M5board.com presents: Z06 vs M6 and Gallardo vs M6

[Just_me]

m6board.com presents: BMW M6 vs Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - YouTube

M6BOARD.com presents: BMW M6 vs Lamborghini Gallardo - YouTube


My thread with pics and more videos are here

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43379

[davide]

That Gallardo got beat by the M6, impressive!

[Just_me]

That Gallardo got beat by the M6, impressive!

The Gallardo lost most of the races that day and the owner didnt like it. He said he would sell the car the next day :lol:

[TopGearNL]

LOL might have been the owner, not the car that was shabby :wink:

[gangajas]

That Gallardo got beat by the M6, impressive!

The Gallardo lost most of the races that day and the owner didnt like it. He said he would sell the car the next day :lol:

The M6 is faster than the Gallardo only in straight line. They should have gone to a track:

http://i10.tinypic.com/4cvj29j.jpg

[Just_me]

That Gallardo got beat by the M6, impressive!

The Gallardo lost most of the races that day and the owner didnt like it. He said he would sell the car the next day :lol:

The M6 is faster than the Gallardo only in straight line. They should have gone to a track:


This isnt a trackevent, its a straightline event

[Just_me]

LOL might have been the owner, not the car that was shabby :wink:

no the Gallardo isnt a rocket in high speeds thank to the 4Wd system. the Gallardo would be a lot faster with RWD.
in fact the Gallardo lost to almost every race that day

BTW there will come about 30 other racevideos later.

[yg60m]

Very nice mate !! Thanks :D

[Shinigami]

LOL might have been the owner, not the car that was shabby :wink:
I would think so too... Isn't the Gallardo supposed to be a pretty easy car for 0-60 sprints of 4.3 seconds or less (even 4.0 if some publications are to be believed).

The M6 is quite a bit slower due to the weight.

But many factors come into play... type and condition of tyres, engine wear and tear, state of clutch, and of course, the launch technique *shrug*

[Jabba]

Well it was a rolling start so that rules out the launch issue, it does seem a very slow example though, maybe he left the air con running :lol:

[RC45]

Or wasn't at the right rpm... for the gear.. at 50kmh, shouldn't they have been in 1st gear for that roll on?

I do know that from a 50kmh roll an RT12 would pull 100 bus lenghts on the Lambo :P ;)

[Jabba]

Something sure is fishy with the whole thing, it could also be that its just not running right, if I was him I would see what that engine is actually outputting right away.

[Just_me]

Last year we raced a black Gallardo with a stock M5 E60, both equal fast and M6 is faster than M5 so its natural the M6 win against a Gallardo. Also notice we did rolling starts and not from standstill.

also I have some carmags figures to present and as you guys can see 0-200km/h times are similar

M6
Test in ams Jahrbuch 2006
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s

Supertest in sport auto 12/2005
0 - 200 km/h 12,8 s

Gallardo
Test in ams 23/2003
0 - 200 km/h 13,8 s

Supertest in sport auto 12/2003
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s

Test in Auto Bild Tuning 04/2004
0 - 200 km/h 13,8 s

Test in Auto Zeitung 08/2005
0 - 200 km/h 13,3 s


Nothing fishy at all, at higher speeds the M6 will walk a Gallardo, one of the reasons for that is AWD, that steal power in high speeds. So again I dont see the fishy thing.

[RC45]

^^ The point is that 0-xxxkmh is VASTLY different than "some speed from a roll"

I wish folks would realize this and take all these roll-on videos with the pinch of salt they should be :)

[Just_me]

^^ The point is that 0-xxxkmh is VASTLY different than "some speed from a roll"

I wish folks would realize this and take all these roll-on videos with the pinch of salt they should be :)

We had fun that day, both winners and loosers were happy. We just showing what happens in real life races. Doesnt matter how we test, rolling or standstill, there will always be people whining and finding excuses. Instead of all talk or reading carmags we have it on videos. It doesnt get better than that.

I also have a video of a brand new RS4 racing a M5 E39 with 420hp, both from rolling and standstill, guess who wins ;)
Also me and Congaman racing a F430, Z06 didnt loose a single race and he met all cars there except for GT2 and 993 Turbo RUF.

I also have a 997 Turbo vs M6 and Z06 vs M5 Kellener video.

[Jabba]

at higher speeds the M6 will walk a Gallardo, one of the reasons for that is AWD, that steal power in high speeds. So again I dont see the fishy thing.

How can an M6 "walk a Gallardo" at higher speeds when it is limited to 155 MPH ?

[Ghostbat]

at higher speeds the M6 will walk a Gallardo, one of the reasons for that is AWD, that steal power in high speeds. So again I dont see the fishy thing.

How can an M6 "walk a Gallardo" at higher speeds when it is limited to 155 MPH ?

You can get the the M6 without the restrictor and I think it will hit ~340km/h

Here's a couple of vids.

BMW M6 Autobahn 194 mph - YouTube

BMW M6 Highspeed - YouTube

http://www.autoclips.net/detail.php?id_video=4864

BTW I'm not sure about the Gallardos top speed but I don't think it can hit 340km/h. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Just_me]

at higher speeds the M6 will walk a Gallardo, one of the reasons for that is AWD, that steal power in high speeds. So again I dont see the fishy thing.

How can an M6 "walk a Gallardo" at higher speeds when it is limited to 155 MPH ?

higher speeds I mean around 170km/h or so. Either you guys are underestimating the M6 or overestimating the Gallardo. This isnt the first time I seen a Gallardo lose a race against a new M car.

Anyway I dont think its nessecary to convince you guys about these videos. Make your own desicions, but one advice, dont underestimate the M6. :)
Oh, this was the best day of my life I think 8)

BTW no car at the event reached 300km/h, most cars reached max 250-260km/h on the airfield.

[Jabba]

You can get the the M6 without the restrictor and I think it will hit ~340km/h



Then that would make it clearly "fishy" as I said.

[Jabba]

[higher speeds I mean around 170km/h or faster. .

Oh I didnt know that 100 mph was considered fast, and by "faster" I guess you mean a further 55 mph until the Gallardo will pass you.

[Just_me]

[higher speeds I mean around 170km/h or faster. .

Oh I didnt know that 100 mph was considered fast, and by "faster" I guess you mean a further 55 mph until the Gallardo will pass you.

whatever jabba. enjoy the videos instead. here is another for you :D

stock 997 turbo vs modified M5 by Kellener

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81381

[Jabba]

We should be able to return the favour shortly with some videos showing you what Lambos can really do, but I shall enjoy your ones in the mean time none the less :wink:

[Just_me]

We should be able to return the favour shortly with some videos showing you what Lambos can really do, but I shall enjoy your ones in the mean time none the less :wink:

Im sure there are videos were a M cars loosing to a Gallardo. You win some you lose some races. I had a blast thats the only thing that matters.
Im just here to make your life a little bit better ;)

[Jabba]

We should be able to return the favour shortly with some videos showing you what Lambos can really do, but I shall enjoy your ones in the mean time none the less :wink:

Im sure there are videos were a M cars loosing to a Gallardo. You win some you lose some races. I had a blast thats the only thing that matters.
Im just here to make your life a little bit better ;)

Yeh, well lets at least agree on that one then, and thanks for the videos.

[RC45]

Anyway I dont think its nessecary to convince you guys about these videos. Make your own desicions, but one advice, dont underestimate the M6. :)

The M6 is a quick car, no doubt about it... but heck, even my car rolls away from the stock M6 until around 160mph... oh yeah - my bad, the M6 stops accellerating at 155... ;)

[Bernardo]

You said that the Z06 didnt loose any race, you mean that it won with the F430? thats hard to belive.

[novass]

You said that the Z06 didnt loose any race, you mean that it won with the F430? thats hard to belive.

Not hard to believe at all. The Z06 has a better power to weight ratio.

[RC45]

You said that the Z06 didnt loose any race, you mean that it won with the F430? thats hard to belive.

Not hard to believe at all. The Z06 has a better power to weight ratio.

Doesnt the F430 weigh more and make less power? ;)

[twboy1999]

not surprise by the result with the gallardo

the pre 06 gallardo are not that fast

but se and 06+ is a diffenent story.. different gearing and 20hp.



m5/m6 have 2 speed limiter i think.. one is around 270km and 300km can be unlock by the dealer in the europe i thik

for sure m5/m6 stock limiter is not 155mhp,,, i know, cuz i been in one high speed then 155mph

[tforth]

Their was a clip posted a while back where a C6 Z-06 ran a Gallardo, and they were pretty close (albeit the Z-06 was slightly faster), so seeing that Z-06 killed the M6, I find surprising as well, that M6 won against the Gallardo.

Maybe audi isn't involved in the quality control / piece-to-piece variation of Lamborghini engines after all :wink:

[Just_me]

You said that the Z06 didnt loose any race, you mean that it won with the F430? thats hard to belive.

I have it on video and will post it when my damn camera is working again.

but yes the Z06 won with halft length ahead but the distance would be larger if the Vette owner didnt start in second gear.

[nickthaskater]

[higher speeds I mean around 170km/h or faster. .

Oh I didnt know that 100 mph was considered fast, and by "faster" I guess you mean a further 55 mph until the Gallardo will pass you.
You can get them derestricted, which lets them sail on to ~200mph

[RC45]

^^ so that measn they are no longer stock :P

[RC45]

You said that the Z06 didnt loose any race, you mean that it won with the F430? thats hard to belive.

I have it on video and will post it when my damn camera is working again.

but yes the Z06 won with halft length ahead but the distance would be larger if the Vette owner didnt start in second gear.

2nd? For a roll from 50kmh???? He does know that 1st runs to over 120kmh right?

[Jabba]

for sure m5/m6 stock limiter is not 155mhp,,, i know, cuz i been in one high speed then 155mph

As I understand it benz, bmw and audi have all agreed to electronicaly limit their cars to 155 mph, although we all know that a few of them are prob good for 200 mph+.

[Just_me]

the limiter is 250km/h, for en extra cost the limit will be raised to 305km/h.

[Just_me]

You said that the Z06 didnt loose any race, you mean that it won with the F430? thats hard to belive.

I have it on video and will post it when my damn camera is working again.

but yes the Z06 won with halft length ahead but the distance would be larger if the Vette owner didnt start in second gear.

2nd? For a roll from 50kmh???? He does know that 1st runs to over 120kmh right?

yep, he realizes his mistake after some races. I know the race agaisnt M6 and F430 was done in second gear.

[Jabba]

[higher speeds I mean around 170km/h or faster. .

Oh I didnt know that 100 mph was considered fast, and by "faster" I guess you mean a further 55 mph until the Gallardo will pass you.
You can get them derestricted, which lets them sail on to ~200mph

:roll: If you are going to make a post and avoid making yourself look like an idiot, then please read the whole thread first :roll:

[Shinigami]

The M6 has a low CoD, which helps it from losing speed when going past 100mph, but as far as I know, there isn't an M car which can outrun a Gallardo.

No understating or overstating going on, just what I've read and seen *shrug*

[Jabba]

No understating or overstating going on, just what I've read and seen *shrug*

When you say "seen" do you include the video that was posted my Just_Me, and if so, what are your comments on that then ?

[Kulstad]

Actually this BMW limiters aren't really on the 250kph mark anymore. The M6 cuts in at 270. I've also been a passenger in the new 330d and it also goes above 260 easily.

That tuned M5 is very impressive to keep up with the new Porsche Turbo, and it's still cheaper than the M6!

[Jabba]

Actually this BMW limiters aren't really on the 250kph mark anymore. The M6 cuts in at 270. I've also been a passenger in the new 330d and it also goes above 260 easily.

That tuned M5 is very impressive to keep up with the new Porsche Turbo, and it's still cheaper than the M6!

Is this officially stated by bmw anywhere or is it a dealer tweek ?

[Just_me]

Actually this BMW limiters aren't really on the 250kph mark anymore. The M6 cuts in at 270. I've also been a passenger in the new 330d and it also goes above 260 easily.

That tuned M5 is very impressive to keep up with the new Porsche Turbo, and it's still cheaper than the M6!

what you see on the speedo isnt the real or 100% accuratespeed

[Jabba]

Yep and here it is, right from the horses mouth.

http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications_technical_specs/0,4639,1156_149497823__bs-TQ%253D%253D%2540bb-TTZfQ1A%253D%2540bm-RUg5Mg%253D%253D,00.html

Top Speed 155 MPH.

[Just_me]

The M6 has a low CoD, which helps it from losing speed when going past 100mph, but as far as I know, there isn't an M car which can outrun a Gallardo.

No understating or overstating going on, just what I've read and seen *shrug*

how many M6 vs Gallardo videos have you seen?
I've seen a couple of M5 vs Gallardo videos but M6 videos are more rare. also M6 is a faster car than M5.

[Shinigami]

Depends what one defines as being fast... but the M6 is not that much faster then the M5. Just a tad, and even then, over long distances. It's still nearly two tons and dragstrip times are roughly the same as my much less power SLK's (i.e. about 12.7 seconds for the 1/4 mile with a trap speed of 112-114mph).

The Gallardo is definitely faster then my SLK, I know, since I've done a few sprints versus a friends Gallardo, and he could nudge away from me thanks to AWD and the extra power in a chassis roughly the same weight as mine.

I think it's "you" who's overstating the M6 ;)

[Kulstad]

But are you guys telling me there's a 10+ error in the speedometer? I find that hard to believe. I think the limiter from the factory doesn't come in at 155mph anymore, but a bit further. I was impressed with the diesel that goes past 260kph at 4100rpm and still had a bit more to give. This completelly stock.

[Just_me]

I think it's "you" who's overstating the M6 ;)

No Im not, I ve seen what is capable of. Im not one those reading only carmags

Im not saying M6 will vansh away from the M5, Im saying its faster, nothing else.

[Jabba]

But are you guys telling me there's a 10+ error in the speedometer? I find that hard to believe. I think the limiter from the factory doesn't come in at 155mph anymore, but a bit further. I was impressed with the diesel that goes past 260kph at 4100rpm and still had a bit more to give. This completelly stock.

OK I am going to email BMW now and tell them that they don't know how fast their car goes and to update their website with the correct speed.

[Shinigami]

So you're basing one days worth of airstrip driving as being enough proof that an M6 is quicker then a Gallardo then?

How come so many other media (even if it's carmags or forum discussion groups) have shown trap times for the Gallardo as being clearly faster then that of an M6? It's not because it's an M car that the M6 is "all that". Fast car for what it is, but I'm more likely to believe that the Gallardo was hampered by an incompetent driver, or poor conditions. We all know the hp markings on an engine are not the be it all indication of power, even there variations do abound, and an engine with just 1 or 2k miles on the clock has not reached full power contrary to something with much more then this.

For example, did the M6 have 20k miles on the clock? What about the Gallardo? What were the conditions of the tires on both cars? Who drove them, the same person each time? etc... etc...

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there are more then one indication that it shouldn't have. You get my gist?

[Just_me]

So you’re basing one days worth of airstrip driving as being enough proof that an M6 is quicker then a Gallardo then?

How come so many other media (even if it’s carmags or forum discussion groups) have shown trap times for the Gallardo as being clearly faster then that of an M6? It’s not because it’s an M car that the M6 is ”all that”. Fast car for what it is, but I’m more likely to believe that the Gallardo was hampered by an incompetent driver, or poor conditions. We all know the hp markings on an engine are not the be it all indication of power, even there variations do abound, and an engine with just 1 or 2k miles on the clock has not reached full power contrary to something with much more then this.

For example, did the M6 have 20k miles on the clock? What about the Gallardo? What were the conditions of the tires on both cars? Who drove them, the same person each time? etc... etc...

I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but there are more then one indication that it shouldn’t have. You get my gist?

See a couple of posts above. I stated some media figures and you see M6 and Gallardo are close up to 200km/h. The red M6 belong to BMW sweden with very few miles on it. This car is being shown on various autoshows in Sweden. The Gallardo had a lot more miles than the M6.
There will always be races were M6 lose to a Gallardo and vice verse. This time M6 was faster than the Gallardo and you better try to get over it ;) I promise you if you show me a M6 vs Gallardo video racing and the M6, lose, I wont whine. You simply win some and you lose some.
This is starting to look like those M vs AMG discussions. Its kinda boring and pointless.

here are some old videos:
M5 vs Gallardo
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8814065833562820484&q=m5board.com

M5 vs M6
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-997803908557772668&q=M6+vs+M5

BTW our races was more than 402 meters, in fact they was about 1.5 kilometers

[Shinigami]

There will always be races were M6 lose to a Gallardo and vice verse. This time M6 was faster than the Gallardo
That's what I was getting at. Of course a lot of things come to play, but in general (if we are to believe what we're told), the Gallardo should have more consistent wins over an M6 then vice versa, but it wasn't necessarily the case this time.

[twboy1999]

But are you guys telling me there's a 10+ error in the speedometer? I find that hard to believe. I think the limiter from the factory doesn't come in at 155mph anymore, but a bit further. I was impressed with the diesel that goes past 260kph at 4100rpm and still had a bit more to give. This completelly stock.

OK I am going to email BMW now and tell them that they don't know how fast their car goes and to update their website with the correct speed.


i am sure there is some speedo to actauly speed difference, but i don think it will be as much as 10%

[coombsie66]

But are you guys telling me there's a 10+ error in the speedometer? I find that hard to believe. I think the limiter from the factory doesn't come in at 155mph anymore, but a bit further. I was impressed with the diesel that goes past 260kph at 4100rpm and still had a bit more to give. This completelly stock.

OK I am going to email BMW now and tell them that they don't know how fast their car goes and to update their website with the correct speed.

You might have to, unless the margin of error in a tom tom Navigation system AND a snooper is similar (within 2-3mph) of a BMW M3 and M5 speedo... :wink: 8)

[Jabba]

But are you guys telling me there's a 10+ error in the speedometer? I find that hard to believe. I think the limiter from the factory doesn't come in at 155mph anymore, but a bit further. I was impressed with the diesel that goes past 260kph at 4100rpm and still had a bit more to give. This completelly stock.

OK I am going to email BMW now and tell them that they don't know how fast their car goes and to update their website with the correct speed.

You might have to, unless the margin of error in a tom tom Navigation system AND a snooper is similar (within 2-3mph) of a BMW M3 and M5 speedo... :wink: 8)

Done, although I wouldnt hold ya breath for them to update the official stock speed of the M6 on their website :wink:

[Shinigami]

Many of the german automakers are abandoning the "gentlemans" agreement. MB has decided to offer their cars with a possibility to remove the restrictor altogether, or move it to 280/300kph.

I've heard rumors the new M5 and M6, as well as some AMG models occasionally have the restrictor completely removed from the factory (nobody quite knows why). One guy with an SLK 32 AMG (this is a car from 2001) was able to go 280kph before the restrictor kicked in, and he bought the car stock from his dealer.

I wouldn't look too much in to it. In 99% of all cases, you'll never drive that fast unless you take the autoroute in Germany every day ;)

[nickthaskater]

[higher speeds I mean around 170km/h or faster. .

Oh I didnt know that 100 mph was considered fast, and by "faster" I guess you mean a further 55 mph until the Gallardo will pass you.
You can get them derestricted, which lets them sail on to ~200mph

:roll: If you are going to make a post and avoid making yourself look like an idiot, then please read the whole thread first :roll:
How does that make me look like an idiot? There are dealers that will do it upon delivery, which in my eyes is no less stock than getting a cupholder installed at the dealer.

[coombsie66]

But are you guys telling me there's a 10+ error in the speedometer? I find that hard to believe. I think the limiter from the factory doesn't come in at 155mph anymore, but a bit further. I was impressed with the diesel that goes past 260kph at 4100rpm and still had a bit more to give. This completelly stock.

OK I am going to email BMW now and tell them that they don't know how fast their car goes and to update their website with the correct speed.

You might have to, unless the margin of error in a tom tom Navigation system AND a snooper is similar (within 2-3mph) of a BMW M3 and M5 speedo... :wink: 8)

Done, although I wouldnt hold ya breath for them to update the official stock speed of the M6 on their website :wink:

LOL :lol:

[LotusGT1]

It is kind of ackward to keep focussing on the 155mph limited topspeed mark when indeed you can get the speedlimiter removed by the factory. It's about as "modified" as ordering a factory Z51 Performance package on a Corvette. That's not fishy or anything.

Furthermore this whole limiting crap is BS anyway. :P

About M5/M6 vs. Gallardo - see this EVO test.
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33660

M5 is not far behind, so I could imagine a M6 being faster than a Gallardo, but the BMW will need a better driver :) They seem about equal in terms of straightline speed, with a small edge for the Lambo.

Anyway, who cares? Different cars giving different sensations for different prices.

[Just_me]

my first personal movie :)

Z06 vs F430

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4422552883516340071

[Jabba]

How does that make me look like an idiot?


Because Ghostbat already mentioned it on page one.

You have been warned before about not reading threads properly before commenting, and if it continues, then your option to post will be suspended.

[Jabba]

It is kind of ackward to keep focussing on the 155mph limited topspeed mark when indeed you can get the speedlimiter removed by the factory. It's about as "modified" as ordering a factory Z51 Performance package on a Corvette. That's not fishy or anything.

Furthermore this whole limiting crap is BS anyway. :P

About M5/M6 vs. Gallardo - see this EVO test.
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33660

M5 is not far behind, so I could imagine a M6 being faster than a Gallardo, but the BMW will need a better driver :) They seem about equal in terms of straightline speed, with a small edge for the Lambo.

Anyway, who cares? Different cars giving different sensations for different prices.

I don't know how motor insurance works on your planet, but here removing something that allows your car to do 200 mph instead of 155 mph makes it invalid or at least would double the premium. A cup holder however I agree would make little difference to the description of a car being classed as un-modified.

[Jabba]

How does that make me look like an idiot?


Because Ghostbat already mentioned it on page one.

You have been warned before about not reading threads properly before commenting, and if it continues, then your option to post will be suspended.

Sending me rude messages isnt going to help you either, you asked for it, so you are now :

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