Ferrari F540?

[LEXION]

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x557/ferrari_f430CS_fw.jpg

A successor for the F430 it is expected to debut around 2010 that will be powered by a 5.4 liter V10 engine with an output around 550-600 hp. The new model will be called F540.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ferrari/ferrari-f430-challenge-stradale-ar16598.html


at the bottom in the article, above the comments :)

[komotar]

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x557/ferrari_f430CS_fw.jpg

A successor for the F430 it is expected to debut around 2010 that will be powered by a 5.4 liter V10 engine with an output around 550-600 hp. The new model will be called F540.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ferrari/ferrari-f430-challenge-stradale-ar16598.html


at the bottom in the article, above the comments :)

why are the 430 stradale drawings here, lol ... and that stuff about the successor is just speculation.... :wink:

and I don't think ferrari will go as high as 600hp or even 550...if we're speculating...

[LEXION]

well, from the same speculation , we filled 3-4 pages about the next Dino, and there isint anything conclusive there either....this is a project that will probably come out in the next 5 years, and I dont think its imposible for Ferrari, I more see them going for the 1000 HP engine in the near future,,,,,

[komotar]

well, from the same speculation , we filled 3-4 pages about the next Dino, and there isint anything conclusive there either....this is a project that will probably come out in the next 5 years, and I dont think its imposible for Ferrari, I more see them going for the 1000 HP engine in the near future,,,,,

When I was talking high HP, I was talking about the successor of the 430...

yes, ferrari might go for the 1000 hp mark, but I hope they will take a look at other options before going to the 1000 HP solution...

and I'm sure the succesor of the enzo still won't have that much HP... or even the next gen...

[LEXION]

Isint the succesor of the Enzo, the FXX?

660 HP --> 800 HP, and better aerodynamics.....

[Mattk]

Well the pictures show a 430 successor, so I think that's the more likely thing. Besides, isn't the FXX some sort of ongoing developmental project?

[davide]

^^
Yeah first things first, where's that Stradale!?

[fsandys]

They will almost certainly up power for the F430 replacement, don't think there's really any doubt about that, and since that is a few years off yet, theres no reason why it wouldn't be 550-600.

As for that story, cobbled together with images for the 430CS and a story we could have made ourselves from speculation. Boring! :roll:

Full of errors too

[cooperluke]

Those are drawings of the f430 and looots of speculation...

[LEXION]

Well, the article is about the Challenge Stradale, so are the pictures, only that line that I quoted says about the future F540, and this speculation could go a long way....

[dons5]

ok that looks almost identical to a 430 so its no F540 or whatever. 2nd noone has any ideas about what an F540 will look like, i mean the 430 has barely been out, It would of been like us knowing what the 430 was gonna look like back in 2001 and just for a time referance that was before the Enzo even came out. If official that is a 430 Challenge Stradale drawing im 99.9999999 percent sure, or just a red 430 Challenge. But i doubt there official pics.

[TopGearNL]

Yep I see a CS in there too, don't think Ferrari will do a V10 to be honest :?

[saadie]

it sucks if you ask me :roll:

[RAM_anderson]

That's a drawing of the new ferrari 430 cs.

[McLaren4eVa]

Well the CS is rumoured to have over 520BHP so 550+ for the 430 successor is easily possible.

[McLaren4eVa]

"For example, for the 360, both Modena and 360 Challenge were powered by a V8 engine with an output of 400 hp and the 360 CS got a more powerful engine: a 325 hp V8."
WOAH that's so much more powerful lol.

[RC45]

Meanwhile, the performance over the years seemed like the cars HP matched the name.. :P

as in 360hp for the F360, 430hp for the F430 - so no doubt the 540 woul dneed 540hp.. just to keep up with the big german sedans :P

[RC45]

Meanwhile, the performance over the years seemed like the cars HP matched the name.. :P

as in 360hp for the F360, 430hp for the F430 - so no doubt the 540 woul dneed 540hp.. just to keep up with the big german sedans :P

I dunno bout the 360, but the F430 actually has 490bhp, not 430, that figure actually refers to the engine size, which is 4.3 liters.

UHm - yeah - I know that.. reading carefully above..

Meanwhile, the performance over the years seemed like the cars HP matched the name.. seems like... appears to.. as in, the cars are s slow, they behave as if they only have "HP that matches the name".. :P

as in 360hp for the F360, 430hp for the F430 - so no doubt the 540 woul dneed 540hp.. just to keep up with the big german sedans :P

[TopGearNL]

no doubt the 540 woul dneed 540hp.. just to keep up with the big german sedans Razz


True! :D

[fsandys]

Can't decide if that is supposed to be funny or true, either way ..... it's not! :sleeping:

[blue8]

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Spied: 2010 Ferrari F430 successor?

The photographers at spy firm Hidden Image have snapped a single shot of a new Ferrari model under wraps near the Italian automaker's Maranello headquarters.

Supposedly a successor to the Ferrari F430, the new car would likely arrive as a 2010 model. Ferrari started offering the F430 as a 2005 model, and the 360 as a 2000, suggesting a five-year lifespan is typical for these vehicles. The Ferrari F355 was also sold for just five years.

According to Hidden Image, the car will feature radical new styling scheme, the new option of all-wheel drive, reduced body weight and improved handling from innovative adaptive suspension damping.

Since F1 racing cars have switched back to V8 power, expect the F430's successor to feature a V8, rather than a V10 to match Lamborghini's Gallardo.

The new car would likely be shown in early 2009. Is the car pictured under wraps the successor to the F430 or something else? You be the judge…

[andreadebi]

I have these info from a friend...
end of 2008 will be new F430 (f149 project name)
5.0 v10 585hp
more harcore tha f430
new chassis
price €185k+local taxes

dino this septermber
coupè-cabriolet
€140k

[yg60m]

600 bhp would put it in direct competition with the F599. And I am not sure that a V10 would replace a V8 as now Formula 1 have V8 engines :?
It would be better to lower the weight by 100-150 kg with a small hike in power.

[andreadebi]

600 bhp would put it in direct competition with the F599. And I am not sure that a V10 would replace a V8 as now Formula 1 have V8 engines :?
It would be better to lower the weight by 100-150 kg with a small hike in power.


well,this new f430 will be not more the ferrari entry model......v10....it needs for the battle hp vs lambo gallardo

[TopGearNL]

So no V10 is what they are saying. Would be interesting to see a V8 keeping up with those V10 engines :)

[blue8]

Wasn't there an AWD Scaglietti? I'm not too sure

[TopGearNL]

^^ I have seen a pics of that car somewhere, maybe it was just a mule? :?

[ice]

Its called insertable AWD. Its a super light and E-diff controlled AWD that has been mentioned and confirmed. It isnt anythign like AWD from porsche, its very passive and does not altogetehr change the behavior of the car, I believe it only adds somewhere around 30-50 kg's.

[blue8]

More info:
http://images5.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070613.002/6070613.002.mini3L.jpg
http://images5.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070613.002/6070613.002.mini2L.jpg
http://images5.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070613.002/6070613.002.mini4L.jpg

According to the spy photographer, he managed to get shots of the fully finalized model! Unfortunately, it is hidden under a red cover spotted from a long distance and he was not able to get a shot with it off. Nevertheless, this image gives evidence that the work is much more advanced than previously thought, and the eagerly awaited new model could debut before the end of 2008.

For some time, it was speculated that Ferrari would opt for a V10 engine in order to match the Lamborghini Gallardo. However, since Formula 1 regulations went back to using V8's, Ferrari decided to stay with the proven configuration for the F430 successor. Some of our sources from within the Ferrari factory have hinted to a supposed 5.4 litres of displacement. However, from an engineering point of view, a more moderate, figure-inverted, 4.5 litres seems much more likely. More interestingly, as a result of the increased engine displacement, Ferrari, through their extensive experience in Formula 1 and track-based Ferrari FXX are planning to raise the maximum rev limit from 9,500 to 10,000 rpm with output in excess of 370 kW / 500 hp.

From these spy photos we can see this prototype has camouflaged lateral air scoops in the side of the front bumper fascia (in front of the front wheels) which alludes to an improved braking system which requires increased cooling capabilities. Also, we can see enlarged and flared lateral air intakes in front of the rear wheels which suggests increased cooling needs of a larger engine. Lastly, a revised and partly camouflaged flow efficient rear skirt and exhaust setup all derived from the Challenge Stradale can be seen.

A radical new styling scheme, the new option of all-wheel drive, reduced body weight and improved handling from innovative adaptive suspension damping will all mark important aspects in bringing Ferrari well ahead in the competition with the Lamborghini Gallardo and Audi R8/RS8. And in this respect, the new Ferrari cannot be released too soon, although the current F430 is still a fantastic car and virtually sold out.

WCF claims that these spyshots are those of the F430 successor but it could perhaps be the CS... I'm also skeptical about a 2008 release...

[chest3r]

^^ I bet that's the Light Pista and not the F430 successor 8)

[TopGearNL]

^^ I bet that's the Light Pista and not the F430 successor 8)

You can be deceived, I mean how many times don't compagnies test new verhicles with current bodies :wink:

[LEXION]

Whats with the F131 Evo in front of the car, on the bumper, in the second pic????

[chest3r]

^^ I bet that's the Light Pista and not the F430 successor 8)

Challenge exhaust setup, Challenge rear grille... this test mule should be the Light Pista, not the F430 replacer :hmm: :?

That's why I said it was the Light Pista. It's exactly the same as the test mules we've seen before.

As for the V10 I think you're right. I wouldn't mind if they would keep a V8 but since the competitors have V10 engines (Gallardo, V10 R8,.... ) and with cars like the new M3 already with V8's it would make sense to put 2 more cylinders on it. As for the power, in theory, it should have something near 600 bhp but that would too close to the 599....

[nejcdolinsek]

On a side note, the F430 "Light Pista" will probably be called the 430 Scuderia...

To my knowledge, Ferrari has no history filing "red herring" United States Trademarks applications. In other words, if they invest in a filing, they intend to use the mark. On May 22nd 2007, Ferrari filed for "430 Scuderia".

Credits to nerd from Ferrarichat.com

Go to: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=ngcno.1.1 and type in "430 scuderia".

[TopGearNL]

Well if thats the truth then I guess it will be called 430 Scuderia, sure sounds nice 8)

[nejcdolinsek]

I prefer Light Pista personally - but 430 Scuderia doesn't sound bad either :wink:

BTW - 430 is just a typo, or has it lost the F in front?

Anyway, I think they should decide something, and stick to it. Just like AMG, or the M beemers... or especially the GT3 saga, they should take Challenge Stradale, or Light Pista or Scuderia... and stick to it in the future, like a sort of trademark of the most hardcore V8 Ferrari :wink:

Yeah, its interesting how Ferrari, for all its traditions, has never had a consistent naming system :?