2007 BMW M5 gets a 6sp Manual

[vexor]

For its 2007 model, BMW has updated the potent M5 sedan with a conventional six-speed manual transmission. The optional transmission comes at no extra cost and is exclusive to the North American market. The previous seven-speed SMG III electro-hydraulic manual unit had been largely criticized by motoring journalists for its jerky gear changes but still remains as standard.

The 500hp 5.0L V10 remains unchanged, with the new gearbox enabling drivers to rev freely to the 8250 rpm redline. Safety and stability programs also remain the same including BMW’s M Dynamic Mode stability system but new options include a Tire Pressure Monitor System and Real Time Traffic Information features added as standard.

BMW has not released any acceleration figures for cars equipped with the new gearbox, but it’s unlikely to improve on the figures of the SMG version. The 0-60mph dash takes just 4.1 seconds while top speed is electronically controlled to 155mph, although the company offers to remove the limiter which sees the car reach in excess of 206mph.
- Mototrauthority.com

[gobs3z]

I find it ironic that the "lazy" americans who only drive autos and build "crappy" handling cars are the only ones getting the more driver oriented version of the M5. I'm accept the manual with open arms, thankyou very much. :)

[TopGearNL]

Good news for the Hardcore fans who dream of ever owning one, the gearbox was the only thing pissing me a bit off :mrgreen:

[TopGearNL]

Why only in America? :( :cry:

Yeah why? :?

Now we gotta import a German car out of America if you want one, how stupid is that? :roll:

[TNT]

hahaha we finally get something better then you all HAHAHAHA!!! :P

[TopGearNL]

Now we'll start importing cars from the States - but made in german... :roll: :?

That means that its made in Germany, shipped to the US and if you want one ship it back to Europe :?

hahaha we finally get something better then you all HAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah but the point is you can't built something better yourself, its still german :P

[ZfrkS62]

i really wish that people would stop groaning about the SMG. It's not a bad transmission at all once you learn you can accelerate smoothly.

BMW has been hesitant about doing the 6 speed because they don't think we know how to shift correctly and that translates into wrecked cars, blown engines, gearboxes and clutches. That's why they have made the SMG the only option until now.

[5vz-fe]

i really wish that people would stop groaning about the SMG. It's not a bad transmission at all once you learn you can accelerate smoothly.

BMW has been hesitant about doing the 6 speed because they don't think we know how to shift correctly and that translates into wrecked cars, blown engines, gearboxes and clutches. That's why they have made the SMG the only option until now.

It's not the problem w/ SMG I think, it's about not having the choice to choose. Yes, that's one intention of BMW, but they also save money when they only have one transmission in the production line, easier QC, and better yet, less warranty claims (regardless of who's fault it is)

[dutchmasterflex]

i really wish that people would stop groaning about the SMG. It's not a bad transmission at all once you learn you can accelerate smoothly.

BMW has been hesitant about doing the 6 speed because they don't think we know how to shift correctly and that translates into wrecked cars, blown engines, gearboxes and clutches. That's why they have made the SMG the only option until now.

It's not the problem w/ SMG I think, it's about not having the choice to choose. Yes, that's one intention of BMW, but they also save money when they only have one transmission in the production line, easier QC, and better yet, less warranty claims (regardless of who's fault it is)

It definitely saves BMW more money to only have one tranmission option.. but we see now money isn't a problem since they are offering it to the US.

I think the reason all of their new M cars are SMG is because it is clearly the best transmission option for the best performance.

Although I will never get tired of a "slower" car with a manual instead of a sequential.

Should be very interesting to see the first tests.. I'm wondering how much of a performance hit the M5 will take with a true manual gearbox.

I still won't believe this option is foreal until I see it ;) Since when did BMW start catering towards the US Market?? They have ALWAYS sent over "weak" versions of their cars just like all of the other manufactures around the world.

[5vz-fe]

Should be very interesting to see the first tests.. I'm wondering how much of a performance hit the M5 will take with a true manual gearbox.

As many as manual F430 :mrgreen: (My Guess < 20%)

[dutchmasterflex]

But don't both transmission options for the F430 both have 6 gears? The M5 with 6-speed manual should have different ratios and what not..

I know the performance between manual and smg won't be monumental, I'm thinking it will be significant.

[5vz-fe]

Oh sorry, I think I mis-read your reply. I thought you are asking how many M5 will be sold in manual.

[gobs3z]

What i understood from about a year ago is that many of the U.S. forums were complaining heavily about not having the option of the manual for the M5. Come on, a company that supposedly has the worlds best driving machine doesn't let you have the feel for the gearbox, kind of contradictory. IMO Ferrari has this problem now too, at least for the F430. Anyways, BMW America listened to the protest and actually came through.

[cooperluke]

Please note something.....


criticized by motoring journalists for its jerky gear changes


It's going manual to the US, not to be more pure, but to be more smooth!!

If you want something Smooth, a 550i or a 540i should be the car to buy... not an M5!!!!

In a few days... there will be a depowered version of the M5 to the US... to be more smooth??? The M5 accelerates too fast, and makes by american smooth butt feel unconfortable?? :D :D :D

Eheh... just joking!

[Svensson]

Come on, a company that supposedly has the worlds best driving machine doesn't let you have the feel for the gearbox, kind of contradictory. IMO Ferrari has this problem now too, at least for the F430.

The F430 is also available with a normal manual gearbox, although it's not a populair option.

[dutchmasterflex]

^ thats because Ferrari shifters are horrible for actually shifting ;) Although they are nice to look at.

Not to mention all of the posers who love the fact the new Ferrari now comes in an "automatic"!

[fireguy]

i just checked this out at the local dealer and the '07 m5 comes standard with 6sp manual and smg is a $2200 cdn option.....although in reality what they have done is reduce the base price from the '06 m5 by $2200....so in a nutshell we north americans can now get a 6spd manual m5 and also at the same time pocket 2 g's! thanks BNA!

[gobs3z]

Why have i never seen a review of a manual one, what the hell!! I just found one on ebay, i think it looks classic with the manual open gate.

[dutchmasterflex]

Why have i never seen a review of a manual one, what the hell!! I just found one on ebay, i think it looks classic with the manual open gate.

Didnt know they existed in the metal yet.. can you post the link or the pictures of the manual M5 that you found on ebay?

[sentra_dude]

^Yeah, I want to see that too, I'm glad they are offering a 6spd! The SMG is cool and all, but you shouldn't be forced to forgo a clutch if you don't want to, I'm all for the 6spd! :D

[coombsie66]

It'll be a lot slower with the manual, and i bet those clutches are expensive to replace, the clutch in the E39 M5 is the weakpoint in the drivetrain, im guessing it still will be in the E60, and a lot harder to drive with the torque characteristics of the V10... I can tell you that sometimes you just wish the E39 was an auto, when your stuck in traffic or just goin along when your tired, yes its great to have the option of the manual for spirited driving, but to me the SMG seems like a nice compromise.
If i had the choice between the two...... I'd have to drive them both first!!! :)

[dutchmasterflex]

If I had the choice.. I'd probably go with the SMG just to keep myself out of trouble and not replace the clutch every month ;)

Although it seems stupid that the M5's computer will not prevent you from doing hard launches at every stop, for most people it's the only way to prevent you from breaking your brand new sports car ;)

[5vz-fe]

^lol, how bad of a manual driver are u dutch??

[Svensson]

Didnt know they existed in the metal yet.. can you post the link or the pictures of the manual M5 that you found on ebay?

I think he was talking about the F430 and not the M5...

[dutchmasterflex]

^lol, how bad of a manual driver are u dutch??


I'm not ;)

The SMG in the M5 has a "launch mode." Basically you floor the pedal, let go of the shifter and the car launches it self with just the right amount of wheel spin. The computer automatically adjusts clutch release and throttle to launch the car from stop perfectly, with out any skills neccessary.

The transmission's software also prevents you from using launch mode over and over again, ultimately blowing the clutch. I don't know how many times it allows you, but I'd imagine it has something to do with the heat of the clutch too.

In the manual 6 speed, you've got nothing stopping you but yourself :lol:

But really though, the manual would definitely be nice, but the engine was meant for the SMG II. And I'd probably use it every day so sitting in traffic would be inevitable.

[Zot09]

i really wish that people would stop groaning about the SMG. It's not a bad transmission at all once you learn you can accelerate

I have to agree with you on SMG. My friends dad has a M5(of course SMG), and I didn't notice any jerkiness, or anything bad at all. Sure, a manual is more driver oriented, but the SMG is not bad at all.

[qt50006]

I have 2006 M5 & after just 2000 k ... the gear is dead ( transmision faller ).
At that time there was 3 cars with the same proplem in the BMW workshop :shock:
:?: :?: :?:

[5vz-fe]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

[gobs3z]

Yeah i was referring to the F430, but does this mean that the M6 will come standard with a manual?

[ViperASR]

Manual for me all the way. Although I'm not sure that in a big car like that you would want a manual transmission, but in my opinion it would be better than the SMG

[5vz-fe]

Same here, don't really care if it's few tenths slower, all it counts is the pleasure while driving. Plus, if you can afford a 100k car, should have no problem affording a few clutches.

[vexor]

but does this mean that the M6 will come standard with a manual?

No word on it yet, but i'd be surprised if it won't come with one later in the year or next year.

[Just_me]

SMG for me

- SMG for the track, launchcontrol, middle-gas sounds when shifting down, able to turn of DSC 100%

- Manual for reliability, no software that can be messed up. DSC can't be turn off 100% (and that sucks, now its so Mercedesish )

Manual gearbox reviews from M5 owners
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=891187#post891187
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=83917

[Ghostbat]

Manual for reliability, no software that can be messed up. DSC can't be turn off 100% (and that sucks, now its so Mercedesish )

Dude for drivers like you and me the way DSC/ESP can be turned off is definetely gonna be enough. Watch the clip from 5th Gear where Tiff drives the CLS55. I doubt that one of us cold control that car with more driftangle.

BTW AMG has hinted that their models will be available with ESP that can be turned off 100% in the not so distant future. Maybe together with their version of the DSG-box.

[Just_me]

Manual for reliability, no software that can be messed up. DSC can't be turn off 100% (and that sucks, now its so Mercedesish )

Dude for drivers like you and me the way DSC/ESP can be turned off is definetely gonna be enough. Watch the clip from 5th Gear where Tiff drives the CLS55. I doubt that one of us cold control that car with more driftangle.

BTW AMG has hinted that their models will be available with ESP that can be turned off 100% in the not so distant future. Maybe together with their version of the DSG-box.

Sorry but Im not a driver like you ;) the point is, BMW M has always been able to turn off 100%, why change it now? Let the guys taking their cars to the track to be able to enjoy their car completly without having any helpaids interfering.

and I dont care what MB will do in the future, I live today and I drive cars of today. So yes , this is so mercedesish. Give me SMG, I can have just as fun with SMG as a manual.

[Ghostbat]

Manual for reliability, no software that can be messed up. DSC can't be turn off 100% (and that sucks, now its so Mercedesish )

Dude for drivers like you and me the way DSC/ESP can be turned off is definetely gonna be enough. Watch the clip from 5th Gear where Tiff drives the CLS55. I doubt that one of us cold control that car with more driftangle.

BTW AMG has hinted that their models will be available with ESP that can be turned off 100% in the not so distant future. Maybe together with their version of the DSG-box.

Sorry but Im not a driver like you ;) the point is, BMW M has always been able to turn off 100%, why change it now? Let the guys taking their cars to the track to be able to enjoy their car completly without having any helpaids interfering.

and I dont care what MB will do in the future, I live today and I drive cars of today. So yes , this is so mercedesish. Give me SMG, I can have just as fun with SMG as a manual.

Yeah but I hope you plan on living in the future too :wink:

I know that you're not a driver like me, not many people are but I hope that you at least are average 8)

Still I agree with you that you should always have the option of turning all driver aids completely off. Especially on drivingmachines like M-cars oand similar.

[Shinigami]

You can already turn off ESP 100% on almost all +2005 AMG's, as well as on some non-AMG vehicles. You just need to know how ;)

[dutchmasterflex]

The electronic aids are definitely good to have in a car with that much power. But I still want the ability to disable all aids, 100%. That is ridiculous that they do not allow that with the manual.

And it looks kinda weird if you ask me..
http://www.kozmanautos.com/e60m53.jpg

[Ghostbat]

The electronic aids are definitely good to have in a car with that much power. But I still want the ability to disable all aids, 100%. That is ridiculous that they do not allow that with the manual.

And it looks kinda weird if you ask me..
http://www.kozmanautos.com/e60m53.jpg

Damn that stick looks really tiny and weak. Maybe it's just the picture.

[dutchmasterflex]

Its pretty much the same shifter you get in any other BMW.. it just looks out of place in the E60 interior.

[5vz-fe]

^I agree, looks like any 550i out there.

[Just_me]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/carltonslr/M5w.jpg

[TopGearNL]

Yeah doesn't look right... :?

But still, if it shifts like a beauty and the clutch is like stepping on a marsmallow I don't think it will give so many problems :wink:

[qt50006]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

[acmarttin]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

[tom333]

Whatever it looks like to you guys,
a manual M5 looks like a S*@&load of fun to me!

[acmarttin]

Whatever it looks like to you guys,
a manual M5 looks like a S*@&load of fun to me!

Agreed

[5vz-fe]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

I'll say the same even if you say you own a beat-up corolla. It's part of forum rules :wink:

[TopGearNL]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

LMAO

Owned definately! 8)

[qt50006]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

LMAO

Owned definately! 8)

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

[ferrarif1fan89]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

LMAO

Owned definately! 8)

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

somebody BAN this idiot! PLEASE!

[ViperASR]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

LMAO

Owned definately! 8)

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

somebody BAN this idiot! PLEASE!


Hey, didn't I tell you guys about MY Enzo, SLR, and SLK 55 with an SLR engine, check youtube, you can see me racing in them. Oh, and my Veyron arrives sometime next year :roll:

[ferrarif1fan89]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

LMAO

Owned definately! 8)

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

somebody BAN this idiot! PLEASE!


Hey, didn't I tell you guys about MY Enzo, SLR, and SLK 55 with an SLR engine, check youtube, you can see me racing in them. Oh, and my Veyron arrives sometime next year :roll:

i have a deathstar on order.

PWND

[tom333]

you guys would love the show 5th gear

[gobs3z]

you guys would love the show 5th gear

I hope you're being sarcastic.

[acmarttin]

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

Well... here at Jabba's World when you make statements like that, unfortunately for you, they need to be backed up. If you've got the car, then use your imagination. I'm sure you can prove it to us :mrgreen:

[tom333]

Seriously though you guys would really enjoy that show.

[DeMoN]

if you look closely, the way you prove you have the said car, is take a picture of it with the car manual over the engine, a JW sign always helps. If you do have those, just M5 and Murci would b the jelousy maker for me lol.

[MIHALS]

I think you will need to provide some proof before using the word "I have" :wink:

Proof !! how ??
Its just an M5 .. not Boeing 777 8)

Because if you can afford an M5, you can afford a digital camera. Walk 20 steps, pull out your key & manual, lay it on the trunk, and *snap*

;)

LMAO

Owned definately! 8)

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

somebody BAN this idiot! PLEASE!


Hey, didn't I tell you guys about MY Enzo, SLR, and SLK 55 with an SLR engine, check youtube, you can see me racing in them. Oh, and my Veyron arrives sometime next year :roll:

i have a deathstar on order.

PWND

stop fighting guys, I have just ordered the subway for going to work in time. nothing special like nobody can afford it, but its a way to go :roll: :mrgreen:

[Jabba]

I think there is a chance this guy could be genuine, he paid for 4 years FT access by bank wire transfer directly from the UAE !

Maybe he would be happy to send me some photos privately of the cars he owns.

[nthfinity]

why do you guys have to be so negative when asking for photos of a JW member's cars?

yeah, when you post a car of yours, we want the manuel, or some costom shot... but i mean, if i were him, I'd be pissed that people are so rude.

It sounds like he has a nice collection of cars running... Zfrk, do M5's over here have the same gearbox failure? or might it be the desert heat?

[ViperASR]

Its not the point to proof if I have the M5 or no & its not your business.
All I want to say is I didn't like the SMG gear & There is TOO many problems.
I can put a picture of my M5 , But how can you be sure if its mine or no??
For your information the M5 is one of my cars .. you will find in my garage 2002 Viper GTS/FE TT ( +1000 HP ) , 2005 lamborghini murcielago , Porsche cayenne turbo, BMW 745il , the LP640 will arrive this month & I dont have to put you ALL the pictures of my Cars.
Note: Check the lambo video .. you will find a Race OF My 2 Cars ( Viper Vs. Lambo )

Sorry, but if you make a statment like why do I have to prove it, then to me that rases the BS flag, but hey, if it is true, then why isnt he cool like Michael and just post a few pics for us crazy car guys?
:bs:


Nth: It might not just be the heat of the destert messing up the trans, remember when top gear tested it the Stig broke it twice. It might just be a delecate tranny

[5vz-fe]

why do you guys have to be so negative when asking for photos of a JW member's cars?


I think it started to roll downhill from the "not your business" part

:lol:

[ARMAN]

The only was to avoid bullshitters is to ask for custom shot, if I would have Viper, M5 etc and wanna talk about it and so I would not have a problem to post a pic as asked without licence plates ofcourse.

On the other side yes its getting too rude sometimes, and btw its not in the rules that you cannot mention your car in a conversation (maybe it can be added so the link can be posted if theres any questions). I remeber few people lost interest in continuing beeing here cause of too rude "Pics or STFU" comments.

Sorry for OT.

[5vz-fe]

This is a good car chat forum without those annoying "What you killed" section where ppl w/ VW GTi BSing about killing a Corvette or STi. And to avoid ppl that constantly living in fantasy land mixing up w/ real car enthuisat IMO custom pics is a pretty good filter for it. We all try our best to be gentle (initially at least :mrgreen:) asking for such pics, but some ppl do take it more offensive than others. I guess this is a small price we are willing to accept to keep reality in check. Just my 2 cents. <Flame Proof Jacket On>

[qt50006]

I think there is a chance this guy could be genuine, he paid for 4 years FT access by bank wire transfer directly from the UAE !

Maybe he would be happy to send me some photos privately of the cars he owns.

Thanks alot Jabba & i will send you some picture's
by the way i am from State Of qatar
Sorry for all of you for the miss understandings.

[5vz-fe]

np.....as long as you understand our original intention, it's all good :wink:

PS looking forward to the pics

[TopGearNL]

I think there is a chance this guy could be genuine, he paid for 4 years FT access by bank wire transfer directly from the UAE !

Maybe he would be happy to send me some photos privately of the cars he owns.

Thanks alot Jabba & i will send you some picture's
by the way i am from State Of qatar
Sorry for all of you for the miss understandings.

NP mate, we will take back everything we said if you are genuine! :D

Also Looking forward to the pics!

[ferrarif1fan89]

no, i really have got a deathstar on order.

http://www.starwarsmodels.com/deathstar.html

[ae86_16v]

The electronic aids are definitely good to have in a car with that much power. But I still want the ability to disable all aids, 100%. That is ridiculous that they do not allow that with the manual.

And it looks kinda weird if you ask me..
http://www.kozmanautos.com/e60m53.jpg

I realized it while driving my M3 today. It is because the center console on the E60 5 Series is too wide. That's why it looks a bit "weird".

[Jabba]

I think there is a chance this guy could be genuine, he paid for 4 years FT access by bank wire transfer directly from the UAE !

Maybe he would be happy to send me some photos privately of the cars he owns.

Thanks alot Jabba & i will send you some picture's
by the way i am from State Of qatar
Sorry for all of you for the miss understandings.

NP mate, we will take back everything we said if you are genuine! :D

Also Looking forward to the pics!

I guess you better start taking everything back then in that case LOL, I had a feeling this guy was genuine.

I guess everyone is different though, and to qt50006 it isnt such a big deal to own the cars that he does, I dont even think he meant to say what he owned, it just kinda came out during the conversation.

Very nice collection you have there qt50006 btw !

http://www.jabbasworld.net/userfiles/jabba/photos/1.jpg
http://www.jabbasworld.net/userfiles/jabba/photos/1(2).jpg
http://www.jabbasworld.net/userfiles/jabba/photos/1(3).jpg
http://www.jabbasworld.net/userfiles/jabba/photos/1(4).jpg
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[DeMoN]

nice cars u got there, and BTW, you mention getting an LP640... will that expand ur collection or will that replace the current Murci you have? U dont feel kind of upset that after you got the Murci the LP640 comes out?

[qt50006]

Thanks Jabba for posting the photos ..
the Lp 640 will replace the old murcielago ..

Its ok Guys .. Its just misunderstanding from the beginning 8)

[ViperASR]

Wow, there were alot of different cars in those pics. Which ones were yours? BTW, love the viper :twisted:

[ZfrkS62]

nth, sorry i didnt' see your post.

I haven't head of any gearbox problems outside of software issues yet. It may have been a prepro-early production bug that was quickly worked out, or it was a friday assembly.

[acmarttin]

Yeah dude, sorry. Thanks for verifying though. It helps quite a bit on this site, as you can see :)