View Full Version : What is best Sports Car buy around?
If you wanted a single sports car what would it be - and why?
The criteria are rather simple:
The car needs to be very fast, turn and stop very well - be reasonably conservative with fuel consumption (as this car is going to be your daily driver - to work and home and the shops.)
The car needs to be able to hold it's own on drives through the countryside and when you take the car to a local race track, turn in decent lap times and even be able to withsatnd some drag racing abuse.
The car needs to survive for about 7 years and be able to turn over 120,000 miles without a problem and reasonably affordable to repair and service and have full factry warranty and support for at least some of its life.
There needs to be enough space inside to take you briefcase and laptop, and about 10 shopping bags of groceries.
The car also needs to be a reasonably affordable to insure on a family budget and finally - be affordable to purchase. (of course budgets differ - but to offer perspective, for many a $50,000 to $100,000 purchase would be the limiting range - as if you have much more than that available, chances are you have no need for a single car as your budget will allow a car for each mood ;) - so it may sem like an arbitrary point, but it is rather realistic afterall - more people have a limited budget than not)
The car needs to be a new purchase (but for interest you may us a Time Machine and go back to any year you want and buy it new - but it must be able to compete with cars of that generation) [there will be a second topic for a used car at a later stage]
It also must be usable rain or shine - in climates with snow fall, you may assume that you dont need to drive on unplowed roads.
In short - what sports car is the best bang for the buck - state your reasons and budget you worked with.
;)
Lets see your responses.
(BTW - try stay on topic an leave the personal attacks outside)
nthfinity
01-20-2007, 02:09 PM
hmmm.....
6 months ago, i wouldve said STi right off, but that car lost a lot of its pedistal space after driving one :(
what defines a sports car? 2 seats no illusions as to purpose? there are only two choices realy... GT3, and Z06... am I missing anything? 2000 Cobra R? M3 CSL?
I would prefer the GT3 personally... I've recently been made aware of a sub 1200 kg 500 hp GT3... so in 7 years when i'm done paying for it... I can dump new money into it i suppose :P
OK - so for you a budget of about $80,000 is more realistic right?
What year did you set your time machine for to buy your new GT3?
Is the interior storage luggage space good ewnough for your daily needs over the 6 or 7 years?
PaulGT2164
01-20-2007, 03:54 PM
Hrmmm I would purchase a Evo or an STi, or maybe a cayman. something along those sorts.
maybe a lotus elise/exige even tho that doesnt meet some criteria, i have never bought 10 bags of groceries in my life lol
bmagni
01-20-2007, 04:41 PM
hmmm.....
what defines a sports car? 2 seats no illusions as to purpose? there are only two choices realy... GT3, and Z06... am I missing anything? 2000 Cobra R? M3 CSL?
by your "2 seater" bias the CSL wouldn't enter cause its a 4 seater, and it can't be driven on snow :P
back on topic there are lots of options besides the ones mentioned: M3, M5, M6, Z4 M Coupe, SLK 55 AMG, NSX, RS4, RS6, 911 C2 or C4...
SFDMALEX
01-20-2007, 04:44 PM
I would get an old Porsche and drop a small block in it.
back on topic there are lots of options besides the ones mentioned: M3, M5, M6, Z4 M Coupe, SLK 55 AMG, NSX, RS4, RS6, 911 C2 or C4...
Except none of those cars mentioned are fast.
None are 0-60 in 4s style fast. But if you are not a sports car enthusiast, this is understandable.
That is the entire point of a sports car - the potential to go fast.
The thread is about what is the best bang for the buck SPORTS car to buy.. the same car you are going to use on the back roads, race track, morning communte, weekend shopping and top speed runs.
I would get an old Porsche and drop a small block in it.
New car with a warranty ;) The [used car] thread is for later :P
bmagni
01-20-2007, 05:04 PM
back on topic there are lots of options besides the ones mentioned: M3, M5, M6, Z4 M Coupe, SLK 55 AMG, NSX, RS4, RS6, 911 C2 or C4...
Except none of those cars mentioned are fast.
None are 0-60 in 4s style fast. But if you are not a sports car enthusiast, this is understandable.
That is the entire point of a sports car - the potential to go fast.
The thread is about what is the best bang for the buck SPORTS car to buy.. the same car you are going to use on the back roads, race track, morning communte, weekend shopping and top speed runs.
they're fast enough to be considered sports cars...
as for best bang for the buck I think it has been discussed so many times and it has been agreed by most of all which one get the title.
I thought the topic was about options, opinions, and personal choices, not which one is the overall winner
nthfinity
01-20-2007, 05:18 PM
there is clear difference in my mind between a sports car, and a sporty car... a sedan is no sports car in any way shape or form... 2 doors, 4 seats may fit... but... that may be streatching it.
a RS6 is NO sportscar, the RS4 is sporting, but no sports car, M3? I think its right around there, the 911 C2... you are going slower and slower, C4... a bit faster, an usable anyday...
they're fast enough to be considered sports cars...
No they are not fast enough to be considered sports cars - that is point of having a "sports car" category.. because sports cars are faster, lighter, nimbler and overall quicker than the rest.
as for best bang for the buck I think it has been discussed so many times and it has been agreed by most of all which one get the title.
Really? I would not be so sure - after all you just offered an M3 and an M5 as "sports car" options.
I thought the topic was about options, opinions, and personal choices, not which one is the overall winner
The choices options and opinions should all logically steer towards the same short list - if they don't then the problem lies with the definition of "sports car" and "reasonable cost".
And before you simply assume the winner, don't - the point is to weed out those that are definately not even in the running because of cost and or performance.
So - in this discussion, even though it is almost the greatest sports car even produced, the Enzo cannot get on this list... it fails the price test.
Similarly, the Caterham Superlight R cannot be on the list, because it really cannot practically be used to drive to work in the rain....
ANd neither can the Mazda Miatat - its too slow, and so with the Audi TT, even the Evo - cant run to 170mph+.
WHy does a stock M3 not make the list? Performance - its not in the "sports car" league of the day. This was true in 1987 and is true in 2007 - has the M3 of the day ever been as fast a 911 Turbo or F248/355/360/430?
Speed is a critical component of being a "sports car".
Hot Hatch and Hot Sedan are different categories - and as such will have different "winners".
To give you an idea of cars I consider close contenders for "best sports car buy" as in practical, affordable and fast as hell:
For various generations as a new purchase, the Corvette ZR1 ((a $30,000 option in the day made this car expensive though), Porsche 928 GTS/Clubsport, Porsche GT3 Mk1, M11 and 997 GT3 (normally cheaper than the Turbo), Viper GTS GTS ACR (although that was a $10,000 option), C5 Z06, C6 Z06 any other suggestions?
There are ohters but they are significantly more expensive, and some others in that price range are significantly slower.
Does this make sense now?
Try not to turn this into "We hate the Corvette" thread if youpossibly can - but also try be realistic within the topic criteria.
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ViperASR
01-20-2007, 05:36 PM
here we go again with the Z06 is god :roll:
here we go again with the Z06 is god :roll:
Really? In what way? I dont recall anyone ever saying that except you and few other pricks.
But anyway - back on topic.. we will, through logic arrive at the "best sports car buy" - that way there will be no argument about the outcome.
Unless you are now going to say budget, performance and usability have no place in a car choice?
ViperASR
01-20-2007, 05:43 PM
you started this thread deliberatly to show that the Z06 is the best bang for the buck car around, which it probobly is. Hence the 0-60 in 4 sec reference and the top speed reference. There is no defenition for what a sports car is, my friend thinks his rents Merc C320 is a sport/luxury car. So there is no exact defenition for a sports car, a sports car is what you make it out to be.
On those lines, would you not consider the Honda S2000 a sports car because it dosnt go 170mph. Even the new M5 dosnt go 170mph in stock form, which is the car is required to be to be mentioned in this thread.
For the money and if I could only buy 1 car, I would probobly get an M3, be it the new one with a V8 or the I-6 one. However, I would rather divide the money and get 2 different cars, even though insurance would probobly be more expensive.
nthfinity
01-20-2007, 05:47 PM
I just read something interesting...
apparently the frontal lobe of the brain, where logical thought is created doesn't fully develop until you are in your mid-twenties. This might explain so many youngster's lack of logical comprehension...
ViperASR
01-20-2007, 05:52 PM
^^^^
lol :lol:
That explains last night.....
mevistox5
01-20-2007, 05:53 PM
All things considered I'd opt for the Lotus Exige S
The car needs to be very fast, turn and stop very well - be reasonably conservative with fuel consumption (as this car is going to be your daily driver - to work and home and the shops.)
Lotus i known for their handling. 0-60 in 4.1 sec. is not bad and you get good fuel economy out of a 1.8 engine.
The car needs to be able to hold it's own on drives through the countryside and when you take the car to a local race track, turn in decent lap times and even be able to withsatnd some drag racing abuse.
As long as they are not unpaved roads it's no problem. On the track it shines. Even Lotus expect that you take it to the track
The car needs to survive for about 7 years and be able to turn over 120,000 miles without a problem and reasonably affordable to repair and service and have full factry warranty and support for at least some of its life.
Toyota powered, still one of the best. Repairs and service are pretty normal and the car comes with full factory warrenty.
There needs to be enough space inside to take you briefcase and laptop, and about 10 shopping bags of groceries.
This is close, but might even happen. The boot is much bigger then you think and if you drive alone you can also use the passengerside. Just be creative here.
The car also needs to be a reasonably affordable to insure on a family budget and finally - be affordable to purchase. (of course budgets differ - but to offer perspective, for many a $50,000 to $100,000 purchase would be the limiting range - as if you have much more than that available, chances are you have no need for a single car as your budget will allow a car for each mood ;) - so it may sem like an arbitrary point, but it is rather realistic afterall - more people have a limited budget than not)
I think it's a little over 50K.......
The car needs to be a new purchase (but for interest you may us a Time Machine and go back to any year you want and buy it new - but it must be able to compete with cars of that generation) [there will be a second topic for a used car at a later stage]
It's available now at your nearest Lotus dealer
It also must be usable rain or shine - in climates with snow fall, you may assume that you dont need to drive on unplowed roads.
They are used as a daily driver in North and South. Of course you must get the right rubber, but that goes for every car.
Nico
Assuming you mean "new" sports car I'd go for a 350z. Its got a big V-6 in a front-mid layout, its rear wheel drive, its a coupe, its got good balance, its not hugely overweight, and you can get one new for $24,000. On top of that, its gets decent gas mileage for what it is and there is a HUGE tuner market so you can make it truly unique if you want. You can also build up a pretty potent track car using the Z as a base if you want.
So there is my vote anyway. Sure, it aint perfect, but it sure gives alot for the price asked. Its very similar to the Z06 in that way. I guess I would call it the poor mans Z06........
Assuming you mean "new" sports car I'd go for a 350z. Its got a big V-6 in a front-mid layout, its rear wheel drive, its a coupe, its got good balance, its not hugely overweight, and you can get one new for $24,000. On top of that, its gets decent gas mileage for what it is and there is a HUGE tuner market so you can make it truly unique if you want. You can also build up a pretty potent track car using the Z as a base if you want.
So there is my vote anyway. Sure, it aint perfect, but it sure gives alot for the price asked. Its very similar to the Z06 in that way. I guess I would call it the poor mans Z06........
Thats a great choice and its a pity Nissan put in the engine they did - if only it was a little faster, but if you are willing to accept the drop in performance that is a great choice (well - except for the rear strut tower brace in the tri=unk ;))
Isn't there supposed to be a 4.5l more powerful versin on the cards? That would change everything.
But great choice.. that one slipped my ming totally.
All things considered I'd opt for the Lotus Exige S
Nico
Another good choice, but I found the Xige never had the "oomph" it needed. Oh - and it did kinda crink my knees everytine I had to get in and out... very tight squeeze.
But a surprisingly usable daily driver it is. (just wish it was faster ;))
SFDMALEX
01-20-2007, 06:43 PM
I would get an old Porsche and drop a small block in it.
New car with a warranty ;) The [used car] thread is for later :P
Not much choice there, a Vette with an interior job :wink:
PATo355
01-20-2007, 06:47 PM
Probably a 911 c2 , best car all around , i would opt for a corvette , but it lacks luxury , plastic panels are not up to the german standards ... so the 911 wins for me , the corvette might be faster but the c2 is better all around .
jadeddjay
01-20-2007, 06:48 PM
cayman S all the way
it is a sports car, mid engine... great performance. its got unreplicable feel and refinement for the price range.
it is small but not too small, has lots of storage space, and has good gas mileage given how relatively powerful it is, easy to park, reasonably durable for however many miles you want to drive it.
rain or shine? its got really good balance and is very predictable. its not awd but then again if you want something that feels fast you wouldnt get awd.
sentra_dude
01-20-2007, 06:50 PM
Hmm, well since you said there will be a used topic like this coming up I'll wait to say my first choice. I feel like used gives you much more car for your dollar. Although I'm really not interested in buying new cars (I prefer used), I'd say Subaru STi.
I've driven a normal WRX and I very much enjoyed that car. I'm not sure how big the difference in driving dynamics is between the WRX and STi though.
The car needs to be very fast, turn and stop very well - be reasonably conservative with fuel consumption (as this car is going to be your daily driver - to work and home and the shops.)
The STi should cover all those nicely. 18/24mpg EPA.
The car needs to be able to hold it's own on drives through the countryside and when you take the car to a local race track, turn in decent lap times and even be able to withsatnd some drag racing abuse.
The STi is quick enough for that, although it'd have to be a minimum of drag racing abuse.
The car needs to survive for about 7 years and be able to turn over 120,000 miles without a problem and reasonably affordable to repair and service and have full factry warranty and support for at least some of its life.
I have lots of friends with Subarus and they have all been reliable for them. No idea what warranty a STi has, but I'm sure its decent.
There needs to be enough space inside to take you briefcase and laptop, and about 10 shopping bags of groceries.
The back seats are a bit cramped, and the trunk smaller than you might expect, but you could certainly fit all that stuff.
The car also needs to be a reasonably affordable to insure on a family budget and finally - be affordable to purchase. (of course budgets differ - but to offer perspective, for many a $50,000 to $100,000 purchase would be the limiting range - as if you have much more than that available, chances are you have no need for a single car as your budget will allow a car for each mood - so it may sem like an arbitrary point, but it is rather realistic afterall - more people have a limited budget than not)
Since $50K-$100K is so completely out of my budget I'm not really even considering new cars in that price range. I believe an STi can easily be had for under $33K, which isn't too bad. Insurance is decently high but since the car was realitively cheap to begin with, its not too bad.
The car needs to be a new purchase (but for interest you may us a Time Machine and go back to any year you want and buy it new - but it must be able to compete with cars of that generation) [there will be a second topic for a used car at a later stage]
I'm not a fan of the new look so I'd go back in time to 2005.
It also must be usable rain or shine - in climates with snow fall, you may assume that you dont need to drive on unplowed roads.
Hahaha, dirt, snow, rain...that's what a Subaru lives for am I wrong. :D
Ok, ok...so when is the used topic? :D
Neema702
01-20-2007, 07:23 PM
the answer has to be either the 05' 911 Turbo or a 07' 911 Turbo, or at least for me, i def. plan on having a car at this level before 35, or else what am i working so hard for
nthfinity
01-20-2007, 07:29 PM
I've never seen a 350 Z for anywhere near 24,000 new.
of 3 coupe models available besdies grand touring, and touring
Enthusiast:
287 hp @6200 rpm
274 ft. lbs @ 4800
$30,350
3344 lbs
5 speed
Track:
300 hp @ 6400
260 ft. lbs @ 4800
$34,550
3400 lbs
6 speed
Base:
$27,650
300 hp @ 6400
260 ft. lbs @ 4800
Curb Weight 3339 lbs
6 speed
I dono If i could justify the extra price vs. a Mustang GT @ $25,140 with 300 hp, 320 ft. lbs, and 3440 lbs... its faster in the straights, and does well in the corners, and is of similar weight to the 350 Z.
the answer has to be either the 05' 911 Turbo or a 07' 911 Turbo, or at least for me, i def. plan on having a car at this level before 35, or else what am i working so hard for
Hmmm.. this car cracks the $100,000 barrier... take it back to the Porsche dealer and get a GT3... try not leave with a Cayman or a C2 or C4.. they are just too slow by comparison ;)
[quote=sentra_dude]Since $50K-$100K is so completely out of my budget I'm not really even considering new cars in that price range. I believe an STi can easily be had for under $33K, which isn't too bad. Insurance is decently high but since the car was realitively cheap to begin with, its not too bad.
This has to be the most common sense post ever made on JW... so many people throw around "car choices" yet in reality they could never afford them and will have to compromise anyway...
Ok, ok...so when is the used topic? :D
or your used car you better choose something as fast as an F360Cs ;)
Mattk
01-20-2007, 09:17 PM
The car needs to be very fast, turn and stop very well - be reasonably conservative with fuel consumption (as this car is going to be your daily driver - to work and home and the shops.)
The car needs to be able to hold it's own on drives through the countryside and when you take the car to a local race track, turn in decent lap times and even be able to withsatnd some drag racing abuse.
The car needs to survive for about 7 years and be able to turn over 120,000 miles without a problem and reasonably affordable to repair and service and have full factry warranty and support for at least some of its life.
There needs to be enough space inside to take you briefcase and laptop, and about 10 shopping bags of groceries.
The car also needs to be a reasonably affordable to insure on a family budget and finally - be affordable to purchase. (of course budgets differ - but to offer perspective, for many a $50,000 to $100,000 purchase would be the limiting range - as if you have much more than that available, chances are you have no need for a single car as your budget will allow a car for each mood - so it may sem like an arbitrary point, but it is rather realistic afterall - more people have a limited budget than not)
The car needs to be a new purchase (but for interest you may us a Time Machine and go back to any year you want and buy it new - but it must be able to compete with cars of that generation) [there will be a second topic for a used car at a later stage]
It also must be usable rain or shine - in climates with snow fall, you may assume that you dont need to drive on unplowed roads.
I'm going to have to go Australian with this one and go for the FPV GT BF Mk II, which is a based on the Falcon. It has plenty of power, eight cylinders, and can handle the track well. It also has plenty of space. Ford prides itself on its service ability, and there hasn't been anything to suggest otherwise. The GT is the base model for 8 cyl FPV cars, which basically means it has fewer luxury appointments, but it still has leather seats. The best thing is that it is relatively affordable - around $60000 my money. Insurance may be expensive, but so is insurance for every other sports car.
^^Clever choice of cars there. The Aussie V8's are overlooked a lot - I mean look how badly everyone slammed the "Pontiac GTO" ;)
harryo2b
01-20-2007, 09:30 PM
If you guys are talking new GT3 then you break the $100,000 barrier as well, if you are talking new '04 GT3 then that was $99,000 :wink:
'06 Carrera S. 6 spd, base model as I don't need any fancy options as they cost too much for what they are. Second set of 18" Winter tires for the winter months (required by German law to at least have All Seasons)
It can easily be used for daily driving and that is proven very much so here in Germany where I see many 997S and non S cars being driven even during winter while carrying the family. Insurance wouldn't be so bad as it would be a touch more than what I am paying now for my 987S.
It can be taken to the store for groceries, the ski slope for a weekend of skiing, the mountain for some mountain biking or even the track for a thrashing and yet be driven home the same day without having to change a thing. It can go, stop, turn with the best of them for it's target audience.
I wouldn't need anything more really until I got some proper seat time at a DE where I learned how to use a car's full potential. Then maybe I would consider GT3 since I would know more of how to push the car to the edge without certain death.
Mattk
01-20-2007, 09:34 PM
^To be perfectly honest, some Australian journalists weren't too keen on the Monaro's inferior (relatively) cornering ability. Part of the Monaro's appeal here is the history of the car, which cannot be replicated abroad.
A second choice for me would be the F6 Typhoon, also from FPV. 6 cyclinders, but not much less power, and same race car dynamics and technology. A few thousand bucks more expensive, though, because it has more luxury things inside. It's probably one of the most critically acclaimed Australian performance cars around.
It is clear from my choices that I'm a Ford fan, but the HSV cars are much the same and would also be worthy choices if you 1) like Holdens or 2) don't care. :wink:
Neema702
01-20-2007, 11:21 PM
sorry... i didnt realize 100K was a the real barrier, i thought everyone used their own disgression... well then id def. have to say the 08' E90 BMW M3 or a 07' 997 Carrera S.
If you guys are talking new GT3 then you break the $100,000 barrier as well, if you are talking new '04 GT3 then that was $99,000 :wink:
Shows I am stuck in the past then :P
So that means the 997GT3 and RS just moved out of the "affordable" range ;)
The 997S is a very fast car - pretty close to the 996 GT3 so that would be a good substitute.
Well, in reply to RC45...yes Nissan is planning a pretty big overhaul of the 350z since its such a strong seller for them. I believe, though Im not certain, that they are planning something to coincide with Toyotas launch of the new Supra (which I am also very much looking forward to).
According to some sources, Toyota plans to steal the top spot in this class from Nissan with its next Supra, giving more performance for less money then the 350z....and of course with Toyota build quality to match. We all know how bullet-proof the old Supras motor was so pretty much everybody trusts Toyota knows what its doing..........
TopGearNL
01-21-2007, 12:47 PM
Corvette or Porsche :D
bmagni
01-21-2007, 03:25 PM
they're fast enough to be considered sports cars...
No they are not fast enough to be considered sports cars - that is point of having a "sports car" category.. because sports cars are faster, lighter, nimbler and overall quicker than the rest.
there is clear difference in my mind between a sports car, and a sporty car... a sedan is no sports car in any way shape or form... 2 doors, 4 seats may fit... but... that may be streatching it.
a RS6 is NO sportscar, the RS4 is sporting, but no sports car, M3? I think its right around there, the 911 C2... you are going slower and slower, C4... a bit faster, an usable anyday...
ever heard of the word "sports sedan" ??
they may not be a sports car by definition but they have some sports car traits, which makes them IMO qualify for the subject in matter...
as for best bang for the buck I think it has been discussed so many times and it has been agreed by most of all which one get the title.
Really? I would not be so sure - after all you just offered an M3 and an M5 as "sports car" options.
ummmm, thats biased bullshit..
tell me, according to "RC45's book of sports cars" how does the M3 doesn't qualify as such.
Cause I see you saying that a 350Z is a great choice... :roll:
I thought the topic was about options, opinions, and personal choices, not which one is the overall winner
The choices options and opinions should all logically steer towards the same short list - if they don't then the problem lies with the definition of "sports car" and "reasonable cost".
And before you simply assume the winner, don't - the point is to weed out those that are definately not even in the running because of cost and or performance.
once again, then why is the 350Z a great choice ??
So - in this discussion, even though it is almost the greatest sports car even produced, the Enzo cannot get on this list... it fails the price test.
lol, best car ever produced and best bang for the buck sports car are VERY different
Similarly, the Caterham Superlight R cannot be on the list, because it really cannot practically be used to drive to work in the rain....
it can be used all summer long... and have a Corsa for rainy days :P
ANd neither can the Mazda Miatat - its too slow, and so with the Audi TT, even the Evo - cant run to 170mph+.
Neither can an Exige S, still you called it a great choice too :roll:
WHy does a stock M3 not make the list? Performance - its not in the "sports car" league of the day. This was true in 1987 and is true in 2007 - has the M3 of the day ever been as fast a 911 Turbo or F248/355/360/430?
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Why compare an M3 with a superior class car ??
Try not to turn this into "We hate the Corvette" thread if youpossibly can
why would I turn the discussion into a "we hate corvette" thread ? you believing everyone hates corvette is just getting pathetic, many people have said their different reasons (factual or non factual) to not have such a high praise for the corvette as you, but you keep saying "we hate the corvette".
- but also try be realistic within the topic criteria.
Sports Car
the one who changes the criteria is you... how ?? saying the 350Z is a good option but the M3 is not, saying that the cars have to reach 170+, and have good luggage space, but saying an Exige S is a good choice too. or first saying that the 911 is not fast but then sayin its super fast...
...cut out a bunch of whining...
The 350Z is a good choice but is too slow to actually be considered - but it is far more sports cra than an M3 could dream of being - sorry. The Exige makes the cut because it is fast car.. very fast in the right hands.
The 997S is a lot more car than a 996C2 or C4... thats why a 997S is super fast and a 911 C2 or C4 is not... the price range is up to $100,000 with certain performance requirments and if the 997GT3 costs over $100,000 then it is out of the running for this contest...
If a car is too slow or costs too much it is out of the running.
You understand now? BTW a stock M3 is a slow car... is has sprty pretentions, but it is slow.
IMKAOS
01-21-2007, 03:46 PM
Think I'd pick a GT3, it might not have the straight line speed of a corvette but it can sure out handle one and I think thats more important in the real world...
Think I'd pick a GT3, it might not have the straight line speed of a corvette but it can sure out handle one and I think thats more important in the real world...
That's what I would have bought if I could have afforded one at the time ;)
^^ Soo....could you afford one now if u sell your vette? :P
^^ Soo....could you afford one now if u sell your vette? :P
Yes - but would miss being able to fit 8ft strips of wood in the GT3 if I go the home depot.
It's fun to watch the Home Depot guy wheel the cart of wood strips and trimming for woodwroking projects out the parking lot and sopt near a pickup and I say no further over there - and then he steers toards the SUV and I have to say "No - the Corvette".
;)
BUt yes, a nice yellow 996 GT3 MK2 wold be a great fun substitute.. even though most EVO's, STi's and Mustang V8's would out run the GT3 to 100mph :P
It's fun to watch the Home Depot guy wheel the cart of wood strips and trimming for woodwroking projects out the parking lot and sopt near a pickup and I say no further over there - and then he steers toards the SUV and I have to say "No - the Corvette".
Ha ha, that's great. The look on the guy's face must be priceless!
How about an Audi R8?
Seen it at the NAIAS, looks great inside and out.
Mid engine, permanent four wheel drive (so you can use it all year around)
After all, it supposedly is going to be the most fierce competition for the 911!
But we'll have to wait and see the performance on the track.
the only problem I have with the R8, is that it reminds me a bit too much of the less desirable TT.
2vids
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6729581149668879190&q=audi+r8&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=59238894056969415&q=audi+r8&hl=en
tforth
01-22-2007, 12:50 AM
IMKAOS wrote:
Think I'd pick a GT3, it might not have the straight line speed of a corvette but it can sure out handle one and I think thats more important in the real world...
That's what I would have bought if I could have afforded one at the time
My eyes must be going...
How about an Audi R8?
I recall the R8 going to cost over $100,000 when all is said and done. Performance wise we will see when the R8's get to Houston.
well for two doors i would choose a, Porsche 911 Carrera 4S. year round fun.
and for four door i would choose, Mercedes-Benz CLS 63 AMG
I know there are faster more powerful cars out there but to DD these cars and to put my family and gas in them, this would be a good garage IMO.
sameerrao
01-22-2007, 02:45 PM
Best New sports car buy assuming most, if not all, criteria listed in post #1 are met - I am going to ignore the luggage criteria so forgive me this transgression - you can buy a $5,000 used Camry along with the sportscar to handle the mundane activities:
Under $20K: Mazda Miata base - great handling, good car to track with
Under $30K: Base Evo or WRX STi - fantastic price/$
Under $50K: Corvette coupe
Under $100K: C6 Z06 for the performance fiends and 997 C4S for the all-weather all performance
Under $200K: F430 - if you can find one at this price :)
Price no limit: Pagani Zonda F
Anticipating the future thread of best used car buy:
Under $20K: E30 M3 or E36 M3
Under $30K: Corvette Z06 for the speed crazy or for those who would like to experience classic cars: Late 80s Porsche 911 Carrera or 930 turbo if you can manage it - wont be that fast but they are true driver's cars
Under $50K: Corvette Z06 for the same reason as above .. or .. Ferrari 348/Porsche 993 Carrera if owning a car from these two marques is a childhood dream
Under $100K: Porsche GT3 for track work; Prosche 911 turbo for the road; Ferrari 355 for the sound/involvement. Can get a very early Modena but might be dicey purchase
Under $200K: Challenge Stradale - Ferrari's greatest car in 20 years
Price no limit: 1. Ferrari 288 GTO - my all time favorite 2. Mclaren F1 assuming you have your own private circuit - Mas Du Clos for instance :) 3. F40.
PATo355
01-22-2007, 03:13 PM
the answer has to be either the 05' 911 Turbo or a 07' 911 Turbo, or at least for me, i def. plan on having a car at this level before 35, or else what am i working so hard for
Hmmm.. this car cracks the $100,000 barrier... take it back to the Porsche dealer and get a GT3... try not leave with a Cayman or a C2 or C4.. they are just too slow by comparison ;)
Well the only car in the 50k faster than those porks is the Corvette ... since you are using it everyday you would not need that 0 to 60mph performance to much , but you will be sitted some hours a day inside the car , and i dont want a plastic cracking interior , thats why i think the porks are better , a c2 or a cayman ... if i want trackday performance , an exige or a z06 would be my option ... it looks so damn good in the flesh .
HeilSvenska
01-22-2007, 03:34 PM
Apparently, there's a chip mod that allows the Vette to do 30mpg without sacrificing the power.
subhir
01-22-2007, 05:11 PM
I would have to say that I would wait a little while for the new '08 Viper and the '08 Corvette SS (or travel into the future and find out which one is better) before deciding. But it would be one of them assuming they are under $ 100K.
but you will be sitted some hours a day inside the car , and i dont want a plastic cracking interior
Is that it? youguys seriously believe the interior is plastic and it will crack, peel and be all wore out in no time?
Is that seriously what you guys have been convinced is the truth?
Wow - there has been some seriously bad publicity spread about the modern US car then.
PATo355
01-22-2007, 05:47 PM
but you will be sitted some hours a day inside the car , and i dont want a plastic cracking interior
Is that it? youguys seriously believe the interior is plastic and it will crack, peel and be all wore out in no time?
Is that seriously what you guys have been convinced is the truth?
Wow - there has been some seriously bad publicity spread about the modern US car then.
Dont know ... its the reputation around ... ive been in a C5 and C6 Corvette ( not many around here ) and they dont look different from a lets say Impala or a Chevy truck ( my dad had several S.10 ) , which after some years they seem to wear very fast , and the quality of plastics its not on a par with the germans ... For looks i should say the C6 looks superb , and for the price nothing is faster .
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
hello everybody,
While it should be apparent the the Z06 would fit the bill very well, I'd opt for something a bit different. A Cobra replica, such as the ones made by Factory Five would be a great car. First off, it weighs about 2,200 pounds and is built on a full-on race chassis. As for the drivetrain, the buyer/builder would have a wide range of options. One could drop in a proven modern engine (new Ford 302, built LS1, LS7) that would put down great power while exhibiting civilized road manners (good idle, normal vacumm etc etc).
The Cobra replica would be a 0-60 bandit and a handling beast (all Factory Five models pull over 1.00 G's on the skid pad). With a proven drivetrain components the car would cruise well on the freeway too. 120,000 miles would be no problem at all.
On the downside of things, the beautiful AC-designed body shape isn't great for topspeed so the car wouldn't be as ideal for the really large circuits. Also, I doubt the builder would bother with finding/fabricating a hard top so the folks with harsher winters might not find the car too practical.
Anyway, a thoughtfully built Factory Five replica would certainly draw more looks than most sports cars while having no trouble keeping up.
but you will be sitted some hours a day inside the car , and i dont want a plastic cracking interior
Is that it? youguys seriously believe the interior is plastic and it will crack, peel and be all wore out in no time?
Is that seriously what you guys have been convinced is the truth?
Wow - there has been some seriously bad publicity spread about the modern US car then.
Dont know ... its the reputation around ... ive been in a C5 and C6 Corvette ( not many around here ) and they dont look different from a lets say Impala or a Chevy truck ( my dad had several S.10 ) , which after some years they seem to wear very fast , and the quality of plastics its not on a par with the germans ... For looks i should say the C6 looks superb , and for the price nothing is faster .
And again you are simply making a subjective statement.. because the "plastic" is exactly the same material.. yo ujust percieve it to be 'better'
Again - have you actually seen the interior of a 1997 or newer Chevrolet "all cracked up and trashed"?
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
Just because brembo and everso arrived and start something? Screw them.
Convinced RC?...LOL come one are you now trying to claim the Vette have a high quallity interior?
Convinced of what? That you are going out of your way to be an arsehole on a daily basis?
But for the sake of argument can you take a set of pics of your interior your car have been used as an daily driver it have run how many miles?
Why wouldn't I be? The interior looks the same as a new car - and it is 130,000km old already.
The leather of the drivers seat shows the same creasing that any soft leather seat would show after 130,000 miles worth of some 200lb fat arse sitting in it daily, but its not ripped, shredded or otherwise trashed. The plastic is not peeled or cracked.
snap some pics of the seats and around the interior and show us how great the quallity are....how well it holds up on use....
You trying to prove something again? I mean after you see them you will come up with some other shit anyway.
Seriously - you are turning out to tbe the epitomy of an intardnet loser. It is quite sad that the likes of you and everso have to pollute JW.
HeilSvenska
01-22-2007, 08:35 PM
Uh oh. RC45's angry.
Seriously - you are turning out to tbe the epitomy of an intardnet loser. It is quite sad that the likes of you and everso have to pollute JW.
LOL. listen here, geeza.....i think there are plenty of people on here who find your ranting/whining to be pure pollution...
just chill and have a good time on here....unfortunately, i don't come to JW as much as i used to...but every time i do log on, i find post after post with you fighting, screaming, ranting, and whining about something......THAT is wack.
everytime I logon I find post after post bullshit posts about US cars being shit and they mostly bogus and unfounded.
thereare no fights - just correctin the crap people post - most of which is blatantly false and concocted.
BTW - does your family know what a cowardly loser you are for breaking the GMe mbargo and then not owning up to it? Or even worse, after someone else took the brunt of the blame you didn't so much as say fuck ing thankyou?
Neema702
01-22-2007, 10:48 PM
how is the new E90 M3 not the answer... 60K... amazing handling... 400 HP... and plenty of room...
on another note... i think RC45 is freaking retarded... he fights with everyone on this damn forum and its all because he cant get over his PIECE OF SHIT Z06! How can GM even hold its head up with a pile of junk like the Z06... who the fuck cares that the car does a fast 0-60... IT HAS 500HP... it better be fast. and the piece of crap looks like shit inside, is made like shit (like ALL american cars) and CANT HANDLE FOR SHIT compared to a porsche or bmw.
how is the new E90 M3 not the answer... 60K... amazing handling... 400 HP... and plenty of room...
on another note... i think RC45 is freaking retarded... he fights with everyone on this damn forum and its all because he cant get over his PIECE OF SHIT Z06!
Really?
I see you are in Texas - maybe we can hold a JW Texas meet and you can say the same thing to my face intardent tough guy. *shrug*
Interesting that the people starting shit always have to spew retarded crap to open the discussion.
How can GM even hold its head up with a pile of junk like the Z06... who the fuck cares that the car does a fast 0-60... IT HAS 500HP... it better be fast. and the piece of crap looks like shit inside, is made like shit (like ALL american cars)
Your opinion on the build quality - funny how you dont get all pissed off aboput the F430 "being fast because it has xxxhp..." - there you rather just mindlessly cheer it on. Again - *shrug*
and CANT HANDLE FOR SHIT compared to a porsche or bmw.
Really? Why don;t you take you BMW and your Porsche and go meet someone on a rcae track and take on their car - since you are so convinced your BMW and Porsche are superior - instead of just mouthing off online?
I am sure if you go visit the Z06 forums there will be more than enough people willing to meet you on the track and see you put your money where your mouth is. *shrug*
nthfinity
01-22-2007, 11:31 PM
how is the new E90 M3 not the answer... 60K... amazing handling... 400 HP... and plenty of room...
on another note... i think RC45 is freaking retarded... he fights with everyone on this damn forum and its all because he cant get over his PIECE OF SHIT Z06! How can GM even hold its head up with a pile of junk like the Z06... who the fuck cares that the car does a fast 0-60... IT HAS 500HP... it better be fast. and the piece of crap looks like shit inside, is made like shit (like ALL american cars) and CANT HANDLE FOR SHIT compared to a porsche or bmw.
I make parts for a great many manufacturers, and I will attest that thier quality is nearly equal across the board. You can see this first hand when spending time in a Z06, or a M3, or a Acura, or Lexus etc. etc.
as far as handling, you really are an automotive fanboy not a factboy :?
David Hasselhoff
01-23-2007, 12:07 AM
Do I need to ask Chuck to roundhouse kick this RC punk into next week?
I could include autographed 8x9's for everyone as well.
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 12:48 AM
how is the new E90 M3 not the answer... 60K... amazing handling... 400 HP... and plenty of room...
You are a fanboy. First of all, the car doesn't "exist" yet. And it's very unlikely you've had a go in it.
on another note... i think RC45 is freaking retarded... he fights with everyone on this damn forum and its all because he cant get over his PIECE OF SHIT Z06!
Second of all, he's not alone. I think Z06 is a very qualified car. And STOP USING CAPS!!!
How can GM even hold its head up with a pile of junk like the Z06... who the fuck cares that the car does a fast 0-60... IT HAS 500HP... it better be fast. and the piece of crap looks like shit inside, is made like shit (like ALL american cars)
And GM cabin is not that shitty as you claim. Toyota and Honda may be considered better, but seriously, not that better.
and CANT HANDLE FOR SHIT compared to a porsche or bmw.
Z06? Can't handle? It's not the car's fault if you can't handle 500hp. It has everything a good sports car needs. Racing heritage, lots of power (well lots of power to weight ratio), handling proven by technical data... (Z06 beat 911 Turbo around the 'Ring on the Auto Motor & Sport test) I'm glad people like you don't like Z06s. There'll be plenty left for people like us.
tforth
01-23-2007, 01:16 AM
nthfinity wrote:
I make parts for a great many manufacturers, and I will attest that thier quality is nearly equal across the board. You can see this first hand when spending time in a Z06, or a M3, or a Acura, or Lexus etc. etc.
You keep mentioning this crap, as though you are the authority from the automotive industry. Well, I have been working for a tier 1 (that means direct supplier to OEs) supplier. However, we don't make interior trim crap or build-to -print stamping and such. We actually do ground up engine component and systems development and manufacturing. We supply to all major OEs, including Lexus, Honda, as well as the 'big 3'. We have 100s of patents, which provide us an enviable position on some product lines. This line about the standards all being the same is major B.S.
In general, the Japanese are way more diligent up front and have way more stringent quality standards than the 'big 3'. They also walk the talk, and don't just hide behind specs for the sake of ISO compliance. When they start to use a new products, they have already done their benchmarking; you don't need to educate them about the product, in general.
The europeans are a little different, again in general, in that they focus a little more on the technical innovation, and less on the up front quality. From a technical standpoint, I would say the european OEs would be the strongest engineers. I actual worked for a bit at Porsches R&D centre in Weissach, back in '91. The level of skill there was incredible.
how is the new E90 M3 not the answer... 60K... amazing handling... 400 HP... and plenty of room...
on another note... i think RC45 is freaking retarded... he fights with everyone on this damn forum and its all because he cant get over his PIECE OF SHIT Z06! How can GM even hold its head up with a pile of junk like the Z06... who the fuck cares that the car does a fast 0-60... IT HAS 500HP... it better be fast. and the piece of crap looks like shit inside, is made like shit (like ALL american cars) and CANT HANDLE FOR SHIT compared to a porsche or bmw.
easy, for 8k more (referring to the Z06 of course) you move up an entire performance class. The base Corvette, per dollar, is a better buy than your M3, get over it.
Anyway, back to my suggestion, just think what kind of Factory Five kit you could build with 60k even if you did none of the work yourself . . .
nthfinity
01-23-2007, 01:32 AM
In general, the Japanese are way more diligent up front and have way more stringent quality standards than the 'big 3'. They also walk the talk, and don't just hide behind specs for the sake of ISO compliance. When they start to use a new products, they have already done their benchmarking; you don't need to educate them about the product, in general.
actually you couldn't be more wrong here, as Japan is our primary base, and yes, I am a tier 1 supplier as well (we do roughly 85% japanese product). And considering I never once compared vs. the boys at Stutgart, let alone Weissach, I don't know why you are bringing that up.
as to Patents, yes, my company has quite a few of those as well. Am I "the" expert, no... but I know my way around quite a few of the heavy hitters in the auto industry; particularly those who have been around Detroit. You wouldn't believe some of what I "could" talk about in terms of quality, and reliabilty... but am contractually obligated to not talk about... considering that quality and reliabilty are two of my job functions; we all have our managers to report to... suffice to say that.
Anyway, back to my suggestion, just think what kind of Factory Five kit you could build with 60k even if you did none of the work yourself . . .
You may have seen a really nice FFive Cobra replica in photos I have posted - and you are right - the car is a great solid piece of kit.
A hardtop would keep the weather out.. but boy would it be a "scary but fun" ride in the wet.. ;)
ViperASR
01-23-2007, 01:59 AM
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
yea, Factory Five makes some good stuff. Even the spec racers limited to a mere 225 hp (for the sake of safer more fair spec racing) run deep into the 13's in the 1/4 mile. I'm tempted to mention FF's take on the "poor man's supercar" but I've yet to hear or see much of its actual performance. It'd atleast be another 0-60 bandit.
There's a big kit car show near me at Knott's Berry Farm every year. Ignoring the Ferrari-blaspheming Datsuns etc, it's really fun to see all the different flavors of Factory Five Cobra replicas.
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
Neema702
01-23-2007, 02:20 AM
RC45: i see you around the Copperfield area in houston all the time, so if you want, lets meet up you pussy ass bitch... dont fuckin start threatening me you faggot unless your willing to back it up
RC45, nthfinity, and Heilsvenska: fanboy my ass you dumbfucks. ya'll think someone needs to drive a car to know about it... what kind of stupid ass logic is that... are ya'll trying to say everyhting ive ever read is wrong... and on top of that... ive driven plenty of cars (shitty and exotic) and i know just as much about cars as any other true car lover... so ya'll can suck my dick with this fanboy shit.
lets talk numbers you retards: the E46 M3 csl (360 HP) did a 7:50 around Nordschleife, 996 GT3 (381 HP) in 7:52, C6 Z06 (505 HP) 7:43, and the 997 GT3 (415 HP) 7:42. Did u guys get that?! the E46 M3 with only 70% of the power of the Z06 did a lap within 7 seconds of the Z06, and thats the old M3! So lets ask ourselves, how did the 997 GT3 with only 80% of the Z06's power beat the Z06, answer: IT HANDLES BETTER!
and as far as interiors and build quality goes... hahaha... are u losers kidding me... anyone who has been in a vette knows its looks and feels like shit inside... just like most american cars... where as bmw, porsche, audi, MB, lexus, etc... make interiors u fags could only dream about. build quality on american cars is still SHIT. especially GM cars... just go look it up in any major source. with all ya'lls experience, ya'll still dont know this yet... sounds like some fanboys to me.
and RC... who said anything about the F430... and i quote: "funny how you dont get all pissed off aboput the F430 being fast because it has xxxhp..." i never even mentioned the F430 for this discussion... sounds like your trying to put ferraris down again... you'll do anything to try and support your precious Z06 wont you? sounds like a fanboy to me!
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 02:21 AM
...and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Tuner market shouldn't even be mentioned. A proper sports car should be sufficient enough not to need modifications made to it.
tuffguy
01-23-2007, 02:40 AM
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Even tuned, the 350Z will get its ass handed to it by a stock STi or an Evo. They need to be really heavily tuned.
350Zs and G35s were easy pickings when my car was stock, now I don't even bother.
E46 M3 is great, but it's a bit too luxurious and therefore too heavy. I raced my friends when my car had less than 500 miles on it, and they're dead even to 100mph from a roll. Now that I've thrown $500 at it (MBC, filter, flash, rally cat) it's no contest. Carreras are pretty easy too.
In order of preference: Evo, Elise, Cayman S.
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 02:43 AM
Evo? To be frank, it's not a sports car. It as two doors too many, and it's not exactly pretty. A good sports has to look good.
tuffguy
01-23-2007, 02:48 AM
If a 2-door sports car is slower than a 4-door family sedan, it's not really a "sports" car, now matter how good it looks. Might as well buy a Tiburon or tC.
:twisted:
tuffguy
01-23-2007, 02:51 AM
lets talk numbers you retards: the E46 M3 csl (360 HP) did a 7:50 around Nordschleife
The M3 CSL and the regular M3 are very, very, very different cars. The regular M3 weighs ~3500lbs and has 330hp. The CSL probably weighs 500lbs less, has 30hp more, stickier tires, and much better suspension and center of gravity.
Don't bring up the regular M3 and then spew stats about the CSL.
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 02:53 AM
That's why those two you mentioned aren't sports cars. :P
Aaaaaaaaaaaah! Double post! (faints)
PATo355
01-23-2007, 02:58 AM
but you will be sitted some hours a day inside the car , and i dont want a plastic cracking interior
Is that it? youguys seriously believe the interior is plastic and it will crack, peel and be all wore out in no time?
Is that seriously what you guys have been convinced is the truth?
Wow - there has been some seriously bad publicity spread about the modern US car then.
Dont know ... its the reputation around ... ive been in a C5 and C6 Corvette ( not many around here ) and they dont look different from a lets say Impala or a Chevy truck ( my dad had several S.10 ) , which after some years they seem to wear very fast , and the quality of plastics its not on a par with the germans ... For looks i should say the C6 looks superb , and for the price nothing is faster .
And again you are simply making a subjective statement.. because the "plastic" is exactly the same material.. yo ujust percieve it to be 'better'
Again - have you actually seen the interior of a 1997 or newer Chevrolet "all cracked up and trashed"?
Yup ... 2 of my dads S10 , a friends Cheyenne Work Truck , and a dad´s gf Z71 Silverado , and some friends Impalas , Tahoes , Suburbans , etc , they are all worn up , its obviously subjective , but there are plastics and plastics , tell me a chinese ipod knockoff has the same feeling as an ipod ? in the end its still plastic ...dont tell me you dont find a bmw plastic interior better than the used in the american cars ? maybe the americans with the culture of dispossable dig it ... not me ... even tho i admit american trucks are the most cheap to run and very tough ... and the corvette is fast and good looking , but if it goes like a 200k ferrari , and the corvette is just 50k , they must have save the money somewhere , the answer ? cheap materials :wink:
PATo355
01-23-2007, 03:04 AM
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ...
RC45: i see you around the Copperfield area in houston all the time, so if you want, lets meet up you pussy ass bitch... dont fuckin start threatening me you faggot unless your willing to back it up
Thanks - now we (HPD and I) know who shot up my car.
Bingo.. I knew that sooner or later the person who did it would blow their load.
Nobody is threatening you - you were simply invited to attend a Houston JW meeting - but since you just crossed the line between the virtual world and the real this thread and your logon IP is going directly to Houston Police - Next time you should think twice before running off and threatening physical violence - in real life or online.
Looks like I backed it up after all.
RC45, nthfinity, and Heilsvenska: fanboy my ass you dumbfucks. ya'll think someone needs to drive a car to know about it... what kind of stupid ass logic is that... are ya'll trying to say everyhting ive ever read is wrong... and on top of that... ive driven plenty of cars (shitty and exotic) and i know just as much about cars as any other true car lover... so ya'll can suck my dick with this fanboy shit.
lets talk numbers you retards: the E46 M3 csl (360 HP) did a 7:50 around Nordschleife, 996 GT3 (381 HP) in 7:52, C6 Z06 (505 HP) 7:43, and the 997 GT3 (415 HP) 7:42. Did u guys get that?! the E46 M3 with only 70% of the power of the Z06 did a lap within 7 seconds of the Z06, and thats the old M3! So lets ask ourselves, how did the 997 GT3 with only 80% of the Z06's power beat the Z06, answer: IT HANDLES BETTER!
and as far as interiors and build quality goes... hahaha... are u losers kidding me... anyone who has been in a vette knows its looks and feels like shit inside... just like most american cars... where as bmw, porsche, audi, MB, lexus, etc... make interiors u fags could only dream about. build quality on american cars is still SHIT. especially GM cars... just go look it up in any major source. with all ya'lls experience, ya'll still dont know this yet... sounds like some fanboys to me.
and RC... who said anything about the F430... and i quote: "funny how you dont get all pissed off aboput the F430 being fast because it has xxxhp..." i never even mentioned the F430 for this discussion... sounds like your trying to put ferraris down again... you'll do anything to try and support your precious Z06 wont you? sounds like a fanboy to me!
I am done with you bud. The Houston Police will be handling all further dealings with you.
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ...
Thats the point - there are only a few cars with the prerformance of a $200K car and the price of a $50K car.
PATo355
01-23-2007, 03:14 AM
You said it has to be a daily driver , corvette sucks too much gas , well ... for me performance wise has to be a Corvette , as a daily driver + performance + comfort = porsche cayman S .
You said it has to be a daily driver , corvette sucks too much gas , well ... for me performance wise has to be a Corvette , as a daily driver + performance + comfort = porsche cayman S .
Thats a valid view point - anyway - I am done with JW for a while until the Houston Police have finished up with Neema702.
Once someone threatens physical violence the game changes and the game just changed.
Its a pity some people can't keep a lid on their violent nature but such is life.
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 03:18 AM
^ That's a good choice as well. But Corvettes are not that horrible fuel guzzlers. Like I said before, there are chips to make it easier to attain 30mpg. And even stock it's not that poorer than a Cayman S, which also spends a lot of fuel.
the 2006 Cayman S gets little better mileage than the Z06 while being far outclassed on the track.
Cayman S's mileage: 20 in the city and 27 on the highway
Z06's mileage: 16 in the city and 26 on the highway
I drive in crowded Southern California and despite the traffic, I don't get that much stop and go traffic so the in city mpg doesn't mean as much to me. A fellow I talked to who drove his new 06 Corvette coupe back to California from Bowling Green kentucky averaged 31 mpg while on the highway despite his car being rated at 28 mpg highway. I'd assume the Z06 is also a bit underrated. Of course, the Cayman S's mpg could be underestimated as well. Say what you'd like about the Z06's ride quality as a daily. I certainly wouldn't mind it.
PATo355
01-23-2007, 03:27 AM
^ That's a good choice as well. But Corvettes are not that horrible fuel guzzlers. Like I said before, there are chips to make it easier to attain 30mpg. And even stock it's not that poorer than a Cayman S, which also spends a lot of fuel.
Could be , i dont know facts , but a corvette with its huuuuge v8 with 500hp should do some 5km per liter , and the coxster some 8km per liter ... thats a difference , dont know exact facts as i said before ... The coxster should have better ride comfort , as for handling the C6 was praised by the media . That would be my choice , both look great , but if you want 0 to 60 performance the corvette doesnt have a rival in the low 100 .
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ...
Thats the point - there are only a few cars with the prerformance of a $200K car and the price of a $50K car.
. . . toooooo many boxes!
^ That's a good choice as well. But Corvettes are not that horrible fuel guzzlers. Like I said before, there are chips to make it easier to attain 30mpg. And even stock it's not that poorer than a Cayman S, which also spends a lot of fuel.
Could be , i dont know facts , but a corvette with its huuuuge v8 with 500hp should do some 5km per liter , and the coxster some 8km per liter ... thats a difference , dont know exact facts as i said before ... The coxster should have better ride comfort , as for handling the C6 was praised by the media . That would be my choice , both look great , but if you want 0 to 60 performance the corvette doesnt have a rival in the low 100 .
5km/litre comes to about 11.8 mpg. The Z06 does far better than this and that is why I love the LS7.
. . . sorry about the double post
Neema702
01-23-2007, 03:35 AM
Hah! you think writing something as pathetic as "your telling the police" is enough to scare me? is that what ur about RC? just talking big? all i did was defend myself, you said u wanna meet up and have me say ur fag to ur face... assuming u were implying you were going to get physical i let you know that id defend myself by whooping ur ass. get it now?
and how dare u accuse me of something as stupid as shooting ur car... thats just too retarded for words!
talking tough on internet forums . . . that's an oxymoron if ever there was one
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 04:10 AM
It is getting very silly. But I need sleep. Will see what happens tomorrow.
Hah! you think writing something as pathetic as "your telling the police" is enough to scare me? is that what ur about RC? just talking big? all i did was defend myself, you said u wanna meet up and have me say ur fag to ur face... assuming u were implying you were going to get physical i let you know that id defend myself by whooping ur ass. get it now?
and how dare u accuse me of something as stupid as shooting ur car... thats just too retarded for words!
No sir - we (the Houston Police and I) have been on the look out for the person/persons who shot out my car windows since day one - you have demonstrated clearly intent to do harm and damage and knowledge and recognition of the car - feel free to explain your defense to them. They are the ones with the open case to solve.
With regard to your threat of physical harm - you are also evidently foolish enough to solicit a meeting and threaten physical harm at the same time - not exactly the wisest of moves now was it - because if you ever do anything more it will be clearly pre-meditated and very easily prosecuted. So if you want to meet so badly, name the place and time - you'll just have one hell of a time explaining your position to the prosecution.
I mean, if all you are about is "I'll meet you in person and beat you yup" no wonder the Euro's have such a pathetic view of Americans - you clearly demonstrate the neanderthal behaviour they accuse you of.
Ghostbat
01-23-2007, 10:28 AM
I mean, if all you are about is "I'll meet you in person and beat you yup" no wonder the Euro's have such a pathetic view of Americans - you clearly demonstrate the neanderthal behaviour they accuse you of.
Dude we have our fare share of retards in Sweden/Europe too.
I mean, if all you are about is "I'll meet you in person and beat you yup" no wonder the Euro's have such a pathetic view of Americans - you clearly demonstrate the neanderthal behaviour they accuse you of.
Dude we have our fare share of retards in Sweden/Europe too.
WHich is ok - but when they start stalking you that;s when the dynamic changes.
Neema702
01-23-2007, 12:06 PM
RC, what the fuck are you talking about... its as if you just talk to hear your own voice. i didnt do a goddamn thing to ur car... i said ive seen you in it... are retarded or something. Im allowed to think your a piece of shit, and see you in ur car... and not be the person who did whatever to ur car... im not even going to post on this subject anymore. fuck you RC!
ViperASR
01-23-2007, 12:08 PM
:popcorn: I think imma let RC chill for awhile
TopGearNL
01-23-2007, 12:37 PM
This must be biggest quote in history of JW :shock:
RC, what the fuck are you talking about... its as if you just talk to hear your own voice. i didnt do a goddamn thing to ur car... i said ive seen you in it... are retarded or something. Im allowed to think your a piece of shit, and see you in ur car... and not be the person who did whatever to ur car... im not even going to post on this subject anymore. fuck you RC!
I am not accusing you of anything at all. That would be reckless and irresponsible.
I am just passing on information - HPD and the Insurance Company will determine if there is enough evidence to charge you with being the vandal nut job that shot up may car. If it wasn't you then you have nothing to worry about? Right?
I mean if you did nothing then your good name would not have been sullied and no harm no foul.
It's out of my hands now buddy.
Good luck with that.
Of course, we could just meet over Starbucks and forget the whole exchange ever happened. Up to you.
Neema702
01-23-2007, 01:15 PM
I cant believe you would even go as far as passing this on to the police... well thank god i dont know what ur talking about... but i am down to meet at Starbucks... i have always wanted to see and hear ur Z06 in person.
I cant believe you would even go as far as passing this on to the police...
My car was shotup with my family at home - who knows ho wbadly that coul dhave gone wrong. And the crime will eventually get solved - so any and all leads are followed up on.
well thank god i dont know what ur talking about... but i am down to meet at Starbucks... i have always wanted to see and hear ur Z06 in person.
We should make a JW meet of it - after this rains pass, I am sure sameer and a few others will be itching to get out into the backroads for some sunny fun running.
Neema702
01-23-2007, 01:25 PM
well I'm sorry that happened to you and ur family... and i hope ya'll catch the jerk... but u did make a pretty bold accusation earlier... hopefully we can just put this behind us.
A JW meet would be awesome. I've always wanted to meet up with u guys... and drive on these backroads ya'll talk about so often. just let me know when and where.
HeilSvenska
01-23-2007, 02:00 PM
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ...
Thats the point - there are only a few cars with the prerformance of a $200K car and the price of a $50K car.
. . . toooooo many boxes!
What? :wink:
Meh. I've seen worse.
ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ...
Thats the point - there are only a few cars with the prerformance of a $200K car and the price of a $50K car.
. . . toooooo many boxes!
What? :wink:
Meh. I've seen worse.
..much worse...
TopGearNL
01-23-2007, 02:28 PM
Stop quoting! :wink:
Caplax40
01-23-2007, 02:43 PM
[quote:fb571329e0="everso"][quote:fb571329e0="TNT"]ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll:
the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right.
hilarious, isn't it?
Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why....
and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page
And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it
Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow.
You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ...
Thats the point - there are only a few cars with the prerformance of a $200K car and the price of a $50K car.
. . . toooooo many boxes!
What? :wink:
Meh. I've seen worse.
..much worse...[/quote:fb571329e0]
I don't see what the fuss is about..[/quote:fb571329e0]
I can quote too
TopGearNL
01-23-2007, 03:30 PM
But whats the final conclusion?
EDITED: Sorry Jabba..!
Jabba
01-23-2007, 03:32 PM
Lets not start to get silly with the over quoting please :!:
ViperASR
01-23-2007, 03:39 PM
^^^
lol, I was wondering when someone would intervene with the quoting :lol: :wink:
Not to change to topic too much.........but wouldnt it have been nice it Mazda had taken the RX-7 and put a more reliable V-6 twin turbo set up in it instead of the Rotary which, while unique and intresting, didnt tend to last very long at all if driven hard.
Another car Im looking forward to: The Mazdaspeed Mx-5. Assuming they give the same treatment to it that they gave to the last one (read, TURBO, suspension upgrades, body changes, etc) it should be one interesting proposition. They already have the monster turbo 4 from the Mazdaspeed 3 that pushes out more torque then a base Evo........they could use that. Here's to hoping. It could give the S2000 a run for its money if Mazda are brave enough to develope it into a hardcore car. Certainly the basics are there. Low weight, rear wheel drive, small, nimble, open top, sweet gearbox, low center of gravity.....and an engine already developed. Ugh......
Lets not start to get silly with the over quoting please :!:
Feel free to delete em all - I think they ended up being a little bit a tension deflector :P ;)
nthfinity
01-23-2007, 05:29 PM
RC45, nthfinity, and Heilsvenska: fanboy my ass you dumbfucks. ya'll think someone needs to drive a car to know about it... what kind of stupid ass logic is that... are ya'll trying to say everyhting ive ever read is wrong... and on top of that... ive driven plenty of cars (shitty and exotic) and i know just as much about cars as any other true car lover... so ya'll can suck my dick with this fanboy shit.
You didn't refute my assertion very well...
M3 CSL = semi slick tires with additional suspension geometry differences to the standard M3; porsche suggest that a sport badged 911 is good for roughly an additional 7 seconds on NS (keep in mind, S models have between 30, and 50 more bhp on tap then the standard model) with michillin PS2's vs. Exulto? (all weather) that come with the standard model.
on a track like NS, 7 seconds is massive!
the C6 Z06 runs on runflat tires, which as you know being a factboy are not all that grippy; where the Z06 relies heavily on mechanical grip; all while the tires are rated to last far longer then a semi slick. A semi-slick alone is enough to drop another 5-7 seconds w/out any suspension modifications... so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp... the CSL is a very harsh ride by all accounts... the Z06 is still daily drivable, at home both on the track and on the road. The CSL is an impressive car; but dropping the weight, and adding 30 more bhp ends up costing near the mark of 100,000$ if you could get one... good luck importing it ;)
the 997GT3 RS lapped NS in 7:42, while the C6 Zo6 lapped in 7:42, and on a tighter track, the benefit slightly sways in favor of the GT3 RS by 1/2 a second... damn impressive handling from the C6 Zo6, is it not? I mean... porsche have a stripped out race car that is awsome and they are the master's of the NS, right?
Ask any track-goer how much 100 hp improves thier lap times ;) sure, it is measurable, but it isn't such a massive number.
to further argue.... the 997 GT3 RS has semi slicks, and is 5 seconds faster then the standard 997 GT3; so let us assume that the vette gets a similar advantage, with the same semi-slicks, it may lap NS in 7:37.9... but, as you know, with more power available... you can go on throttle earlier on the exit of turns... so... such a direct measurement isn't exactly 100% accurate ;)
is the Z06 the best handling machine? far from it, if you want that, go buy a Caterham SLR, or Ariel Atom, or shifter kart for that matter... but in terms of road cars that are daily drivable; the C6 Z06 is right up there with the M3 CSL's, the 911 GT3's and GT3 RS's, Ferrari 360 CS, F430's, Gallardo's, Ford GT's, etc. etc. etc.
hopefully you can learn a little from this ; there is no spin i'm giving here, not'n but plain ol' logic :)
Neema702
01-23-2007, 06:36 PM
You didn't refute my assertion very well...
M3 CSL = semi slick tires with additional suspension geometry differences to the standard M3; porsche suggest that a sport badged 911 is good for roughly an additional 7 seconds on NS (keep in mind, S models have between 30, and 50 more bhp on tap then the standard model) with michillin PS2's vs. Exulto? (all weather) that come with the standard model.
on a track like NS, 7 seconds is massive!
You just made my point nthfinity... the fact that porsche claims a 911 can go around the NS 7 seconds faster due to 30-50 more HP is exactly what im saying. The Z06 has 100 more HP then a E46 CSL and it weighs less (225 pounds less!) then the CSL and the CSL still managed to get within 7 seconds. Plus... ur assumption that the Z06 did the 7:43 lap with run-flats is unsubstantiated.
And all this talk about taking 5 seconds off the Z06's time due to tires is also pure assumption. The 997 GT3 weighs 267 pounds more then a Z06 AND has 90 less HP but still managed to go around the track faster then the Z06. and since your so down to make assumptions, lets assume we gave the 997 GT3 90 more HP, it would blow the Z06 away on a track. No one said that all porsche or bmw cars would beat the Z06 around a track, i said they have far better handling, and i think the numbers show this. Plus... ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.
so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp...
We're talking about the Z06, BMW's, and Porsche's... NOT ferrari's, Lambos, and benzo's...
the C6 Z06 is right up there with the M3 CSL's, the 911 GT3's and GT3 RS's, Ferrari 360 CS, F430's, Gallardo's, Ford GT's, etc. etc. etc.
hopefully you can learn a little from this ; there is no spin i'm giving here, not'n but plain ol' logic :)
The Z06 is a great car for 70K, amazing for that matter... but it is NOT up there with the 997 GT3's and Ford GT's. Plus you cant compare the C6 Z06 to the 996 porsche's or an F430 or 360 CS, wait until the F430 CS or the 997 GT2 comes out, then compare. your plain ol'logic seems a little off... id say a little biased... haha
harryo2b
01-23-2007, 06:58 PM
You didn't refute my assertion very well...
M3 CSL = semi slick tires with additional suspension geometry differences to the standard M3; porsche suggest that a sport badged 911 is good for roughly an additional 7 seconds on NS (keep in mind, S models have between 30, and 50 more bhp on tap then the standard model) with michillin PS2's vs. Exulto? (all weather) that come with the standard model.
on a track like NS, 7 seconds is massive!
You just made my point nthfinity... the fact that porsche claims a 911 can go around the NS 7 seconds faster due to 30-50 more HP is exactly what im saying. The Z06 has 100 more HP then a E46 CSL and it weighs less (225 pounds less!) then the CSL and the CSL still managed to get within 7 seconds. Plus... ur assumption that the Z06 did the 7:43 lap with run-flats is unsubstantiated.
And all this talk about taking 5 seconds off the Z06's time due to tires is also pure assumption. The 997 GT3 weighs 267 pounds more then a Z06 AND has 90 less HP but still managed to go around the track faster then the Z06. and since your so down to make assumptions, lets assume we gave the 997 GT3 90 more HP, it would blow the Z06 away on a track. No one said that all porsche or bmw cars would beat the Z06 around a track, i said they have far better handling, and i think the numbers show this. Plus... ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.
so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp...
We're talking about the Z06, BMW's, and Porsche's... NOT ferrari's, Lambos, and benzo's...
the C6 Z06 is right up there with the M3 CSL's, the 911 GT3's and GT3 RS's, Ferrari 360 CS, F430's, Gallardo's, Ford GT's, etc. etc. etc.
hopefully you can learn a little from this ; there is no spin i'm giving here, not'n but plain ol' logic :)
The Z06 is a great car for 70K, amazing for that matter... but it is NOT up there with the 997 GT3's and Ford GT's. Plus you cant compare the C6 Z06 to the 996 porsche's or an F430 or 360 CS, wait until the F430 CS or the 997 GT2 comes out, then compare. your plain ol'logic seems a little off... id say a little biased... haha
Problem pitting the Z06 up against the "911" is that there are many damn variants of the 911 that you could put up against the Z for comparison. Z06 being the best car per dollar for the track would it go up against the GT3 or the GT2 which are both Porsche's track oriented cars? If you want to pit the car against it's closest HP Porsche rival for the moment it would be the Turbo which is more GT.
tforth
01-23-2007, 07:51 PM
and the corvette is fast and good looking , but if it goes like a 200k ferrari , and the corvette is just 50k , they must have save the money somewhere , the answer ? cheap materials
The other reason no one seems to mention is that GM heavily subsidizes every Z06 they sell, whereas Ferrari makes a killing on most of their cars, partially because people are willing to pay for the 'image/mystique'.
sameerrao
01-23-2007, 08:13 PM
I don't know what you guys are fighting about - the best sports car is the Ferrari 348 :lol:
tforth
01-23-2007, 08:15 PM
nthfinity wrote:
A semi-slick alone is enough to drop another 5-7 seconds w/out any suspension modifications...
Well that's interesting because, using the 996 GT3 & RS as references, you're wrong. There are a lot more differences than just the tires between these two (i.e. weight, suspension, a big wing on the back, etc.), and the official difference between them on the NS is ---> 5s. I'll include the source, unlike other people around here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/nordschleife-fastest-lap-times
nthfinity wrote:
A semi-slick alone is enough to drop another 5-7 seconds w/out any suspension modifications...
Well that's interesting because, using the 996 GT3 & RS as references, you're wrong. There are a lot more differences than just the tires between these two (i.e. weight, suspension, a big wing on the back, etc.), and the official difference between them on the NS is ---> 5s. I'll include the source, unlike other people around here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/nordschleife-fastest-lap-times
Uhm - answers.com just culled their list from The unOffcial Nurburgring site - and a couple are incorrect.
Neema702
01-23-2007, 09:10 PM
very valid point harryo2b... altho i think the GT3 is the most direct competitor to the Z06 out of the 911's, due to both price and performance.
tforth... you are a wise man... need more like you... haha!
you know sameerrao... id agree... but i just love the 355 so much more...
Plus... ur assumption that the Z06 did the 7:43 lap with run-flats is unsubstantiated.
No its not unsubstantiated - it has been verified. By the factory, by witnesses and the driver.
ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.
Yet they are able to lap in the same times.
Plus you cant compare the C6 Z06 to the 996 porsche's or an F430 or 360 CS, wait until the F430 CS or the 997 GT2 comes out, then compare. your plain ol'logic seems a little off... id say a little biased... haha
Well the C5 Z06 already dances toe to toes with the F360Cs so thats taken care of.
And besides the C6 Z)6 vs the F430..
Ah screw this - its just the same thing all over again....
Neema702
01-23-2007, 09:15 PM
RC: i think all the numbers there are correct... its just not a complete list... they're missing some times for sure...
question for you... do u think the Ferrari F430 CS or 997 GT2 will have a slower lap time then the Z06?
RC: i think all the numbers there are correct... its just not a complete list... they're missing some times for sure...
question for you... do u think the Ferrari F430 CS or 997 GT2 will have a slower lap time then the Z06?
With 2 more years of development time and significant compromise in out and out street manners why shouldn't they be faster - and significantly more expensive to boot... the Gt2 would probably cost $60,000 more than the Turbo
nthfinity
01-23-2007, 11:18 PM
tforth, many of those times are very innacurate; somewhere in JW, there is an image of the all time Sport Auto supertest results... much more trustworthy for comparison results. For example, I know many inside Ford's SVT department who were actually testing the FGT on NS asking about laps, development, and lap times... to which each and every one simply said "no hot lap was recorded" in multiple forms of responses. Horst Von Saurma lapped in 7:52, a still very impressive lap time.... and many other laps mentioned are equally off the mark.
You just made my point nthfinity... the fact that porsche claims a 911 can go around the NS 7 seconds faster due to 30-50 more HP is exactly what im saying. The Z06 has 100 more HP then a E46 CSL and it weighs less (225 pounds less!) then the CSL and the CSL still managed to get within 7 seconds. Plus... ur assumption that the Z06 did the 7:43 lap with run-flats is unsubstantiated.
The fact is an S model is far more then just 30-50 more bhp, it is a full package upgrade; and the point i'm proving is mine. Since when is a CSL a daily driver type car? Its bloody fast; sure... if you think 7 seconds is a small feat on NS, then think again... perhaps count aloud just to get an idea between the gap.
from C5 Z06 which tied the Mk1 GT3 996 on NS to the C6 Z06 coming down a remarkable 13 seconds in one generation is damnned impressive from an already VERY fast time. Yes, the porsche GT3 within the same era will out handle the Z06 by a small margin. That has never been the argumentative point, it is the degree of difference which you simply cannot seem to comprehend; it boggles my mind :? :? :?
And all this talk about taking 5 seconds off the Z06's time due to tires is also pure assumption. The 997 GT3 weighs 267 pounds more then a Z06 AND has 90 less HP but still managed to go around the track faster then the Z06. and since your so down to make assumptions, lets assume we gave the 997 GT3 90 more HP, it would blow the Z06 away on a track. No one said that all porsche or bmw cars would beat the Z06 around a track, i said they have far better handling, and i think the numbers show this. Plus... ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.
wtf are you going on about? the fact is, the GT3 doesn't have that additional 90 bhp, it has the right amount for what the car is, unless you go to KORO ;) A 2004 bouncy bit's Z06 is damn close, weather you can drive it like that or not. Have you put in any track time? Welcome to the exotic, and sports car driving club :roll:
so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp...
We're talking about the Z06, BMW's, and Porsche's... NOT ferrari's, Lambos, and benzo's...
look at the time, compare vs. a Porsche and BMW CSL then ;) the argument isnt changed, you just don't get it :?
The Z06 is a great car for 70K, amazing for that matter... but it is NOT up there with the 997 GT3's and Ford GT's. Plus you cant compare the C6 Z06 to the 996 porsche's or an F430 or 360 CS, wait until the F430 CS or the 997 GT2 comes out, then compare. your plain ol'logic seems a little off... id say a little biased... haha My logic is far from biased, I am a realist, that is the difference... it is easy when finding your name on other boards you are anything but a fanboy; but maybe here this discussion can get past your childish obsession that somehow a CSL is such a superior car... so superior that the engines aren't reliable ;) so superior that the chief designer of the 3.2 S62 or whatever it is called thinks anybody tuning one is an idiot... a sportscar is the whole package, never just one facet, when you can admit that, then you've made progress... until then, you may as well drive a Gen 1 Golf because it handles well, who cares about its power, and power delivery. :roll:
the fact is that EVERY comparo out there pits the Z against the the 997 GT3's, and GT3 RS's, against hte F430's with thier Carbon ceramic breaks, mid engines, and amazing electronic diff, Gallardo SE's. It may not win every comparo, but it is right up there every single time right with those boys you have such an affinity to. Why can't you accept it is right therE? it is more then just damn good for the money, it is RIGHT THERE.
BTW, the C6Z06 ran NS in 7:42.9 seconds on runflat tires, 100% production with Jan Magnusen at the wheel, the same suspension set up that every single owner recieves when the car is new.
point out the falicy of my logic, and i'll concede; state fanboy material, and you will never win an argument. "the Z06 can't handle because its american, no way it can beat Porsche because it's a porsche!" LMAO
lap times count, and why didn't the M3 GTR ever do anything in terms of race wins? C6 R developed in tandem with the C6 Z06; only Porsche can attest to similar characteristics :)
Also, while you are at it, find me one single statement that is biased towared the Z, and i'll concede :)
tforth
01-23-2007, 11:41 PM
RC45 wrote:
Neema702 wrote:
ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.
Yet they are able to lap in the same times.
Huh? Per one of my posts in the other popular thread in this section:
"OK, here you go. The following list is from evo 099 (it's their Bedford Autodrome lap times):
Vehicle lap time Peak
(min:s) (mph)
1 Caterham R500 Evo 1:19.62 117.0
2 Porsche CGT 1:19.70 120.5
3 Caterham CSR 260 1:21.00 112.8
4 Ariel Atom 300 S/C 1:21.85 113.9
5 Caterham CSR 260 S/L 1:21.85 110.7
6 Koenigsegg CCX 1:22.30 120.0
7 Lamborghini Gallardo '06 1:22.80 116.9
8 Mosler MT900 1:23.00 115.7
9 Ascari KZ1 1:23.20 117.8
10 Porsche 911 (997) turbo 1:23.55 116.5
11 Porsche 911 (996) GT3 RS 1:23.85 113.4
12 Lamborghini Gallardo 1:23.90 112.4
13 Ferrari F430 1:24.20 112.2
14 Corvette Z06 (C6) 1:24.45 118.1
15 Mitsubishi Evo IX FQ-340 1:24.55 107.3
16 Porsche 911 (997) Carrera S Sport 1:24.60 108.2"
Please note where the C6 (i.e. NOT C5) Z06 is in this list (14th), as compared to the 996 GT3 RS (11th). In plane english, the 996 GT3 RS was clearly faster than the C6 Z06 on Bedford.
Another point, I'd like to draw your attention to is the comparative trap speeds the Z06 turned, as compared to its nearest timed competitors (i.e. 118.1, vs. 107.3 for the Evo and 112.2 for F430). In fact, you have to go all the way up to the Koenigsegg CCX, in 6th place, which was over 2s faster than it, to find a faster trap speed. What does this point to; the same thing that was highlighted in the Auto Zeitung article which compared it on Hockenheim against the 997 GT3 RS (see neighbouring thread): The C6 Z06 relies on its excellent power/torque/weight ratio to out accelerate its competition into the turns (which it brakes far earlier for) to compensate for its comparatively poor handling characteristics, especially on bumpy surfaces.
What's interesting to me is that according to often quoted (by someone here) NS time of 7:43 (i.e. not 7:42...), the Z06 is apparently 4 s FASTER than the 996 GT3 RS. The irony here is that, according to evo's time on a comparatively (to the NS) short track like Beford (1.8 mi), the 996 GT3 RS is 0.6 s faster. Remember, the Z06 has a power to weight ratio 31.5% better than the 996 GT3 RS! This typically will benefit a car more on short circuits at lower peak speeds. In addition, you would have to think that NS derived 996 GT3 RS had its rear wing, etc. specifically tuned to benefit it at the high corner speeds seen on the Ring.
This all makes me wonder about the credibility of that time. I would really like to see sport auto do its Supertest with Z06, so we could get some agreement on this time.
Furthermore, I'm fairly confident that when evo, or sport auto run the 997 GT3 RS and at Hockenheim, you'll see a different picture than what Auto Zeitung reported. I was very surprised to see that rag compare these two cars in the first place.
Lastly, did anyone notice that the Evo FQ 340 was almost as fast as the Z06, and it's a glorified 4 cylinder family sedan.
nthfinity
01-23-2007, 11:48 PM
10 Porsche 911 (997) turbo 1:23.55 116.5
11 Porsche 911 (996) GT3 RS 1:23.85 113.4
12 Lamborghini Gallardo 1:23.90 112.4
13 Ferrari F430 1:24.20 112.2
14 Corvette Z06 (C6) 1:24.45 118.1
15 Mitsubishi Evo IX FQ-340 1:24.55 107.3
16 Porsche 911 (997) Carrera S Sport 1:24.60 108.2"
Please note where the C6 (i.e. NOT C5) Z06 is in this list (14th), as compared to the 996 GT3 RS (11th). In plane english, the 996 GT3 RS was clearly faster than the C6 Z06 on Bedford.
OMG, your an idiot!
Z06: 1:24.45
GT3 RS 1:23.85
GT3 RS is.... a whole wooping .60 seconds faster then a Z06 per lap, wow, that is a lot! It's amazing the difference in lap times, simply a staggering defeat over this cheaper, more cheaply built hunk of junk! It is just collosal! I mean, I will never prop the Z06 up again, its just so far down the totum poll, it isn't even worth mentionging! Thankyou for showing the light tforth :)
oh, and there are numerous articles about the C6 Z making 7:42.9 seconds around NS.... just look up C6 Z06 and NS time in the american muscle forum, there are article sposted with the lap times listed.
EDIT:
tforth.
who has ever said that a hi-po car will be exaggerated extra fast on short circuts? whoever told you that is either of these two things:
mentally challenged
stupid
you obviously haven't had any seat time in a bigger track, nor a smaller tighter track, smaller cars excell on smaller tighter tracks, where the hi-po cars can't unwind thier griddles to the maximum. So no, there is no misinterpretation here; just your ignorance as usual :)
RC45 wrote:
Neema702 wrote:
ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.
Yet they are able to lap in the same times.
Huh? Per one of my posts in the other popular thread in this section:
"OK, here you go. The following list is from evo 099 (it's their Bedford Autodrome lap times):
Vehicle lap time Peak
(min:s) (mph)
1 Caterham R500 Evo 1:19.62 117.0
2 Porsche CGT 1:19.70 120.5
3 Caterham CSR 260 1:21.00 112.8
4 Ariel Atom 300 S/C 1:21.85 113.9
5 Caterham CSR 260 S/L 1:21.85 110.7
6 Koenigsegg CCX 1:22.30 120.0
7 Lamborghini Gallardo '06 1:22.80 116.9
8 Mosler MT900 1:23.00 115.7
9 Ascari KZ1 1:23.20 117.8
10 Porsche 911 (997) turbo 1:23.55 116.5
11 Porsche 911 (996) GT3 RS 1:23.85 113.4
12 Lamborghini Gallardo 1:23.90 112.4
13 Ferrari F430 1:24.20 112.2
14 Corvette Z06 (C6) 1:24.45 118.1
15 Mitsubishi Evo IX FQ-340 1:24.55 107.3
16 Porsche 911 (997) Carrera S Sport 1:24.60 108.2"
Please note where the C6 (i.e. NOT C5) Z06 is in this list (14th), as compared to the 996 GT3 RS (11th). In plane english, the 996 GT3 RS was clearly faster than the C6 Z06 on Bedford.
Another point, I'd like to draw your attention to is the comparative trap speeds the Z06 turned, as compared to its nearest timed competitors (i.e. 118.1, vs. 107.3 for the Evo and 112.2 for F430). In fact, you have to go all the way up to the Koenigsegg CCX, in 6th place, which was over 2s faster than it, to find a faster trap speed. What does this point to; the same thing that was highlighted in the Auto Zeitung article which compared it on Hockenheim against the 997 GT3 RS (see neighbouring thread): The C6 Z06 relies on its excellent power/torque/weight ratio to out accelerate its competition into the turns (which it brakes far earlier for) to compensate for its comparatively poor handling characteristics, especially on bumpy surfaces.
What's interesting to me is that according to often quoted (by someone here) NS time of 7:43 (i.e. not 7:42...), the Z06 is apparently 4 s FASTER than the 996 GT3 RS. The irony here is that, according to evo's time on a comparatively (to the NS) short track like Beford (1.8 mi), the 996 GT3 RS is 0.6 s faster. Remember, the Z06 has a power to weight ratio 31.5% better than the 996 GT3 RS! This typically will benefit a car more on short circuits at lower peak speeds. In addition, you would have to think that NS derived 996 GT3 RS had its rear wing, etc. specifically tuned to benefit it at the high corner speeds seen on the Ring.
This all makes me wonder about the credibility of that time. I would really like to see sport auto do its Supertest with Z06, so we could get some agreement on this time.
Furthermore, I'm fairly confident that when evo, or sport auto run the 997 GT3 RS and at Hockenheim, you'll see a different picture than what Auto Zeitung reported. I was very surprised to see that rag compare these two cars in the first place.
Lastly, did anyone notice that the Evo FQ 340 was almost as fast as the Z06, and it's a glorified 4 cylinder family sedan.
What is your point?
The 996 GT3 RS is no the 996 GT3.
The C5 Z06 and 996 GT3 are near performance twins.
Period.
No amount of your utter crap posted here changes that fact.
None.
The cridibility of the C6 Z06 time has been verifird by numerous sources... if you are so confident why dont you pick up the phone and call the driver, program director and witnesses and call them all liars.
Why not put your money where your mouth is? Then get back to us and share the transcripts of the conversations.
The car was also photographed inside and out and the photos were released publicly. The run was also witnessed by engineers from other auto companies whom have vouched for the time.
Again from the above post you seem to have made it your childish mission to "prove" that anything to do with the Z06 performance is false.
What exactly is your malfunction?
nthfinity
01-23-2007, 11:55 PM
Tforth, if you wish to ask the team of engineers who brought us all the Z06, then here is thier address, and phone number
Pratt & Miller Engineering
29600 W. K. Smith Drive
New Hudson, MI 48165
(248)446-9800
tforth
01-23-2007, 11:55 PM
nthfinity wrote:
the 997GT3 RS lapped NS in 7:42, while the C6 Zo6 lapped in 7:42,
Interesting: http://www.answers.com/topic/nordschleife-fastest-lap-times
Note that sport auto turned a 7:38 for the 'standard' GT3. I guess it makes sense that the RS would be 4 s SLOWER. Oh, and according to the same list, the controversial Z06 time is supposedly 7:43 (i.e. not 7:42, or 7:42.9 to be precise, as you were going on about every little bit counts...)
nthfinity
01-23-2007, 11:58 PM
nthfinity wrote:
the 997GT3 RS lapped NS in 7:42, while the C6 Zo6 lapped in 7:42,
Interesting: http://www.answers.com/topic/nordschleife-fastest-lap-times
Note that sport auto turned a 7:38 for the 'standard' GT3. I guess it makes sense that the RS would be 4 s SLOWER. Oh, and according to the same list, the controversial Z06 time is supposedly 7:43 (i.e. not 7:42, or 7:42.9 to be precise, as you were going on about every little bit counts...)
WTF, that is a bunch of incoherant garbage.
the C6Z06 = 7:42.9... is that not a 7:42? mathmatically, there is no misleading here, nor realisitcally.
again posting that "answers.com" garbage, use a reliable source please.
tforth
01-24-2007, 12:31 AM
the C6Z06 = 7:42.9... is that not a 7:42? mathmatically, there is no misleading here, nor realisitcally.
Obviously you didn't do very well in math. What do you have, a B.A.? Let me help you here with a concept called 'rounding numbers'. If you remove one decimal place, you round up, if the decimal number is greater than 0.5, and down if it's less. More specific to this example; in order for the Z06 to have turned a true 7:42, the actual time would have had to have been 7:42.49 or LESS, not 7:42.9.
Man, you have certainly exemplified your level of proficiency here... Keep it up!
It's so funny you know.. it's not like I don't what the 911 and other performance cars can do... I have seen, driven and observed closely many cars - I know exactly which one can do what and where.
I literally learn nothing new from these "intardweb exchanges" and mostly emerge dumber out the otherside... especially having to read the drivel often posted.
All I have ever promoted is that people "Stop posting subjective bullshit just because you hate all Corvettes" - a statement of "in youopinion you don't like it" is fine - but don't go post subjective opinion as if it is fact - because it's not.
Contrary to what some of the losers who visit here promote - I actually do like, respect and enjoy all performance cars.
Witness a small glimpse into my sphere of interest... and I really do like them all... every last one - no matter what make.
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the C6Z06 = 7:42.9... is that not a 7:42? mathmatically, there is no misleading here, nor realisitcally.
Obviously you didn't do very well in math. What do you have, a B.A.? Let me help you here with a concept called 'rounding numbers'. If you remove one decimal place, you round up, if the decimal number is greater than 0.5, and down if it's less. More specific to this example; in order for the Z06 to have turned a true 7:42, the actual time would have had to have been 7:42.49 or LESS, not 7:42.9.
Man, you have certainly exemplified your level of proficiency here... Keep it up!
Amazing - no wyouare attemting to justify your position by trying to imply you are more educated that he is - what a freaking loser.
tforth
01-24-2007, 01:22 AM
RC45 wrote:
Amazing - no wyouare attemting to justify your position by trying to imply you are more educated that he is - what a freaking loser.
What can I say, he made a completely false statement, but yet again acted as though he was an authority:
nthfinity wrote:
the C6Z06 = 7:42.9... is that not a 7:42? mathmatically
RC45 wrote:
Amazing - no wyouare attemting to justify your position by trying to imply you are more educated that he is - what a freaking loser.
What can I say, he made a completely false statement, but yet again acted as though he was an authority:
nthfinity wrote:
the C6Z06 = 7:42.9... is that not a 7:42? mathmatically
Thats your best come back? I childlike "wah wah wah youmade a mistake... "
7:42.9 is 7:42.9.. nothing you can say will change that.
So - lets see how diverse you subjective biased interest is. Obviolsy you must be some kind of gurur and expert and oracle the way you projectile vomit "facts".
There is no way in hell you are a sportscar wnthusiast - you display the typical behaviour of a fanboy.
HeilSvenska
01-24-2007, 01:34 AM
Not this again...
Not this again...
Amazing isn't it this Kanuki can't let anything go.
I bet he drives a 1988 Dodge Caravan and is just really angry at anything related to sportscars and people who enjoy them - so he has these "locker room" arguments instead of just enjoying the cars.
callen
01-24-2007, 01:38 AM
C6 Zo6... great looks, awesome price.. affordable price... practical, reliable, almost 200mph 0-60 in less than 4 on a good day! cant really ask for much more plus RC did say affordable.. no Ferrari 430 or Lambo Gallardo in this category. For me the choice is easy.
callen
01-24-2007, 01:41 AM
btw wasnt this supposed to NOT be a flaming thread and just state what you like and why? :?
Neema702
01-24-2007, 02:05 AM
seriously... lets cut this fighting shit out... and let RC bring out the "used car" question... thats going to be WAY better to discuss... i think more people will post on that one.
btw wasnt this supposed to NOT be a flaming thread and just state what you like and why? :?
That was the original idea.. ;)
C6 Zo6... great looks, awesome price.. affordable price... practical, reliable, almost 200mph 0-60 in less than 4 on a good day! cant really ask for much more plus RC did say affordable.. no Ferrari 430 or Lambo Gallardo in this category. For me the choice is easy.
just a quick note, the Z06's top speed is supposed to be 202 but GM advertises it as 198 for some reason. Perhaps this is to ease the nerves of the buyer's wife.
HeilSvenska
01-24-2007, 02:44 AM
Yeah it's just like how Ford GT's top speed was actually 212mph, but Ford played it down for some reason.
pagani
01-24-2007, 02:24 PM
Ford escort cosworth.
Or corvette z06 the c5 or c6
Or honda s2000 or honda nsx proper sportcars if you aks me.
Buy it and spent the rest of the money on making it faster better handling and top braking and make it lighter.
Al the cars i mentioned must be capable of hard trackday's
:D 8)
nthfinity
01-24-2007, 05:01 PM
the C6Z06 = 7:42.9... is that not a 7:42? mathmatically, there is no misleading here, nor realisitcally.
Obviously you didn't do very well in math. What do you have, a B.A.? Let me help you here with a concept called 'rounding numbers'. If you remove one decimal place, you round up, if the decimal number is greater than 0.5, and down if it's less. More specific to this example; in order for the Z06 to have turned a true 7:42, the actual time would have had to have been 7:42.49 or LESS, not 7:42.9.
Man, you have certainly exemplified your level of proficiency here... Keep it up!
so now we are "rounding" up? I never once claimed i was rounding, simply truncating is also mathamatical truth ;) surely you already knew that as well.
nthfinity
01-24-2007, 05:04 PM
Yeah it's just like how Ford GT's top speed was actually 212mph, but Ford played it down for some reason.
as it turns out, the 2006 Tungston "sometimes press" "sometimes engineering pre-prod" car hit 216.. same car I drove back in June last year.
Hey RC, where does this guy stash his F40 and all those RUF's...? I didn't see them when I stopped by.
They are locked away. ;)
silentm
01-29-2007, 01:37 PM
hmm probably the vette too because of the mass power, though i would prefer something asian like the S2000 :)
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