The US Sucks

[StanAE86]

Well, the amount of litigation allowed in the US sucks. By the time my kid gets to school, recess will be standing and stretching and that's it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061020/ts_alt_afp/afplifestyleusschool

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[dutchmasterflex]

First dodgeball, now tag?? what the hell is wrong with these parents..

[nthfinity]

Well, the amount of litigation allowed in the US sucks. By the time my kid gets to school, recess will be standing and stretching and that's it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061020/ts_alt_afp/afplifestyleusschool

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I read that the other day

I mean, its a direct result of the Governator that US schools became phisically active again in the 90's... but i see it becoming lazy once again. I mean, Tag is now an offensive sport? puuuuuhhhhhleeeeeaaase

[StanAE86]

To think, we all used to play stuff like Red Rover Red Rover, where it was the goal to charge at the other kids and try to break through their arm chain...

[novass]

This is freakin stupid. I have noticed this kind of crap happening for a while now. All the old spots I used to ride my skateboard are inundated with these stupid little plastic things to stop kids from having fun in fear that they might get hurt. How are kids gonna know how to get back up if they are never allowed to fall?

My Father is a lawyer and he once had a law suit filed against him because some kid went into the parking garage of his building on a Sunday and got hurt. The parents said it was my Dad's fault, as he was the building manager, to ensure that it was a safe environment. How fucking stupid is that? No one was even there and yet its still their fault that some kid trespassed and got hurt?

We are moving from Generation X to Generation Pansy.

[ae86_16v]

Well, the amount of litigation allowed in the US sucks. By the time my kid gets to school, recess will be standing and stretching and that's it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061020/ts_alt_afp/afplifestyleusschool

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No no, on the stretching, they might pull a muscle and there's another law suit. So the school probably gotta hire a Physical Therapist or something.

You might be able to sneak the "standing" by though.

[novass]

You might be able to sneak the "standing" by though.

I dont know, a strong breeze may come in and blow a leaf onto a child or even make him sway and get dizzy. We cant have that...too unsafe.

[666fast]

LOL

I like how the last paragraph attempts to explain how to play Tag. What, have you been living under a fucking rock?

[Erez]

:? thats just idiotic..

[ZfrkS62]

There are schools that are all together abandoning recess. Which by that logic i have to ask WTF?? You really want a classroom full of kids just sitting around storing up their energy??? What do they think is going to happen after lunch? :roll:

We've moved beyond stupid. This is just ludicris. I should hope that this gets overturned and the kids are allowed to be kids.

Hell. Even in high school they're softening everything up. All the moves i learned in wrestling are practically illegal now. Arm bars, crossfaces and stiff neck double legs are all considered unnesaccary roughness. WTF?! It' WRESTLING!! It's supposed to be rough! :bad-words:

looking at all this lawsuit paranoia makes me wonder why one should bother having kids when they won't be able to act like kids :(

[Mattk]

My Father is a lawyer and he once had a law suit filed against him because some kid went into the parking garage of his building on a Sunday and got hurt. The parents said it was my Dad's fault, as he was the building manager, to ensure that it was a safe environment. How fucking stupid is that? No one was even there and yet its still their fault that some kid trespassed and got hurt?

He still has a duty, but I assume that duty wasn't breached. Trespassers are still owed a duty. It's been that way for a while, at least in Australia.

This is going a bit too far. I understand that schools have a non-delegable duty to care for all students on school property, but how is tag dangerous? How is touch football dangerous? Are people regularly injured in the conduction of such activities? I think not, beyond some grazes if they fall on concrete. More important, has there been a lawsuit won by a parent of a child injured whilst playing such games? Don't think so.

[StanAE86]

LOL

I like how the last paragraph attempts to explain how to play Tag. What, have you been living under a fucking rock?

Haha. I just noticed that...that's hilarious: "Tag, also called "it," "had" and other names, involves one or more players attempting to "tag" others by touching them with their hands, passing on the duty to chase another down and tag them." :lol:

He still has a duty, but I assume that duty wasn't breached. Trespassers are still owed a duty. It's been that way for a while, at least in Australia.

Yeah, that's the case here too. You have the duty not to put things in place that will harm a trespasser (like digging holes in the ground and covering them with leaves. The problem, the way I see it, is that people sue for everything these days. In the end, the defendant usually settles because it's monetarily cheaper...which perpetuates all the lawsuits, because you'll get something out of it. :x

[acmarttin]

Did anybody else here play "King of the Mountain" when they were kids? Or...still do?

[StanAE86]

I didn't...but we did do "Dogpile"...but these days, the guy at the bottom would sue for sure...hahaha

[novass]

He still has a duty, but I assume that duty wasn't breached. Trespassers are still owed a duty. It's been that way for a while, at least in Australia.

Yeah, that's the case here too. You have the duty not to put things in place that will harm a trespasser (like digging holes in the ground and covering them with leaves. The problem, the way I see it, is that people sue for everything these days. In the end, the defendant usually settles because it's monetarily cheaper...which perpetuates all the lawsuits, because you'll get something out of it. :x

I understand that is the law, but this was just a small parking garage. Im not debating the legal issue here, im just saying that I think its wrong and irresponsible of a parent to immediately try to place blame on a seemingly innocent bystander. I used to trespass all the time on a skateboard and often hurt myself, my Father would simply ask, "what did you learn?"

At some point, personnal responsibility has to overcome trespassers rights. Builders shouldnt have to add costly safety features just in case someone decides to break in and misuse the premises either. Personnal responsibility is, I fear, quickly becomming a dying trait.

BTW, my Dad won the suit anyway and didnt have to pay a dime :D

[Mattk]

I believe in personal responsiblity too, like most of the judiciary here. Unlike the New Zealanders, who can claim money from the state through the Accident Compensation Scheme when injured, regardless of culpability.

[StanAE86]

I understand that is the law, but this was just a small parking garage. Im not debating the legal issue here, im just saying that I think its wrong and irresponsible of a parent to immediately try to place blame on a seemingly innocent bystander. I used to trespass all the time on a skateboard and often hurt myself, my Father would simply ask, "what did you learn?"

At some point, personnal responsibility has to overcome trespassers rights. Builders shouldnt have to add costly safety features just in case someone decides to break in and misuse the premises either. Personnal responsibility is, I fear, quickly becomming a dying trait.

BTW, my Dad won the suit anyway and didnt have to pay a dime :D

I agree. The problem I see with the direction our (meaning US) society has gone is the lack of responsibility by individuals and parents and instead, all they see is liability on the part of another. In the US, there really is no such thing as an "accident" anymore. It's always someone's fault and it's always someone else's fault, not your own. Parents that don't supervise their kids, go and sue someone else when their kid gets into trouble. I'm not responsible for your kid. If you don't have time or the desire to take care of your kid, including watching them and teaching them to stay out of trouble, don't have a kid.

I used to get into all kinds of stuff, and the first thing my parents thought, was not, "we should sue that other person because if they didn't X, our son wouldn't have gotten hurt or in trouble." Nowadays it's the total opposite. Once something happens, people are thinking of how the other person can be blamed. It's total bullshit, but I don't know how it could be fixed. A big thing is plaintiff's attorneys need to stop perpetuating frivoulous lawsuits. A kid running in the playground trips on tanbark and the school gets sued for not keeping the playground cleaner. C'mon...are you fukking serious? The lawyer should refuse the case and tell the parents, kids will fall. Now, if the kid fell on exposed rebar, due to construction in the playground that wasn't blocked off, maybe we have something. But these days, it's always something less than that. It's a lot of bullshit.

[sorry...I'll step down from my soapbox now] :D

[Mattk]

A good lawyer would refuse such frivolous cases on the basis that they only way they'd get any money is if they publicly embarassed the defendant enough to force a favourable settlement. A lot of these settlements derive from actions which would never have succeeded in court.

[Feffman]

I'm suprised they haven't come up with some politically correct name for Tag because it insults someone's sensitivity.

Just wait Jesse Jackson, Nancy Pilozzi (sp?) and Hillary will get in on this soon enough.

Feff

[Fleischmann]

That's plain retarded, ANY form of physical activity carries some risk of getting injured wethear it is boxing or golf. Soon more and more types of sports will be banned for nanny reasons. If the government wants the youth to be a bunch of weaklings then they are heading in the right direction.

[Feffman]

I'm by no means old. In fact my wife often says I act like a kid. That being said, kids today spend way too much time on the computer, TV, etc. They need to be outside getting dirty, playing with worms, spalhign in puddles, etc.

The media has most parents (my wife included) so worried their children are bound to be stolen by some monster, kids are rarely out of their parents sight.

Heard a DJ on the radio (sadly) exclaim, "We are the last generation that will jump on our bikes and disappear all day!" SIGH!

Feff

[5vz-fe]

This is a car enthuiast forum, and you have to go outside and drive to be an enthuiast. :wink: Kids stays infront of the computer because that give them the biggest virtual freedom at their age. If they have a car, I am sure they will go camping / road trips. Each generation is different, and can't be compared exactly the same way. Just relax, you worry too much. The cases we see on TV are extreme cases and majority of kids are still growing up normally. BTW, your argument don't bound just in US, it should be any developed country.

[black_magician]

Homeschooling for Dummies. :wink:

[blinkmeat]

To think, we all used to play stuff like Red Rover Red Rover, where it was the goal to charge at the other kids and try to break through their arm chain...

First of all hahaha @ stnading and stretching


As for red rover, fuck that, we played "Hurt him, ninja snowball, hockey (actual fighting) and what was called "red-ass" which was like wallball except the kid had to go up against the wall and everyone got to throw the game ball ast his ass, which actually meant you're back and it fucking hurt with a lacross ball.

Not only that - but we use to ride our bikes with no helmuts, imagine :roll:

When I have a kid - I want him or her to be physical. It's character builing and safer for them I think.

[Sir_GT]

Har har... and to think, over here, if a kid is being a wanker, the parents are allowed to give them a proper slap across the face.

Pain = it's there for a reason.

[Mattk]

^With my 13 hours of class each week, I don't think any recess periods are necessary.

Teachers used to get us to play dodgeball. It was fun. Back in Year 2, we played tag, but instead of tagging, we tackled each other. It was banned after awhile, despite zero injuries.

[gofetch06]

Thats sad. Really sad. Kids are just going to get fatter and fatter in the US. Its already an epidemic which makes me embarrassed for my country that we are in such poor health.

[Mattk]

Hey, I only just finished my first year. I'll probably have more in years to come. However, I'll forever treasure my Fridays off. :twisted:

PE classes need to be more fun, and compulsory.

[graywolf624]

I'm taking 18 hours of business classes, 3 of which are honors. I for one would love a recess period where I could just chill for about an hour everyday
You both should do yourselves a favor and never go back to school after working in the real world, plus enjoy your time off.. My worst semester so far was 60 hrs a week of work plus 12 hrs of school.... I am certainly not the extreme, just imagine doing that with kids.. (yipes)

[Nick6]

I think in some parts of the country recess is already banned. :roll:

[jenkF1]

This is an example of the U.S gone mad. With kids getting fatter and fatter thats all you need!

We had a game i used to play here in the UK called bulldog- kids would run from one side of the playground to the other without being caught by the kids in the middle who would usually rugby tackle there helpless oponent onto the concrete floor. So I can see the powers that be's point on that one...but tag?!??!