrect view based on false information ;)

Hating Germany or Italy for examp - is more freedom of choice and expression.

Hell, I don't consider the America haters and bashers to be racist, I think of them more as ignant and prejudiced.. :P ;)

[RC45]

However, racism is DISCRIMINATION based on race or enthinicity... not opinion.

Please show where DISCRIMINATION and or OPPRESSION takes place on JW?

We need to stick to the poll topic and the common accepted definitions of words used - not make up new ones to suite the argument.. ;)

After all, this isn't a hearing chaired by the Democrats :P ;)

[ZfrkS62]

(BTW The Girls shirt says Fear This)

A house fly invokes more fear than you do.

When i heard the guy was dead, i knew you would be the only person broken up about it. To me, the only difference between him, and the Grand Dragon of the KKK, is that Falwell had the balls to say the shit he did without being hidden by a bed sheet covered Dunce cap (and that folks, is the ONE nice thing i have to say about him). Never the less, the hatred he spewed was no better than what was spewed by Saddam, whom i don't recall ANYONE being upset over his end. (not that i blame any of you, i wouldn't have pushed him out of the way of a speeding bus either). But i fail to see just how one can make the connection between Pagans, Gays, Lesbians, and to a lesser extent the ACLU, and 9/11. Then turn around and say that a hurricane, was "god's" way of punishing a group of people for living in a way that he (Falwell) opposed. Anyone that pushes prejudice and hatred, will NOT be getting a 'RIP' from me. RIH, maybe.

You cannot, and will not, dictate to me, nor anyone else here, how we should react to something. I won't say anything that i don't mean, especially when it comes to "respecting" someone who's deceased. Because guess what. We're all going to die at some point, and that won't change how i think of anyone, and i sure as hell hope no one will change their opinion of me just cuz i'm gone.

[ferrarif1fan89]

back on topic, folks........

[ZfrkS62]

However, racism is DISCRIMINATION based on race or enthinicity... not opinion.

Please show where DISCRIMINATION and or OPPRESSION takes place on JW?

We need to stick to the poll topic and the common accepted definitions of words used - not make up new ones to suite the argument.. ;)

After all, this isn't a hearing chaired by the Democrats :P ;)

Discrimination, I don't really think there is any. Not in a racial sense anyway. But I don't really think that racism and discrimination run hand in hand 100% of the time. I've known a couple people that were racist against one group or another yet still hung out and bbq'd with people from those groups. Hypocritical? Yeah. But it can't really be discrimination in that sense.

There have been a few oppressive comments made around here over the years, but again, it's on the same page as the racism bit. It's not an overall attitude.

EDIT Is there a way we can block votes from being cast without commenting?

[gangajas]

Yes, sadly there are racists on JW. Read all the responses to this topic and you won't have any doubt about who are some of the racist of this forum.

[RC45]

Yes, sadly there are racists on JW. Read all the responses to this topic and you won't have any doubt about who are some of the racist of this forum.

How about having the balls to name the "racist" and provide some proof.

Racism by it's very definition is OPPRESSION based on race.

Please - point out where any one is opporessing anyone else.

Just because you don't like someone (and if you can't read bewteen the lines - your displike of me is being alluded to here), you don't get to call them racist as your final and easy way out o fan argumet or confrontation.

[RC45]

Yes, there is racism on JW. Not in the sense that people are openly racist by making blatant comments about someone or a particular group, but whether they/we realize it or not, there are underlying tones of racism in many of the posts here on JW.

I'm not labeling or trying to point anyone out as being racist, but denying it or not, racism is present here. All I'm saying is that some people post things or make comments that don't seem racist to them b/c they don't just come out and make an obviously racist remark, but it is easy to see what they are getting at and what message they are trying to get across.

If you don't see it and try to tell me that there is no racism on JW, then you are either an idiot who can't read between the lines, or you are smart enough to notice but deny it b/c you are probably taking part and are trying to defend your own posts/comments.


Cheers,
bmuller

Calling someone an Italian because they come from Italy - is not racist... the same way, outlining pleasure at investigations of mosques in Europe is not racism against ... muslims?

See - even that makes no sense.. muslim is not a race... it's a religion.

So again - there is no RACISM on JabbasWorld...

[pitfield]

I voted yes.

Or it just a genralisation that I think that Americans are a bunch of losers.

[Pokiou]

Of course there is racism here.. and those that say there isnt.. are the ones doing it ...
Rc isnt american and his holding the american idealistic "shoot first ask questions later.
BMW: all he does is post HIS parties side of teh story.. while the rest of us just sit here and do nothing..
i wonder why BMW's posts never get moderated... intresting... ;)
what makes it even more sad is that people read the nonsense there... and even i do 2 just lol @ his mis guided comments and one sided post...
see i cant post shit about america cause then ill be called racist terrorist.. but its ok for them to post anything they want and not get moderated for that ...
A car forum that has turned into a religious bashing form is just not right.. and shouldnt be allowed...

Let it be posting shit against americas and or islamic nations .. needs to stop both ways and not stop tomorrow .. but today !

Pok

[saadie]

Yes, there is racism in JW.
There always was to a bareable extent, but after 'breaking world news' and 'world political debate' sections, it has increased exponentially.

[pitfield]

I voted yes.

Or it just a genralisation that I think that Americans are a bunch of losers.

Whoa there buddy, just b/c you don't like RC doesn't mean you have to drag the rest of us Americans in this too...

I was just saying it to get him going.

[ferrarif1fan89]

Of course there is racism here.. and those that say there isnt.. are the ones doing it ...

Pok

I would greatly appreciate you outlining any post, remark, or joke I have ever made that is in ANY WAY racist. Please, before you shoot your mouth off, do a little research.

[ae86_16v]

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=47409



I am demanding all Mosques be shut down in the United States and the Muslims be held in camps just like the Japanese during WWII.

Before you spout you're two cents, screw you liberals. #Fist

[ferrarif1fan89]

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=47409



I am demanding all Mosques be shut down in the United States and the Muslims be held in camps just like the Japanese during WWII.

Before you spout you're two cents, screw you liberals. #Fist

Is there a way I could change my vote?

[Pokiou]

Of course there is racism here.. and those that say there isnt.. are the ones doing it ...

Pok

I would greatly appreciate you outlining any post, remark, or joke I have ever made that is in ANY WAY racist. Please, before you shoot your mouth off, do a little research.

Sorry mate. I shouldnt of generalised that is my bad.

[BADMIHAI]

Of course there is racism on JW. I'm racist.

[dutchmasterflex]

racism exists all over the world so why would jw be an exception? i wouldnt say that JW is a racist forum or that people are overtly racist but people's prejudices are pretty obvious at times. i think i agree with Z for the most part on this one. when people make comments that generalize or sterotype an ethnic group, race, or nation they are being racist and that definitely happens a fair amount here unfortunately.

Exactly my thought. Racism is everywhere, whether its out in the open and clean cut or low key and under the breath.

To be fair to the people who get all technical about the definitions of certain words, there is little if no racism on JW, but a shit load of discrimination against certain groups of people. Most openly against homosexuals, but I guess bmw06m6 is just trying to take Falwell's place.

[RC45]

Amazing - it seems that almost to a T everyone of the people spouting racism actually have little understanding of the true meaning of the word and the real nature of racism and its affect on people.

1st off racism is oppression.

2nd off racism is in regard to RACE. (not religion or national identity)

3rd off since there is nothing OPPRESIVE or RACE-RELATED to any comments posted on JW it would seem that all the folks yelling "RACIST" are not only ill-informed, they are just plain wrong.

The poll was not whether JW has prejudiced people, or whether there was national jealousy or anger - it was whether JW was racist.

It is actually rather amazing the ignorant mob mentallity of supposedly educated and intelligent peoples - look and listen to yourselves.

The way in which the politcally correct and liberal and easily influenced folks on JW are so easily self-roused and rallied into a hateful vigilante group pretty much shows where the REAL PROBLEM lays.

Think about for a few minutes - who arethe ones trying to "shut down and oppress" who on JabbasWorld?

If there is any "racism" on JW, its the extreme prejudice, hatred, anger, animosity and anti-freedom of speech nature of the "Bush Haters".

[silentm]

since i interpreted the question of the poll as: "is there racism against members on this board?" i voted NO because i have the general feeling that nobody is discriminated against explicitly for who they are what they stand for. but now i realised that i was thinking too shortly and that i should have voted YES :?

now of course there will always be the "damn i have Vettes and they suck" comments but i do not classify that as racism.

also saying that someone is racist is just an evolution of the word and meaning of what it has been before. it is more like what a person has said and then he is judged by that. so if he says "i hate all muslims and they should go to jail" that is imo racist, even though it is only something that has been said but not put into action.

The poll was not whether JW has prejudiced people, or whether there was national jealousy or anger - it was whether JW was racist. i believe you have misinterpreted the question. if you reread it, it says "Do you believe there is racism on Jabbasworld". so if understand this correctly the question means "do you think there are members on this board who express racism against anybody?".

[Firdosh7747]

stfu jew

[Thompson4PrezZZZY]

I tell you this place just ain't like it used to be.

[dutchmasterflex]

You got that right.

[ae86_16v]

Amazing - it seems that almost to a T everyone of the people spouting racism actually have little understanding of the true meaning of the word and the real nature of racism and its affect on people.

1st off racism is oppression.

2nd off racism is in regard to RACE. (not religion or national identity)

3rd off since there is nothing OPPRESIVE or RACE-RELATED to any comments posted on JW it would seem that all the folks yelling "RACIST" are not only ill-informed, they are just plain wrong.


Umm, I guess the Oppression against Muslims do not count? BMW's hateful message towards the Muslims do not count? :roll:

I am not going to debate the technicalities of "Race", bottomline is that it was a hateful message towards another group of people.

I have no problem when people are different than me and voice different opinions. Not once have I tried to shut ANY one up. Say all you want, BMW included. But when you start spouting "That all mosques should be shut down and Muslims/Arabs be held in concentration camps", how is that different than a Muslim cleric spouting the same thing?

But no, I guess since he didn't call me a slant eyed Oriental that is okay.

You are right, there is no Racism here. All is good. :roll:

ok, my internet's being retarded so if i end up posting twice, i apologize.

I've noticed quite a bit that there is a prejudice as to nation vs nation, more so than race (ie America sucks, Eurotrash this) and it really seemed that it was just in terms of cars back when i joined. While there still is that argument flying back and forth, the opinions towards each other's countries has spilled well out of the political section and has seemingly taken on a bit more than friendly ribbing. Especially given recent events which is still a hot bed of monkey-poking-the-alligator that has become the Breaking News section.

Since racism and prejudice go hand in hand, i'm picking yes.



I think Z hit it on the head here.

[Erez]

I'm sure there is.. tho here in JW it comes usually from people I dont consider real JWers.. :lol:
but Racism is every where, and will always be.. I just hope we can shut it up more and more..

[nthfinity]

shakes head

WTF

prejudice, yes

racism, not that i've seen

[philip]

I have noticed the forum less international than it was when I joined (not that long ago). A trend that I do not like. I get concerned, because of the real views that are expressed here, some parts of the world may have begun to filter this site. I have no proof, but it is a concern.

I wish we had more Japanese posts, as so much happens in Japan car wise now that affects everyone.

I have not noticed any true racism on this site. There is a lot of Left vs Right but that is not racism.

The international flavor to the site is one of the attractions. The differences in viewpoints from a poster from Dubai vs one from Brazil is very entertaining and informative.

To satisfy the complainers, I personally have tried to post more car oriented posts recently, but they do not get the attention that the other posts get. I will continue as that is really where my interest is. Afterall am I really going to convince someone to change there political or religious views on a car forum.

[Z3uS]

Yes, i do believe!

[RC45]

yep. there is ALOT of racism on here in my opinion....really unfortunate.

and a few pieces of pigshit, illiterate, scum who generally vomit words of hate....yeah, you know who you are.....in fact, most people on here know who you are as well.

I forgive you and harbour you no ill will.

God has a special place in his heart for lost souls such as yourself.

I will pray for you.

Peace.

[RC45]

yep. there is ALOT of racism on here in my opinion....really unfortunate.

and a few pieces of pigshit, illiterate, scum who generally vomit words of hate....yeah, you know who you are.....in fact, most people on here know who you are as well.

I forgive you and harbour you no ill will.

God has a special place in his heart for lost souls such as yourself.

I will pray for you.

Peace.

....and the scum stands up and bows....nice one.

Even a lost soul such as yourself will have salvation.

God is a loving and forgiving God - he forgives you for your dispicable hatred and anger.

He understands your self pity and hatred and self loathing - he even forgives how you bad mouthed and backstabbed the people whom you met in person and thought of you as a semi-decent person.

They may not forgive you - but He does.

[ferrarif1fan89]

yep. there is ALOT of racism on here in my opinion....really unfortunate.

and a few pieces of pigshit, illiterate, scum who generally vomit words of hate....yeah, you know who you are.....in fact, most people on here know who you are as well.

I forgive you and harbour you no ill will.

God has a special place in his heart for lost souls such as yourself.

I will pray for you.

Peace.

....and the scum stands up and bows....nice one.

Even a lost soul such as yourself will have salvation.

God is a loving and forgiving God - he forgives you for your dispicable hatred and anger.

He understands your self pity and hatred and self loathing - he even forgives how you bad mouthed and backstabbed the people whom you met in person and thought of you as a semi-decent person.

They may not forgive you - but He does.

thats deep. :lol: :wink:

[ZfrkS62]

stfu jew

^ Racist!

like you said, religion isn't a race. there's no racism there :lol: Besides, all i hear anymore when i hear anything like that, is Eric Cartman's voice :lol:


RC, the operative word in the question posed is "believe". Now right there that would lay it out that the people who are voting yes, feel that there is a degree of racism on this board. It's not for someone to say whether or not those who answer one way or the other are right or wrong, since it's strictly what they interpret from the overall attitude of the board. Now, they may be interpreting the question as either "are there racist people on JW?", "does JW carry an overall racist attitude toward a group?" or likewise. Beliefs are just that. Beliefs. Whether it be an answer to a question on an internet forum, or something higher, there's no right that anyone has to try and force something else on someone who doesn't see it that way. And in regard to current events and situations, this is what all conflict will boil down to.

Since i've already explained my vote, i'll spare everyone a second explanation and point them back to the first page where my post is.

[ZfrkS62]

RC45 preaching is like hearing someone scratch their nails on a chalkboard, its evil tongue in cheek preaching.

i wouldn't call it preaching as much as i would lecturing. Having grown up in South Africa, I'm sure he's seen more of the hardcore racism than what is being discussed here, so I can't really blame him for getting a little agitated when it comes to some of the responses being posted in this thread. After all, he moved here for a reason, and I somehow doubt Corvettes were it :wink:

[RC45]

On second thoughts, there must be racism on JW - observe the racial hatred everso displays most days.

I am convinced that he would try carry out his racially driven hatred fantasies in some shape or form.

There is no doubt his anger willone day spill over into actions... if younotice over the last year or so, his comments have slowly become more and more direct and angry and hateful.

And it doesn't matter how you respond to him - he always spews hatred and anger back.

I fear his years of secret drug abuse (while a medical student and while trying to promiote that terrible music he makes) have left his mind altered.

Sadly he is simply another statistic - a young male medical student that abused drugs to "keep up".

Quite sad really - racism at it's worst I guess.

[novass]

prejudice, yes

racism, not that i've seen

I agree. I haven't seen anything that constitutes racism, granted I don't read everything on here, but I have seen a lot of hate based on religion, political beliefs and nationality.

[ZfrkS62]

^ case in point