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An argument that some of you might find interesting...
Did God create evil?
A University professor at a well-known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question.
"Did God create everything that exists?"
A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir, he certainly did," the student replied."
The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."
The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.
An other student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"
"Of course," replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, "Professor does cold exist?"
"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"
The other students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-460F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."
The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a world that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
The professor sat down.
The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
Tell me your opinion on this!
nthfinity
10-26-2006, 06:49 PM
Interesting, is this true? This in fact does sound like an einstein-ism...
it is nicely written.
gucom
10-26-2006, 06:51 PM
im not christian but this described pretty well how i feel about things :D thx for it, was this really said by einstein?
I'm not certain that this is in fact Einstein who argued the professor,
but I do know that Einstein was one of only few scientists that believed there is God.
As a side note, I'm on neither side of this argument!
666fast
10-26-2006, 07:36 PM
Well, I don't beleive in any religion, yet I'm not evil. I haven't killed anyone.
racer_f50
10-26-2006, 07:53 PM
a flaw in that reasoning was that the students went from physical phenomenon, which have been proven, to the concept of God, which can never be proven. Anytime people relate physics to God, it's total bullshit. I understand the reasoning behind it, but considering the concept of god parallel to things in the real world is just not right.
That said, I'm an atheist. To me I have never had a reason to believe in a god. I'm happy and live a good life. Perhaps being raised in a catholic family turned me off from religion.
If you are willing to believe that a deity created everything, what created that deity? If you are then willing to believe that this deity simply has existed forever, why not believe the universe (or the energy/matter from which it came) has existed forever?
Minacious
10-26-2006, 08:59 PM
Cute. I bet the Devil throws the better parties. :D
Mattk
10-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Evil is the absence of God? What kind of an argument is that? He has to prove God exists first. And he calls the professor "sir". That's pretty much illegal in my uni - we call them by their first names.
well that makes a good point but, going along with racer_f50, the comparision of the two isn't correct. God is a belief, light and heat are physical, you can change them.
However going along of you need a good to have an evil, is one thing. but to say evil is due to a lack of god in ones life is flawed. there are many ways to live a "good" life and a "bad" yet not do damage in any way to anyone or thing.
Toronto
10-26-2006, 10:22 PM
sounds like a nice story someone prob re-wrote many times till it sounded right :P
spanky
10-26-2006, 10:33 PM
Nicely written story. I wonder if it was from Albert.E also.
thats just fucking idiotic.. sounds like some hillbilly preacher..
"Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart" :roll:
:bs:
I got the point at the start.. but that argument is just dumb..
god.. pff.. you show me god and i'll call you for the idiot that you are...
"god" is nothing more then men's incapability to deal with death, things he can explain, and the hope that this usually crappy ass world is not all that there is..
Cute. I bet the Devil throws the better parties. :D
did you watch the latest south park ep? :lol:
"ferrari cake" :lol:
what is that dumb ass question.. i have been so what?
and what the fuck does this mean? "Einstein not to mention a Jewish man but deeply faithful"
SFDMALEX
10-27-2006, 12:02 AM
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Well how can you not belive in evolution.
People walked this earth since the big bang? The creation? LMAO If you belive that then fuck...just no comment man.
I respect religion and belive that it helps people. Believing in a higher power is a way to get things off our mind that are not capable in this "dimension" so to speak.
I agree with Erez, however if you belive in God then great. If it works for you and makes you a happier person. Fucking awesome!
Anyway dumb argument, because you can argue that religion is the root of all evil.
Pope Alexander :lol: Or the fact that you can summarize all of Western Europes history with Christianity. Fighting stabing and killing each other over religion. The inquistion and all the other wodnerful products of Catholicism. :roll: Fuck you can write more books on the subject then on anything else. :P Middle Ages to Reinassance to modern times. All based on bloodshed over religion. And now we get fucking terrorists who fight in the name of Allah too....aint it just wonderful?
P.S I went to a catholic school, and was baptised orthodox christian, so yea. I can say it. :P
SFDMALEX
10-27-2006, 12:05 AM
and what the fuck does this mean? "Einstein not to mention a Jewish man but deeply faithful"
Yea, I dont understand when to people Jewish = Judaism by default.
I must say I know more Jewish people, Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, Israeli that are non religious then I know religious :P
And I know some Jewish people who are Christians too :P
And he calls the professor "sir". That's pretty much illegal in my uni - we call them by their first names.
illegal?
Toronto
10-27-2006, 12:53 AM
And he calls the professor "sir". That's pretty much illegal in my uni - we call them by their first names.
illegal?
i am telling you, they grow em stupid were he comes from...
fabro_s
10-27-2006, 01:24 AM
So what happens when you die? what the fuck are we doing out here? why life? why the big bang? whats the point of living and working all your life and being a good person?
If there is no God? then what is this? whats the point of having feelings? whats the point of good and evil? we cannot see air, or oxygen but we can feel it and breathe it, thats why we know is right there, so dont bring me your bullshit statement of "If I dont see God I dont believe there is one", this topic doesnt have any sense because we will never have a conclusion, because everyone beilieves in what he whants.....
acmarttin
10-27-2006, 01:42 AM
I dunno...I liked the story, but I looked up Einstein's biography on Wikipedia and according to that particular biography he never attended a "well-known institution of higher learning" in my opinon. From the looks of things he was a pretty poor student in school but taught himself a lot of pretty complicated mathematics.
Didn't want to really enter the meat grinder - but if you want to read it for yourslef go to www.wikipedia.org and look up 'ol Einie.
ae86_16v
10-27-2006, 02:23 AM
"God does not play dice with the Universe." - Albert Einstein
All interesting responses,
One way to think about this though is to consider that God can represent a different thing to everyone, and not necessarily what Christians believe it to be, or any other religion for that matter. For example God can represent a piece of mind that you can have with yourself, or...
When Einstein was asked if he believed in God Einstein replied...
"I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."
Everybody can apply their logic from their personal experience if God does or does not exist,
like Einstein did, because in the end you can't really prove it either way,
because if we had we wouldn't have this argument today.
Minacious
10-27-2006, 04:20 AM
Cute. I bet the Devil throws the better parties. :D
did you watch the latest south park ep? :lol:
"ferrari cake" :lol:
No, but now I need to go watch it.
Oh yeah, as far as I see it religion is a crutch. I do respect others need to walk with that crutch though.
gucom
10-27-2006, 05:33 AM
All interesting responses,
One way to think about this though is to consider that God can represent a different thing to everyone, and not necessarily what Christians believe it to be, or any other religion for that matter. For example God can represent a piece of mind that you can have with yourself, or...
When Einstein was asked if he believed in God Einstein replied...
"I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."
Everybody can apply their logic from their personal experience if God does or does not exist,
like Einstein did, because in the end you can't really prove it either way,
because if we had we wouldn't have this argument today.
very true that... i was raised with the evolutionary theory, i've always liked and trusted science, and i'm not at all sure that god is a "tangible" something that makes things happen, or that has a goal in mind with people... but i'll probably never be sure, i think god, the meaning of life and all those things are different and personal things to every1, i cant possibly say some1's right or wrong (well except if they believe god wants them to kill some1, or placed 1 person above another for whatever reason... :roll: )
Anyway looking forward to see more comments :)
saadie
10-27-2006, 06:10 AM
i got this in a forwarded mail like 4 years ago :lol:
these professors and students who are not involved in religious studies are nobody to to make their own deffinitions and theories.
^^What kind of religious studies are you talking about?
Neither You or I know how much “religious studies” the two people in this arguments had!
Or are you saying that if your not religious you can’t make any valid arguments toward religion?
SFDMALEX
10-27-2006, 09:13 AM
So what happens when you die? what the fuck are we doing out here? why life? why the big bang? whats the point of living and working all your life and being a good person?
If there is no God? then what is this? whats the point of having feelings? whats the point of good and evil? we cannot see air, or oxygen but we can feel it and breathe it, thats why we know is right there, so dont bring me your bullshit statement of "If I dont see God I dont believe there is one", this topic doesnt have any sense because we will never have a conclusion, because everyone beilieves in what he whants.....
Our very need for God is our inability to anwer the questions above.
It is our creation to help us understand all of that.
What is God? Which God are you talking about? Where the ancient Greeks and Romans wrong with their polytheism? Did they all go to hell because they didnt belive in one God?
We wrote all those Gods off and introduced the one and only almighty. And no one is even questioning that fact. So we might aswel write off the current God of Christianity, Islam, Judaism. But no! We need at least one God, because if we dont have one we wont have an answer to "why live?" and humans are just inncapable of living in a world where things cant be answered. The reason why we are the smartest animal is because of that fact. It is in our nature to find out how the world works. And if we cant answer something as basic as "moma why me alive" then whats the point of living. Hence we created God, Gods, Goddesses.
So once again if you choose to live with faith in "God" then all the power to you, I understand why you need that high power "outlet".
However I choose not to.
So why? We will never know, but that doesnt mean that I need to invent and create God or some other supenatural being to fictionaly answer that question. I'm better off not knowing the answer. You are obviously happier believing an abstract solution to the problem.
Religion is essential part of society. We live by it even if we dont follow any particular religion. I was raised on Christian values, and believe that many of them are the "right" way to live life. I was raised that way. I cant not simply write it off, it's a part of me (the Christian values).
But even though religion is a great invention, the act of others impossing it on society has always been the root of all problems. Soceity only became trully civilized when state and religion became seperated and religion became more of a private affair. And it should stay that way. The primanry source of law will always be religion, but thats as far as it should go on a government/state level.
P.S Besides I dont belive in sitting on a cloud for eternity. Would you really want that? Live in the infinity. I think Id go nuts. I want to live a full great life on this planet and when my come times dissapear like nothing happend. I dont belive in the midevil idea of life being a struggle and heaven being the only place to play golf with your buddies. Live your life like its your last day on the planet. Then you will be happy. And what happens after, is what happens after. Cant questions everything that is out there or else you'll turn 80 and remain a sad weak virgin. :wink:
Eisntein is Evil.
His theories helped in great measure to develop the nuclear bomb.
:D
Not exactly,
He was not involved in the development of the nuclear bomb,
what he did was help US start producing it first, by sending letters and asking US to do it before Germans got hold of the idea.
In a way he was put in the position that he couldn’t get out either way, and even though he did regret doing it later, can you imagine what would have happened if Hitler acquired it first!!!
^ and all of us would be driving Audi's, BMW's and Mercs :P
gucom
10-27-2006, 01:18 PM
^^ if you'd thrown in porsches i might've agreed to the deal :P
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