Advanced Driving Techniques

[astonmartinandy]

Has anybody else here tried to do any of the manoeuvres that you see in the movies/ Top Gear?? The hand-brake turn is the obvious one, but the other day I tried my hand at a reverse flick :D , but then once i actually managed to flick my car round, I found my engine nearly died, even with the clutch down; anybody else tried and found this??

Any ideas for the next trick to try?

[graywolf624]

I really hope your not doing this on the street.

[frodefe]

install need for speed porsche edition - and try to qualify as a factory driver
- the only safe place to practice I guess (or cheapest)

[blah]

THe reverse flick is called a J Turn, its thought to all LAPD patrol officers.

[blah]

lol, if you feel like dealing with alot of shit everysingle day. Sure go right ahead. Also the Sercet Service Teaches J Turns to their agents.

[corvette97]

DONT BE STUPID , you are gonna kill yourself, be caruful

[pimrusis]

Cept could you do it in a Limo Brembo? MUHAHAHA!

[Toronto]

um i think every police man are trained in all these car moves (well at least in canada) they go thru a 1-2week driving course, and the flick is very easy in an stick or auto and never had the engine die on me, parkin lots late at night much fun :D,

o and people in the toronto area, the wounderland parkin lot is sooooooo much fun, powerslides, donuts, 360, races, my and my friends have spent to many hours there

[kiato4]

What kind of car are you driving that it stalled or almost did?

[astonmartinandy]

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I'm tried it with the Alfa 147 GTA. Its a powerful front wheel drive so i thought it would have been perfect. Having said that I think rear whell drive is the only real way to go. Missing the drifting round long roundabouts! (well attempting anyways)

Oh yeah and i might just go up to an officer and ask him to show me how to do it in a car park!! I'm sure he would love that!!

[pimrusis]

It probably died because of a safty device on the transmission which keeps the car from powering itself if it is going the opposite direction the gears would allow. I.E. if you are going in reverse and flick it.

[Vansquish]

I've gotten to the point where I can hold a front drive car (Ford Escape, Focus, Contour/Mondeo, Mazda 6 etc..) in a nice four wheel drift, the J-turn is really easy in them too...though I don't think I would feel comfortable doing it in the Escape on anything other than very wet or snowy road...I also managed to powerslide my friend's Mustang GT for a couple of revolutions (I do mean powerslide as opposed to donuts)...and on a slightly more mundane level, I've taught myself how to heel-and-toe downshift...something that you can do on pretty much any road as long as you're comfortable with it.

[Zonda11]

Wonderland....HAHA. I'll have to go up there one day when its snowing.

[astonmartinandy]

Yeah I have been trying the old "heel n' toe" downshifts, and its great when it works, but do you get problems with the pedals being spaced to far apart so that you really are on the side of the brake pedal?? I had a scary incident where my foot came off the pedal and it was just the accelerator and clutch depressed! :oops:

[zevolv]

I've pretty much mastered powersliding all types of cars (FWD, RWD, AWD) (Manual, Automatic, Padel Shift) I was taught how to Heel and Toe from my dad when I learned manual at like 13.

[graywolf624]

power sliding.. drifts...

Those aren't advanced driving techniques. Those are ways to play with the car.

Driving fast means knowing how not to drift or slide(well exception for sliding on a dirt track).

Sorry sore subject. The scca and their drift competions have me ticked off.

[Vansquish]

Drifting is all well and good...but like you said, it's definetely not the fastest way around a circuit...try it at an autocross sometime, you'll see what I mean hehe...as for pedal spacing, I haven't had too much trouble. There are a couple of different positions you can put your right foot into for heel-and-toe. The first position is with the ball of your foot on the brake and the heel on the accel, the other is with the better part of the foot on the brake and sliding over just far enough so that you can blip the accel with the right side of the foot...unfortunately with the latter position, it is very easy to slip off the brake pedal or miss the accel completely...it only really works in cars with closely-spaced pedals.

[Johns]

im practicin on my sideways :lol: but its hard to get it right unless the ground is wet :D

[blah]

power sliding.. drifts...

Those aren't advanced driving techniques. Those are ways to play with the car.

Driving fast means knowing how not to drift or slide(well exception for sliding on a dirt track).

Sorry sore subject. The scca and their drift competions have me ticked off.

it is because they are trying to appeal to the younger crowd. i personally find drift competitions stupid and useless.

[Vansquish]

I know that drifting and sliding around are just hooliganry...I know that sliding means lost time and poor driving tactics in a race situation. However, I do think that learning the limits of ones car by doing some of this fooling around isn't a bad idea, as long as it is in relatively safe, sanitary conditions. I never do anything when there are other people around, as I fully understand the sort of damage a car can cause, not only to other vehicles and its surroundings, but to the occupants. I think that knowing the limits of ones car is a safety thing above all else, as it certainly helps when the weather is inclement. All the same, I won't support drift competitions or any of their ilk because they really preach bad driving habits...in close proximity to other vehicles and spectators...really idiotic...kind of like GIS1,2,3 etc...

[BADMIHAI]

I'm pretty good with heel-toe shifting. I haven't yet had the opportunity to powerslide or drift or any of that stuff. BTW: drifting was invented by Japanese drivers as a cut-off/blocking manouver, so it may not be the quickest way around a corner, but it won't let the guy behind you pass you.

[gottacatchup]

when i lived in bogota my parents had to learn to do J turns and reverse 180 with a full car to get a liscence

for the street all those things are moronic and should not be attempted although u could try a little heel/toe-ing

[snacky]

REVERSE DONUTS ( on front drive car):

make sure there's nothing with which to collide is present.
turn the steering wheel, rev up the motor, and pop the clutch, continue to depress gas pedal. depending on surface, hand brake may be useful also.

You will destroy your car and pose yourself a danger to yourself and others upon contemplating this move. :D

[Vansquish]

If you really want to mess your FF car up...try "tray-sliding" on dirt...and make sure to chain the trays to the axle so that any roots that happen to stick up catch and rip off the rear wheels.

[snacky]

SLAM SHIFTING:

shifting gears in a manual transmission without touching the clutch. just match RPM with road speed and gear selected. I actually had to do this once when the clutch master cylinder gave out on the bimmer. up is easy, down is harder. if you do it right, it wont ""SLAM", you wont even notice the shift. I practiced this on my dad's pickup, 15 yrs later, that truck STILL doesn't have 1st gear. sorry dad. :roll:

[Vansquish]

In modern cars with synchromesh, if you apply pressure to the gearknob in the direction of an upshift or a downshift, the mechanism will actually begin to match revs and eventually the lever will slot into gear.

[snacky]

In modern cars with synchromesh, if you apply pressure to the gearknob in the direction of an upshift or a downshift, the mechanism will actually begin to match revs and eventually the lever will slot into gear.

theoretically YES, but if the revs aren't matched close enough, you'll still GRIND the shift. it adds wear to the syncros, (also depending on model, not all gears are synched, like reverse?) Do it enough and you'll lose a gear, as I did.

woops. when I wrote lost 1st gear, I meant it wont stay in 1st by itself. it actually has 1st gear. I just have to hold it in.

[Vansquish]

yup, I know hehe...I've lost 2 gears in the process...and it was a prototype vehicle too.

[zevolv]

that sucks I've never experienced a car with messed up gears

[asthenia]

Messed up synchros teach you about how transmissions work. My first car had a busted synchro on 2nd, so if you didn't time the shifts just right you'd hear that awful graunch noise, and the vibrations up your arm would chatter your teeth.

I didn't have the car for long, but I did get the hang of those shifts...

[zevolv]

that's what musclecars from the 60's teach you

[snacky]

ok, there's J-turns, the flick, slam shifting ,and reverse donuts, what else? hummmm

how about the speed up and coast technique? When I can time this perfectly on freeway traffic jams here in LA and not become an irritation to my fellow commuters, I get roughly 20% more ( 36 mpg vs. 30 mpg) fuel milage than regular "gas and brake city driving" on the civic.

[astonmartinandy]

Yeh maybe i should pay a little more attention to the health of my car after all these attempts at imitating Mr. Needell's techniques.. I don't particularly like the idea of "slam-shifting" and then loosing my first gear.

Although, i did hear somewhere that on the Hennessey Viper 800TT, to get the fastest 0-60 times, they used the "cheater" slick tyres and didn't use the clutch at all on changes to save time! (The car was only good for a couple of runs before some serious repair was needed!)

[zevolv]

Reverse 180s are always fun

[twboy1999]

doing donuts and drifting in my rear wheel drive Mazda Van

and doing reverse donut in my honda accord

[astonmartinandy]

I think the key is to do all this is somebody else's car; then you can smoke the tyres - and not worry about the bill, nor the damage! Although may need a very sympathetic friend!! Even better a rental car.. Actually has anybody seen the video of "Rental Car Abuse"?? I think its off www.racingflix.com but not sure, will have to check because it's one hell of a waste of tyres!

[vanquish]

Anyone having fun with 2000kg american car in snow. Loooong smooth slides!!
Very easy to master and quite safe too. I do it daily :lol:

[COFair]

Jeremy has a very good DVD, called No Limits!
In the beginning of this film, he teaches, how to drift,etc... :)
You must see this!!