Peugot 205 rallycar with a bmw v12 engine

[pagani]

French rallycar whit a bmw v12 engine.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnnet_foucart-orthez-2006
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhi15_205-moteur-bmw-v12
:D 8) 8)

[Skaala]

holy crap...what a sound!....sounds like a wasp on speed

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

I agree with dani that the engine is a V6 or so

The question is that the image come from the french TT championship; anc actually, almost all of them are consisted on a tubular chasis, mid-engine, 4 wheel drive, and a fiber touring car shape; moreover, the engine range go from the PSA or Renault V6, the BMW 6 cilinder, and also the boxer porsche engine; most of the engines size between 3000 and 3500cc

[TopGearNL]

The sound is amazing! But it doesn't sound like a V12 like dani said, its more a singing V6 with those high revs :?

[gigdy]

its sounds like a nitro remote controlled car.

[ZfrkS62]

doesn't sound like the 12 at all. It's way too high pitched for a large displacement motor. And something like that with such a big engine, why would you not get shots of the motor too? :?

[BADMIHAI]

It sounds like shit. I'd say it's a four.

[coombsie66]

Sounds more like a 12 than a 6 to me, its obviously just got a pretty interesting exhaust system which makes it sound so high pitched.

[yg60m]

I also doubt it is a V12 but everything is possible ... Impressive sound anyway :wink:

[pagani]

It's a pretty fast rallycar if you ask me.
The french version of andrew burton.
It sounds awesome i think's it's v12 but can also be a v6.
:D 8) :lol:

[Joel]

I agree with dani that the engine is a V6 or so

The question is that the image come from the french TT championship; anc actually, almost all of them are consisted on a tubular chasis, mid-engine, 4 wheel drive, and a fiber touring car shape; moreover, the engine range go from the PSA or Renault V6, the BMW 6 cilinder, and also the boxer porsche engine; most of the engines size between 3000 and 3500cc
This website would seem to corroborate the BMW theory, despite still calling it a V12. BMW never made a 3.6L V12, but they have a number of S6 engines around that capacity, fitting in with what Mr Capri says.

http://www.planete-205.com/205-derivees.php scroll down near the bottom of the page.

However, looking at the picture of the rear suspension you can just about see that it is running a longitudinally mounted transaxle, and although you can't see the engine itself the one visible header suggests vee-configuration. There's no way that anything longer than a V6 would fit in a car as short as a 205. If that is the case then that rules out BMW, and we are left with a high-revving V6 of some sort.

[pagani]

Here is a video of the car that i uploaded to youtube.
Maby the use a de stroked v12.
I still think it's a v12.
YouTube
:D 8)

[TopGearNL]

Maybe its equipped with two V6s :bah:

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

Exactly....after having a look at the brochure about the different and specials 205; the car in question has a tubular buggy chassis (fouquet) quite a popular chassis manufacturer alongside gembo among others

There is another clue why it isnt a V12; it doesnt make any sense at all in a rally car to see a 3.6 liter V12 engine; for instance even in formula 1 (where a lot of power is required even in much much more revs) it has never been a good base considering that ferrari was forced to replace for the V10; Honda also launched a V12, but suddenly it was replaced by the V10; the lamborghini V12 was another failure........

About the hillclimb car; this is another mistake; the driver in question (Alain Castellana) was driving a CN car with a 3 liter BMW engine; however, I though that the car in question was a Osella PA20, but I was wrong, it was it rival the Norma M20; nonetheless, in any case it was an Audi

[TopGearNL]

Maybe its equipped with two V6s :bah:

Nah - that would be too heavy... remember it's a rally car - it has to be light and nimble! :D

Reminds me of the story behind the "Audi R8 Hillclimb" vid on YouTube - it's a Norma-BMW hillclimb racer... but someone thought that a R8 in a hillclimb would attract more views. Now everyone think and believe that it's a true Audi R8 :roll:

True!

About that guy, what a :wanker:

[coombsie66]

Im still with you pagani, sounds like a V12 to me. Its not revving that high, you can hear that on the over-run, but when its on song you can hear a very high pitched engine note because its a 12 and a straight through exhaust! The DTM v6's were the highest revving V6's in motorsport so far (i beleive) and you could still hear it was a v6, much more throaty, this one wails more. Its a 12, i bet yah £5!! :wink: :)

[TopGearNL]

Ofcourse S1 sounds even better still

Rally Cars - Audi S1 - YouTube
Audi Quattro S1 - YouTube :twisted:

[caneswell]

Im still with you pagani, sounds like a V12 to me. Its not revving that high, you can hear that on the over-run, but when its on song you can hear a very high pitched engine note because its a 12 and a straight through exhaust! The DTM v6's were the highest revving V6's in motorsport so far (i beleive) and you could still hear it was a v6, much more throaty, this one wails more. Its a 12, i bet yah £5!! :wink: :)

I take that bet. Im going with a straight 6 bimmer engine. Very similar to the one in that hillclimb video someone mentioned (just watched it again for research purposes!)

Also, BM don't make a small v12. That's not a 5 litre engine! Will have a similar exhaust setup to a v12 won't it? Just half of it!

[coombsie66]

Im still with you pagani, sounds like a V12 to me. Its not revving that high, you can hear that on the over-run, but when its on song you can hear a very high pitched engine note because its a 12 and a straight through exhaust! The DTM v6's were the highest revving V6's in motorsport so far (i beleive) and you could still hear it was a v6, much more throaty, this one wails more. Its a 12, i bet yah £5!! :wink: :)

I take that bet. Im going with a straight 6 bimmer engine. Very similar to the one in that hillclimb video someone mentioned (just watched it again for research purposes!)

Also, BM don't make a small v12. That's not a 5 litre engine! Will have a similar exhaust setup to a v12 won't it? Just half of it!

Hmmmmm, now youve got me doubting my own judgement damn you!! Something sounds V12'ey to me, maybee its a de-stroked V12, but it would seem a lot simpler to just wack a straight 6 in it! Still for a 3.6 straight six it doesnt half fooking rev quick! And if it is that motor damn i wanna know the exhaust configuration to make it sound like that!!!! :twisted:

After a little more aural 'research' i think i am going to conceed defeat, dammit it sounds sooo good for a straight 6!!! 8)

[caneswell]

Yes I win! Beers are on you!

Now get your arse back from Aus! :P

The CSL on this forum, sounds a bit similar too? Too many engine noses in my head :?

[coombsie66]

Yes I win! Beers are on you!

Now get your arse back from Aus! :P

The CSL on this forum, sounds a bit similar too? Too many engine noses in my head :?

Thats the vid that made me change my mind :oops:

Awsome sound.
As for aus, although the lour of paying for a beer for you does rank highly in my list of life aspirations, the 32 degree sunny days, messing around on boats, girlfriend, cheap beer, nice, cheap food etc that australia currently holds just about pips it im afraid... Sorry mate :wink: :P

[Stoopie]

Wow that sound! Sounds like they trapped some geese in the exhausts :P