quick poll, do you believe in god? (2 sec vote, yes or no)

[Erez]

not making in into a debate, just a simple poll..
would be interesting to see the percentage at JW...

me personally, I'm the as farthest thing from a believer..

[sameerrao]

No but i believe Michael Schumacher comes real close :)

[nthfinity]

it is easier to think there is no personal responsibility for any action.

[acmarttin]

Such a simple question with so many complex answers :) I don't believe in a God that scrutinizes every single one of my decisions and punishes me personally for my choices. But I do believe that there is a force behind creation that I cannot explain, and I would call that "God".

So...yes :)

[r2r]

I would also be very interested to see these results!!



edit: 2 sec vote, but a lifetime of thought and questions :wink:

[gucom]

yes i do, but im not christian or jewish or whatever religion... its just a personal thing for me

[melahrinaki]

I believe in God! If you don't you soon will but make sure you find out before you die cause then it's too late and you will see what you don't want to see!

[TNT]

not sure....... i am spiritual but i am not sure is i would label my belief as a God.

[SFDMALEX]

make sure you find out before you die cause then it's too late and you will see what you don't want to see!

And what would that be?

[ae86_16v]

My uncle used to say, "There's no athetist in fox holes." He was in WWII, a Chinese American fighting in Europe.

I guess the point that he was trying to say is that it depends on the situation one's been through. For me, I have yet to come across that situation.

I voted "No".

[dutchmasterflex]

I voted yes.. I have some sort of faith because I was brought up a Catholic.. (My parents were born in the Philippines, a country of die hard Catholics) But I rarely to church, and if I do its only to please my parents on holidays..

I don't really believe anything I learned at religion school, but its good as a concept.. kinda like communism.

My belief is that "God" is the force that drives the universe.. the fuel that burns to provide life.

[cooperluke]

Such a simple question with so many complex answers :) I don't believe in a God that scrutinizes every single one of my decisions and punishes me personally for my choices. But I do believe that there is a force behind creation that I cannot explain, and I would call that "God".

So...yes :)

Even though I'm Baptist, I think your opinion is very interesting, because I think that everyone has to admit that there is some kind of GOD. Most people that don't believe in God say that can't believe anything "supernatural". But... everyone has to admit that there is "something strange" in our story...

Everything we know, has a beggining and an end, cars, plants, babes, and even Schummi! :D

But... what if we could fast reverse our planet... when would it be the "begining" ? The Big Bang? And before the Big Bang, what existed?? There would have to be something!!!! Like Lavoisier said.. in nature, nothing is gained, nothing is lost, everything transforms!!

It happened something that we don't understand, and we close our eyes to this fact. And most of us do the same to GOD. We don't understand, so we look the other side.

Opinions?

[nthfinity]

I believe that God is the creator and sustainer of the universe; made man in his image, gave his son so that we may have everlasting lives.

in a nutshell, that is me

[east coast fool]

As a devout Christian, I praise God with every breath I take, and forever thankful that I am saved.

[black_magician]

he/she/it MAY exist. :|

[TopGearNL]

I believe there is something...

[Erez]

see.. already very interesting results..
I'm not here to say you should\shouldn't believe, i think if some has faith great for him, but don't judge others by your believes or try to force anyone to anything..
I think each and every person has the right to live his life as he see fit, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else's rights..

[melahrinaki]

There are alot of things happening in this period of time on earth, but two in particular which cannot be ignored. Good and evil, both powerful. The evil are being summonsed to identify themselves through the personal markings, the tatoos, nose rings, belly rings, all types of piercings! The good don't want these and loath them at all costs! Just think a bit about this statement and you'll reasise the most obvious secret that is right in front of your eyes. The Devil's greateast trick is deception, he wants you to think that he dosen't exist, he wants you to think that God dosen't exsist either cause when that happens guess what? You fall straight into his own hands and we all know what he wants is your souls!
The Devil will also come to people who he thinks have got what it takes to influence the public and convert the naive. He wants your souls! There are alot of very powerful people who know all this and have done the deal. They won't tell you this cause they want you to think they've accomplished it themselves. Sell your soul and he makes you hit the top of your profession! Have you ever wondered how it is that in life being so hard, some people seem to reach these unbelievable and unatainable heights without explanation and have Bugatti's and Ferrari's and others nothing? But obviously not all rich and influential people are bad because there are alot that have money but follow God's way!
But both sides have power! And God's is the strongest!

[racer_f50]

The evil are being summonsed to identify themselves through the personal markings, the tatoos, nose rings, belly rings, all types of piercings! The good don't want these and loath them at all costs!
Dude, it's great that you believe in god and all, but that is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard! Honestly, if you believe that I feel sorry for you.

I've got 3 tattoos and nipple piercings, so that makes me evil? I live my life more purely than 99% of people who use religion as their lifestyle. No drinking, smoking, violence, etc in my life. I live to my own high standards and values, and they include freedom to do whatever the fuck I want to my body.

My tattoo artist is a deeply spiritual & religious person, and no he doesn't' worship Satan :roll:

Do you have any idea of how many hardcore dedicated religious people have tattoos and piercings? Would you really tell them to their face that they're going to hell just because you're convinced what they're doing to their OWN bodies is wrong? Despite their deep faith in God & Jesus and whatever other mythical things they want?

Do you have any fun in life?

[novass]

There are alot of things happening in this period of time on earth, but two in particular which cannot be ignored. Good and evil, both powerful. The evil are being summonsed to identify themselves through the personal markings, the tatoos, nose rings, belly rings, all types of piercings! The good don't want these and loath them at all costs! Just think a bit about this statement and you'll reasise the most obvious secret that is right in front of your eyes. The Devil's greateast trick is deception, he wants you to think that he dosen't exist, he wants you to think that God dosen't exsist either cause when that happens guess what? You fall straight into his own hands and we all know what he wants is your souls!


Wow...just wow. Its like I just got t-boned by a Mack truck hauling stupidity. You sir, are a fucking moron. Your statement doesnt even make sense. Dont get blinded by the shit smeared into your eyes from the mouths of those that have something to gain by your ignorance. You ever think that the devil may be using his tricks of deception to make you hate others that stand out with tattoos and piercings? Ill bet not, because no one has told you to think that yet you mindless drone. Some religions even use tattoos as part of their worship, are they wrong? And BTW, nice rip off of "The Usual Suspects" with the whole "greatest trick the devil ever pulled..." nonsense. Next time try to be more original, k, thanks.

See, idiots like this form the basis for my problem with organized religion thats why I voted no. I voted no in response to man's definition of God. I do believe their is a higher power, but I dont believe that it has a clear name. There are too many religions with different ideals and man in his inherent wisdom have warped what the original message may have been into something that would benefit him in some way.

I dont like the fact that some religious people get so warped in their beliefs that they believe that anyone with a different belief system is wrong and should go to hell.

[acmarttin]

This poll seemed to pull a few folks out of the woodwork!


Wow...just wow. Its like I just got t-boned by a Mack truck hauling stupidity. You sir, are a fucking moron.

And thanks for a good laugh :lol:

[TNT]

Yeah Nova that was great. But honestly until you can have some real proof not just hear say. then i will fully believe what you say. But saying some one is evil just by the wasy they look is just plain stupid. some of the nicest people are the ones you think will hurt you. look at all the murders and creeps, they are your SUV driving soccer parents that are such lovely people.

[Erez]

This poll seemed to pull a few folks out of the woodwork!

yeah..

Wow...just wow. Its like I just got t-boned by a Mack truck hauling stupidity. You sir, are a fucking moron.

And thanks for a good laugh :lol:

:lol: i'll join you...

[gigdy]

I believe in god when i think about my own mortality. I would much rather believe that god and heaven exsits then when i die i just stop being.

[nthfinity]

There are alot of things happening in this period of time on earth, but two in particular which cannot be ignored. Good and evil, both powerful. The evil are being summonsed to identify themselves through the personal markings, the tatoos, nose rings, belly rings, all types of piercings! The good don't want these and loath them at all costs! Just think a bit about this statement and you'll reasise the most obvious secret that is right in front of your eyes. The Devil's greateast trick is deception, he wants you to think that he dosen't exist, he wants you to think that God dosen't exsist either cause when that happens guess what? You fall straight into his own hands and we all know what he wants is your souls!


Wow...just wow. Its like I just got t-boned by a Mack truck hauling stupidity. You sir, are a fucking moron. Your statement doesnt even make sense. Dont get blinded by the shit smeared into your eyes from the mouths of those that have something to gain by your ignorance. You ever think that the devil may be using his tricks of deception to make you hate others that stand out with tattoos and piercings? Ill bet not, because no one has told you to think that yet you mindless drone. Some religions even use tattoos as part of their worship, are they wrong? And BTW, nice rip off of "The Usual Suspects" with the whole "greatest trick the devil ever pulled..." nonsense. Next time try to be more original, k, thanks.

See, idiots like this form the basis for my problem with organized religion thats why I voted no. I voted no in response to man's definition of God. I do believe their is a higher power, but I dont believe that it has a clear name. There are too many religions with different ideals and man in his inherent wisdom have warped what the original message may have been into something that would benefit him in some way.

I dont like the fact that some religious people get so warped in their beliefs that they believe that anyone with a different belief system is wrong and should go to hell.

Why jump on this guy? we've had some wierdo beliefes posted; and this one is widely known... so why attack him?

[novass]

Why jump on this guy? we've had some wierdo beliefes posted; and this one is widely known... so why attack him?

I may not have seen them and I usually dont get involved with these types of arguments because one side will never see the others sides point of view and you end up going around in circles forever continually pissing the other person off more and more.

The reason I dislike his comment, is that I have dealt with it so much before. My brother is covered with tattoos, full sleeves, back, legs, chest yet he goes to church every sunday. Ive had just about everything pierced at one point or another and my ears still are. I used to go to church all the time when I was 10-16 years old, youth groups and regular mass. I have seen this type of behavior from other people, as has my brother and many of my friends, many times over. Sometimes, even by others in our family. That is why I got as pissed as I did. Dont get me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against religion and if it helps you at the end of the day, then more power to you. I just get fed up with people passing judgement upon myself, my friends and my family without knowing so much as our name.

I get your point and yes, this is nothing new, but niether is piercing or tattoos. Maybe I went a little overboard, buts thats how I feel towards the subject. Beliefs like this are what turned me off major religions long ago. There is no justifaction, no proof to these types of "facts" and yet, it is overwhelmingly believed to be the gospel by so many with no real reason other than thats what they were told. IMO its this type of finger pointing, blame placing, greed inspired we have to battle the newest trend to stay popular with today's youth ideals that destroyed any validity religion could have had thousands of years ago.

Like I said before, I do believe that a higher power exists, but I believe it is the inventions of man's imagination that has sullied the reputation of said higher power.

Besides, if tattoos and piercings were truly the work of the devil, its looks like his army is growing ever stronger :wink:
Life magazine estimated in 1936 that 10 million Americans, or approximately 6% of the population had at least one tattoo.

A 2006 a study done by the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology found that 24% of Americans between 18 and 50 are tattooed; that's almost one in four. And the survey showed that about 36% of Americans age 18 to 29 have at least one tattoo!

[rossc83]

Karl Marx got it right

"Religion is the opiate of the people"

In my opinion pre-historic man invented religion to explain the things he could not understand and the human race has suffered from this delusion ever since.

As for fighting wars over religion, its like my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend.

[Erez]

its like my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend.
:lol: great way to put it.. :lol:

[blinkmeat]

Do you believe in god?
Yes
50%
50% [ 25 ]
No
50%
50% [ 25 ]
Total Votes : 50



Interesting results - For me it can neither be proven or unproven so I'm also 50/50

[nthfinity]

novass

I understand that his feelings are extreme, Tattoos are far from the devils work, as piercings aren't either. But, it is just as offensive as somebody saying that I must be stupid to have relegion to begin with.

in this day of so called tollerance by 'progressives'.... i dono, i'll just say that i'm not surprised.

why do I have it... well, some years ago there was a very personal experience and there is no turning back. That makes no opiate for me, that makes no pushing my beliefes on you.

To me, the responce towared this n00b would be more appropriate to ask about the power of forgiveness if a tatoo bound man/woman with piercings are in the church, or convert.

challenge his beliefes within the confines of his beliefes; but to tell him he must be dumb for having faith is not tollerance.

[gucom]

well, nth i get ur point but seriously, if you think some1 is evil because of the way they look instead of because of their actions, thats pretty darn stupid in my opinion... i dont think any1 called him dumb for being religious, only for judging people on totally wrong grounds... but yes,
To me, the responce towared this n00b would be more appropriate to ask about the power of forgiveness if a tatoo bound man/woman with piercings are in the church, or convert.

challenge his beliefes within the confines of his beliefes
this would've been a better, more convincing response

[melahrinaki]

I can see by the responses that most people don't agree with my beliefs. I unfortunatly don't make the rules of this or any other universe I only follow them! When you finaly figure out that what i'm saying is true it will be too late for you. This whole concept is put together by higher powers and is designed in a way as to fool you as quite clearly it does. I'm not an extremist in any way and I love all humans and all races. But believe me when I tell you, soon you will see things that will shock you and I don't give a fuck who you are you will all be judged by the same power! Then you can fucking tell them all about your stupid ideas of life you seem to have formed!

[gucom]

uhm... you just gave not 1 single argument that even came remotely close to cinvincing me in any way that people wearing tattoos or piercings have sold their souls to the devil, which is pretty much what you've been criticised for saying.
By the way does it make a difference if some1's wearing earrings or piercings? Who are you to tell me my sister is evil? (btw fuck the god that's telling me that :) )
The "higher powers" putting together "this whole concept" would be the devil? There are so many bad people without piercings or tattoos, and so many incredibly good people with them, it simply stupefies me to see you actually believe that wether they're wearing 1 makes a difference, instead of the way they treat their fellow human beings and the way they lead their lives. It's kind of the same as with racism, how can any1 truly believe that the way some1 looks defines if he or she is a good person?

[TNT]

well with the defining anyone with, what we will call un-natural markings on there body, as the devil or evil. that is just basically stay any native culture or modern for that matter, with ear rings. that is a form a racism. and that is b/c you are singling out a group of people based on a charactoristic.


melahrinaki what relgion are you? i am interested to read up on a relgion that preaches hatred on people that look different. do you thing that mentally challenged people are the devil b/c they are different? what about someone in a different econ. class? just b/c i wear different clothes that are better or worst then yours am i evil?

[melahrinaki]

I'm a Christian. So tell me then since you seem to know more, how is it that if you go to any church its hard to find a person with a tatoo? Now how about the other end of society like for example a jail, any jail? You can't find a person that dosen't have a tatoo! Why do you think that's the case? Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind? The answer is simple, they all do! If you don't see the signs already then you never will.

[fabro_s]

I'm a Christian. So tell me then since you seem to know more, how is it that if you go to any church its hard to find a person with a tatoo? Now how about the other end of society like for example a jail, any jail? You can't find a person that dosen't have a tatoo! Why do you think that's the case? Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind? The answer is simple, they all do! If you don't see the signs already then you never will.

Look dude, I really understand your point about evil being stronger and stronger everyday, we live right now in a shit hole, wars, terrorism, power, racism, hunger, poverty, sick fucks, drugs, sex freaks etc, but men you are being a really stupid ignorant guy by telling that guys with tattoos are evil people, yeah I know there are so many bad people with tattoos, but that doesnt mean that everyone wearing a tattoo is a bad person, you cant judge a person by his appearance......

[east coast fool]

One of my favorite quotes:

“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”
-Luke 6:37

[Sir_GT]

Yes. I am a proud believer.

[TNT]

ok melahrinaki, but your are forgiven for you sins so why condemn those if they have God in there life. and i of a fair amount of relgious people that hace tattoos and name a girl that doesn't have her ears done. thank your very much. no your are just being SUPER stereotypical and you are the kind of people that give christians bad names. and i say that b/c look at what you are saying if you have a tattoo you are evil. what if i get the cross and angels tattooed on me? i am still evil. what if that is the way i show my support for God and what a better way to do that b/c its going to last forever.

[nthfinity]

I'm a Christian. So tell me then since you seem to know more, how is it that if you go to any church its hard to find a person with a tatoo? Now how about the other end of society like for example a jail, any jail? You can't find a person that dosen't have a tatoo! Why do you think that's the case? Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind? The answer is simple, they all do! If you don't see the signs already then you never will.

Melahrinaki, please tell me where in the Bible we are told that those with tatoos and piercings are bad people? what version of the Bible?

do ear peircings count? Is jewelry something evil, and vein?

what of forgiviness of sins? God is the one judging us in the end; and by the content of our heart; and mind...... not on the content on, or through our skin.

I do not know the day nor hour; nor does any man, nor is it said when in the scripture.

Is alchohol a sign of a immoral, and evil man? Jesus even turned water into wine.

While i feel no need to pierce myself, nor mark myself with tatoos, I have known many better Christians with such things then myself. Do not be so quick to have such a hastey generalization

[novass]

Nthfinity -

Well, I apologize if I offended you as it was not my intention to offend all religious people nor do I harbor malevolent feelings towards those practicing religion.

What I was trying to do though, apparently worked, just toward the wrong person. To make a blanket statement, as he did, classifying a group of people with certain similarties isnt taken well by ANY side of the spectrum EVER. Just as I dont like to be considered evil because of my appearance, religious people dont like to be considered stupid for their beliefs, nor should they.

But as I also said, I have dealt with this before and it gets frustrating and tiring to try to convince those with such strong beliefs that I am not evil simply by inking or piercing my skin. Furthermore, it is damn near impossible to battle an uninteligent statement with an inteligent one.


I'm a Christian. So tell me then since you seem to know more, how is it that if you go to any church its hard to find a person with a tatoo?

Because most people in church are wearing formal clothing that show little skin. I am willing to bet more people than you think have tattoos in church.


Now how about the other end of society like for example a jail, any jail? You can't find a person that dosen't have a tatoo!

How can you even say that? Have you seen every single inmate in every single jail?


Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind? The answer is simple, they all do!

Can you honestly say that with certainty that all pornstars have tattoos? Does your wife have pierced ears? Is she evil?

What about memorial tattoos of lost friends/family? Are those evil? What about religious orientated tattoos? Evil?

Evil is a state of mind and malevolence of character, not a fashion statement.

[melahrinaki]

Well my friends I have told you what you didn't want to hear. Keep all this in mind and soon, very soon you will know exactly what I mean! Don't crucify the messanger, as I don't make the rules! Keep this in the back of you're minds so when you see what it is I'm talking about coming true, you will understand completely!

[Erez]

^ dude.. you sound like a fanatic thats gonna strap a bomb to himself.. seriously.. snap out of it.. believe what you want.. but chill..

[saadie]

wtf is going on :? .. .


just cast your vote GTFO ? :P

[Erez]

yeah.. that was the main idea.. just cast the vote.. but I wont tell anyone not to open a discussion, as I can understand that sometimes you just have to answer someone..

..GTFO? :lol: WTF is that?? :lol: i'm not so hip to the lingo.. :P :lol:

[saadie]

..GTFO? :lol: WTF is that?? :lol: i'm not so hip to the lingo.. :P :lol:

Get The Fuck Out :lol: :oops: :P

[Erez]

Get The Fuck Out :lol: :oops: :P
:lol: i was guessing but wasn't sure.. :P :lol:
you really DO learn a new thing everyday i guess.. :P :lol: :wink:

[sameerrao]

No but i believe Michael Schumacher comes real close :)

LOL! :D

... and Veronica Zemanova! :P

You read my mind - I see we are on the same page. Keep up the good work! :D

[novass]

Well my friends I have told you what you didn't want to hear. Keep all this in mind and soon, very soon you will know exactly what I mean! Don't crucify the messanger, as I don't make the rules! Keep this in the back of you're minds so when you see what it is I'm talking about coming true, you will understand completely!

Not even a single attempt to answer any of my questions and you wonder why I flew off the handle and accused you of having blind faith in regards to tattoos and piercings.

[nthfinity]

Well my friends I have told you what you didn't want to hear. Keep all this in mind and soon, very soon you will know exactly what I mean! Don't crucify the messanger, as I don't make the rules! Keep this in the back of you're minds so when you see what it is I'm talking about coming true, you will understand completely!

Not even a single attempt to answer any of my questions and you wonder why I flew off the handle and accused you of having blind faith in regards to tattoos and piercings.

That part is unfortunate. I think together we asked some legitimate questions in a clear and consise way.

As a born-again believer myself; i am left dumbfounded.

[ZfrkS62]

by "god" i am just going to assume you are trying to personify a higher being, which i do believe there is. However, i don't believe it is a single deity that is controlling our lives, passing judgement on our lives or otherwise fucking with us.

I believe we're free to live our lives the way we want, do to our bodies what we want and arrive at the grave in whatever style we choose. I happen to want to slide in finishing off my beer and proclaiming "Holy fuck, what a ride!" :D Whereas others may want to spend their last moments reading whatever religious literature they may follow.

I don't really care what you believe, just don't try and make me a part of it.

[Erez]

yeah.. i dont mean destiny or what ever.. just a "higher power" if you will.. :wink:

[Mattk]

Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind?

Lots of them don't have tattoos...

I don't believe in God. I wasn't brought up religious and I never saw any appeal in religion. I also do not think there is any good evidence to suggest the existence of God, or any higher being.

[nthfinity]

Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind?

Lots of them don't have tattoos...

I don't believe in God. I wasn't brought up religious and I never saw any appeal in religion. I also do not think there is any good evidence to suggest the existence of God, or any higher being.

so you prefer to think that the universe spontaneously erupted from nothing...

think about it

nothing

it is something unfathomable entirely; even by our most brilliant theroetical physics can't get it... Steven Hawking, Richard Feynman, Albert Einstein... granted, not all of them believe specifically in all one religion; but none will say that there was no creative force behind the universe.

BTW, that is not why I am a christian

[Erez]

yeah.. to be honest yeah.. the fact the best theory at the moment is that the universe came to be spontaneously, if true or not, I dont care.. there is nothing other then life right here and now, there is no plan, the fact is that we are here alone or not, but no one put you here, no one took a rib out of adam to make him a women, and you wont go to "hell" or "heaven" for what ever it is that you do with the little time that you have here.. if you want to believe something else, for what ever reason.. good for you.. if it makes you happy and you feel more fulfilled or whatever.. good for you.. really..
I can't see any "being" having a master plan, or putting us here to do X and Y, but not Z, and then reward us accordingly.. I think its amazing that we are here, and all that needed to happen for the earth to survive and for us to evolve happend.. but its all down to a chance.. we could have just as easily not be here..
and i really believe that people should start, after so long, to be worried about how to make where we are right here and now a better place, and not about can i eat that can i say or do that and who's "god" is right..
I tell you what.. if somehow ( :roll: ) i'm wrong, and there is a "god" and i'll go to hell because i believed in the wrong religion or non at all, or cause i ate this and that or any other idiot reason.. then good.. i rather be in hell then in a place with a god as dumb as that..
the only being that wants whats good for you is you.. and if your lucky your family as well..
the world would be a much better place if just half the energy people spend about doing god's will would go about doing so..
and indeed the world would be a much better place if we could evolve without that stupid "god" step.. just imagine how much blood would have been spared, and how much energy could have gone about making the world a better place.. "god" is evil, and religions are the root of all evil (racism among it..)

sorry if anyone find anything about the above offensive, thats just how i feel and think.. if you disagree.. well.. you may.. and believe what ever you want to.. and as long as it wont effect me in anyway.. i really dont care.. go about you life and fulfill them as you see fit..

[melahrinaki]

Look guy's there's another thing too. All tatoo's are evil but that dosen't make me narrow minded as you all seem to think. I've already decided that when I marry the best thing to do is to have many women other than my wife, because the wife's main job is to be a good mother and a good person! And my sister agree's!

[rossc83]

Look guy's there's another thing too. All tatoo's are evil but that dosen't make me narrow minded as you all seem to think. I've already decided that when I marry the best thing to do is to have many women other than my wife, because the wife's main job is to be a good mother and a good person! And my sister agree's!

errrrr......this guy is pulling your legs, no-one can possibly be that stupid!

[asid631]

quite an intresting topic..
as a muslim living in pakistan i must say i have also thought alot about what erez.
organised religion has been the cause for a lot of evil in this world.... at the moment it happens to be my faith which happens to be going through its darkest period and causing problems... but you know.. if one bothers to really luk into the text of that particular faith .. one finds that ppl hu do claim do be the most religious are in fact the most ignorant...

just above there was melahrinki with his beliefs on tattoo.. and with us.. we have imams goin on about scarves and veils etc..and how one cant be a muslim if he duznt wear it and and all infidels shoult put it on etc.. i belive none of them have read sayings of the prophet when he said that even a poor prostitute hu uses her shoe to take out water from a well and feed a thirsty dog is better than a rich woman hu covers herself up entirely but not give charity.... the point is that the fundamental teaching of humanity and to be a gud person so soo often ignored by zeolots who have made religion into mere collection of rituals...

[Zalabinsky]

I never believed in such thing, as I wasn't brainwashed by my parent's as a kid.
I don't have probs with believers as long as they don't lecture ppl about it.

Here's a funny standup routine about the dubject by George Carlin:
filecabi.net/video/carlin4god.html

[Sir_GT]

Yes. I am a proud believer.

I'm also active in charity...

...and one of my dream goals is to build a children's hospital (would you believe there isn't one in the Philippines?), whether it be my money, or being able to bring together a group of people to do so...

...and I also have a tattoo...

...which makes me a very bad man, according to some people. :roll:

[racer_f50]

Now try any porno website, you tell me how many of these splendid girls don't have a tatoo or piercing of some kind?

Lots of them don't have tattoos...

I don't believe in God. I wasn't brought up religious and I never saw any appeal in religion. I also do not think there is any good evidence to suggest the existence of God, or any higher being.

so you prefer to think that the universe spontaneously erupted from nothing...

think about it

nothing

it is something unfathomable entirely; even by our most brilliant theroetical physics can't get it... Steven Hawking, Richard Feynman, Albert Einstein... granted, not all of them believe specifically in all one religion; but none will say that there was no creative force behind the universe.

BTW, that is not why I am a christian
In all honesty, the idea that there is a god is just as ridiculous as the idea that the universe spontaneously came into being. In both cases, you have to believe that one thing has existed forever. Personally, since the universe actually has proof of existence, I choose that theory rather than thinking some mythical being created everything.

Look guy's there's another thing too. All tatoo's are evil but that dosen't make me narrow minded as you all seem to think. I've already decided that when I marry the best thing to do is to have many women other than my wife, because the wife's main job is to be a good mother and a good person! And my sister agree's!
So...tattoos are evil, but polygamy (and/or cheating on your wife) isn't? You must be mormon :? I think you need to re-evaluate what is really important in life. If your god is so convinced that tattoos are evil, he shouldn't have made our skin so easily stained :wink:

[gucom]

quite an intresting topic..
as a muslim living in pakistan i must say i have also thought alot about what erez.
organised religion has been the cause for a lot of evil in this world.... at the moment it happens to be my faith which happens to be going through its darkest period and causing problems... but you know.. if one bothers to really luk into the text of that particular faith .. one finds that ppl hu do claim do be the most religious are in fact the most ignorant...

just above there was melahrinki with his beliefs on tattoo.. and with us.. we have imams goin on about scarves and veils etc..and how one cant be a muslim if he duznt wear it and and all infidels shoult put it on etc.. i belive none of them have read sayings of the prophet when he said that even a poor prostitute hu uses her shoe to take out water from a well and feed a thirsty dog is better than a rich woman hu covers herself up entirely but not give charity.... the point is that the fundamental teaching of humanity and to be a gud person so soo often ignored by zeolots who have made religion into mere collection of rituals...

now there's a good first post :D thanks
btw you're pretty god at english for a pakistani guy, including the slang :P :lol: :roll:

[SFDMALEX]

Thats another funny thing...


I am not a religious man, however I belive in making good. I give to charity, am I good person when needed (an stuborn, not politicaly correct asshole when needed too)...

I know for a fact that I do more good then most people who go to the 4 churches on my block. :wink:


Many people belive that if they go to a Church a Synagogue or a Mosque they have done their fare share of good. But all they have done is came into an instituin and listen to the preacher preach, and a 90% of them do not even open up their soul. They are there out of this fear of "hell" who think being in this place once a week will save their soul.

[Erez]

Thats another funny thing...

I am not a religious man, however I belive in making good. I give to charity, am I good person when needed (an stuborn, not politicaly correct asshole when needed too)...


I dont think that making good has anything to do with being religious, you can certainly do both.. or just one of the two..
..seems we are very much the same :) I try to be the best person I can.. and every day I see how many people aren't doing so.. everyday I see assholes of all kinds.. and every time I'm amazed at how many are there.. and how can they be like that..
once I was naive enough to think most people aren't so bad, and that people are trying to be good and fair, and kind to each other.. but my faith in people is slowly but surely disappearing.. mainly cause of all sorts of experience i had.. (not that i'm not surprised in a good way from time to time..) I dont believe in karma (no offense to the JW mod ;) ) just at trying to be a better person.. just as corny as it sounds, "be the change you want to see in the world".. smart man he was..
but mostly i had lost any faith in human good.. maybe its just the way all those idiots were brought up.. i dont know.. :|

and interesting results.. 50% 50% so far.. didn't see that coming.. :)

[gucom]

Thats another funny thing...

I am not a religious man, however I belive in making good. I give to charity, am I good person when needed (an stuborn, not politicaly correct asshole when needed too)...


I try to be the best person I can.. and every day I see how many people aren't doing so.. everyday I see assholes of all kinds.. and every time I'm amazed at how many are there.. and how can they be like that..
once I was naive enough to think most people aren't so bad, and that people are trying to be good and fair, and kind to each other.. but my faith in people is slowly but surely disappearing.. (...)
but mostly i had lost any faith in human good.. maybe its just the way all those idiots were brought up.. i dont know.. :|



sad to hear that :( i like to believe in the general good of people, i may be naive for it but i just dont want to have the negative feelings... I like giving people the benefit of doubt for a long time, i feel it pays back in the way i'm being treated... and i have a pretty darn thick skin where it concerns most people, so most people would have to try really hard to hurt me :P
The being (trying to be) a good person and making (trying to make) a positive difference thing has only started for me in the last 2 or 3 years, before that i was living only for myself... i like myself alot better now :)

[nthfinity]

keep in mind, some people arent worth 2c of your time of day, or pitty, or good thoughts.

[Erez]

its not that i let people hurt me or something like that.. thats one thing.. and can see how people hate me, i can be an ass too sometimes too.. and sometimes you just dont like someone.. but its more of seeing how people behave one to another.. watching that and hearing people say the most ignorant racist crap.. stuff like that.. not everyone should get along.. that would never happen.. but not liking someone is one thing.. you can not like who ever you want.. but that doesn't give you the right to behave toward that person in any way you wouldn't want done to you.. and unfortunately i see that way too often.. for example i know this girl, she came here a year and a half ago from India, and I have never seen such a sweet person.. she is by far the nicest person I know.. way too nice for her own good.. and thats not just a saying.. while some people are really nice to her, some take advantage of it.. (mainly its one asshole tho..) and the first time i saw him taking advantage of her kindness\ naiveness i was shocked.. i honestly dont know how people like that can look at themselves at the mirror.. and its not just toward her.. he's just one huge asshole when it comes to anyone\anything.. and there are so many others like him.. where do people get the nerve to behave toward other people like that, and why? i dont know.. but that just make me sick.. he's not doing anything illegal but that doesn't make it right.. right? so does it mean there is nothing to be done? i dont know.. :?
but if he says at the end of the day few prayers, eat this and not that etc.. he goes to "heaven"?... while i was TRYING to be the best person i can, but didn't pray ate what i want or whatever then i go to "hell".. if thats the case.. like i said.. i rather be in hell..
I am surprised from time to time with human kindness.. but thats the human nature i guess we could be as good as we want, and as bad.. unfortunately it seems most people rather not think about it, and just go about they day and "fuck everything, i have a mortgage to pay, and church\synagogue\mosque to go to" (so i wont go to "hell".. you know scary place.. :roll: )

I agree with asid631.. he makes a good point.. about all the people who use religions to get they're agenda done.. while using people that simple doesn't know any better.. or sometimes have a choice.. the whole Muslim terror thing is the fault only of those fanatics that have lost the way of what that is actually written in the Koran.. so much so that for some reason so many fanatics preach against Israel and Judaism, while the Koran says very different things.. and to mix religious issues with very hard political issues.. its a recipe for disaster in a region with so many religious people and so much more so in some of the Arab countries where people grow up with an education system that has too much to do with religion, where there is no democracy, and there for the people are weaker, cause all the power is in the hands of the regimen, and to stay in power they need the people to stay weak (kind of a magic cycle..)... and when you grow up weak, and poor, and with absolute faith (and blind faith is the most dangerous thing in the world..) in what you believe (cause thats all you know..) its very easy to take the 50,000 USD to help your family and strap a bomb to yourself (like so many Palestinians have done..).. the only way out of this mess is with democracy (which is an incredibly hard thing to start.. as its a very weak regimen as the power is in the hands of the people, and its a hard thing for people to get used to..) and education.. and keep "god" out of schools.. after school and at home do what you will..
anyway i forgot where i was going with this.. and its 1:50 AM.. :bah:

[gucom]

lol ofcourse ur right about some people being absolute assholes, but untill im sure of that i give them the benefit of doubt :) and i'd probably give even those assholes another chance, if they're willing to change/make up for whatever they've done...

[Erez]

:) i think its a good idea.. :wink:

[Mattk]

so you prefer to think that the universe spontaneously erupted from nothing...

To be honest, yes. It's a bit less ridiculous than God creating everything. It does have scientific backing, at least.

[r2r]

^^ :lol:

"scientific backing"

Don't you mean "scientific theory"

which is as falls as any other theory out there, becasue it doesn't have any factual way to prove or expalin anything!!!

[SFDMALEX]

^^ :lol:

"scientific backing"

Don't you mean "scientific theory"

which is as falls as any other theory out there, becasue it doesn't have any factual way to prove or expalin anything!!!


Dude what difference does it really make?


Ok so God created the universe.


Now who the fuck creadted God? And the thing that creadted the thing that created God? Catch me drift mate?


Saying God created the universe is not the answer. Because what creadted God and so on?

THERE IS NO ASNWER.


The fact is that we are here. On this earth. Now. And we should make the best of it while we are here. Period.

People need to stop being selfish and hide behind religion or no religion.


People should live life, and live life to its fullest. And living life to its fullest means different things to different people.

I feel good when I make other people happy. So it makes me feel better when I contribute to charity.

It makes other people happy to be a parent children.


Life fucking sucks now. Terrorists and people full of fucking shit! And 80% of those people are "religious", does it make a difference the fact that they label themself a Christian a Jew or a Muslim or an Athiest?

No life still fucking sucks and we need to change that, with religion or without.

[Erez]

^ well said.. 100% with you one every word.. :good:

[r2r]

^^ :lol:

"scientific backing"

Don't you mean "scientific theory"

which is as falls as any other theory out there, becasue it doesn't have any factual way to prove or expalin anything!!!


Dude what difference does it really make?


Ok so God created the universe.


Now who the fuck creadted God? And the thing that creadted the thing that created God? Catch me drift mate?


Saying God created the universe is not the answer. Because what creadted God and so on?

THERE IS NO ASNWER.


The fact is that we are here. On this earth. Now. And we should make the best of it while we are here. Period.

People need to stop being selfish and hide behind religion or no religion.


People should live life, and live life to its fullest. And living life to its fullest means different things to different people.

I feel good when I make other people happy. So it makes me feel better when I contribute to charity.

It makes other people happy to be a parent children.


Life fucking sucks now. Terrorists and people full of fucking shit! And 80% of those people are "religious", does it make a difference the fact that they label themself a Christian a Jew or a Muslim or an Athiest?

No life still fucking sucks and we need to change that, with religion or without.

Ha ha,

it's amazing how you guys jump to conclusions.

Is there anywhere in my post where I mentioned that I think God created everything :?:

If there is please point it out to me, if not...

Please read again what I posted!!!
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Let me help you out,

I said: Any theory "...is as falls as any other theory out there, because it doesn't have any factual way to prove or explain anything!"


You said: "THERE IS NO ASNWER"


Do you see the resemblance :wink:

[acmarttin]

Well, fuck it. Now I'm not getting a tattoo :wink:

[asid631]

one thing...... how many ppl here think religion was invented by manto answer a few unanswered questions considering there isnt a spot on thjs earth where ppl have historically believed in a god.... to be honest the idea that diverse ppl across all believe in some sort of god independently of each other is at least some proof o god.... how come evry1 just startd believing in pretty much the same thjng...???

i personally think that take religion as a bunch of rules it should be taken as a relationship with god and truly try to understand hjs message myself and let others make of itwhrevr suits them...

[melahrinaki]

Good boy acmarttin, don't ever consider a tatoo! Now you will go to heaven!

[cooperluke]

Good boy acmarttin, don't ever consider a tatoo! Now you will go to heaven!

Man... you're very confused.

You have a tattoo, then you go to hell, and you don't have a tattoo, you go to heaven??

Well, I have two options:

1 - You're just some kind of joker trying to make the christians look ridiculous with all things you said, because none of them have biblical basis.

2 - You're nuts... and you should consider psicological help.

Just BTW, do you pratice any kind of religion? Which?

[racer_f50]

Good boy acmarttin, don't ever consider a tatoo! Now you will go to heaven!

Man... you're very confused.

You have a tattoo, then you go to hell, and you don't have a tattoo, you go to heaven??

Well, I have two options:

1 - You're just some kind of joker trying to make the christians look ridiculous with all things you said, because none of them have biblical basis.

2 - You're nuts... and you should consider psicological help.

Just BTW, do you pratice any kind of religion? Which?
He already said he was Christian, but I don't think he mentioned which sub-cult.

Your #1 option there is something I've been considering actually, maybe he's a joke from the admins :lol:

[melahrinaki]

Maybe? hehehehehh

[acmarttin]

Do I still get to go to heaven :?:

[melahrinaki]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeMoN]

voting is prety even huh

[Erez]

yeah.. i had no idea so many people are believers.. results are pretty even.. and nice number of voters too.. 79 so far..
thanks for taking a sec to vote guys.. interesting stuff..

[Sir_GT]

Can I just point something out...

The one book that's common the world's major religions (Judaism, Christianity/Catholicism, and Islam) is the First/Old Testament of the Bible (or Quran, or whatever it's called in it's own respective religion), and the answer is actually right there...

Nowhere in that text did it ever tell man to create a religion (in order) to serve "God".

Nowhere in that text did it tell us to be Jews, Catholics, Christians, or Muslims.

All that shit happened afterwards, when people (man) started writing their own interpretations and versions of the following books (New Testament to Christians/Catholics, etc.)

Needless to say, those who wrote the opposing texts disagreed with the other camp. Hence the following (or religion) was born.

Yet... and this is why men are called sheep... the followers of these religions looked to their "shepherds", instead of actually looking at the source of their shepherds so-called knowledge... which was in fact the First/Old Testament, which actually does not state that we need to be part of a following (Catholicism and Islam have laws that actually say that leaving or doubting the religion is a sin... how fucked up and authoritarian is that?)

There's also one more point...

...all those religions were "born" from the middle east. Notice that the traditional/ancient Japanese religions -greatly- differ in beliefs? What about the tribal ones? Like the native Filipino ones for that matter?

There must be at least a few thousand religions that have come and gone during mankind's stay on Earth... so who are we, (or who are "they") to say that a particular religion is "the one"?

I know I'm going a wee bit off-topic, but seeing as this is the closest amongst the recent threads, I decided to air out my opinions here.

IMO: Religion is the source of all of mankind's evil. Any religion, once it becomes an organized institution, gives birth to prejudice, hatred, indifference, segregation, generalization, greed, authoritarianism, and perversion.

All it takes is a general sweep of history to see that this is all true.

Believe in God, but don't believe in a religion.

People talk about banning things all the time... ban religion. Every single one. Once we have removed that 2000+ year-old dividing wall, we will gradually learn to accept each other for who we are... as equals.

[novass]

Believe in God, but don't believe in a religion.


Exactly my feelings. You make some good points too. The only advantages that I see within some religious gatherings, is the community it develops, which I do think is good...as long as it remains there for the community's benefit and not for some other agenda. Unfortunately, it seems some people take to using religion as a tool or weapon using it as an excuse to start wars.

[nthfinity]

so, at what point is the governments of the world coming into my home, and my mind to see if i have religion?

banning religion isn't the answer; look at what happened in USSR... what is happening in China... etc.

[asid631]

though i agree with sir_gt quite a bit ... i dunt think banning religion would make much difference... true it has caused a lot of problems and it has become nothing more than a symbol .. an identity... but i guess if it is completely removed from society, people will build society or community in slightly other ways... race , nationality, language ... or even other beliefs like communism etc... all of which have blood on their hands.. the tianmen square in china and other offences by china and ussr ... kingdoms attacking others .. colonialism .. though some would argue that the above mentioned is not as much blood as caused be religion .. religion has been the oldest and hence the most abused..

now coming to the point of differnt religions.. well.. at least from islam's perspectives.... it maintains that there were 124,000 prophets sent to humanity from the God..... and that is think is very important that pretty much all religions talk of the one single God that he is omnipotent and all.. and then they say that other religions are wrong... and that there God is wrong.. i dont many ppl realise that religions started in an age where ppl were diffrnt .. cultures were differnt.. they were blessed with differnt things and had differnt problems and all such in completely differnt time periods.. and so slightly diffrent reveletions were sent to differnt ppl... but they all had one thing common.. that God is one... and so.. ppl I guess ppl need to realise that although another religion might be differnt it has to be from the same God and to say that another religion's God is wrong is sum1 other than your own God is like saying that ur God isnt strong enuff in the first place to send prophets to other ppl....

and i agree with Sir_gt completely that God should be emphasised and should be sought than wht religion has become ....