Nissan skyline r34 gtr driting at formula d in seattle

[pagani]

Amazing drifting from the singal auto r34 gtr.
Seigo Yamamoto vs. Okubo - Signal R34 vs. JZX100 700hp End Drift Crash! - YouTube
:D :o :shock:

[RC45]

exactly how is that crap a sport?

there is no race, there is no challange - it is simply 2 cars swerving down the road.

:roll:

[TopGearNL]

Stupid sport, if you do it for fun ok bit it isn't motorsport :roll:

[dutchmasterflex]

exactly how is that crap a sport?

there is no race, there is no challange - it is simply 2 cars swerving down the road.

:roll:


I wouldnt neccessarily say there is no challenge in drifting a whole course like that..
Show me a video of you doing a "simple" drift like that..

But yea, I wouldn't exactly call it a sport.. its like figure ice skating based on judges grading the performance.

[TNT]

yeah it does take skill to keep a drift up like that but sport mmmmmmmmmm not to sure. but great entertainment if you ask me.

DMF got it right its a style and judge based grading system.

[pagani]

It's a extreme sport not your normal motorsport just because it's not about the faster driver on track will not say thats it's not a sport.
You need a very high skill level to do this.
I like drifting but only the profesional series.
A litte street drifting it also cool.
Everyone kown that drifting will become very big just get used to it.
:D :o

[5vz-fe]

It's a sport............and......the master minds behind are the tire manufactures LOL

[pagani]

It's a sport............and......the master minds behind are the tire manufactures LOL
At least you say it's a sport
You forgot the afmarket company's and company's like ford crysler/dodge gm.



exactly how is that crap a sport?

there is no race, there is no challange - it is simply 2 cars swerving down the road.

:roll:
If it's such a crap then why is mopar sponsering a driver and he drifts whit dodge viper competion coupe.
Why is rhys millen is drifting a pontiac gto.
Not i sign of a crap sport i schould say.
:D :o

[caneswell]

there is no challange

Haha! From the person that tried to do it once and span?!?

[pagani]

Remember than the famous racing driver/ tv presenter tiff needell tried it and he found it very hard to do.
Drifting takes allot of driving skill to do it right very hard for a normal racing drive to do i think a rally driver would much better because of the more sideways driving style you see in rallying.
:D :o

[TopGearNL]

Remember than the famous racing driver/ tv presenter tiff needell tried it and he found it very hard to do.
Drifting takes allot of driving skill to do it right very hard for a normal racing drive to do i think a rally driver would much better because of the more sideways driving style you see in rallying.
:D :o

I think RC and myself are on the same line here..

It does take a certain skill to do it, I will admit that.

We are just saying that it isn't a sport, it may be recognized as a sport but hey Curling is a Olympic sport and I compare it with that, boring and no challenge!

I like drifing myself, but I would only use it to entertain myself and have fun. The only form of sport where drifting pays of is in Rallysport, now there's a challenge! Not on a track..

[RC45]

If it's such a crap then why is mopar sponsering a driver and he drifts whit dodge viper competion coupe.
Why is rhys millen is drifting a pontiac gto.
Not i sign of a crap sport i schould say.
:D :o

That is simply a sign that enough fucking idiots pay to watch these people spinning their tyres.

That is not a sign ity is a"great sport' - just a sign that the corporations have found a way to cash in on you fools that pay to wathc this crap.

Thats all.

Rhys Millen participating simply proves anyone can do it.


I wouldnt neccessarily say there is no challenge in drifting a whole course like that..
Show me a video of you doing a "simple" drift like that..


There is no challange - period.

It is crap.

Pewriod.

Anyone with half a brain and 2 arms and legs and a steering wherel in a acar and enough free tyres and practice time can do that.

Period.

It is just finding some sponsor stupid enough to throw the money at you while they get a promotor to sell the "excitemtn" so enough retarded twats buy tickets to fillt he stadium to wathc this drivel so they can make enough money to sjustify paying you for sliding aorund corners.

It is not hard - it is easy. Not only have the drivers practiced to do this, but their cars are specifically setup and modified to support and encourage and allow crazy slip angles.

Drifting is a piss easy and stupid.

Period.

No, I have no videos of me tearing up my car "proving" I can drift... pay for the learing curve and within a month I guarantee you I will be able to hang with "Drift Kings" on any road in any car.

Period.

This is a stupid "sport' and is an insult to any motorsports fans that appreciate "real driving"

:roll:

:) :P

there is no challange

Haha! From the person that tried to do it once and span?!?

Uhm - no.. on the contrary, my car actually "drifts" pretty well without "spanning" - but I don't feel like practicing on the public roads and earing up my own car to prove how simple this stupid "sport" is.

Pay me to do it and I will - any half competant driver understands the dynamics of the slide and or drift, and with enough practice in particular chassis will be able to master the technique quite easily.

:)

Its a stupid "sport".

:)

[pagani]

It's not a motorsport it's a extreme sport.
Still a sport to me regardless of what people say
Just because this not a timed sport does no mean that is not a real sport.
Rys millen is a good driver not everybody can drift.
It's a sport not a 'sport'.
Atleast this is the most fun way round a racetrack.
:D :o

[RC45]

It's not a motorsport it's a extreme sport.

What exactly is "extreme" about it?

It's extreme because the cars have special low grip tyres?

It's extreme because the cars are specially setup to slide?

It's extreme because it makses smoke and noise?


Still a sport to me regardless of what people say

OK - so it's a sport - please publish a link to the "Rules" so we can all have a look - afgterall, if it is sport, it must have concrete and specifric and enforcable rules :P


Just because this not a timed sport does no mean that is not a real sport.

Oh - yeah - like Cheerleading and Interpretive Dance and Water Aerobics are aporta too :P


Rys millen is a good driver not everybody can drift.

He is no better than any other driver with trainging/practice and exposure.

You get me a month paid training and I will beat Rice Millen - Guaranteed.


It's a sport not a 'sport'.

It's a "sport" not a sport :P


Atleast this is the most fun way round a racetrack not the boring normal way.
:D :o
Hhmm.. so the fastest way is less exciting?

Wow - this is the final nail in the coffin of your own argument.

Because if the "Drift" events were actualy timed runs then you might have some excitment - might.

Driving up to a corner slowly and hanging the tail out is EASY and anyone CAN do it. ;)

It's lapping at record pace and doing it that will take real skill - but then again, all the real drivers in the world know that the fastest way around a race track not sideways ;)

[pagani]

Their was times whan the fastest way round the racetrack was sideways
Here are the rules.
http://driftlive.com/fd_docs/06_fd_rulebook_draft_version_6_181.pdf
And the normal way is the fastest bud sideways is more fun but sideways is not the normal way round a track
Most racing drivers learn to cancel out any huge oversteer because that makes faster laptimes but thats not the most run way round a track.
Their run not that slow when drifting ever seen high speed drifting.
http://www.motorsportscom.info/movie/as2006_pv_ridox.wmv

[RC45]

Their run not that slow when drifting ever seen high speed drifting.
:D :o

You ever seen the same tracks run without sliding?

Sliding a turn at 50mph may seem fast, but the same corner with grip could eb as high as 80 or 90mph.

It's a dumb sport.

And after a month of practice I will woop and "Drift King" you care to clal up.

:)

I am ready for the challenge - sent a PM when you have the sponsorhsip sorted out ;)

[nthfinity]

LMFAO!

grip driving..... think about it.... faster, more fun, and actual sport

give me a race with 10 cars on the grid all "having" to go sideways for 30 laps, and pit stops etc. with the fastest man on the track winning

oh, wait.... that wont happen.

drifting is dumb, and slow

rally.... do they drift?
in tight 300+ degree hairpins, yes, as the steering lock wont let them grip drive it quickly
on dirt?
different physical properties to asphalt, where digging in the dirt provides the most traction.

apples and ghram crackers mate.

the grip driver will win every time in every condition

[pagani]

I can slide my mountainbike a bit
Us is to far away for me when day maby.
First i have to get my drivers lincene i am starting soon whit driving lessons may one day in the future when can afford a decent car.
Some of the japanese drivers do both grip driving and drifting.
And some of those drift cars could be very fast track cars whit a couple of tweaks in the suspension department.
:D :o

[TopGearNL]

I would like to see a Lotus Exige race around that track against that R34, mm I wonder who would win? :P

[pagani]

Normal grip driving??
A well tuned skyline can be pretty fast round a racetrack
I think it will be close.
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=2940695528051075022
Here is a movie of the car.
It's a pretty serious car the engine is good for 500+hp so it schould have good engine reponse most decent track skyline have 500 to 800 hp.
And are running proper suspension and brake setup.
:D :o

[TopGearNL]

Normal grip driving??
A well tuned skyline can be pretty fast round a racetrack
I think it will be close.
:D :o

Well the skyline might be fast but its a drifters car, drift setup and with a drifter in it :wink:

[dutchmasterflex]

No shit drifting is slower. Everyone who has the basic understanding of physics should know that.. But to be fast you must slide the car to rotate it quick in the corners.

And if you practice anything (even "grip" driving) you will become better at it, its simple as that. Chances are you wont be the next Schumacher or "Drift King" but you will be able to do it.

I'm going to stick by my story and say that it is not as easy as it looks.

[5vz-fe]

The best analogy for drifting I can think of is Dunk Contest. In a dunk contest, it's really not about scoring.....it's about getting the ball in in the most fancy way. It is without doubt nice to watch, but pointless in a basketball game point of view. However, in an actual game, some dunks are crucial, as much as drifting in a race. But the point is, the tail out and counter steer will be minimal, and the spin and ball thru and under the legs are cut out.

Just my 2 cents........I love to see the tail of a car slide out...but I also enjoy the ideal line of a F1 car around the track. As for track days, I prefer the later, cause it will probably have a higher chance for my car to return home safely. :mrgreen:

[nthfinity]

refer to this 10 page thread about how stupid drifting is

:arrow: http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5710&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

[PaulGT2164]

the pro drifters are very very skilled. if you look at most of thier resumes, several have won multiple series or events in wheel to wheel racing. i imagine they drift just to have some fun and entertain.

and for the people who say its easy, why dont you take your car to a track day or something, and have someone take some video of you slinging your car through a corners at a high rate of speed, inches from the wall, and stay in total control throughout the entire corner. then i might agree, but till then, it takes alot of skill.

seems like everytime someone posts a video or topic of something related to drift, the thread gets filled up with the same people bashing it.

and as for rhys millen goes, considering the guy has consistantly won or placed highly in numerous rally events, drift events, and set multiple pikes peak records over his career (which spans over 10 years as a pro driver) i dont think this "proves" its easy, because he is a better driver than most, if not all, of us.

is drifting a sport? i dont know. I enjoy watching it, and i respect the talent of the drivers, and i respect the performance and capabilites of the car. its good entertainment, kinda like reading some of the posts on this thread, and the lengths some people will go just to convey their already well known dislike for something, and it still entertains me that these people take all the time to read and post about something they have no interest in.

[5vz-fe]

Drifting was never stupid.....it's about entertaining urself in a different way in a car. Why do u f**k your gf in all different kinda positions when missionary will get u the ends? There are things in life that don't require effiency :mrgreen:

[RC45]

and for the people who say its easy, why dont you take your car to a track day or something, and have someone take some video of you slinging your car through a corners at a high rate of speed, inches from the wall, and stay in total control throughout the entire corner. then i might agree, but till then, it takes alot of skill.

Since I am "some people" - again - give me YOUR car or a sponsored car and 30 days and I guarantee you I will be able to place at national Drifting Events.

For anyone with a modicum of driving aptitude it is no different to learning open wheel racing, rally racing or endurance racing.

Track exposure, experience and the ability to practice and push the limits without worry of cost or consequence is all thats needed..

and yes 30 days is all it would take - and considering you couldn't beat Schumi after 30 days training that might indicate "drifting " is the easiest motor sport there is ;)


seems like everytime someone posts a video or topic of something related to drift, the thread gets filled up with the same people bashing it.

Thats because it deserves bashing - its stupid. :P



and as for rhys millen goes, considering the guy has consistantly won or placed highly in numerous rally events, drift events, and set multiple pikes peak records over his career (which spans over 10 years as a pro driver) i dont think this "proves" its easy, because he is a better driver than most, if not all, of us.

Sure - he has had "10 years" so he better be "gooder" than the rest of "us" :P

But again - the "drifting" shit, doesn't tap into his 10 years experience as much as a run up Pike's Peak does.. :P

30 days... thats all it would take ;)


is drifting a sport? i dont know. I enjoy watching it, and i respect the talent of the drivers, and i respect the performance and capabilites of the car. its good entertainment, kinda like reading some of the posts on this thread, and the lengths some people will go just to convey their already well known dislike for something, and it still entertains me that these people take all the time to read and post about something they have no interest in.
Much like people who take the time to read and respond to the very posts that take the time to respond to the posts about not liking stuff.

:)

[pagani]

Drifting is what pro drives do in their spare time.
Even dutch racing star tom cornonel do's some drifting.
Drifting is about show and fun not about taptimes.
Maby rc45 can be the pro drifting instructor and he can learn you drifting in 30 day course.
:D :o

[RC45]

Drifting is what pro drives do in their spare time.
Even dutch racing star tom cornonel do's some drifting.
Drifting is about show and fun not about taptimes.
:D :o
Exactly - in other words ANYONE can do it giving the access to cars and tyres to trash :P ;)

[pagani]

I think you need some skill to be good at drifting.
Maby a racing series whit sideways driving only would be cool.
And the name would be driftracing.
If it was my own car than also would be track driving for don't want to spend all my money on new tires all the time.
:D :o

[dutchmasterflex]

Exactly - in other words ANYONE can do it giving the access to cars and tyres to trash :P ;)


Its not hard to drive or race a car. If you have the money, you can be a professional racer. That's the world of motorsport we live in today. As long as you got a few million in your pocket you can become a pro. It's as simple as that.

[pagani]

I would like to see a Lotus Exige race around that track against that R34, mm I wonder who would win? :P
If was drift spec skyline than the lotus would win.
And if it's was a proper trackspec gtr than the win would go to the gtr.

Its not hard to drive or race a car. If you have the money, you can be a professional racer. That's the world of motorsport we live in today. As long as you got a few million in your pocket you can become a pro. It's as simple as that.

Why is professional racing so easy these days?
I still think you need much skill to be a good racingdriver and ofcourse money am i wrong or right??
:D :o

[nthfinity]

Exactly - in other words ANYONE can do it giving the access to cars and tyres to trash :P ;)


Its not hard to drive or race a car. If you have the money, you can be a professional racer. That's the world of motorsport we live in today. As long as you got a few million in your pocket you can become a pro. It's as simple as that.

this is true.... however, there is a massive exception in that rule

Stefan Erikson, the legendary Enzo crash master, and theif; he had "millions" and even raced at Le Mans... took the time to get his licenses, learn teh tracks etc.

Alain de Cadenet, the host of Victory by Design, and former pro racing driver... he had Millions at his disposal through income he did not earn (trust fund baby) .... he is the ultimate example of having nothing but time to devote to becoming "better" at the sport without the extra 10% of raw talent.
In 1976 he came third overall at Le Mans, which made his mark – and in 1980, won two rounds of the World Sports Car Championship (Monza 1000k and Silverstone 6-Hours). At that time, this was considered a major achievement in an era of increasing professionalism, when it was unheard of for a self-funded privateer to take-on the ‘big boys’ and win.
this paints a "positive" outlook on his racing career, but doesn't take into account all the times he didn't win, or place in the points etc.

and ultimately, between these two guys, there are tons of variation between it... and 99% of them will never have that 10% of raw talent... the gentleman racer with nothing but time and money to devote to the sport wont be able to beat Sebastian Loeb, Michael Schumacher, Valentino Rossi, Hans Stuk, Jacky Ickx, Stephan Bellof etc.

But.... give anybody a month in a car setup for drift, and the tires to burn, and they will in fact be entirely competitive against those "racing drivers" who are just having fun

drifting is stupid

[pagani]

oke drifting is pointless but a it makes a cool tv sport and the chicks dig it.
You cant dis agree whit that.
:D :o